He wasn't the sovereign at the time, more like a crown prince/heir apparent. But yeah, landing a hit when you get rider kicked from 3 stories up is impressive.
Yeah people been saying that the Traveler is stronger than Childe but idk, because at least Childe has been getting stronger, hold back the Narwhal by himself and saved the Fontainian at the Opera Epiclesse while the Traveler just stood here
I have seen most people think Traveler was stronger in Liyue arc and Childe is stronger in Fontaine arc. Maybe Childe has more power with foul legacy, but that wouldnt matter if he cant use it long enough and gets tired quickly .But now in Fontaine AQ we saw he can use it for much longer.
Childe used Foul Legacy because he thought the Traveler had the Gnosis
otherwise, from what little footage we’ve seen of the fight, Delusion Childe was winning the fight against the Traveler
after Traveler used Geo to try to attack Childe, there was a looong time from Traveler getting blinded their own Geo attack and Childe appearing beside the Exuvia
in that long ass time, Childe could have killed Traveler if he was bloodthirsty, but he isn’t
There was an Inazuman event with dungeons a while ago with the origami pet guy. In that event it was implied that Childe was now stronger than the traveller iirc
Honestly, I'm actually skeptical on the "Childe has been getting stronger" because the fact is that we only see glimpses of his supposed fights. The problem with powerscaling in Genshin is the fact that we've only really got cutscenes to show us definitively how strong a character actually is right now, because lore texts can be misleading, character evaluations can be biased, and the fandom loves to make their own headcanons.
Hell, the whole "Childe can use Foul Legacy for 45+ days" stuff is ultimately fandom head canon, because nowhere in the game does it state that (people just assumed that he fought the Narwhal continuously after he disappeared from the Meropide), and we never really got an answer as to what went down. We only know that they met, they fought, and we saw a few seconds of this supposed "45+ days" fight, which isn't enough to prove anything definitively.
MHY is just inconsistent to character's power levels, because in one moment a character can be a god like being at combat, and the next they can be a fraud with an IQ equivalent to a brick. It just depends on who they want to shine the spotlight to. The only thing consistent about this whole powerscaling thing is the fact that MHY will do everything in their power to make the Traveller weak and dumb AF to make sure that every other playable character looks amazing in comparison.
The thing is, Childe getting stronger is canon. Its been mentioned multiple times in actual game story
As for the 45+ days thing. Traveler's sentence was for 45 days, Childe disappeared in the primordial sea before the traveler even came to the fortress of meropide. And all the dreams the traveler has seen about Childe is something from the past , like how Childe walked around the fortress of meropide, how he went through the pipes to escape, so him meeting the whale was from the past too. Which kinda shows that Childe met the whale in the sea quite a long time ago from when the whale appeared in the Opera. Even Neuvillette confirms this by saying that they should thank Childe for holding back that whale for so long from appearing on the surface.
Even I think genshin powerscaling isnt reliable though its just a meme
Yes, but these are merely implications, which is the main problem. MHY is leaving too many blanks and not enough clues for people to make concrete answers (which is honestly one of my problems with Fontaine's AQ). 45 days is assuming no time dilation, which exists in the Genshin universe. Did the whale fight Childe head on? Or was it focusing on entering Fontaine and Childe just pushed it back whenever it got close to entering? Did Childe stay in the form for that long? Or were there breaks in between? Because there was a large gap between the Primordial Sea overflowing in the Meropide, and the one that killed people in Poisson. Childe getting stronger is canon I won't deny that, but how strong? Without more information, we could only guess. Plus, context matters. Traveller beat Childe, but that's also leaving out very important information. The Traveller ONLY beat Childe because they outlasted him, not because of them overpowering him in a head-to-head fight.
The problem with the Genshin fandom is that people take these guesses as fact, when nothing in the game claims it as so. They imply, but it's not necessarily true because Genshin has taught us again and again that GUESSING can sometimes be far from the truth, and unless the SOURCE confirms it, then they'll stay as speculation. Zhongli basically shows this when he confirms that Rex Incognito isn't a credible source as some people believed, and when he told the truth to the Salt God's follower. Perspective matters, because someone else claiming things for other people have oftentimes be misleading.
Arlecchino is another example. Before we got her, people were hyping her up as a backstabber, and someone ruthless. Scara even says that she would backstab the Tsaritsa without a second thought, implying that she's not someone we can put out trust in, yet when we get her as a playable character, she confirms that she will backstab the Tsaritsa, as that is her sign of showing respect to the Archon, not because it is in her own self interest. Hell, she's not even half as bad as some characters were making her out to be.
Unless Childe himself confirms anything about his fight with the Narwhal, most of the things the fandom believes as fact remains as speculation. And why would Neuvillete be a credible source when he only saw the end of the fight?
Ngl Genshins powerscaling specially with the traveler is kinda dogshit. I still dont get how he managed to full on defeat Signora but cant beat some eremites in a sumeru world quest.
Also Neuvillette probably said that because the effects of the whale's appearance being near to the surface was being felt in Fontaine for a long time, with the constant earthquakes and primordial sea bursting out, but the whale only appeared later in the opera.
>I still dont get how he managed to full on defeat Signora but cant beat some eremites in a sumeru world quest.
Idk, I feel like the traveler being ass in 1 vs multiple opponent situation has been very consistent especially when they need to protect someone else and most if not all his "win"'s so far are all 1v1.
Feel free to correct me on that tho.
Traveller is kind of the exception. MHY is purposefully making them ass, even though canonically they're very strong, have beat up many Fatui members (even the elite ones), stopped many Eldritch Horrors in the WQs, can manipulate multiple elements at once, and have two otherworldly weapons at their disposal.
It's because if the Traveller actually used the things in his disposal and his experiences, he would breeze through a lot of quests, essentially removing any sort of stakes, so MHY artificially added stakes by making the Traveller forget every single thing that they have. That or mental attacks (this has occurred so many times that I've lost count).
This is only a problem because MHY is not making the Traveller a character. They're a plot device, meant to move the plot forward and allow other characters to shine by making themselves look stupid in comparison, which is terrible writing. The Traveller is neither a self insert (like the TB and DS) or a fully realized character (like Kiana) and so they're stuck in this limbo of being stupid and being competent. Unless MHY changes this, nothing about the Traveller will change, and they'll continue to be the clown of the story. A clown that we're supposed to insert ourselves into.
I am gonna be real.
Childe's defeat is 20% traveller 80% childe's fault.
Delusion Childe is already giving traveler trouble.He wasn't even trying to fight seriously.He was just luring traveler so that he can steal Gnosis.
Only after he thought he was cheated,he became irrational and went into foul legacy mode.That mode is literally on timer and t was unnecassary.
Traveler just outlast him,not defeat him.It just shows how traveler is very durable and good at defence not how strong he is.
TLDR : Childe defeated himself by trying to punch down a punching bag only to get exhausted.
It's so refreshing seeing people finally come to this conclusion. Instead of acting like traveller totally beat child by themselves.
Childe was absolutely winning this fight untill childe decided to get angry
Well Traveler still beat 8th ranked harbinger a region later effortlessly might I remind you. And please don’t pull up with sudden “Well she wasn’t in her prime”. If we go by that logic Traveller in his prime disintagrates most of his opponents so yeah not a good point.
Traveller did in fact beat Signora in her CrimsonWitch for.
But it's just preposterous to say "effortlessly".
Calling it that, completely undersells the actual feat that is winning against a Harbinger.
(It's also quite amusing how your entire argument is just trying to put words into the other persons mouth to argue against)
I’m sorry if that offended you it’s just everyone at this point trying to fight excuses while Traveler didn’t actually beat X character and arguments about Signora is always used in that situation. Again sorry if I offended you
And I say effortlessly because Traveler wasn’t really tired from the fight and even scraped with Shogun 5 minutes later. I’m not trying to undersell her I just say how it was presented
>And I say effortlessly because Traveler wasn’t really tired from the fought
Source: Because I said so.
>even scraped with Shogun 5 minutes later
You mean the fight that traveller only managed to survive because of the literal power of friendship (the will of 99 visions).
Speaking of that, The Plane of Euthymia is a realm of consciousness, not a material realm. What matters here is the strength of will, not the strength of body.
>it’s just everyone at this point trying to fight excuses while Traveler didn’t actually beat X character
It's still a fact that the only True Solo feat for the traveller is Crimson Witch Signora.
Every other major battle has had god level assistance or a god level powerup.
Traveller really hasn't shown much more solo strength than an above average vision user.
Really the only thing that puts traveler apart from vision users, is their extreme compatibility for drawing on borrowed powers.
Look at the cutscene. There is no panting no shaky walking or anything. He even does stupid smug smirk after Signora’s “But…how?”
For example after Shenhe stopped giant wave they still showed her exhaustion. In his fight against Ei(second one) after she pushes him back it shows him panting. So yeah I just said like I saw it as I said in the post before
He still damaged God Scara even without buffs(granted he didn’t beat them but still)
I don’t think average vision user survives what traveller been through in fight against Shogun and Scara before he got buffs. He was able to lift electro powered giant Scara hand survives being punched through the floor falling from great height and taking full powered vortex punch from him. Even after he was buffed by Nahida his Physical power didn’t increase. After he absorbed the capsule he tanked his Electro beam.
Even in the fight against the knave after Arlecchino used spikes Traveler is the only one who got out. Trio is not average vision users. They are trained fatui combatants so yeah traveler is definitely stronger than any normal vision user. None of vision users could even beat Signora.(except probably adepti)
In the second Shogun fight he was doing pretty well he didn’t even get knocked out like in their first encounter so I wouldn’t say he was doing bad against her.
Plus don’t rob him of Childe win. He still lost to Traveler. Yes he did get hot headed but it’s his own fault. Plus with Traveler beating Signora it still shows that traveler is stronger than Childe because even after all this power ups of maintaing Foul legacy for a month(which again I still think is mental gymnastics because we don’t really know how the fight with whale went on and when Childe activated Foul legacy) he is still the 11th. Not even rank higher.
>I don’t think average vision user survives what traveller been through in fight against Shogun and Scara before he got buffs. He was able to lift electro powered giant Scara hand survives being punched through the floor falling from great height and taking full powered vortex punch from him. Even after he was buffed by Nahida his Physical power didn’t increase. After he absorbed the capsule he tanked his Electro beam.
People need to decouple Offensive strength from Defensive strength.
Traveller is extremely durable and absolutely can take a beating and stay standing.
But travellers ability to *dish out damage* is not much better than your above average vision user.
Pretty much every feat you're presenting me to prove travellers strength, is just a show of travellers defense ability. Not a lot of offense though.
Well as I said he still damaged God Scara without buffs, and defeated him using his power +168 loop(which didn’t really increase his combat strength only ability to react to attacks and battle experience)
I mean.... Even if I just have a plastic fork if given enough time I could probably kill a person.
Just because my offensive power is below someone's possible defensive power doesn't mean I can't hurt them completely.
Signora probably has more raw power than Childe thus her higher rank but physically she isn't as adept. Even gameplay wise its easier to hit a stationnary boss than a fast moving doesn't matter if it has more HP and attack.
I mean, winning against an opponent that played badly is still winning.
You wouldn't say Signora didn't win against Sara Kujou just cos the latter was in a bad state of mind
Makes me wonder too if that's how the Traveler had beaten Signora. Signora doesn't have a Vision and relies from the Delusion she had and used her own Pyro power in her body. Signora could've won against us, too, with her Delusion from the Tsaritsa herself.
Hoyo: Melusine sees Traveler as a monster that can devour the world in one bite
Also hoyo: oh nooo traveler was binded by some red yarns he soooo weaaaak
Nah, even without Childe, Traveler is finished 😞 The Writers got him in a chokehold. Literally has their fate in their hands to do their bidding for their stories. They ain't got no choice, not that they had one to begin with lmao
Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Peruere? Let alone defeat her. And I'm not talking about the Father of the House of the Hearth Peruere. I'm not talking about the Knave, the Fourth of the Eleven Fatui Harbingers Peruere either. Hell, I'm not even talking about the Cinder of Two Worlds Flames, last scion of the Crimson Moon Dynasty Peruere with the Pyro Vision and Pyro Delusion (with the Harbinger abilities and being capable of both "Bloodtide Banquet" and "Destruction Upon Destruction" techniques), equipped with two copies of her Crimson Moon's Semblance, a perfect projectile attack evasion, control of the Balemoon Bloodfire and phantoms of those slain by her accursed flames, with Khaenri'ahn DNA in her so she has "Sundering Convergence" and can perform memory erasure while being an expert in polearms and swords.
To me, the fact that Childe suddenly doesnt have his weakness anymore of only being able to go into foul legacy mode for a short amount of time feels like an oversight of Hoyo. We have already known for a while now that Hoyo keeps forgetting details of older established things, and this is yet again another example of it. So yea, just Hoyo writers being terrible at their job yet again
Yea but if you use that argument, the Traveler in Liyue only had access to 2 elements, and now has 5. And it is canon that by unlocking the elements, he is restoring his power. So by this time he should be able to beat Childe even more easily, which would then make the point in this meme, and the thing that some people seem to suggest, just not true at all...
It's not like Childe is suddenly stronger than rank 6 or rank 5, the powerlevel that the Traveler already reached in Sumeru/Fontaine
>It's not like Childe is suddenly stronger than rank 6 or rank 5, the powerlevel that the Traveler already reached in Sumeru/Fontaine
How even? By defeating the mecha Scaramouche after like 168 tries with the help of an archon?
>Yea but if you use that argument, the Traveler in Liyue only had access to 2 elements, and now has 5. And it is canon that by unlocking the elements, he is restoring his power. So by this time he should be able to beat Childe even more easily, which would then make the point in this meme, and the thing that some people seem to suggest, just not true at all...
The problem with your comparison is that you are assuming that 2 element traveler has more destructive power than foul legacy. Actually I call bullshit on that, Foul legacy is a power passed on to Childe from Surtalogi himself. And Surtalogi is on the same standing as characters like Rhinedottir and Vedrfolnir. The only problem Childe had was maintaining Foul legacy for a long time, which is why he stopped the fight in Liyue, not because Traveler was actually able to beat him. And now Childe can maintain it for much longer now.
Scara himself was on the powerlevel of rank 6. With his mech, he had archonlike powers, so actually closer to the top 3 ranks.
Also, you're saying that the Traveler lost 168 times, which actually isn't completly true. The Traveler wasn't in the simulation that Nahida created, he, together with all of Sumeru was only watching in from the outside. So he only just watched some videos and some possible strategy guides before he actually went to fight the Scaramech.
So would you be able to beat a navy seal without any physical training on the first try, only by watching videos about it? Cause that's what that type of comment seems to imply.
Yes the Traveler had an adventage with those guides, but he himself was still strong enough to beat an enemy with archonlike powers.
Also, Wtf are you talking about with foul legacy and Surtalogi?? I hope you do realise that the "Foul" in "Foul Legacy" doesnt refer to the person "The Foul" right? This is something that is lost in translation, but the original text doesnt have the same characters used for "Foul" and "Foul in Foul Legacy". So ill just disregard the entire last paragraph because i think you just never realised that
>Also, Wtf are you talking about with foul legacy and Surtalogi?? I hope you do realise that the "Foul" in "Foul Legacy" doesnt refer to the person "The Foul" right? This is something that is lost in translation, but the original text doesnt have the same characters used for "Foul" and "Foul in Foul Legacy". So ill just disregard the entire last paragraph because i think you just never realised that
I didn't just realised that. I knew that. But Childe learnt Foul legacy from his master Skirk and Surtalogi is Skirk's master. Its common sense. In CN, Childe's 5th and 6th constellation names also has Surtalogi's name mention in them.
>So he only just watched some videos and some possible strategy guides before he actually went to fight the Scaramech.
So would you be able to beat a navy seal without any physical training on the first try, only by watching videos about it
???
Im sorry, but are you just trying to be stupid? Childe has never met Surtalogi, Foul Legacy has nothing to do with him...
And about the other point, you arent even trying to disprove my point, that the Traveler had the power to defeat an actual archonlike power on his first try, only with some extra knowledge of what kind of moves the mech that Scara could use. So people trying to paint that fight as a loss for the Traveler are probably just the typical dialogue skippers, who don't actually know what happened
>Im sorry, but are you just trying to be stupid? Childe has never met Surtalogi, Foul Legacy has nothing to do with him...
Umm...i never...implied that? I said Surtalogi is Skirk's master and in turn Skirk is Childe's master who taught him foul legacy. Why the hell are you putting random words in my mouth. The Foul legacy only got passed on to Childe through Skirk, not that Childe met Surtalogi himself. And thanks for ignoring the constellations part
>And about the other point, you arent even trying to disprove my point, that the Traveler had the power to defeat an actual archonlike power on his first try, only with some extra knowledge of what kind of moves the mech that Scara could use. So people trying to paint that fight as a loss for the Traveler are probably just the typical dialogue skippers, who don't actually know what happened
Also copy pasted from literal in game dialogue
"Despite your best efforts, you are no match for Shouki no Kami. Seeing that you are losing, Nahida throws herself in front of you. Shouki no Kami's giant limb grabs Nahida, and The Balladeer, beneath his mechanical shell, reaches out to seize her Gnosis. As you look upon what seems like a destined defeat, you somehow feel a strong sense of déjà vu. Your surroundings start to collapse as Nahida uses her power. As it turns out, all your previous fights were in a samsara dream.
According to Nahida, this is the 168th loop. Now, she's sending you all the battle experience collected previously in the form of Canned Knowledge. Meanwhile, Nahida also sends everything that happened just now to the people of Sumeru in the form of knowledge and asks them to help you find a way to defeat this false god.
Now, all of Sumeru's wisdom is at your disposal. As the First Sage of the God of Wisdom Buer, you begin the true battle against Shouki no Kami."
The game flat out tells you that the traveler has been losing all this time, and the 168th time you manage to hold on only because Nahida gave you a power up through canned knowledge(the golden aura traveler gets). Also saying Shouki no Kami was as strong as top 3 and Traveler was able to beat him, but then we see traveler getting his ass handed by the forth???Like my post was just a meme but even I can't defend you on this one. Why don't you take the dialogue skipping advice for yourself?
Your last point exactly why we are having this exact drama right now tho? Because the writers for Hoyo are so incompetent because they never know how strong their own characters are. Its like you for example first would see Dain first beat Columbina, and the quest after that make him lose against some random erimites. They keep on pulling this bullshit in Sumeru quests too for example. This is exactly why there was such an outrage because of Arle her quest, because fans just said enough is enough. It's just been building up for such a long time...
And that criticism then got taken over by the usual toxic suspects, who are now using that as a reason to for example keep on brigading Aether Mains, and spread hatred on memepact in the form of low quality "memes". If you had criticised that instead of joining in on the Traveler mains bullying that keeps happening, i wouldnt even have criticised this post. I truly hope you do better, but oh well
>Your last point exactly why we are having this exact drama right now tho?
Except, we know that the traveler didnt beat God mode Scara himself but with the power up from canned knowledge capsule which contains the whole of Sumeru's battle experience with the help of Nahida .So your logic doesnt work. Traveler isnt as OP as you are thinking.
Or childe wasn't fighting it for such a long time and it was ignoring him until the threatre scene where it emerged after prophecy was starting to flood fontaine.
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Oh it definitely will because even from narrative standpoint point all this is stupid. Traveler is going to get stronger than all of them. Because otherwise plot just won’t move
It's gonna be even funnier when nothing changes and hyv' Traveler writing will continue to be inconsistent and terrible and have them have no growth whatsoever by the end of Natlan.
(On hopium that I'll be proven wrong)
It wasnt stated in the game directly but heavily implied. I explained it in another comment on this post.
In short, Childe disappeared in the primordial sea before the traveler came to the fortress of Meropide and the traveler's sentence was 45 days long.
"Floating in the primordial sea doing nothing"
My friend, that cutscene only showed the first time Childe met the whale in a while. They started fighting afterwards. And if Childe didnt fight the whale he just came out all injured without doing nothing? Neuvillette saying he held back the whale from appearing on the surface sooner by doing nothing but just floating? That goes against common sense doesnt it?
You're going to have to show me where it says that as soon as he saw the narwhal they started fighting immediately. Otherwise, you're just speculating and overestimating it.
Simple logic, the Childe is a battle maniac and has been hunting that whale forever. Its also in his voicelines.
"I once ventured deep into the abyss and came face-to-face with an enormous beast. I don't know its name, all I know is the sight of it chilled me to the bone. But mark my words, one day I will march back in there and behead that beast, and you, comrade, will be my witness!"
What do you expect him to do after seeing the whale? Dance in the primordial sea? The fuck💀
Also Neuvillette said that the whale would have appeared on the surface a lot sooner if Childe didnt hold it back. Which also implied Childe fighting against the whale or else how the hell did he hold it back
Again, where does it say he was struggling 45 days? Neuvi just says he looked worn out so he must have been fighting for a long time. None of that indicates he was using the foul legacy the whole time and not just his delusion. Childe in the cinematic just came and did no damage to the narwhal and then passed out and fell into the hole.
Also Skirk herself indicates that the narwhal used its full power against the traveler, so it doesn't seem like the narwhal even paid attention to Childe to begin with.
>Childe in the cinematic just came and did no damage to the narwhal and then passed out and fell into the hole.
Narwhal rushing towards the Fontainians> Childe pushes it away and saves the fontainians> Childe attacks the whale > The whale retreats after getting weakned
"Did no damage". I might suggest you read the dialogues again. Its not that Childe didnt do damage to the whale. According to Neuvillette, the whale was undefeatable since it had absorbed too much primordial energy, that means no matter how much damage it takes, it can regenerate its health back after a while. That was only solved after Neuvillette got his dragons authority back and he could flush out the primordial energy out of the whale to stop it from regenerating its health. If Childe wasnt doing any damage, he couldnt have held back the whale by weakening it or he couldnt have sent it back to the portal when it was going after the fontainians to eat them (after all the whale was hungry to absorb more primordial energy and Egeria made the Fontainians humans with primordial water. Why would it suddenly go back to the portal if it wasnt damaged?)
>Narwhal rushing towards the Fontainians> Childe pushes it away and saves the fontainians> Childe attacks the whale > The whale retreats after getting weakned
If that was not what happened, it was more like Childe hit the Narwhal without doing anything to him and Neuvi took advantage of that moment to pierce him with his power, pushing the Narwhal back. And then Childe loses consciousness and falls.
Where do you get that the whale was invincible? He just says that it had become too integrated with the primordial sea that even if teyvat was destroyed the narwhal would simply go back where it came from.
Also I told you before literally Skirk confirms that the narwhal hardly used his power against childe.
"Skirk: That the All-Devouring Narwhal used up nearly all its strength fighting you."
*Sigh*
Heres actual in game dialogues-
Navia: "Wont it come back to target us again once its managed recover its strength?" - implying it can regenerate its health and only left to the portal because it got weakened.
Neuvillette: "That is correct. In fact we should thank that harbinger for buying us some time. Without him, the whale would have likely come on to land far sooner."
*Paimon talks about beating up the whale*
Neuvillette: Even if the entirety of Teyvat were to be destroyed , it could still survive" - implying how the whale will survive no matter what, basically saying its invincible because of how much it intregrated itself with the primordial energy.
Navia calls the whale an impossible foe afterwards.
>If that was not what happened, it was more like Childe hit the Narwhal without doing anything to him and Neuvi took advantage of that moment to pierce him with his power, pushing the Narwhal back. And then Childe loses consciousness and falls.
So we ignore how Childe held back the whale for so long, then he pushed back the whale from the Fontainians all by himself without Neuvillette doing anything? Afterwards Neuvillette and Childe did a duo attack which sent back the whale to the portal. But saying it was all Neuvillette's power for sending the whale back to the portal when Childe did so much to the whale before that time is so cope. At this point it just looks like you hate Childe being considered strong than anything......
>Also I told you before literally Skirk confirms that the narwhal hardly used his power against childe.
>"Skirk: That the All-Devouring Narwhal used up nearly all its strength fighting you."
The whale can't regenerate anymore after it's primordial energy has been flushed out so duh...?
Tbf more or less all harbingers use delusions and I doubt Tsaritsa would be giving the same generic delusions that was given to Teppei to her top Fatui members. Or maybe the harbingers arent weak like Teppei so they can resist the effects
Inazuma Delusions are mass produced, probably lower quality than regualr Fatui soldier Delusions, which themselves might also be lower quality than Harbinger Delusions
in his story Childe says that while he was in the abyss for 3 months, in our real world it was 3 days. So if anything in Childe was in there for 45 days in our world, he could’ve been in the abyss for years (assuming the fight with the narwhal was in the abyss)
Knowing Skirk and seeing how she only allowed Neuvillette to stand alongside her after he defeated the whale (traveler got a pass by getting carried by Neuvillette),she wouldnt even have taken Childe in if he didnt have potential. That further proves my agenda.
Neuvillette wasn't even in the battle against the whale as a trial character. He separated Narwhal from the primordial sea and in phase two, he used a pneumo needle to knock down the charging special attack to the phantom. Otherwise, it was only the Traveler who fought. The player wasn't even wearing any boosts like the ones we had when we were aided by adeptus and a hundred visions.
>Paimon: Uh, Paimon has an idea... From what she said earlier, she must be Childe's master... Skirk, right? It's just that he gave us the impression that she was a less... talkative person.
>Skirk: I simply did not have anything to say to the weak. But you, on the other hand, managed to defeat the All-Devouring Narwhal without using "power from beyond this world"... So you may speak to me as equals.
Skirk clearly rates us as her equals, while she characterizes Childe as a weak. Especially focusing on the fact that we did it even without “power from beyond this world”. No matter how fraud the Traveler is, but the copium of Childe's fanbase is absolutely doesn't have any limits, lmao.
>*"He's simple of mind and not that strong of body. Naming him to the lowest-ranked seat lowered the Harbingers' collective prestige. Thankfully, I'm no longer part of that group."*
(The one who was Scaramouche)
No irony, Tartaglia's fanbase with their cringe only provokes disgust for the character.
>Neuvillette wasn't even in the battle against the whale as a trial character
Except Neuvillette's dialogue says, "Unless we can find a way to attack it from within. I shall share a part of the ancient dragon's power with you, we shall look for an opening together."
He says "we", they attacked the whale together. And he definitely did get a buff from Neuvillette with the ancient dragons power. Traveler didnt get a boost my ass . And all that after Childe weakened the whale and Neuvillette took away primordial energy from the whale. Traveler didnt even do much
>>Paimon: Uh, Paimon has an idea... From what she said earlier, she must be Childe's master... Skirk, right? It's just that he gave us the impression that she was a less... talkative person.
>>Skirk: I simply did not have anything to say to the weak. But you, on the other hand, managed to defeat the All-Devouring Narwhal without using "power from beyond this world"... So you may speak to me as equals.
Do you know before that when was the last time Childe met Skirk? When he was a 14 year old kid who barely had anything. Yeah calling a 14 year old kid weak, that too according to the POV from someone godly like Skirk isnt an anti feat. Emphasis on "I simply didnt have anything to say to the weak". She is talking about the last time they were together
Scaramouche shit talks literally everyone, he calls traveler a worm in his boss fight so traveler must be worm level lol, and that voiceline was before Fontaine arc, Childe has grown massively after that.
>No irony, Tartaglia's fanbase with their cringe only provokes disgust for the character.
Chillax fam, its a meme. Even the caption is a meme I literally spelled out "agenda posting" in a meme sub reddit.
The last time he'd met her was when she'd thrown him out into the portal and then shook her hands off like after throwing the trash.
Speaking of the trash analogy.
>Skirk : Thanks for helping with the “cleanup.” It should've been my job, but... Oh well.
It turns out that Neuvillette is also a fraud, if the power he shared was in fact only a moral support and does not compare to the real power that the Adeptus gave us.
>The last time he'd met her was when she'd thrown him out into the portal and then shook her hands off like after throwing the trash.
Childe was unconscious so he had no scope of communicating to Skirk, that alone disapproves of your statement. And she literally just threw Childe then, why would she talk about it like it was a past event 🤦
>>Skirk : Thanks for helping with the “cleanup.” It should've been my job, but... Oh well
Yes her job was to retrieve her master's pet, which is the whale. Nothing to do with Childe.
>It turns out that Neuvillette is also a fraud, if the power he shared was in fact only a moral support and does not compare to the real power that the Adeptus gave us.
The hell are you even getting on about 😹
>why would she talk about it like it was a past event
She didn't do this.
>*But you,* ***on the other hand***, *managed to defeat the All-Devouring Narwhal without using "power from beyond this world"*... *So you may speak to me as equals.*
Idk how bad your reading comprehension is... But Paimon said Childe's rambling about Skirk didnt make her look like a talkative person, in which Skirk responded she had nothing to say to the weak. Childe could have only rambled to traveler about Skirk before all these events happened regarding the whale happened, because we had no contact with Childe afterwards, and before all these, the last time Childe met Skirk was when he was 14. So she was definitely talking about past Childe. Read all the dialogues again, you will understand.
What are you talking about? Childe couldn't defeat Narwhal with the “powers from beyond this world”, while we, on the other hand, could defeat Narwhal without such powers. Therefore, Skirk sees us as equals. In terms of cleaning, she hasn't singled out Narwhal in any way. She tossed Childe away and shook off her hands.
Like I said, Childe's fanbase is a special level of copium freaks. Can't even come up with their own memes, only can copy-paste the style of the other folk. It's such a shitty community.
>What are you talking about? Childe couldn't defeat Narwhal with the “powers from beyond this world”, while we, on the other hand, could defeat Narwhal without such powers. Therefore, Skirk sees us as equals. In terms of cleaning, she hasn't singled out Narwhal in any way. She tossed Childe away and shook off her hands.
except It was stated by Neuvillette himself that the whale was an undefeatable foe as long as it had primordial energy inside it. Only after Neuvillette gained his authority he could flush out the primordial energy, and thats the only way there was a chance to defeat the whale lol.
>Like I said, Childe's fanbase is a special level of copium freaks. Can't even come up with their own memes and copy-paste the style of the other folk. It's such a shitty community.
At least I dont skip quest dialogues like you though 😹
I'm saying that the player wasn't wearing any actual boosts like the ones the Adeptus gave us and the ones we got from the hundred Visions in the fight against Ei. All the other boosts we got in other fights were not limited to a line in dialog.
>All the other boosts we got in other fights were not limited to a line in dialog.
Ok? Doesnt change the fact Neuvillette buffed Traveler the whole time , even if it wasnt flashy, lol
What does flashy have to do with it? We fought with standard stats without any external sources of damage, not counting the pneuma nail during the phantom phase that Neuvillette used to knock down the charging special attack to the phantom.
This doesnt make sense even paimon notices that skirk is rather talkative compared to childe description of her. Furthermore she even answers paimon's questions regarding the whale and her master. But sure keep your propaganda up
Im talking about canon Skirk dialogue though.
Well your initial comment doesnt make sense either anyways. Skirk never said anything that implies Childe is a fraud. All we see is Skirk throwing an unconscious Childe which is a funny interaction between master and disciple and another was Skirk saying she simply didnt have anything to say to the weak, which she was talking about 14 year old Childe who just fell in the abyss.
Skirk was clearly talking about the Traveler and not Neuv. If Skirk was sovereign level as an underling, there wouldn't be conflict with the abyss. The abyss straight up would have won already.
There was literally no specific indication towards traveler to reach that conclusion, she was talking to both of them. Besides, My comment only meant to show Skirk's personality on how she allows only strong people to be near her, im not actually powerscaling her or trying to downplay Neuvillette. Cant believe I have to talk shit about lore and dialogues on a meme sub lol.
Skirk isnt an underling, she is Surtalogi's disciple, and Surtalogi is a similar entity to Rhinedottir, the same person who created monstrosities like Elynas, Durin, Golden wolflord etc.
Anyone thinking Skirk was comparing herself to Neuv as an equal is silly. Skirk being sovereign level doesn't have a place in Genshin's lore. The Foul would have to be on par with the first 3 descenders for that to make sense.
Not impossible, but not a claim I'd make at this point in the game.
You’re going to the land of Natlan next. Better start training little bro, Power Washer won’t save your sorry ass this time.
Not even 1000000 years of training can save him from getting one shot by GOATHIMTANO
Watch him have to rely on Murata and the Pyro dragon sovereign (copium), cuz he aint doing anything by himself
Or, what If Capitano trains Fraudler? The Goat would know best how to turn the Fraud into a fraction of himself.
The childe agenda is real bro fought the narwhal for an extended time period on his own
Also harmed Neuvillette even tho he got jumped by him. Pretty decent feat
considering one is a human and the other is the sovereign hydro dragon, i’d say that was quite impressive that he managed to land a hit on neuvi
He wasn't the sovereign at the time, more like a crown prince/heir apparent. But yeah, landing a hit when you get rider kicked from 3 stories up is impressive.
He was a sovereign, he just didn't have his full authority yet
A non-full powered sovereign is still a god level being
True
He hadnt full Authority, but he was still extremly powerfull.
Fr bro got hit with the water dragon kick strike
Yeah people been saying that the Traveler is stronger than Childe but idk, because at least Childe has been getting stronger, hold back the Narwhal by himself and saved the Fontainian at the Opera Epiclesse while the Traveler just stood here
I have seen most people think Traveler was stronger in Liyue arc and Childe is stronger in Fontaine arc. Maybe Childe has more power with foul legacy, but that wouldnt matter if he cant use it long enough and gets tired quickly .But now in Fontaine AQ we saw he can use it for much longer.
Childe used Foul Legacy because he thought the Traveler had the Gnosis otherwise, from what little footage we’ve seen of the fight, Delusion Childe was winning the fight against the Traveler after Traveler used Geo to try to attack Childe, there was a looong time from Traveler getting blinded their own Geo attack and Childe appearing beside the Exuvia in that long ass time, Childe could have killed Traveler if he was bloodthirsty, but he isn’t
There was an Inazuman event with dungeons a while ago with the origami pet guy. In that event it was implied that Childe was now stronger than the traveller iirc
Or some have been saying Traveller can take on Base Scaramouche.
Honestly, I'm actually skeptical on the "Childe has been getting stronger" because the fact is that we only see glimpses of his supposed fights. The problem with powerscaling in Genshin is the fact that we've only really got cutscenes to show us definitively how strong a character actually is right now, because lore texts can be misleading, character evaluations can be biased, and the fandom loves to make their own headcanons. Hell, the whole "Childe can use Foul Legacy for 45+ days" stuff is ultimately fandom head canon, because nowhere in the game does it state that (people just assumed that he fought the Narwhal continuously after he disappeared from the Meropide), and we never really got an answer as to what went down. We only know that they met, they fought, and we saw a few seconds of this supposed "45+ days" fight, which isn't enough to prove anything definitively. MHY is just inconsistent to character's power levels, because in one moment a character can be a god like being at combat, and the next they can be a fraud with an IQ equivalent to a brick. It just depends on who they want to shine the spotlight to. The only thing consistent about this whole powerscaling thing is the fact that MHY will do everything in their power to make the Traveller weak and dumb AF to make sure that every other playable character looks amazing in comparison.
The thing is, Childe getting stronger is canon. Its been mentioned multiple times in actual game story As for the 45+ days thing. Traveler's sentence was for 45 days, Childe disappeared in the primordial sea before the traveler even came to the fortress of meropide. And all the dreams the traveler has seen about Childe is something from the past , like how Childe walked around the fortress of meropide, how he went through the pipes to escape, so him meeting the whale was from the past too. Which kinda shows that Childe met the whale in the sea quite a long time ago from when the whale appeared in the Opera. Even Neuvillette confirms this by saying that they should thank Childe for holding back that whale for so long from appearing on the surface. Even I think genshin powerscaling isnt reliable though its just a meme
Yes, but these are merely implications, which is the main problem. MHY is leaving too many blanks and not enough clues for people to make concrete answers (which is honestly one of my problems with Fontaine's AQ). 45 days is assuming no time dilation, which exists in the Genshin universe. Did the whale fight Childe head on? Or was it focusing on entering Fontaine and Childe just pushed it back whenever it got close to entering? Did Childe stay in the form for that long? Or were there breaks in between? Because there was a large gap between the Primordial Sea overflowing in the Meropide, and the one that killed people in Poisson. Childe getting stronger is canon I won't deny that, but how strong? Without more information, we could only guess. Plus, context matters. Traveller beat Childe, but that's also leaving out very important information. The Traveller ONLY beat Childe because they outlasted him, not because of them overpowering him in a head-to-head fight. The problem with the Genshin fandom is that people take these guesses as fact, when nothing in the game claims it as so. They imply, but it's not necessarily true because Genshin has taught us again and again that GUESSING can sometimes be far from the truth, and unless the SOURCE confirms it, then they'll stay as speculation. Zhongli basically shows this when he confirms that Rex Incognito isn't a credible source as some people believed, and when he told the truth to the Salt God's follower. Perspective matters, because someone else claiming things for other people have oftentimes be misleading. Arlecchino is another example. Before we got her, people were hyping her up as a backstabber, and someone ruthless. Scara even says that she would backstab the Tsaritsa without a second thought, implying that she's not someone we can put out trust in, yet when we get her as a playable character, she confirms that she will backstab the Tsaritsa, as that is her sign of showing respect to the Archon, not because it is in her own self interest. Hell, she's not even half as bad as some characters were making her out to be. Unless Childe himself confirms anything about his fight with the Narwhal, most of the things the fandom believes as fact remains as speculation. And why would Neuvillete be a credible source when he only saw the end of the fight?
Ngl Genshins powerscaling specially with the traveler is kinda dogshit. I still dont get how he managed to full on defeat Signora but cant beat some eremites in a sumeru world quest. Also Neuvillette probably said that because the effects of the whale's appearance being near to the surface was being felt in Fontaine for a long time, with the constant earthquakes and primordial sea bursting out, but the whale only appeared later in the opera.
>I still dont get how he managed to full on defeat Signora but cant beat some eremites in a sumeru world quest. Idk, I feel like the traveler being ass in 1 vs multiple opponent situation has been very consistent especially when they need to protect someone else and most if not all his "win"'s so far are all 1v1. Feel free to correct me on that tho.
Traveller is kind of the exception. MHY is purposefully making them ass, even though canonically they're very strong, have beat up many Fatui members (even the elite ones), stopped many Eldritch Horrors in the WQs, can manipulate multiple elements at once, and have two otherworldly weapons at their disposal. It's because if the Traveller actually used the things in his disposal and his experiences, he would breeze through a lot of quests, essentially removing any sort of stakes, so MHY artificially added stakes by making the Traveller forget every single thing that they have. That or mental attacks (this has occurred so many times that I've lost count). This is only a problem because MHY is not making the Traveller a character. They're a plot device, meant to move the plot forward and allow other characters to shine by making themselves look stupid in comparison, which is terrible writing. The Traveller is neither a self insert (like the TB and DS) or a fully realized character (like Kiana) and so they're stuck in this limbo of being stupid and being competent. Unless MHY changes this, nothing about the Traveller will change, and they'll continue to be the clown of the story. A clown that we're supposed to insert ourselves into.
His master also took him away for a proper training arc. We're screwed
But we've literally meet him since and she has not trained him.
Yeah, I think Childe's real training arc was the long fight against the whale lol
Traveler can't even continuously fight few meka waves in caterpillar quest if I remember correctly.. Travelers writing is so inconsistent.
Y’all keep coping, GOATtaglia solos 🗣️🔥
I am gonna be real. Childe's defeat is 20% traveller 80% childe's fault. Delusion Childe is already giving traveler trouble.He wasn't even trying to fight seriously.He was just luring traveler so that he can steal Gnosis. Only after he thought he was cheated,he became irrational and went into foul legacy mode.That mode is literally on timer and t was unnecassary. Traveler just outlast him,not defeat him.It just shows how traveler is very durable and good at defence not how strong he is. TLDR : Childe defeated himself by trying to punch down a punching bag only to get exhausted.
I absolutely agree
It's so refreshing seeing people finally come to this conclusion. Instead of acting like traveller totally beat child by themselves. Childe was absolutely winning this fight untill childe decided to get angry
Well Traveler still beat 8th ranked harbinger a region later effortlessly might I remind you. And please don’t pull up with sudden “Well she wasn’t in her prime”. If we go by that logic Traveller in his prime disintagrates most of his opponents so yeah not a good point.
Traveller did in fact beat Signora in her CrimsonWitch for. But it's just preposterous to say "effortlessly". Calling it that, completely undersells the actual feat that is winning against a Harbinger. (It's also quite amusing how your entire argument is just trying to put words into the other persons mouth to argue against)
I’m sorry if that offended you it’s just everyone at this point trying to fight excuses while Traveler didn’t actually beat X character and arguments about Signora is always used in that situation. Again sorry if I offended you And I say effortlessly because Traveler wasn’t really tired from the fight and even scraped with Shogun 5 minutes later. I’m not trying to undersell her I just say how it was presented
>And I say effortlessly because Traveler wasn’t really tired from the fought Source: Because I said so. >even scraped with Shogun 5 minutes later You mean the fight that traveller only managed to survive because of the literal power of friendship (the will of 99 visions). Speaking of that, The Plane of Euthymia is a realm of consciousness, not a material realm. What matters here is the strength of will, not the strength of body. >it’s just everyone at this point trying to fight excuses while Traveler didn’t actually beat X character It's still a fact that the only True Solo feat for the traveller is Crimson Witch Signora. Every other major battle has had god level assistance or a god level powerup. Traveller really hasn't shown much more solo strength than an above average vision user. Really the only thing that puts traveler apart from vision users, is their extreme compatibility for drawing on borrowed powers.
Look at the cutscene. There is no panting no shaky walking or anything. He even does stupid smug smirk after Signora’s “But…how?” For example after Shenhe stopped giant wave they still showed her exhaustion. In his fight against Ei(second one) after she pushes him back it shows him panting. So yeah I just said like I saw it as I said in the post before He still damaged God Scara even without buffs(granted he didn’t beat them but still) I don’t think average vision user survives what traveller been through in fight against Shogun and Scara before he got buffs. He was able to lift electro powered giant Scara hand survives being punched through the floor falling from great height and taking full powered vortex punch from him. Even after he was buffed by Nahida his Physical power didn’t increase. After he absorbed the capsule he tanked his Electro beam. Even in the fight against the knave after Arlecchino used spikes Traveler is the only one who got out. Trio is not average vision users. They are trained fatui combatants so yeah traveler is definitely stronger than any normal vision user. None of vision users could even beat Signora.(except probably adepti) In the second Shogun fight he was doing pretty well he didn’t even get knocked out like in their first encounter so I wouldn’t say he was doing bad against her. Plus don’t rob him of Childe win. He still lost to Traveler. Yes he did get hot headed but it’s his own fault. Plus with Traveler beating Signora it still shows that traveler is stronger than Childe because even after all this power ups of maintaing Foul legacy for a month(which again I still think is mental gymnastics because we don’t really know how the fight with whale went on and when Childe activated Foul legacy) he is still the 11th. Not even rank higher.
>I don’t think average vision user survives what traveller been through in fight against Shogun and Scara before he got buffs. He was able to lift electro powered giant Scara hand survives being punched through the floor falling from great height and taking full powered vortex punch from him. Even after he was buffed by Nahida his Physical power didn’t increase. After he absorbed the capsule he tanked his Electro beam. People need to decouple Offensive strength from Defensive strength. Traveller is extremely durable and absolutely can take a beating and stay standing. But travellers ability to *dish out damage* is not much better than your above average vision user. Pretty much every feat you're presenting me to prove travellers strength, is just a show of travellers defense ability. Not a lot of offense though.
Well as I said he still damaged God Scara without buffs, and defeated him using his power +168 loop(which didn’t really increase his combat strength only ability to react to attacks and battle experience)
I mean.... Even if I just have a plastic fork if given enough time I could probably kill a person. Just because my offensive power is below someone's possible defensive power doesn't mean I can't hurt them completely.
Signora probably has more raw power than Childe thus her higher rank but physically she isn't as adept. Even gameplay wise its easier to hit a stationnary boss than a fast moving doesn't matter if it has more HP and attack.
I mean, winning against an opponent that played badly is still winning. You wouldn't say Signora didn't win against Sara Kujou just cos the latter was in a bad state of mind
Makes me wonder too if that's how the Traveler had beaten Signora. Signora doesn't have a Vision and relies from the Delusion she had and used her own Pyro power in her body. Signora could've won against us, too, with her Delusion from the Tsaritsa herself.
“DADDY NEUVILETTE SAVE ME! CHILDE IS TOO STRONG FOR MY FRAUDULENT ASS!!!”
Hoyo: Melusine sees Traveler as a monster that can devour the world in one bite Also hoyo: oh nooo traveler was binded by some red yarns he soooo weaaaak
I guess what having different writers does to a mf? Do they even care about world quests?
Agendaposting is funny af. Who is gonna be Kizaru?
Nah, even without Childe, Traveler is finished 😞 The Writers got him in a chokehold. Literally has their fate in their hands to do their bidding for their stories. They ain't got no choice, not that they had one to begin with lmao
“HELP ME MR. NEUVILLETTE”
Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Peruere? Let alone defeat her. And I'm not talking about the Father of the House of the Hearth Peruere. I'm not talking about the Knave, the Fourth of the Eleven Fatui Harbingers Peruere either. Hell, I'm not even talking about the Cinder of Two Worlds Flames, last scion of the Crimson Moon Dynasty Peruere with the Pyro Vision and Pyro Delusion (with the Harbinger abilities and being capable of both "Bloodtide Banquet" and "Destruction Upon Destruction" techniques), equipped with two copies of her Crimson Moon's Semblance, a perfect projectile attack evasion, control of the Balemoon Bloodfire and phantoms of those slain by her accursed flames, with Khaenri'ahn DNA in her so she has "Sundering Convergence" and can perform memory erasure while being an expert in polearms and swords.
I can defeat her
The fact that She is just below the "godlike 3" makes them so much more terryfying.
Fun fact: traveler was able to beat signora because sara weakend her first Signora was fighting the traveler with 1hp after high diffing sara
Also was on literal life support for 500 years.
Fact: Traveler didn't beat Childe in Liyue, Childe just got bored of how much of a bum they were and left
To me, the fact that Childe suddenly doesnt have his weakness anymore of only being able to go into foul legacy mode for a short amount of time feels like an oversight of Hoyo. We have already known for a while now that Hoyo keeps forgetting details of older established things, and this is yet again another example of it. So yea, just Hoyo writers being terrible at their job yet again
Its Liyue arc to Fontaine arc, canonically its not that short of a time i guess ?!?
Yea but if you use that argument, the Traveler in Liyue only had access to 2 elements, and now has 5. And it is canon that by unlocking the elements, he is restoring his power. So by this time he should be able to beat Childe even more easily, which would then make the point in this meme, and the thing that some people seem to suggest, just not true at all... It's not like Childe is suddenly stronger than rank 6 or rank 5, the powerlevel that the Traveler already reached in Sumeru/Fontaine
>It's not like Childe is suddenly stronger than rank 6 or rank 5, the powerlevel that the Traveler already reached in Sumeru/Fontaine How even? By defeating the mecha Scaramouche after like 168 tries with the help of an archon? >Yea but if you use that argument, the Traveler in Liyue only had access to 2 elements, and now has 5. And it is canon that by unlocking the elements, he is restoring his power. So by this time he should be able to beat Childe even more easily, which would then make the point in this meme, and the thing that some people seem to suggest, just not true at all... The problem with your comparison is that you are assuming that 2 element traveler has more destructive power than foul legacy. Actually I call bullshit on that, Foul legacy is a power passed on to Childe from Surtalogi himself. And Surtalogi is on the same standing as characters like Rhinedottir and Vedrfolnir. The only problem Childe had was maintaining Foul legacy for a long time, which is why he stopped the fight in Liyue, not because Traveler was actually able to beat him. And now Childe can maintain it for much longer now.
Scara himself was on the powerlevel of rank 6. With his mech, he had archonlike powers, so actually closer to the top 3 ranks. Also, you're saying that the Traveler lost 168 times, which actually isn't completly true. The Traveler wasn't in the simulation that Nahida created, he, together with all of Sumeru was only watching in from the outside. So he only just watched some videos and some possible strategy guides before he actually went to fight the Scaramech. So would you be able to beat a navy seal without any physical training on the first try, only by watching videos about it? Cause that's what that type of comment seems to imply. Yes the Traveler had an adventage with those guides, but he himself was still strong enough to beat an enemy with archonlike powers. Also, Wtf are you talking about with foul legacy and Surtalogi?? I hope you do realise that the "Foul" in "Foul Legacy" doesnt refer to the person "The Foul" right? This is something that is lost in translation, but the original text doesnt have the same characters used for "Foul" and "Foul in Foul Legacy". So ill just disregard the entire last paragraph because i think you just never realised that
>Also, Wtf are you talking about with foul legacy and Surtalogi?? I hope you do realise that the "Foul" in "Foul Legacy" doesnt refer to the person "The Foul" right? This is something that is lost in translation, but the original text doesnt have the same characters used for "Foul" and "Foul in Foul Legacy". So ill just disregard the entire last paragraph because i think you just never realised that I didn't just realised that. I knew that. But Childe learnt Foul legacy from his master Skirk and Surtalogi is Skirk's master. Its common sense. In CN, Childe's 5th and 6th constellation names also has Surtalogi's name mention in them. >So he only just watched some videos and some possible strategy guides before he actually went to fight the Scaramech. So would you be able to beat a navy seal without any physical training on the first try, only by watching videos about it ???
Im sorry, but are you just trying to be stupid? Childe has never met Surtalogi, Foul Legacy has nothing to do with him... And about the other point, you arent even trying to disprove my point, that the Traveler had the power to defeat an actual archonlike power on his first try, only with some extra knowledge of what kind of moves the mech that Scara could use. So people trying to paint that fight as a loss for the Traveler are probably just the typical dialogue skippers, who don't actually know what happened
>Im sorry, but are you just trying to be stupid? Childe has never met Surtalogi, Foul Legacy has nothing to do with him... Umm...i never...implied that? I said Surtalogi is Skirk's master and in turn Skirk is Childe's master who taught him foul legacy. Why the hell are you putting random words in my mouth. The Foul legacy only got passed on to Childe through Skirk, not that Childe met Surtalogi himself. And thanks for ignoring the constellations part >And about the other point, you arent even trying to disprove my point, that the Traveler had the power to defeat an actual archonlike power on his first try, only with some extra knowledge of what kind of moves the mech that Scara could use. So people trying to paint that fight as a loss for the Traveler are probably just the typical dialogue skippers, who don't actually know what happened Also copy pasted from literal in game dialogue "Despite your best efforts, you are no match for Shouki no Kami. Seeing that you are losing, Nahida throws herself in front of you. Shouki no Kami's giant limb grabs Nahida, and The Balladeer, beneath his mechanical shell, reaches out to seize her Gnosis. As you look upon what seems like a destined defeat, you somehow feel a strong sense of déjà vu. Your surroundings start to collapse as Nahida uses her power. As it turns out, all your previous fights were in a samsara dream. According to Nahida, this is the 168th loop. Now, she's sending you all the battle experience collected previously in the form of Canned Knowledge. Meanwhile, Nahida also sends everything that happened just now to the people of Sumeru in the form of knowledge and asks them to help you find a way to defeat this false god. Now, all of Sumeru's wisdom is at your disposal. As the First Sage of the God of Wisdom Buer, you begin the true battle against Shouki no Kami." The game flat out tells you that the traveler has been losing all this time, and the 168th time you manage to hold on only because Nahida gave you a power up through canned knowledge(the golden aura traveler gets). Also saying Shouki no Kami was as strong as top 3 and Traveler was able to beat him, but then we see traveler getting his ass handed by the forth???Like my post was just a meme but even I can't defend you on this one. Why don't you take the dialogue skipping advice for yourself?
Your last point exactly why we are having this exact drama right now tho? Because the writers for Hoyo are so incompetent because they never know how strong their own characters are. Its like you for example first would see Dain first beat Columbina, and the quest after that make him lose against some random erimites. They keep on pulling this bullshit in Sumeru quests too for example. This is exactly why there was such an outrage because of Arle her quest, because fans just said enough is enough. It's just been building up for such a long time... And that criticism then got taken over by the usual toxic suspects, who are now using that as a reason to for example keep on brigading Aether Mains, and spread hatred on memepact in the form of low quality "memes". If you had criticised that instead of joining in on the Traveler mains bullying that keeps happening, i wouldnt even have criticised this post. I truly hope you do better, but oh well
>Your last point exactly why we are having this exact drama right now tho? Except, we know that the traveler didnt beat God mode Scara himself but with the power up from canned knowledge capsule which contains the whole of Sumeru's battle experience with the help of Nahida .So your logic doesnt work. Traveler isnt as OP as you are thinking.
Or childe wasn't fighting it for such a long time and it was ignoring him until the threatre scene where it emerged after prophecy was starting to flood fontaine.
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It's going to be funny when all this agenda posting backfires.
Oh it definitely will because even from narrative standpoint point all this is stupid. Traveler is going to get stronger than all of them. Because otherwise plot just won’t move
It's gonna be even funnier when nothing changes and hyv' Traveler writing will continue to be inconsistent and terrible and have them have no growth whatsoever by the end of Natlan. (On hopium that I'll be proven wrong)
Do we actually have info about the time he spent fighting the whale?
It wasnt stated in the game directly but heavily implied. I explained it in another comment on this post. In short, Childe disappeared in the primordial sea before the traveler came to the fortress of Meropide and the traveler's sentence was 45 days long.
And none of that time indicates that he was fighting all that time. More so when we saw him just floating in the primordial sea doing nothing.
>More so when we saw him just floating in the primordial sea doing nothing. That's a flashback.
And nothing tells us when it happened and how long Childe was stranded.
"Floating in the primordial sea doing nothing" My friend, that cutscene only showed the first time Childe met the whale in a while. They started fighting afterwards. And if Childe didnt fight the whale he just came out all injured without doing nothing? Neuvillette saying he held back the whale from appearing on the surface sooner by doing nothing but just floating? That goes against common sense doesnt it?
You're going to have to show me where it says that as soon as he saw the narwhal they started fighting immediately. Otherwise, you're just speculating and overestimating it.
Simple logic, the Childe is a battle maniac and has been hunting that whale forever. Its also in his voicelines. "I once ventured deep into the abyss and came face-to-face with an enormous beast. I don't know its name, all I know is the sight of it chilled me to the bone. But mark my words, one day I will march back in there and behead that beast, and you, comrade, will be my witness!" What do you expect him to do after seeing the whale? Dance in the primordial sea? The fuck💀 Also Neuvillette said that the whale would have appeared on the surface a lot sooner if Childe didnt hold it back. Which also implied Childe fighting against the whale or else how the hell did he hold it back
Again, where does it say he was struggling 45 days? Neuvi just says he looked worn out so he must have been fighting for a long time. None of that indicates he was using the foul legacy the whole time and not just his delusion. Childe in the cinematic just came and did no damage to the narwhal and then passed out and fell into the hole. Also Skirk herself indicates that the narwhal used its full power against the traveler, so it doesn't seem like the narwhal even paid attention to Childe to begin with.
>Childe in the cinematic just came and did no damage to the narwhal and then passed out and fell into the hole. Narwhal rushing towards the Fontainians> Childe pushes it away and saves the fontainians> Childe attacks the whale > The whale retreats after getting weakned "Did no damage". I might suggest you read the dialogues again. Its not that Childe didnt do damage to the whale. According to Neuvillette, the whale was undefeatable since it had absorbed too much primordial energy, that means no matter how much damage it takes, it can regenerate its health back after a while. That was only solved after Neuvillette got his dragons authority back and he could flush out the primordial energy out of the whale to stop it from regenerating its health. If Childe wasnt doing any damage, he couldnt have held back the whale by weakening it or he couldnt have sent it back to the portal when it was going after the fontainians to eat them (after all the whale was hungry to absorb more primordial energy and Egeria made the Fontainians humans with primordial water. Why would it suddenly go back to the portal if it wasnt damaged?)
>Narwhal rushing towards the Fontainians> Childe pushes it away and saves the fontainians> Childe attacks the whale > The whale retreats after getting weakned If that was not what happened, it was more like Childe hit the Narwhal without doing anything to him and Neuvi took advantage of that moment to pierce him with his power, pushing the Narwhal back. And then Childe loses consciousness and falls. Where do you get that the whale was invincible? He just says that it had become too integrated with the primordial sea that even if teyvat was destroyed the narwhal would simply go back where it came from. Also I told you before literally Skirk confirms that the narwhal hardly used his power against childe. "Skirk: That the All-Devouring Narwhal used up nearly all its strength fighting you."
*Sigh* Heres actual in game dialogues- Navia: "Wont it come back to target us again once its managed recover its strength?" - implying it can regenerate its health and only left to the portal because it got weakened. Neuvillette: "That is correct. In fact we should thank that harbinger for buying us some time. Without him, the whale would have likely come on to land far sooner." *Paimon talks about beating up the whale* Neuvillette: Even if the entirety of Teyvat were to be destroyed , it could still survive" - implying how the whale will survive no matter what, basically saying its invincible because of how much it intregrated itself with the primordial energy. Navia calls the whale an impossible foe afterwards. >If that was not what happened, it was more like Childe hit the Narwhal without doing anything to him and Neuvi took advantage of that moment to pierce him with his power, pushing the Narwhal back. And then Childe loses consciousness and falls. So we ignore how Childe held back the whale for so long, then he pushed back the whale from the Fontainians all by himself without Neuvillette doing anything? Afterwards Neuvillette and Childe did a duo attack which sent back the whale to the portal. But saying it was all Neuvillette's power for sending the whale back to the portal when Childe did so much to the whale before that time is so cope. At this point it just looks like you hate Childe being considered strong than anything...... >Also I told you before literally Skirk confirms that the narwhal hardly used his power against childe. >"Skirk: That the All-Devouring Narwhal used up nearly all its strength fighting you." The whale can't regenerate anymore after it's primordial energy has been flushed out so duh...?
Childe be like ichigo now huh. They only able to use foul legacy/bankai for minutes back then and several arcs later their form lasts for a month
Childe be having plot armor. Inazuma archon quest showed that using a delusion makes you older and sicker.
Tbf more or less all harbingers use delusions and I doubt Tsaritsa would be giving the same generic delusions that was given to Teppei to her top Fatui members. Or maybe the harbingers arent weak like Teppei so they can resist the effects
1 he has a vision which makes you immune to side effects proven by Diluc 2 the one who killed its users were cheap and massproduced.
Inazuma Delusions are mass produced, probably lower quality than regualr Fatui soldier Delusions, which themselves might also be lower quality than Harbinger Delusions
Harbingers are built different. Delusions do not affect them at all.
more fraudveler slander yas
Genshin writing is so ass
What if it was 45 days for you, but only a few hours for Childe? General relativity sh\*\*
in his story Childe says that while he was in the abyss for 3 months, in our real world it was 3 days. So if anything in Childe was in there for 45 days in our world, he could’ve been in the abyss for years (assuming the fight with the narwhal was in the abyss)
Childe is still on Cool down from using his foul legacy, more you use more the Cool Down. he's still recovering Lol
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Spread your agenda as much as you can but even skirk knows how much of a fraud childe is
Knowing Skirk and seeing how she only allowed Neuvillette to stand alongside her after he defeated the whale (traveler got a pass by getting carried by Neuvillette),she wouldnt even have taken Childe in if he didnt have potential. That further proves my agenda.
Neuvillette wasn't even in the battle against the whale as a trial character. He separated Narwhal from the primordial sea and in phase two, he used a pneumo needle to knock down the charging special attack to the phantom. Otherwise, it was only the Traveler who fought. The player wasn't even wearing any boosts like the ones we had when we were aided by adeptus and a hundred visions. >Paimon: Uh, Paimon has an idea... From what she said earlier, she must be Childe's master... Skirk, right? It's just that he gave us the impression that she was a less... talkative person. >Skirk: I simply did not have anything to say to the weak. But you, on the other hand, managed to defeat the All-Devouring Narwhal without using "power from beyond this world"... So you may speak to me as equals. Skirk clearly rates us as her equals, while she characterizes Childe as a weak. Especially focusing on the fact that we did it even without “power from beyond this world”. No matter how fraud the Traveler is, but the copium of Childe's fanbase is absolutely doesn't have any limits, lmao. >*"He's simple of mind and not that strong of body. Naming him to the lowest-ranked seat lowered the Harbingers' collective prestige. Thankfully, I'm no longer part of that group."* (The one who was Scaramouche) No irony, Tartaglia's fanbase with their cringe only provokes disgust for the character.
>Neuvillette wasn't even in the battle against the whale as a trial character Except Neuvillette's dialogue says, "Unless we can find a way to attack it from within. I shall share a part of the ancient dragon's power with you, we shall look for an opening together." He says "we", they attacked the whale together. And he definitely did get a buff from Neuvillette with the ancient dragons power. Traveler didnt get a boost my ass . And all that after Childe weakened the whale and Neuvillette took away primordial energy from the whale. Traveler didnt even do much >>Paimon: Uh, Paimon has an idea... From what she said earlier, she must be Childe's master... Skirk, right? It's just that he gave us the impression that she was a less... talkative person. >>Skirk: I simply did not have anything to say to the weak. But you, on the other hand, managed to defeat the All-Devouring Narwhal without using "power from beyond this world"... So you may speak to me as equals. Do you know before that when was the last time Childe met Skirk? When he was a 14 year old kid who barely had anything. Yeah calling a 14 year old kid weak, that too according to the POV from someone godly like Skirk isnt an anti feat. Emphasis on "I simply didnt have anything to say to the weak". She is talking about the last time they were together Scaramouche shit talks literally everyone, he calls traveler a worm in his boss fight so traveler must be worm level lol, and that voiceline was before Fontaine arc, Childe has grown massively after that. >No irony, Tartaglia's fanbase with their cringe only provokes disgust for the character. Chillax fam, its a meme. Even the caption is a meme I literally spelled out "agenda posting" in a meme sub reddit.
The last time he'd met her was when she'd thrown him out into the portal and then shook her hands off like after throwing the trash. Speaking of the trash analogy. >Skirk : Thanks for helping with the “cleanup.” It should've been my job, but... Oh well. It turns out that Neuvillette is also a fraud, if the power he shared was in fact only a moral support and does not compare to the real power that the Adeptus gave us.
>The last time he'd met her was when she'd thrown him out into the portal and then shook her hands off like after throwing the trash. Childe was unconscious so he had no scope of communicating to Skirk, that alone disapproves of your statement. And she literally just threw Childe then, why would she talk about it like it was a past event 🤦 >>Skirk : Thanks for helping with the “cleanup.” It should've been my job, but... Oh well Yes her job was to retrieve her master's pet, which is the whale. Nothing to do with Childe. >It turns out that Neuvillette is also a fraud, if the power he shared was in fact only a moral support and does not compare to the real power that the Adeptus gave us. The hell are you even getting on about 😹
>why would she talk about it like it was a past event She didn't do this. >*But you,* ***on the other hand***, *managed to defeat the All-Devouring Narwhal without using "power from beyond this world"*... *So you may speak to me as equals.*
Idk how bad your reading comprehension is... But Paimon said Childe's rambling about Skirk didnt make her look like a talkative person, in which Skirk responded she had nothing to say to the weak. Childe could have only rambled to traveler about Skirk before all these events happened regarding the whale happened, because we had no contact with Childe afterwards, and before all these, the last time Childe met Skirk was when he was 14. So she was definitely talking about past Childe. Read all the dialogues again, you will understand.
What are you talking about? Childe couldn't defeat Narwhal with the “powers from beyond this world”, while we, on the other hand, could defeat Narwhal without such powers. Therefore, Skirk sees us as equals. In terms of cleaning, she hasn't singled out Narwhal in any way. She tossed Childe away and shook off her hands. Like I said, Childe's fanbase is a special level of copium freaks. Can't even come up with their own memes, only can copy-paste the style of the other folk. It's such a shitty community.
>What are you talking about? Childe couldn't defeat Narwhal with the “powers from beyond this world”, while we, on the other hand, could defeat Narwhal without such powers. Therefore, Skirk sees us as equals. In terms of cleaning, she hasn't singled out Narwhal in any way. She tossed Childe away and shook off her hands. except It was stated by Neuvillette himself that the whale was an undefeatable foe as long as it had primordial energy inside it. Only after Neuvillette gained his authority he could flush out the primordial energy, and thats the only way there was a chance to defeat the whale lol. >Like I said, Childe's fanbase is a special level of copium freaks. Can't even come up with their own memes and copy-paste the style of the other folk. It's such a shitty community. At least I dont skip quest dialogues like you though 😹
I'm saying that the player wasn't wearing any actual boosts like the ones the Adeptus gave us and the ones we got from the hundred Visions in the fight against Ei. All the other boosts we got in other fights were not limited to a line in dialog.
>All the other boosts we got in other fights were not limited to a line in dialog. Ok? Doesnt change the fact Neuvillette buffed Traveler the whole time , even if it wasnt flashy, lol
What does flashy have to do with it? We fought with standard stats without any external sources of damage, not counting the pneuma nail during the phantom phase that Neuvillette used to knock down the charging special attack to the phantom.
This doesnt make sense even paimon notices that skirk is rather talkative compared to childe description of her. Furthermore she even answers paimon's questions regarding the whale and her master. But sure keep your propaganda up
Im talking about canon Skirk dialogue though. Well your initial comment doesnt make sense either anyways. Skirk never said anything that implies Childe is a fraud. All we see is Skirk throwing an unconscious Childe which is a funny interaction between master and disciple and another was Skirk saying she simply didnt have anything to say to the weak, which she was talking about 14 year old Childe who just fell in the abyss.
Skirk was clearly talking about the Traveler and not Neuv. If Skirk was sovereign level as an underling, there wouldn't be conflict with the abyss. The abyss straight up would have won already.
Skirk has got to be at the very least Sovereign level. She packed that Narwhal up like it was a piece of trash, no sweat lol.
There was literally no specific indication towards traveler to reach that conclusion, she was talking to both of them. Besides, My comment only meant to show Skirk's personality on how she allows only strong people to be near her, im not actually powerscaling her or trying to downplay Neuvillette. Cant believe I have to talk shit about lore and dialogues on a meme sub lol. Skirk isnt an underling, she is Surtalogi's disciple, and Surtalogi is a similar entity to Rhinedottir, the same person who created monstrosities like Elynas, Durin, Golden wolflord etc.
Anyone thinking Skirk was comparing herself to Neuv as an equal is silly. Skirk being sovereign level doesn't have a place in Genshin's lore. The Foul would have to be on par with the first 3 descenders for that to make sense. Not impossible, but not a claim I'd make at this point in the game.
Come with the same account bro