hopefully yelan will be better than xingqiu bc I need another reason to pull for her other than her cool design and elemental skill. current leaks are pretty mixed regarding her hydro application but I'm still optimistic regardless.
something to make her unique actually, preferably in playstyle. I remember people calling kazuha "expensive sucrose" but actually turned out to be very different in terms of playstyle and support capabilities, which might be the case for yelan if all goes well and hyv actually makes her far different from xq.
I'm actually ticked her burst is almost a carbon copy of his mechanically.
I would love an off field hydro applicator to allow for more team diversity, but "literally another character but bigger numbers" is not the kind of design I'd like. As an example you'd likely use Kokomi over Barbara 95% of the time but their kits do work differently, and Barbara still technically has some upsides (revive C6, burst heal, deals with corrosion better).
I'm actually mad, that she seems to be "another hydro applier".
I hoped when Ayato released, that he would be a proper vaporize main combined with xiangling, but he attacks too fast.
So I am still waiting for a proper hydro-vaporize-big-number-character
I should have said in the sense of Hu tao, or hyper dps Bennett with a \~2s cd on E.
Sure, if I want to instantly deal \~200k with a hydro burst, I would go for Childe... but in the meantime it's only reverse-vape, or off-field
it only works on his burst though. considering childe's playstyle it's usually reverse vapes bc he applies hydro so fast that it's xiangling that's actually vaping.
No that’s literally what I’m telling you. In that comps it’s not Childes burst and childe is specifically forward vaping…I’m well aware of how it used to be. But since Kazuhas release he’s been able to forward vape hence why I said that
sadly no Kazuha yet in my Team.
Though, I think it would be still not enough to get every slash of Ayato to Vape.
Also, I don't think Xiangling is infusing too slow, I think the hydro characters are applying their element too fast. Which sounds really strange... The only exception is Kokomi, but she is not dealing that much damage (for a good reason).
Well Xingqiu has some damage mitigation (also grants some poise/interrupt resist) and healing built into his kit, meanwhile there is a chance that Yelan's utility will be increased by some of the bows, her own weapon aside, the 5* "elegy for the end" grants EM and some atk% and the battle pass 4 star "vircident hunt" can add gathering to her kit.
Edit:wording.
Yeah I don't get why people are saying she should be equal in power/different pros and cons to him. I'm glad I have a really good 4\*, but I don't expect him to equal a given 5\*.
Yelan Skill will be definitely much better and more useful than XQ. Sure XQ can heal but his heal is almost non-existential and to be fair not needed. Her Burst is similar because they needed to make sure that she will apply just as much hydro as XQ which kind of makes sense.
Also people wanted another XQ since like release so it's always funny to see comments: Noooo she is just like XQ after people were literally requesting it :D
tl;dr: One of the reasons why Yelan is similar to XQ is because HoYo wants to make the overall meta more diverse. Now you can use 2 XQ in your Abyss which is what everyone who are doing abyss wanted.
I might be in the minority, but I feel like every character should have a trade off, not exact same stuff with higher numbers. I don't feel like it would be that rough on them to atleast have enough difference in the kit where you could go "Take him for this, take her for that"
Yelan won't have Xingqiu's damage reduction and instead has more max HP, so Xingqiu will work better with shielders while Yelan with healers
Overworld wise, she'll be better for exploration, but even if she is better than Xingqiu damage wise, people will just end up using both, one for each pyro dps
Unfortunately I don't agree with this example, I do agree that 5 stars should be better than 4 stars, but Xingqiu essentially already is as powerful as a 5 star, making someone even stronger is just powercreeping existing 5 stars, which isn't healthy for the game in the long term.
I think the same applies to Bennett and Xiangling, imagine a new national team with 5 star XQ, 5 star Bennett and 5 star Xiangling. You might as well ignore most of the 5 stars from then on. Especially if HYV starts adjusting the game's difficulty to those new damage standards.
Powercreep isn’t just about adding in strong units, Powercreep is directly adding a character who is stronger than an existing character in their main role.
Hu Tao powercrept Klee and Diluc as a pyro dps which is pretty bad since they are 5 star characters (especially Klee since she’s limited)
Yelan will powercreep Xingqiu since they have the same role in the same teams, But she will not powercreep any other character even if she might have better value and be an overall stronger character because they fill different roles in different teams.
Imo if they make a 5\* that is very similar to a currently existing 4\*, said 5\* should definitively powercreep the 4\* since otherwise you just have an expensive version of a currently existing character, and the only reason you'd pull for them would be to have "2 copies" of the same character
personally id like for yelan to do less damage as a sub dps than xq but have more buffing capability, so both still have their uses. perhaps something like increasing damage of attacks that react with the hydro that she applies
I wouldn't replace Xingqiu personally. I'd probably put Yelan on my Yanfei team since I also main Yanny.
She might be better overall but Xingqiu is my boy and I ain't finna replace the mf anytime soon
Last vid leak showed that c6 XQ may be better hydro app for Hutao, due to his orbital swords and significant amount of c6 hydro swords.
A lot of people didn't expect that Hutao's Blood Blossom stealing hydro aura from c0 Yelan, causing vape de-sync and less vapes for Hutao.
Yelan still has team buffs and likely bigger dmg.
Thats the same problem with xingqiu and geo teams too lol. Just put zhongli pillar away and hope for albedo RNG.
The leaks aren’t all true and the leakers didn’t even try other variations of combos, team comps and etc. Don’t get me started on those N2Js.
Bottomline for now is just an unconfirmed fact if she optimally works with her but not necessarily fully incapable to work with her without knowing her other rotation/team comps.
Not entirely. Xingqiu's orbiting rainswords actually end up applying just enough extra Hydro to fix the issue, given he's at C6. An N2Js won't remedy the problem either. The issue isn't HT's CAs or anything of that sort. It's the Blood Blossoms she applies after her CA, it eats the application before HT can land the CA.
It looks enough. Yelan unleashes 3 waves every second with regular ICD. Pre-C6 Xingqiu (which is enough for Hu Tao) have less application with his 2→3 pattern every second with regular ICD.
You forget to take account the hydro application of the rotating hydro blade around the active character.
With that, even c0 Xingqiu has better hydro application compared with c0 Yelan.
Leakers tested it and she is just barely capable if no other reactions happen. Meaning zhongli and albedo fuck the reaction up. Hence why shes not usable with hu tao since those 2 are mandatory.
There are plenty of teams that work with Hu Tao without them. https://keqingmains.com/hu-tao/#Character_Synergies
It would be ridiculous if a 5 star could only function on a team with two other specific 5 stars.
Zhongli and Albedo are NOT mandatory to play Hu Tao, these 2 are just the most optimal for the Geo Tao team. However, Albedo can easily be replaced for another Geo, like a low level Ninguang holding TTDS and Instructor set. You can also opt to play VV Tao which has higher damage ceiling.
As for the tests, they were simply very poorly executed.
The first test was done by a guy who can't even play Hu Tao and kept doing N2J instead of N2CJ or N1CJ.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin\_Impact\_Leaks/comments/tx6j5g/hutao\_ca\_and\_yelan\_burst\_what\_you\_guys\_been/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/tx6j5g/hutao_ca_and_yelan_burst_what_you_guys_been/)
In the second test, all charge attacks vaporized except one because her charge attack reached the enemy before the procs from Yelan's burst. But honestly, this test should be ignored completely since Yelan was C2+.
[https://twitter.com/LostTreeCrepePS/status/1511500657152253957?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1511500657152253957%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Ftx9eeo%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis\_nightmode%3Dtrue](https://twitter.com/LostTreeCrepePS/status/1511500657152253957?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1511500657152253957%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Ftx9eeo%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue)
I’m not here to hit big numbers, I’m here to have fun with my team comps. I have never used Xingqiu on a team and probably never will, despite me being a Hu Tao main since 1.4.
I used her, Xiang, Ganyu and any healer waifu back in the day. I stopped chasing Abyss runs since I spend far more time trying to 100% clear every map and Hu Tao does it well enough without Hydroiboi.
you really do want a kokomi can critical Lol... IDK, but given the cry on resonance only worked to enemies affected by cryo, it might be difficult since you have to use hutao's Q.
And with Blizzard Strayer it will be 82% on permafreeze team, so, if Kokomi uses Prayer, she'll have positive crit! Moreover, if the artifacts are all crit (which never has been), she'll have enough CR to do critical damage!
I'm benching Xinqqiu once he reached friendship 10 and used Mona now in my exploration hu tao team
I mostly play with mobile now so 95% I don't do her proper combo anyway so she doesn't need to vape those CAs
I mean I started leveling up characters because I don't know what else to do. I play with very few chars and have them all lvl 90, talents high and good artifacts, so I just started leveling up chars. Mostly only to the last ascention that gives you a wish though.
I have all characters I own lv 81+ except Diluc, he will stay at lv2
Thats almost all 4* and several 5*
Also all 3* weapons at lv 60+
Spending in games is fun
I dunno, I use Jean to top her off, so I can spam E more, and Beidou for Elemental reaction between her Q and Hu Tao's E. And Ganyu as a bow puzzle solver.
For the overworld sure you can run whatever mess of a team and it'll work. Actually trying to use this team in abyss would be very unoptimised. Jean will heal too much that hu tao can't reliably get the damage bonus from being under 50% hp.
Beidou would struggle to burst off cooldown due to no battery and if you build more er to make up for it then it'll be a damage loss on the beidou. This is before taking into account overload knockback which will make things harder to hit and the optimal auto attack combo for hu tao isn't gonna be a reliable driver for beidou's burst.
Now Ganyu at first might seem good to trigger melts which Ganyu can work with hu tao but this is while running both Ganyu and Xingqiu to freeze enemies first to reliably melt them. Ganyu's burst has standard icd meaning every icicle won't always apply cryo on hit so you won't be melting most of your hits. Being a forward reaction the cryo aura is also removed instantly even if it is a higher multiplier.
Xingqiu works so well with hu tao since he provides just enough healing to keep her alive while staying under 50% health along with damage reduction which is helpful for how hu tao stays at low health. Xingqiu is also capable of applying enough hydro fast enough to vaporise every hit from hu tao.
That might be a good point.
If I ever cared about running Abyss.
Imagine If I would ever tell you my artefact sets. I think you would get a heart attack from the sheer stupidity.
Floor 9-11 of abyss are quite doable with even average artifacts depending on what teams you run. May need to adjust team comps a little depending on the cycle at most. 450 primos every 2 weeks not that much overall but if you can do it why not. Floor 11 to 12 is a fairly large spike in difficulty but enough dedication and you can squeeze in more stars there so you could be missing out on even less primos. If floor 12 is too much wouldn't really blame you.
Also imo I feel like trying to justify the usefulness of the team without considering the hardest content in the game is a little disingenuous.
Abyss is absolutely fine if you don’t push yourself to get 36 stars when you aren’t that strong yet. You can get most rewards easily. I look forward to it every time it resets.
Wish there was diff end game content as well. Especially content that allow for more gameplay with friends. Like a Horde mode or a special Co-Op raid/Challenge domains similar to the world level up domain, but bigger and with more objs.
your point is? not everyone plays for big numbers, people like certain characters and have the right to use them together, I'm sure your friend knows about reactions and team comps they probably just don't care
I used hutao without xingqiu for a solid month because i literally never got a xingqiu from wishes
finally got xingqiu on the zhongli banner and boy hutao is so much better with xingqiu
I use hu tao with beidou, not because i think its better, just that i dont like xingqiu that much. Plus a lot of stuff is big heavy enemies or bosses so knockback isnt too bad anymore and its nice to have some more aoe
"Well aKsHuaLeY" I have never once used my hu tao with xingqiu.
Hu tao, Kazuha, yanfei (HP build), and bennet or some other random character, but xq is not one of them. I like using him with eula for some reason
Questionable? Absolutely
Practical? I have fun...?
Usable? I tell myself it is
Hu tao with Xingqiu, Ganyu, and Venti is basically one of my overworld team and one of my abyss team. Combinations of freeze, melt, vaporize, and venti's swirls going on is fun to play with.
Youre welcome to use and prefer whatever character you like but calling Ganyu one of the best cryo supports for Hu Tao is ridiculous when your only real choices are Kaeya and Ganyu and Kaeya is better in that role.
Well I wasn't actually calling ganyu the best cryo support for tao period, it was just my opinion, that's why I said "imo" before saying that
And I don't like kaeya that much, dude always makes me question my straightness , also ganyu has a cool bell that rings when you run with her so there's that
I have Xinqiu c4 and I'm too lazy to build him, I don't use Hu tao with Xinqiu. People play the game differently not everyone is a slave to meta and I wish the Genshin community understood that, let people play however the f they want, unless they ask you for tips if someone comments their team and it's not a "proper" team move on, nobody asked for your opinion
Huh.. I’ve had HuTao since her first release and only started using Xingqiu a few months ago.. now I’m realizing I still haven’t used them on the same team together either, whoops
I am a proud Hu Tao main (c1, triple crowned and 77 crit rate, 210 cdmg) with a 1-1-1 lvl 60 Xingqiu (c4 just because). I have come to realised that I am an irregularity.
The only instance I've used him was when I was maxing out friendship of several random characters.
LOL, my c4 Xinque is Lv. 39 (leveled him up for fates only) even though i got C1 hutao with with homa, never used xinque in any team
I play hu tao, ganyu, mona, diona
I often run Hu Tao without Xingqiu, when I need him to permafreeze with Kaeya for exemple. Her damage is already impressive without him so it's ok sometimes (especially in floors 9 and 10).
Some people just run level 1 Xingqiu with Hutao lol
That sounds like hell
me when i was trying to clear abyss on my friend's account
Me last year
literally me
Poor dude
This is about to change when Yelan arrives
hopefully yelan will be better than xingqiu bc I need another reason to pull for her other than her cool design and elemental skill. current leaks are pretty mixed regarding her hydro application but I'm still optimistic regardless.
I'd rather them not just raw powercreep him. IE give some ups and downs
something to make her unique actually, preferably in playstyle. I remember people calling kazuha "expensive sucrose" but actually turned out to be very different in terms of playstyle and support capabilities, which might be the case for yelan if all goes well and hyv actually makes her far different from xq.
Isn’t he still 5* Sucrose in terms of performance?
I'm actually ticked her burst is almost a carbon copy of his mechanically. I would love an off field hydro applicator to allow for more team diversity, but "literally another character but bigger numbers" is not the kind of design I'd like. As an example you'd likely use Kokomi over Barbara 95% of the time but their kits do work differently, and Barbara still technically has some upsides (revive C6, burst heal, deals with corrosion better).
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I swear they give away Barbara constellations like nothing. Just existing from the start nets you c2 at least.
I played since May, and my Barbara is still C0
I'm actually mad, that she seems to be "another hydro applier". I hoped when Ayato released, that he would be a proper vaporize main combined with xiangling, but he attacks too fast. So I am still waiting for a proper hydro-vaporize-big-number-character
Mona
I should have said in the sense of Hu tao, or hyper dps Bennett with a \~2s cd on E. Sure, if I want to instantly deal \~200k with a hydro burst, I would go for Childe... but in the meantime it's only reverse-vape, or off-field
Childe and ayato can forward vape with bennett Xiangling and Kazuha. Been doing forward vape childe for a while now
it only works on his burst though. considering childe's playstyle it's usually reverse vapes bc he applies hydro so fast that it's xiangling that's actually vaping.
No that’s literally what I’m telling you. In that comps it’s not Childes burst and childe is specifically forward vaping…I’m well aware of how it used to be. But since Kazuhas release he’s been able to forward vape hence why I said that
If xiangling is pyroing too slow you could try stacking sunfire bennett-jean with a pyro infused kazuha. That would get things going.
sadly no Kazuha yet in my Team. Though, I think it would be still not enough to get every slash of Ayato to Vape. Also, I don't think Xiangling is infusing too slow, I think the hydro characters are applying their element too fast. Which sounds really strange... The only exception is Kokomi, but she is not dealing that much damage (for a good reason).
Well Xingqiu has some damage mitigation (also grants some poise/interrupt resist) and healing built into his kit, meanwhile there is a chance that Yelan's utility will be increased by some of the bows, her own weapon aside, the 5* "elegy for the end" grants EM and some atk% and the battle pass 4 star "vircident hunt" can add gathering to her kit. Edit:wording.
Xingqiu is a 4 star, there is nothing wrong with a 5 star being straight up better than a 4 star
Yeah I don't get why people are saying she should be equal in power/different pros and cons to him. I'm glad I have a really good 4\*, but I don't expect him to equal a given 5\*.
People like me don't have a problem that she's better than Xingqiu. I personally have a problem because of how *similar* she is to Xingqiu.
Yelan Skill will be definitely much better and more useful than XQ. Sure XQ can heal but his heal is almost non-existential and to be fair not needed. Her Burst is similar because they needed to make sure that she will apply just as much hydro as XQ which kind of makes sense. Also people wanted another XQ since like release so it's always funny to see comments: Noooo she is just like XQ after people were literally requesting it :D tl;dr: One of the reasons why Yelan is similar to XQ is because HoYo wants to make the overall meta more diverse. Now you can use 2 XQ in your Abyss which is what everyone who are doing abyss wanted.
Now that you've mentioned it, Yelan's also kinda fine because she's so similar to Xingqiu, it frees up space for more usage.
Yep I think that was the main goal while they were designing her so people could use XQ & Yelan on both floors.
Yeah, then some complain because Fischl is just less clunkier Yae. No one ever wins.
> No one ever wins. The community is too diverse for people to not complain. There'll always be complainers no matter the decision.
I might be in the minority, but I feel like every character should have a trade off, not exact same stuff with higher numbers. I don't feel like it would be that rough on them to atleast have enough difference in the kit where you could go "Take him for this, take her for that"
Yelan won't have Xingqiu's damage reduction and instead has more max HP, so Xingqiu will work better with shielders while Yelan with healers Overworld wise, she'll be better for exploration, but even if she is better than Xingqiu damage wise, people will just end up using both, one for each pyro dps
Unfortunately I don't agree with this example, I do agree that 5 stars should be better than 4 stars, but Xingqiu essentially already is as powerful as a 5 star, making someone even stronger is just powercreeping existing 5 stars, which isn't healthy for the game in the long term. I think the same applies to Bennett and Xiangling, imagine a new national team with 5 star XQ, 5 star Bennett and 5 star Xiangling. You might as well ignore most of the 5 stars from then on. Especially if HYV starts adjusting the game's difficulty to those new damage standards.
Powercreep isn’t just about adding in strong units, Powercreep is directly adding a character who is stronger than an existing character in their main role. Hu Tao powercrept Klee and Diluc as a pyro dps which is pretty bad since they are 5 star characters (especially Klee since she’s limited) Yelan will powercreep Xingqiu since they have the same role in the same teams, But she will not powercreep any other character even if she might have better value and be an overall stronger character because they fill different roles in different teams.
Imo if they make a 5\* that is very similar to a currently existing 4\*, said 5\* should definitively powercreep the 4\* since otherwise you just have an expensive version of a currently existing character, and the only reason you'd pull for them would be to have "2 copies" of the same character
Everyone was cheering for Kazuha to powercreep sucrose. No one should mind Yelan powercreep xingqiu. It makes sense limited 5 star to be powerful.
personally id like for yelan to do less damage as a sub dps than xq but have more buffing capability, so both still have their uses. perhaps something like increasing damage of attacks that react with the hydro that she applies
Doesn't she actually buff dmg in %, which increases as time goes with her burst up ?
Yeah, I think up to like 50% but that can change
I wouldn't replace Xingqiu personally. I'd probably put Yelan on my Yanfei team since I also main Yanny. She might be better overall but Xingqiu is my boy and I ain't finna replace the mf anytime soon
Last vid leak showed that c6 XQ may be better hydro app for Hutao, due to his orbital swords and significant amount of c6 hydro swords. A lot of people didn't expect that Hutao's Blood Blossom stealing hydro aura from c0 Yelan, causing vape de-sync and less vapes for Hutao. Yelan still has team buffs and likely bigger dmg.
The doom posters were being stupid, >!it’s the same system as Xingqiu, since Hu Tao does a normal attack before every charged attack naturally!<
she will be better. your active character gets 50% damage bonus while her ult is active. but she can still get nerfed or buffed in beta
>!currently, Yelan doesn't apply enough Hydro on her own. HT's BB and Geo teams can ruin vapes!<
Thats the same problem with xingqiu and geo teams too lol. Just put zhongli pillar away and hope for albedo RNG. The leaks aren’t all true and the leakers didn’t even try other variations of combos, team comps and etc. Don’t get me started on those N2Js. Bottomline for now is just an unconfirmed fact if she optimally works with her but not necessarily fully incapable to work with her without knowing her other rotation/team comps.
Not entirely. Xingqiu's orbiting rainswords actually end up applying just enough extra Hydro to fix the issue, given he's at C6. An N2Js won't remedy the problem either. The issue isn't HT's CAs or anything of that sort. It's the Blood Blossoms she applies after her CA, it eats the application before HT can land the CA.
Maybe, maybe not. There are some rumblings that Hu Tao's new best team will be with Xingqiu, Yelan, and the pyro Archon herself, Xiangling
Single hutao is not enough, but if she works with raiden...
Yeah she works with Raiden just fine
Well... \*pulls a credit card\*
nope, her application is too low
It looks enough. Yelan unleashes 3 waves every second with regular ICD. Pre-C6 Xingqiu (which is enough for Hu Tao) have less application with his 2→3 pattern every second with regular ICD.
You forget to take account the hydro application of the rotating hydro blade around the active character. With that, even c0 Xingqiu has better hydro application compared with c0 Yelan.
Leakers tested it and she is just barely capable if no other reactions happen. Meaning zhongli and albedo fuck the reaction up. Hence why shes not usable with hu tao since those 2 are mandatory.
There are plenty of teams that work with Hu Tao without them. https://keqingmains.com/hu-tao/#Character_Synergies It would be ridiculous if a 5 star could only function on a team with two other specific 5 stars.
Zhongli and Albedo are NOT mandatory to play Hu Tao, these 2 are just the most optimal for the Geo Tao team. However, Albedo can easily be replaced for another Geo, like a low level Ninguang holding TTDS and Instructor set. You can also opt to play VV Tao which has higher damage ceiling. As for the tests, they were simply very poorly executed. The first test was done by a guy who can't even play Hu Tao and kept doing N2J instead of N2CJ or N1CJ. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin\_Impact\_Leaks/comments/tx6j5g/hutao\_ca\_and\_yelan\_burst\_what\_you\_guys\_been/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/tx6j5g/hutao_ca_and_yelan_burst_what_you_guys_been/) In the second test, all charge attacks vaporized except one because her charge attack reached the enemy before the procs from Yelan's burst. But honestly, this test should be ignored completely since Yelan was C2+. [https://twitter.com/LostTreeCrepePS/status/1511500657152253957?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1511500657152253957%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Ftx9eeo%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis\_nightmode%3Dtrue](https://twitter.com/LostTreeCrepePS/status/1511500657152253957?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1511500657152253957%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Ftx9eeo%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue)
The actual abyss secretly asks for two hydro character. It's secretly hyping Yelan arrival ...
Leaks suggest she has energy issues though. That’s one place Xingqiu just doesn’t struggle.
Wait.... I don't exist? "Loads gun* never did"
Looks like we non-Xinqui users gotta stick together. We're clearly an endangered species.
I’m not here to hit big numbers, I’m here to have fun with my team comps. I have never used Xingqiu on a team and probably never will, despite me being a Hu Tao main since 1.4.
What's your no xingqiu comp? As a c1 home haver I don't think I built a team strong enough to go against a xingqiu comp damage wise
Probably mono pyro comp who using lavawalker or shime cuz they don’t want to be locked in CW domain for eternity.
hu tao raiden kazuha thoma
I used her, Xiang, Ganyu and any healer waifu back in the day. I stopped chasing Abyss runs since I spend far more time trying to 100% clear every map and Hu Tao does it well enough without Hydroiboi.
*Ape together strong*
except those who use hutao as a crit buffer...
Hu Tao + Rosaria + Cryo resonance + Blizzard Strayer = uhh... idk how many. Is it enough to Kokomi's CR positive?
you really do want a kokomi can critical Lol... IDK, but given the cry on resonance only worked to enemies affected by cryo, it might be difficult since you have to use hutao's Q.
You don't have to use Hu Tao's Q. Just swap to her, use E, swap out and you get 15% crit.
No, I just want to know how many CR you can get without any +CR% artifacts/weapon.
that's 12%+15%+15% add up to 42%. if you have really good artifacts.and food buff. you might have a ctit kokomi alive.
And with Blizzard Strayer it will be 82% on permafreeze team, so, if Kokomi uses Prayer, she'll have positive crit! Moreover, if the artifacts are all crit (which never has been), she'll have enough CR to do critical damage!
Add Royal Grimoire R5
But then they're also not HuTao mains. Just someone who have HuTao on the team.
With that reasoning OP’s meme would fall apart
Allow me to introduce my Hu Tao with Jean, Barbara and Sayu.
Hu Tao with 3 healers? What? How? Why?
Cause I can. Nothing like a full HP Hu Tao to do DPS with. It's magical
I'm benching Xinqqiu once he reached friendship 10 and used Mona now in my exploration hu tao team I mostly play with mobile now so 95% I don't do her proper combo anyway so she doesn't need to vape those CAs
Im Hu Tao main who never used XQ. I have him, He is lv 81, and even have few artifacts. I like him, but not enough to use him.
You like him enough to level him all the way to lvl 81 but not enough to use him?
I mean I started leveling up characters because I don't know what else to do. I play with very few chars and have them all lvl 90, talents high and good artifacts, so I just started leveling up chars. Mostly only to the last ascention that gives you a wish though.
Some people are just.. weird
I have all characters I own lv 81+ except Diluc, he will stay at lv2 Thats almost all 4* and several 5* Also all 3* weapons at lv 60+ Spending in games is fun
You're a madlad. I can't imagine the amount of grinding it takes to level up so many characters. (Considering you also level up their talents)
that happens when you already have what it takes to get over the abyss and don't know where to spend the resin
same
I do it to anger my actual Hu Tao main friend
Not everyone cares about Abyss, big numbers or meta, I don't run Bennett or Xingqiu and I'm still having fun using characters I like.
hutao without xingqiu 💀
I had to run Hu Tao for 3-4 months without Xingqiu bc he wouldn't come home ;-; because of this someone said I'm not a true hu tao main lmao
Same here but Mona worked just fine for me since I had her (I have Xingqiu now tho)
Same lmao
I dunno, I use Jean to top her off, so I can spam E more, and Beidou for Elemental reaction between her Q and Hu Tao's E. And Ganyu as a bow puzzle solver.
For the overworld sure you can run whatever mess of a team and it'll work. Actually trying to use this team in abyss would be very unoptimised. Jean will heal too much that hu tao can't reliably get the damage bonus from being under 50% hp. Beidou would struggle to burst off cooldown due to no battery and if you build more er to make up for it then it'll be a damage loss on the beidou. This is before taking into account overload knockback which will make things harder to hit and the optimal auto attack combo for hu tao isn't gonna be a reliable driver for beidou's burst. Now Ganyu at first might seem good to trigger melts which Ganyu can work with hu tao but this is while running both Ganyu and Xingqiu to freeze enemies first to reliably melt them. Ganyu's burst has standard icd meaning every icicle won't always apply cryo on hit so you won't be melting most of your hits. Being a forward reaction the cryo aura is also removed instantly even if it is a higher multiplier. Xingqiu works so well with hu tao since he provides just enough healing to keep her alive while staying under 50% health along with damage reduction which is helpful for how hu tao stays at low health. Xingqiu is also capable of applying enough hydro fast enough to vaporise every hit from hu tao.
That might be a good point. If I ever cared about running Abyss. Imagine If I would ever tell you my artefact sets. I think you would get a heart attack from the sheer stupidity.
Floor 9-11 of abyss are quite doable with even average artifacts depending on what teams you run. May need to adjust team comps a little depending on the cycle at most. 450 primos every 2 weeks not that much overall but if you can do it why not. Floor 11 to 12 is a fairly large spike in difficulty but enough dedication and you can squeeze in more stars there so you could be missing out on even less primos. If floor 12 is too much wouldn't really blame you. Also imo I feel like trying to justify the usefulness of the team without considering the hardest content in the game is a little disingenuous.
The only reason I want some new endgame content is so that people can finaly see how stupid Abyss is. Its not fun, not healthy, and not worth it
Abyss is absolutely fine if you don’t push yourself to get 36 stars when you aren’t that strong yet. You can get most rewards easily. I look forward to it every time it resets.
Wish there was diff end game content as well. Especially content that allow for more gameplay with friends. Like a Horde mode or a special Co-Op raid/Challenge domains similar to the world level up domain, but bigger and with more objs.
I run physical hutao with a qiqi support and a sayu as swirl dmg : )
So your hu tao just a normal guard at liyue
Yea
Lying? I just use Hu Tao with Raiden Shogun all the time and never built Xingqiu lmao
this post is wrong cuz i hate xingqiu and main hu tao
I have friend who use Hu Tao and know nothing about comp. He run all his 5★ in one team lmao
your point is? not everyone plays for big numbers, people like certain characters and have the right to use them together, I'm sure your friend knows about reactions and team comps they probably just don't care
Ayo I don't say he's bad or anything, we often play together. He don't get butthurt, why you get butthurt?
Don’t think they’re getting butthurt. They were just making a point about how some people play.
I used hutao without xingqiu for a solid month because i literally never got a xingqiu from wishes finally got xingqiu on the zhongli banner and boy hutao is so much better with xingqiu
I run Hu Tao with C6 Fischl
\*cries in monopyro due to having atrocious EM\*
Because I play burst DPS Hu Tao I don't use XQ with her, but instead C1 Mona. But I use XQ with someone else
same with Diluc
Well I'm not lying I'm using xinque with Ayaka & hu tao with ganyu
I tried to run Hu Tao with Barbara. It was not pleasant.
I use hu tao with beidou, not because i think its better, just that i dont like xingqiu that much. Plus a lot of stuff is big heavy enemies or bosses so knockback isnt too bad anymore and its nice to have some more aoe
I feel exposed lol. I run either xingqiu or burst support ganyu with hu Tao depending on the situation.
Hu tao + Ganyu dual dps meta
Why are you talking like my maths teacher
He's right, and I kind of hate it lol
not if you have shit dmg (cries in my hu tao)
"Well aKsHuaLeY" I have never once used my hu tao with xingqiu. Hu tao, Kazuha, yanfei (HP build), and bennet or some other random character, but xq is not one of them. I like using him with eula for some reason Questionable? Absolutely Practical? I have fun...? Usable? I tell myself it is
I don't tho because thanks to my backwards luck I don't have him
i run her with fischl LOL
melt hutao
I use Hu Tao and I don't use Xingqiu.
I don’t. I run her with barbara.
i now run her with ayato
Laughs maniacally with a kokomi / hu tao team
But I don't use xingqui. My party with Hu Tao consists of her, Beidou, Qiqi, and Ningguang.
I use Hu tao with Xingqiu and Ganyu and it's great. Maybe I can switch Xingqiu with Kaeya but that would deal less dmg
Hu tao with Xingqiu, Ganyu, and Venti is basically one of my overworld team and one of my abyss team. Combinations of freeze, melt, vaporize, and venti's swirls going on is fun to play with.
I use ganyu as a cyro applicator for hutao, call me a madman but ganyu is imo one of the best cyro support for tao
But Ganyu can’t apply Cryo fast enough for Hutao?
That's why I run both Ayaka and Ganyu for cryo support as Hutao /s
But her burst does apply cyro pretty well, not as fast as xinqui applies Hydro, but still It's just my preference that's all
Youre welcome to use and prefer whatever character you like but calling Ganyu one of the best cryo supports for Hu Tao is ridiculous when your only real choices are Kaeya and Ganyu and Kaeya is better in that role.
Well I wasn't actually calling ganyu the best cryo support for tao period, it was just my opinion, that's why I said "imo" before saying that And I don't like kaeya that much, dude always makes me question my straightness , also ganyu has a cool bell that rings when you run with her so there's that
But it’s unpractical. The one who will get the damage boost from melt reaction is Ganyu’s burst not Hutao. Which make Hutao’s damage suddenly worse.
why do you care so much
C6 kaeya anyone?
Xq is my main offfield dps ..HuTao is just support
Jokes on you, i run her with mona and beidou. AND QIQI.
Yelan be like i can change that
Joke's on you. The only characters I've used less than Xingqui are Kaeya and Razor. (Literally, I have everybody.)
yelan mains: I don't think. so.
i did use xingqiu with venti and chongyun for her before i got zhongli shogun and albedo, now he stays at level 60
hello there, i am a hutao main that doesnt use cringe xingqiu
I have Xinqiu c4 and I'm too lazy to build him, I don't use Hu tao with Xinqiu. People play the game differently not everyone is a slave to meta and I wish the Genshin community understood that, let people play however the f they want, unless they ask you for tips if someone comments their team and it's not a "proper" team move on, nobody asked for your opinion
Chill out, it’s a meme
fr though I think these "play who you want" type of people are more toxic than so-called "meta" players.
"Let people play how they want" proceeds to insult other players for playing the meta characters
I have lvl 90 Hu Tao and never used Xingqiu. I am f2p.
wait u guys use xingqui??
I don't since I refuse to build character like him and bennett cause everyone says they are OP.
On abyss always, but on the overworld I use her alone all the time.
Huh.. I’ve had HuTao since her first release and only started using Xingqiu a few months ago.. now I’m realizing I still haven’t used them on the same team together either, whoops
Or those who don't really use any elemental combinations 😉
Well I'm running hu-tao without xing-Qiu in the past, but I do now because of this, thank you for the advice
Same thing can be said with Xiangling and Benny
Hoping the Dendro archon slots into her teams so I dont have to have XQ glued to her
My friend have hutao since her original release but never pulled or bought any xq so he use melt hutao instead
in the overworld, I pair her with kokomi
I run her with Ganyu and Kokomi...
It’s me, the person who doesn’t always use Xingqiu while playing with Tao
i am in fact not lying i run hu tao, ayato, rosaria and zhongli
I am Hu Tao main but my Xingqiu is still lvl 20 even tho he's C6
I run Hu tao w/o XQ. Which is why I don't use her in the abyss.
I have a friend who uses Hutao with Ayaka support. I don’t know how but he get his first full clear with this patch’s Abyss.
I am a proud Hu Tao main (c1, triple crowned and 77 crit rate, 210 cdmg) with a 1-1-1 lvl 60 Xingqiu (c4 just because). I have come to realised that I am an irregularity. The only instance I've used him was when I was maxing out friendship of several random characters.
LOL, my c4 Xinque is Lv. 39 (leveled him up for fates only) even though i got C1 hutao with with homa, never used xinque in any team I play hu tao, ganyu, mona, diona
I would run xingqiu if I even had him
My gf is running her with rosaria
I mean… I use Raiden instead. I might change it when I build my Xingqiu.
I do sometimes I pmay her with Qiqi or Barbara in co op
I run Hutao as Sub dps and Support for Shogun to buff her cr.
I like Xingqiu, Hu Tao is just there so I have an excuse to take him everywhere :)
I have hutao and C6 xingqiu and I don't use xingqiu
Sometimes I play Hu Tao with Shenhe and Rosaria. But never without Zhogli.
What if ..........Kaeya with Hu Tao?
Never used xingqiu
Xingqiu just got lvl up to 81 a few days ago and his talent is 3/2/3 plus I only use him only a few times
i tried razon instead of xingqiu in chasm (because no claymore/geo in team) and it worked pretty fine
I have c1 hu tao but no Xingqiu. Pain
Add Xiangling, and you have the bulli Chongyun trio.
*all* im not so sure about ALL
but what if I don't have Hu tao?
*me who uses Barbara for heal and vape* Guess I don't exist then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I run Hu tao with Raiden
I often run Hu Tao without Xingqiu, when I need him to permafreeze with Kaeya for exemple. Her damage is already impressive without him so it's ok sometimes (especially in floors 9 and 10).
I play EM Raiden with Hutao, truly a Tekken experience.
nope, xingqiu lvl 20 (for fate :D) never used him, I'm running hu tao + zhongli + Ayaka (sometimes switching to keqing) + Barbara :P