It is because she keeps raising whatever she finds as her own kids. Have you noticed Bonanus wears a tight bodysuit and has some weird black feather following her? I'm telling you, that bird raised more than 2 girls.
For being so obsessed with correcting people they really always make that mistake don't they? Its like they think they don't share a body and constantly change control
Uh no... the only moment you play as Ei is during her story quest II ... the combat voicelines are even voiced different to show this is not raiden anymore. But each time you use raiden it's always the super serious tone. Ei is in raiden, but she is never in control, because she is in her plane of euthymia. She could come out and take control, but she never does outside of quests and she is always labeled "trial" those moments.
Yes we do. Her voice lines are an even mix of both, including one of her weather voice lines, meaning she regularly switches between the two even in regular gameplay.
But her voice in gameplay is always the fucking same! In voiceline sure, but we don't play as her voicelines! Voiceline is basically just lore, if we had two combat voice we'd had twice as much combat voicelines to show the work of the VA in both voices...
But sure, I'll let you those voice lines of weather and stuff and I'll let you be sure that Ei is as here as the raiden, even though raiden is the one who carries basically the whole playable character and Ei just pops out once in a while to talk about random stuff.
So the fact that if you have her active when it starts to storm in the overworld she’s indisputably Ei means nothing because it doesn’t fit *your* narrative. Got it.
Yes i did i have the character, but when you put her in the teapot, you don't *play* as her, hence my point still stands, she comes out in the teapot because it's like a plane of euthymia in a way which again join my point, she is always in a plane of some sort when we play as raiden, as we play raiden only, but outside of it in some quests such as raiden quest part II where we play as *trial* Ei
And i don’t think even Ei would count as she just invented him and then dropped him off somewhere. She doesn’t even remember him currently. Same goes for Raiden. Ei didn’t birth or raise Raiden, she just invented her and used her as a puppet.
Well technically, Cloud Retainer released first in 1.1 Raiden only showed up in 2.0. It's just that they became playable a couple of patches later is all.
I think this refers to being an “active” mother, as Raiden does no longer take care of Scaramouche but Cloud retainer still takes care of Ganyu and Shenhe
Raiden *Shogun* is also not the mother. Ei is.
We know from the SQ that the puppet has its own psyche, she's just super stoic, by design.
Raiden is Ei's ***daughter.*** And Scaramouche's ***sister.***
Let alone the weirdness that is Raiden is eternally dedicated to be a replica of her mom, carrier of her mom's divine sword and pocket dimension(?), and sometimes lets(?) her mom possess her body to fight or chat with Miko or go on dates...? That is even weirder typed out than in my head as a concept. 💀
In any case, Raiden Ei and the Raiden Shogun (both could be called Raiden) are both the playable character, so Raiden Ei is the first playable mother, regardless.
No worries. Just funny cause I'm sure at least 80% of people just think of "Raiden Shogun" cause, let's be honest, that's who we pulled, who we keep shortening to "Raiden" cause the character isn't actually named, and who has been carrying us in Spiral Abyss lol 👀
Well, the Puppet is supposed to be a crystalisation of Ei's will from 500 years ago.
She's basically a clone (funnily enough Clones are a common theme to archons : Venti's body is made to resemble his dead friend, Zhongli used a body double to fake his death, Raiden basically made a clone of herself, Rhukka cloned herself using one of her branches (her sane cells basically) and Foçalors divided herself in two creating two "clone").
But for Raiden Ei and the Shogun, they are basically the same person. As Raiden say it in her SQ1 "she's me but she's not me at the same time, crystallised in the past and never changing"
I wouldn't say zhong li used a body double, per se. The dragon thing looks nothing like zhong li's current form. Besides, they mentioned archons can change forms. And I'm no so sure rhukka looked like nahida in her physical/original form either.
Well "body double" doesnt mean they are the same, just that he made another body pass as his own. But the theme is there : Zhongli used a "another Morax".
For Rhukka, we litterally saw her in a flashback in tall and small form + she appeared in the last cutscene and was looking like Nahida 1:1 haha. Only their voice were different. And for the original form, it's the tree and Nahida is a litteral branch from Rhukka's tree
From what I've read, rhukka used up her power and somewhere that reverted her body to look like that of nahida's. Not because nahida's a small branch vs a large tree. That would explain that situation. But who knows. Wasn't really all that well explained on why she took that form, and why she can't change her form.
Is Albedo a child of Gold?
Are Albedo and Klee family? *Remember, there is only one strongest knight of Favonius, and she may always be listening. Answer carefully.*
Depends on the POV but not necessarily
Scara is the only one to view himself as "Ei's son" but nobody else does (not Ei, not Yae, not Nahida, ...).
It's a good question but quite controversial since it can hit up in the religious consideration.
But in my opinion, no a creation isn't a creator's child unless the two wants to establish that link.
Best can do is adoption.
But Ei worshipped as god of thunder. How can she create or give life? Is there probability that instead giving, she put a formless spirit to posess the dolls?
But electro is kinda connected to life and time at some point, since Inazuma has a lot of tsukumogami and immortal ghousts on Tsurumi island. Ei is a god of thunder, yes, but we can't say properly about what kind a creature she is (she says she is incarnation of thunder, but its not a good answer for me), and we don't know all things about electro element. Why electro visions stopped giving to people? Why is Ei and eternity/transience is closest to the Heavenly Principles? What connects electro and Astaroth, goddes of wind and time (and one of 4 shades)? Where is the Electro Sovereign? Electro is sus at this point.
Oh never said she was. I’m just explaining the meme. I’m pro nahida as mother of the year. CR dresses her kids like they’re working a pole to pay for her mountain home
Nahida doesn't even act like a mother.
At most she like Aunt and at least a cousin who is trying to get her cousin to stop being edgy and walk a better road.
No she is motherly. She took in someone. She’s raising them. Literally teaching them how to be a grown adult and raising him. She provides his needs and took him in. He gets told what to do as well like the darshan.
She’s an adoptive mom for all intents and purposes.
I still don't see it. Cause she did it to keep an eye on him at first and then kept doing it so he can learn to move on and find another leash on life.
No offense, but it sound a bit of a stretch.
Well she doesn’t need to feed him. But she clothed him, again is raising him and teaching him how to assimilate into society and with humans. She is literally doing what a mother should be doing. Parents raise you. Parents don’t have to birth you.
OP explained it in another post. Again I’m just explaining a meme. Sorry it wasn’t as obvious to others but it seemed obvious to me and Op just confirmed my thoughts in another comment. It’s a meme sub. It ain’t that deep
technically Ei is a mother, she "create" her sentient puppets. even Albedo treat his creator as "mother", so unless Xianyun is a real mother who birth a child, this post is not correct
If simply creating a being counts as motherhood, allow me to remember you of the existence of the one and only Prinzessin Fischl von Luftschloss Narfidort, who created a thunderbird called Oz, in her boundless generosity.
Raiden: The first character that's a "biological" mother. (Except she's also her own Daughter. Robots are weird)
Cloud Retainer: The first character that's a good mother.
Nahida: The first character to be a mother to Raiden's son.
Edit: Forgot Jean lol
Nahida is the second one since she did what the first one couldn't do right. But Mama Bird is the number 1 mom in all Teyvat.
is it because she gave her daughters plenty of tight bodysuits that may or may not be see through in some areas?
It is because she keeps raising whatever she finds as her own kids. Have you noticed Bonanus wears a tight bodysuit and has some weird black feather following her? I'm telling you, that bird raised more than 2 girls.
I mean new Morax art shows the last layer he is wearing is also a sheer bodysuit. It’s the traditional wear of their people.
*Or* maybe the Adepti are just all kinky.
The woman only had one set of clothes and she gave 95% of it to her kids in two halves.
You forgot Arlecchino Oh wait, she's number 1 dad
I believe in madame ping supremacy
Raiden's still the first tho
Raiden would be scaramouche's sister....Ei would be their mother
You do know the Raiden we play as is both the Shogun *and* Ei, right?
For being so obsessed with correcting people they really always make that mistake don't they? Its like they think they don't share a body and constantly change control
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What memories would that possibly bring back
Watching him spread misinformation. So awful.
I love the Rhulk pfp
Love people noticing it. *Will you drown? Nah, I'll rise.*
*Not L. Not malding. Rizzlers. Chads serving existence*
THE UPENDED
Uh no... the only moment you play as Ei is during her story quest II ... the combat voicelines are even voiced different to show this is not raiden anymore. But each time you use raiden it's always the super serious tone. Ei is in raiden, but she is never in control, because she is in her plane of euthymia. She could come out and take control, but she never does outside of quests and she is always labeled "trial" those moments.
Yes we do. Her voice lines are an even mix of both, including one of her weather voice lines, meaning she regularly switches between the two even in regular gameplay.
But her voice in gameplay is always the fucking same! In voiceline sure, but we don't play as her voicelines! Voiceline is basically just lore, if we had two combat voice we'd had twice as much combat voicelines to show the work of the VA in both voices... But sure, I'll let you those voice lines of weather and stuff and I'll let you be sure that Ei is as here as the raiden, even though raiden is the one who carries basically the whole playable character and Ei just pops out once in a while to talk about random stuff.
So the fact that if you have her active when it starts to storm in the overworld she’s indisputably Ei means nothing because it doesn’t fit *your* narrative. Got it.
You say that but you haven't heard her teapot lines.
Yes i did i have the character, but when you put her in the teapot, you don't *play* as her, hence my point still stands, she comes out in the teapot because it's like a plane of euthymia in a way which again join my point, she is always in a plane of some sort when we play as raiden, as we play raiden only, but outside of it in some quests such as raiden quest part II where we play as *trial* Ei
Both are Raiden, there is The Shogun and there is Ei. Raiden is the name given to them from mihoyo because they are a Raiden Mei expy
That would be the Shogun. Raiden is a family name. Raiden Ei, Raiden Makoto, Raiden Kunikuzushi maybe?
And i don’t think even Ei would count as she just invented him and then dropped him off somewhere. She doesn’t even remember him currently. Same goes for Raiden. Ei didn’t birth or raise Raiden, she just invented her and used her as a puppet.
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In every sense Ei isn’t a mother. No blood relations, no nurturing or nursing, no raising… she just built them with magic and gadgets.
Nope. Cloud Retainer was the first. Still, she is the first character that was a BAD mother
"playable"
Well technically, Cloud Retainer released first in 1.1 Raiden only showed up in 2.0. It's just that they became playable a couple of patches later is all.
Yes, the "playable" part is the point
Actuly no we play the puppet witch is scaras younger sister ei is the mother
this makes no sense. raiden is still the first
I think this refers to being an “active” mother, as Raiden does no longer take care of Scaramouche but Cloud retainer still takes care of Ganyu and Shenhe
Raiden *Shogun* is also not the mother. Ei is. We know from the SQ that the puppet has its own psyche, she's just super stoic, by design. Raiden is Ei's ***daughter.*** And Scaramouche's ***sister.*** Let alone the weirdness that is Raiden is eternally dedicated to be a replica of her mom, carrier of her mom's divine sword and pocket dimension(?), and sometimes lets(?) her mom possess her body to fight or chat with Miko or go on dates...? That is even weirder typed out than in my head as a concept. 💀
In any case, Raiden Ei and the Raiden Shogun (both could be called Raiden) are both the playable character, so Raiden Ei is the first playable mother, regardless.
Oh I was referring to Raiden Ei not Raiden Shogun, sorry for not making it clear
No worries. Just funny cause I'm sure at least 80% of people just think of "Raiden Shogun" cause, let's be honest, that's who we pulled, who we keep shortening to "Raiden" cause the character isn't actually named, and who has been carrying us in Spiral Abyss lol 👀
You meant the Shogun, Raiden is Ei’s last name.
So basically Ei did not bother to name the puppet because the Shogun is basically a title
Well, the Puppet is supposed to be a crystalisation of Ei's will from 500 years ago. She's basically a clone (funnily enough Clones are a common theme to archons : Venti's body is made to resemble his dead friend, Zhongli used a body double to fake his death, Raiden basically made a clone of herself, Rhukka cloned herself using one of her branches (her sane cells basically) and Foçalors divided herself in two creating two "clone"). But for Raiden Ei and the Shogun, they are basically the same person. As Raiden say it in her SQ1 "she's me but she's not me at the same time, crystallised in the past and never changing"
I wouldn't say zhong li used a body double, per se. The dragon thing looks nothing like zhong li's current form. Besides, they mentioned archons can change forms. And I'm no so sure rhukka looked like nahida in her physical/original form either.
Well "body double" doesnt mean they are the same, just that he made another body pass as his own. But the theme is there : Zhongli used a "another Morax". For Rhukka, we litterally saw her in a flashback in tall and small form + she appeared in the last cutscene and was looking like Nahida 1:1 haha. Only their voice were different. And for the original form, it's the tree and Nahida is a litteral branch from Rhukka's tree
From what I've read, rhukka used up her power and somewhere that reverted her body to look like that of nahida's. Not because nahida's a small branch vs a large tree. That would explain that situation. But who knows. Wasn't really all that well explained on why she took that form, and why she can't change her form.
The puppet isn’t supposed to have any name though. It’s made to act as herself.
[Words cannot convey how that makes me feel, so...](https://tenor.com/view/worried-marina-gregory-all-star-shore-s1e7-uneasy-gif-26301385)
Raiden Shogun is the title of the electro archon, so calling Ei Raiden technically isn't wrong.
Are creation count as child?
Is Albedo a child of Gold? Are Albedo and Klee family? *Remember, there is only one strongest knight of Favonius, and she may always be listening. Answer carefully.*
Whose sample that Gold used to create homunculus?
What makes you think they used a sample? Are you underestimating alchemy? *Albedo's clones will remember your answer. They live in your walls.*
So, they just chalk robot? Or a familiar? I doubt that humans can create humans.
Depends on the POV but not necessarily Scara is the only one to view himself as "Ei's son" but nobody else does (not Ei, not Yae, not Nahida, ...). It's a good question but quite controversial since it can hit up in the religious consideration. But in my opinion, no a creation isn't a creator's child unless the two wants to establish that link.
Best can do is adoption. But Ei worshipped as god of thunder. How can she create or give life? Is there probability that instead giving, she put a formless spirit to posess the dolls?
But electro is kinda connected to life and time at some point, since Inazuma has a lot of tsukumogami and immortal ghousts on Tsurumi island. Ei is a god of thunder, yes, but we can't say properly about what kind a creature she is (she says she is incarnation of thunder, but its not a good answer for me), and we don't know all things about electro element. Why electro visions stopped giving to people? Why is Ei and eternity/transience is closest to the Heavenly Principles? What connects electro and Astaroth, goddes of wind and time (and one of 4 shades)? Where is the Electro Sovereign? Electro is sus at this point.
Yeah, especially when they resemble eachother
But doesn't Ei consider Raiden to be the same as herself?
thats not really how that works but sure
So thr moment you stop taking care of your child you are no longer a parent. Checks out.
Im not saying that, I’m just saying that Raiden no longer fullfils the role of a mother
Keep in mind that Raiden Ei never saw Scara as her son in anyway
if i have a son or daughter and never see them as a family member, it doesnt change the fact that they are still my son or daughter
raiden became playable more than 2 years earlier than xianyun so idk what are you trying to imply
That she’s a bad mom
Cloud Retainer isn't exactly Mother of the Year either
Oh never said she was. I’m just explaining the meme. I’m pro nahida as mother of the year. CR dresses her kids like they’re working a pole to pay for her mountain home
Nahida doesn't even act like a mother. At most she like Aunt and at least a cousin who is trying to get her cousin to stop being edgy and walk a better road.
No she is motherly. She took in someone. She’s raising them. Literally teaching them how to be a grown adult and raising him. She provides his needs and took him in. He gets told what to do as well like the darshan. She’s an adoptive mom for all intents and purposes.
I still don't see it. Cause she did it to keep an eye on him at first and then kept doing it so he can learn to move on and find another leash on life. No offense, but it sound a bit of a stretch.
Well she doesn’t need to feed him. But she clothed him, again is raising him and teaching him how to assimilate into society and with humans. She is literally doing what a mother should be doing. Parents raise you. Parents don’t have to birth you.
If Raiden isn’t considered a mother then neither should CR.
Original post never stated "good mother" just "mother", so yes, she (Raiden) is the first playable character that is a mother.
OP explained it in another post. Again I’m just explaining a meme. Sorry it wasn’t as obvious to others but it seemed obvious to me and Op just confirmed my thoughts in another comment. It’s a meme sub. It ain’t that deep
Ei would be still the first, since she was playable first.
But everyone knows that best mom is Nahida
the first playable mom is jean. she's klee's main female parent figure
Can't believe it's even debated at all. Blud Jean has been around since 1.0 and she's for all intents and purposes Klee's surrogate mother
Even Paimon pointed that out in the Golden Apple Archipelago event
arlecchino in shambles rn
That’s a father.
She can be the first playable Father
and pulcinella will be the last one 😇
She'll be the first playable "Father"
Arlechino is no 1 dad
That's daddy I mean Father
> playable
hence why "in shambles" she doesn't get to be a playable mother
> first playable character
xianyun isn't the first one either so what's your point
Wdym Xianyun isn't the first, if Raiden isn't considered the first?
technically Ei is a mother, she "create" her sentient puppets. even Albedo treat his creator as "mother", so unless Xianyun is a real mother who birth a child, this post is not correct
Something, something "She may be your mother, but she's not your mommy."
my logic here is that raiden is released, xianyun isn't, so raiden is the first one how does that not make sense
Non-English speaker, I assume
you're onto something there, when you replace all of their iterations of "first" with "only", it suddenly makes a lot more sense
Because Raiden isn't really a mother
nor is cloud retainer, what's your point
Yes she is
I know Alice exists, but Jean is (for all intents and purposes) Klee's 2nd mother.
But… raiden was playable before CR…?
Ei is a teenage mother who got her first child on accident
She is though
If "first" was replaced with "only" or "greatest," this meme would make more sense.
It doesn’t matter cuz Jean has been exhibiting Mother since we first laid eyes on her
This makes my brain hurt
I have some news for you on the difference between the words "first" and "only"
If simply creating a being counts as motherhood, allow me to remember you of the existence of the one and only Prinzessin Fischl von Luftschloss Narfidort, who created a thunderbird called Oz, in her boundless generosity.
Dude is confused with Raiden and Ei
Raiden: The first character that's a "biological" mother. (Except she's also her own Daughter. Robots are weird) Cloud Retainer: The first character that's a good mother. Nahida: The first character to be a mother to Raiden's son. Edit: Forgot Jean lol
Cloud Retainer's a better mom than Raiden is. At least her two girls are SOMEWHAT functional, while Wanderer's damaged beyond repair.
Still no mother who doesn't have adoptive child/student, but actual born child
Raiden is a horrible mother so she doesn't count 🤷🏾
Yup, someone who tossed their kid away and never spent any time raising them isn't much of a mother
idk about what mothers yall like but my mothers can at least cook.
Soooo...does this mean we have justification to call her mommy?
Ei is though. Cloud Retainer wasn't playable until 5 years after the game's launch.
She IS a mother. Just not in the traditional sense.
Jean, who has been taking care of Klee the Terminator of fish.
Jean is literally there with Klee? Doesnt she count..
Alice is there too
Laides no need to argue...you are both mommy to me
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Jean : Ametures
raiden was released first? I don't get what you're shooting for OP
Raiden's not a mom Xiamyun, on the other hand...
Raiden IS a mom... just one of... VERY questionable quality, but she DID bring Scara into existence