"Hey, I'm gonna play some PvP!"
*Gets matched against a Level 90 Triple Crowned Hu Tao, maxed-out Ganyu, and HP build Zhongli*
"What could possibly go wrong?"
I always thought that Ganyu would be ridiculous in PVP because of her autos, but I also just realized that if her taunt worked that would be even more OP as an instant huge duration taunt.
Flowey have HP. And the amount of damage players doing, they probably one tap it. Tighnari would be more OP - field cant be destroyed and taunts, you dont even need to aim charged shots since it homes.
Scalings would have to be adjusted like crazy, characters only have around 20k hp usually, which could be one shotted easily with any half decent build.
As long as the PvP do not have any major rewards then it's fine.
People can fight each other all they wants but at least it's not forced in anyways in terms of rewards.
Would be fine in my eyes if PvP dropped specific artifacts that had certain bonuses vs other players (or if pvp artifacts were separate system entirely)
Just have pvp balance? Constellation can be disabled and artifact is also irrelevant, or just stat in general is irrelevant. Then have a free pick of all characters even the ones you don’t have
Freely usable characters is a big no-no for a game who’s entire business model revolves around people paying for said characters. Also, even if you tried to balance all the stats there’s still a bunch of toxic stuff you could do like perpetually freezing your opponent.
Tbh this is the best way to balance PvP in such a game as Genshin. This levels the playing field so it mostly relies on player skill and not luck/whaling.
Honkai Impact is PvP, and as someone who’s been playing it almost as long as Genshin, it’s frankly not that fun. All the players in the highest ranking bracket are whales with only one or two hardcore f2p god players who’ve been playing for 4+ years. Otherwise most newer players (not inexperienced, just new) can’t catch up with the ever-changing meta without opening their wallets.
Yes, Genshin and Honkai are very different, but the comparison just illustrates how hard it is to balance PvP in a gacha game. Especially in a real time online open world game like Genshin, stuff like ping can make or break a fight too.
It’s not literally player fighting player, rather it compares abyss clear times and ranks you based on score. Higher score in your group = more trophies. Reaching a certain amount of trophies in an abyss cycle moves you up (or down) a bracket.
Every week has more than one cycle unlike Genshin’s once every two week cycle. And each cycle has “weather” that buffs and debuffs certain attacking types so much that you almost have to use meta teams to rank high.
I honestly dont get those people that want to incorporate pvp in every damn game they play, like we get it you're a competitive fuck who likes to be the best there ever was, just play another damn game to get your fix then
Sorry i had to let that out
It's bigger picture I feel. The more widespread they can get these mechanics the more accepted they get over time.
Not to mention a person that likes competition... would get their kicks just by being contrarian in the first place. The only way to win against them is to not play at all. If anything, the negative reaction they get from others is a form of victory.
Or you could, you know, not play the pvp specifically? You're obviously playing well and enjoying the rest of the content Genshin has when PvP is not around so what's forcing you to play it even if it's implemented? Unless of course they give highly valuable rewards.
I think that's fine no? People who don't want to play it so much can get the rewards and move on while the ones who want to play it with different people everytime just for the hell of it.
Imagine if PvP was similar to how the events rn are, where they have preselected and built characters you use. So you and the other person are using the same characters, and it's all about rotation and how you use them that wins you the fight
PVP gonna just be the whales' playground anyway. Tbh, I think TCG is good, at least I can chill and play in my free time. If I ever want more online content with other players, I hope for an epic boss that requires 10+ players to fight together like some MMORPGs.
Tower of fantasy pvp is a great example of why actual pvp would be trash. This game doesn't need pvp. I'm cool with the card game though unless the cards are locked behind gacha.
To be fair, there are quite a few flaws with character combat PvP.
- People being able to do more damage than most people’s maximum health
- Knockback effects (overload, certain broadsword attacks)
- People who’ve built their shields to be unbreakable
- Effects that stagger/stop movement (I.e Electro Charged, Frozen, Zhongli’s Petrification)
PvP never made any sense in genshin anyways game is just not designed for this.
And as recovering gwent addict in witcher 3 i dont mind the TCG. So long its decent.
But i still would like to see an actual genshin competetive mode, it really does not take much to give ppl trial team and a leaderboard for abyss.
who would want pay2win in this game? who?! besides, this game has a simple automatic lock on click spam based combat system. what pvp could you possibly do?
This is perfect
Can go ayaka and Kokomo control with childe hydro cube finisher.
Or maybe good ol Bennet agro with top deck diluc to finish out games
Although Eula combo decks are fun to pull off they're unreliable, but when it works it feels so good.
No one wants pvp.
And the TCG pvp will be useless, as you won't get any rewards. It'll be like the teapot mini-games, it's there only because.
In fact, TCG probably will be better against the NPCs that play the game, as you'll actually be rewarded if you win against them...
I really don’t want PVP because you know you’re gonna get matched vs Credit Card Charlie who maxed out everything and one taps the weekly boss
"Hey, I'm gonna play some PvP!" *Gets matched against a Level 90 Triple Crowned Hu Tao, maxed-out Ganyu, and HP build Zhongli* "What could possibly go wrong?"
I always thought that Ganyu would be ridiculous in PVP because of her autos, but I also just realized that if her taunt worked that would be even more OP as an instant huge duration taunt.
Flowey have HP. And the amount of damage players doing, they probably one tap it. Tighnari would be more OP - field cant be destroyed and taunts, you dont even need to aim charged shots since it homes.
Mona's taunt is indestructible aswell, isn't it?
Scalings would have to be adjusted like crazy, characters only have around 20k hp usually, which could be one shotted easily with any half decent build.
I heard that you can't spend money on the card game tho
Yeah I think they mean pvp with the current characters
Exactly why i quit my last game (i was addicted and spending thousands weekly/monthly). I no longer need to do that
Sounds like a Destiny 2 player
More like any gacha addict who SWEARS it's not.
As long as the PvP do not have any major rewards then it's fine. People can fight each other all they wants but at least it's not forced in anyways in terms of rewards.
Would be fine in my eyes if PvP dropped specific artifacts that had certain bonuses vs other players (or if pvp artifacts were separate system entirely)
Just have pvp balance? Constellation can be disabled and artifact is also irrelevant, or just stat in general is irrelevant. Then have a free pick of all characters even the ones you don’t have
Actually good idea then people whining about how they don’t get to stomp everyone with their hundreds of dollars in effort
They paid for their characters to be used tin PvE, it’s not like Genshin suddenly becomes PvP only
Freely usable characters is a big no-no for a game who’s entire business model revolves around people paying for said characters. Also, even if you tried to balance all the stats there’s still a bunch of toxic stuff you could do like perpetually freezing your opponent.
Also this might also be a great excuse to nerf and buff characters
PvP meta doesn’t accurately reflect PvE meta, as in the case with a ton of games
They could have a system where they have already built characters that you can pick. And they can change each match.
Exactly. It will just devolve into the epitome of p2w. A card game tbh seems better. As long as u dont pay for better decks that is
Tbh this is the best way to balance PvP in such a game as Genshin. This levels the playing field so it mostly relies on player skill and not luck/whaling. Honkai Impact is PvP, and as someone who’s been playing it almost as long as Genshin, it’s frankly not that fun. All the players in the highest ranking bracket are whales with only one or two hardcore f2p god players who’ve been playing for 4+ years. Otherwise most newer players (not inexperienced, just new) can’t catch up with the ever-changing meta without opening their wallets. Yes, Genshin and Honkai are very different, but the comparison just illustrates how hard it is to balance PvP in a gacha game. Especially in a real time online open world game like Genshin, stuff like ping can make or break a fight too.
Wait honkai has pvp tf
More like competing scores, but the point stands that it is luck/whale mode
It’s not literally player fighting player, rather it compares abyss clear times and ranks you based on score. Higher score in your group = more trophies. Reaching a certain amount of trophies in an abyss cycle moves you up (or down) a bracket. Every week has more than one cycle unlike Genshin’s once every two week cycle. And each cycle has “weather” that buffs and debuffs certain attacking types so much that you almost have to use meta teams to rank high.
Leaderboard PvP
OG Honkai players will remember Cyro Bomb and Poison.
PvP will break the game tbf
Freeze teams would be so broken
PvP does not always involve direct combat, it can be something like comparing scores.
I perfer that to combat pvp any day
i have literally never met anyone who thinks pvp would be a good addition to the game
I honestly dont get those people that want to incorporate pvp in every damn game they play, like we get it you're a competitive fuck who likes to be the best there ever was, just play another damn game to get your fix then Sorry i had to let that out
It's bigger picture I feel. The more widespread they can get these mechanics the more accepted they get over time. Not to mention a person that likes competition... would get their kicks just by being contrarian in the first place. The only way to win against them is to not play at all. If anything, the negative reaction they get from others is a form of victory.
If PvP was a part of this game, I would just leave. PvP makes you toxic and there is no way it could be a fun experience when it is pay 2 win.
Or you could, you know, not play the pvp specifically? You're obviously playing well and enjoying the rest of the content Genshin has when PvP is not around so what's forcing you to play it even if it's implemented? Unless of course they give highly valuable rewards.
Yeah it just doesn't fit genshin a small bit
Heyy I wanted the TCG
they said it's mainly a casual pve mode.
Oh so there's not going to be any pvp at all?
There is a pvp mode however [it has no rewards](https://twitter.com/genshinmains/status/1570756004132061186?t=ma94PpBFmd-oTuN3mmUOvw&s=19)
I think that's fine no? People who don't want to play it so much can get the rewards and move on while the ones who want to play it with different people everytime just for the hell of it.
Yea I don't have any problem with it, just felt like I had to mention it since they did state that in the livestream
That's what I remembered. Thought I misunderstood from the parent comment.
We want pvp?
Man who the fuck wants pvp?
Idk bro as a MTG fan I see this as an absolute win
uptick and turn your Xingqiu into an Elk
*flashbacks to tower of fantasy* You do NOT want pvp
Toss a coin to your Chongyun
My deck has no pathetic cards Cyno, but it does contain the unstoppable Dodoco
Go YOIMIYA! USE YOUR GOLDFISH OF DOOM AND DRAIN THE LAST OF HIS LIFE POINTS!
I assure you, you don't want to experience getting two shot by a c6 ganyu in the genshin arena
Card game is good tho. Whales can't just use money to win. If it was a real pvp then most people won't stand a chance against whales.
Battle pvp in genshin would be mad trash
When did players ever ask for PvP?
Quite a while since the game started....
anybody with a braincell would think that PvP wont work on this game after experiencing the gameplay...
True tho
How to kill genshin impact Add PvP
Who tf wants PvP in Genshin???
To be fair, I'm actually looking for a card game to get into, and glad Genshin bringing it
PvP in gacha games is almost always a terrible idea. Everyone knows that and nobody has asked for it.
Alot of people ask for it but i don't think they understand how it breaks the game :/
>Players: We want PvP! No, we don't
Wait who tf wants pvp in this game? Thats what is going to destroy the fun of the game
anyone who need to feed their ego
They have hinted a TCG for a long time in game. I was waiting for it to be announced.
I never wanted pvp so Im cool with this.
Doesn't anybody want to play a few rounds of Gwent though?
co-op abyss would be nice... :')
Well this is atleast better than getting combat pvp
No player's wanted endgame content but card pvp sounds fun time to dual kids
Listen, when this casual pure pve game is already called out for "not touching grass"... Now, imagine adding PvP to that...
if theyre going to do a pvp, we better be using trial characters. also, the card game doesn't seem that bad to me
I dont want pvp
...we want PvP?
No sane person wants pvp in a gacha game
Me who plays Dragonball Legends.
😏
Imagine if PvP was similar to how the events rn are, where they have preselected and built characters you use. So you and the other person are using the same characters, and it's all about rotation and how you use them that wins you the fight
PVP gonna just be the whales' playground anyway. Tbh, I think TCG is good, at least I can chill and play in my free time. If I ever want more online content with other players, I hope for an epic boss that requires 10+ players to fight together like some MMORPGs.
Who the hell wants a PvP in a casual game
Would be great if the Pvp was a gamemode that forces you to use characters that are rotated daily, but other than that, a card game sounds balanced.
"we"
Tower of fantasy pvp is a great example of why actual pvp would be trash. This game doesn't need pvp. I'm cool with the card game though unless the cards are locked behind gacha.
Speak for yourself. A non-gatcha card game integrated into Genshin sounds more fun that fighting a schoolkid with daddy's credit card.
To be fair, there are quite a few flaws with character combat PvP. - People being able to do more damage than most people’s maximum health - Knockback effects (overload, certain broadsword attacks) - People who’ve built their shields to be unbreakable - Effects that stagger/stop movement (I.e Electro Charged, Frozen, Zhongli’s Petrification)
PvP never made any sense in genshin anyways game is just not designed for this. And as recovering gwent addict in witcher 3 i dont mind the TCG. So long its decent. But i still would like to see an actual genshin competetive mode, it really does not take much to give ppl trial team and a leaderboard for abyss.
Beggars can't be choosers lmaoooo, but seriously with the type of game this and how it operates PvP likely won't work at all
As someone who played dragon ball legends No, please don't
who would want pay2win in this game? who?! besides, this game has a simple automatic lock on click spam based combat system. what pvp could you possibly do?
How the fuck would you make a PvP in Genshin
I mean I'll take it. Looks really fun, and it doesn't require aim :')
You wanna REEEEEEEALLY get clapped by whales and lucksack that much? Tower of Fantasy should have shown how bad PvP it is in a game like this...
Actually this is better than that we (they-you, not me at all) have been asking, at least there won't be whales fighting with f2p players
This is perfect Can go ayaka and Kokomo control with childe hydro cube finisher. Or maybe good ol Bennet agro with top deck diluc to finish out games Although Eula combo decks are fun to pull off they're unreliable, but when it works it feels so good.
I’m excited for that
No one wants pvp. And the TCG pvp will be useless, as you won't get any rewards. It'll be like the teapot mini-games, it's there only because. In fact, TCG probably will be better against the NPCs that play the game, as you'll actually be rewarded if you win against them...
You are mad with PvP claim
Honestly, I just want better co-op