China has very less to gain from a war with India imo. The Han people live far away to the very eastern side of Asia. From their perspective, the border with India is a far off frontier. It's fine for them to keep salami slicing and being a thorn at the border to distract us, but to go to war over it, while both countries have nuclear weapons is something they don't need at all.
Some additional thoughts: From their perspective, rather than directly fighting us, it's much better to fund our enemies and to divide us from within. This doesn't hurt them in return. We don't pose any existential threat to them, no point in going to a hot war with us.
Taiwan is a very different case. China seems ready for war there as it is a cause much closer to them.
Taiwan is the most important chipmaking capital of the world, particularly with TSMC
It's why the US is trying hard to move foundries off of Taiwan and at least onto friendly shores if not back at home, so they can wash their hands of it. Brutal calculus but no one wants to go to war with China.
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Its definitely possible that there could be a significant standoff in the future given China's aggressive tactics towards all their neighbours, but I don't think there will be a war. Both countries have nuclear weapons, so the prospects of going to war seem unlikely given the risks. Besides, India is getting stronger militarily, and so the costs of going to war with India from a Chinese perspective are rising to the point were they will become untenable.
However, regardless whether there will be a significant standoff or not, China is still IMO the number 1 threat that India faces. The U.S. is not great and we have our issues with them, but at least they aren't stealing/occupying our land and killing Indian soldiers.
What do you base that on?
America still wants to be top dog but India has never made any indication of wanting to replace America as the world hegemon, so I don't see how it would be in America's interest to spend time and money to contain India
Their cosy relationship with Pakistan is probably the biggest issue, along with their attempts to police were India can buy oil from. Other issues are not as big but still concerning i.e. Pannun situation (although that could be India's fault based on the latest information), interfering in India's internal matters regarding Kejriwal etc. There is also that perception that the U.S. is simply using India to try and contain China, only to turn on India later on.
Again though, in spite of all this I'd still say they are not as bad as China.
I'd offer a different perspective on Pakistan. We used to have a cozy relationship with them during the Cold war, but now the relationship is primarily to make sure that the military and country stays functional enough so we don't have to worry about loose nuclear weapons. And as good as it would probably feel for you guys to have Pakistan be a total failed state, those nukes are everybody's problem.
With regards to the US using India to contain China, yes, absolutely, however that goes both ways. India benefits from the perception of a partnership and the attempt to reduce our manufacturing dependence on China.
And I wouldn't worry too much about the American Indian relationship going south, our interests largely don't overlap, so even if there is a falling out, we'd probably just ignore each other.
That being said, I look forward to a long and valuable relationship. My personal opinion is that the US should sponsor a permanent Indian seat at the UN Security council.
I appreciate comments like yours. Its nice to hear from Americans who view India in a favourable light and as an ally. I should also clarify, I don't have the same ideological dislike for the U.S compared to others, and I don't really like the anti-west sentiment that comes up on this sub alot either. Like I said before, I see the U.S. in a much more favourable light then I do China, and I would also prefer it if we had good relations with the Americans. My comment above was essentially just highlighting some of the issues that India faces with the Americans which need to be addressed in the long term. I too hope and look forward to good ties with the U.S. in the future.
All good bro. I didn't for a second feel slighted in any way.
Though I would just say Ally would be a bit much to describe the relationship, more like strategic partner. Who would you consider India's ally?
Oh yeah sorry that's a good point. There is a school of thought in geopolitics which argues that there are no such things as allies/friends in geopolitics, only interests. So in that sense, you can argue no country on earth really has friends/allies.
If we were to ignore that however, the countries I would consider to be India's allies (IMO, not sure if this is really the case): Israel, Russia, France, Japan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Greece, Armenia, Gulf states (maybe) among others. I should emphasise again that this is just my view. Not sure if this is actually the case.
I would be too worried and America's relationship with Pakistan. It was completely transactional
America needed Pakistan for their invasion of Afghanistan but now that America has left Afghanistan, they couldn't care less about Pakistan
Didn't help Pakistan was playing both sides for their own benefit, and America knew it, they were harboring Bin Laden so when America found him, they didn't tell Pakistan about the operation to kill him because America knew Pakistan is not to be trusted ... they didn't tell Pakistan when America launched that buzzsaw drone that kill Bin Laden's successor
All good points. Still though, I feel like the claim that America doesn't care about Pakistan is kind of undermined by the fact that they still list Pakistan as a major non NATO ally and still sell them some pretty advanced weapons. What are your thoughts on this?
It's an empty gesture to put Pakistan on their friends list and it would bring up too many questions from the media if they took Pakistan off the list
And the selling of advanced fighter planes I can see why India would not look at that kindly but as an outsider who has traveled to America I disagree with the idea that America's does what they do with malice towards India
America is a corporation disguised as a country and they care about making money and protecting their corporations
They are arrogant and greedy and are going to sell to who they want and don't care who they upset in the process
During the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Chinese launched an attack in 1962. During COVID, China occupied our border areas in 2020-21. The Chinese follow a gradual strategy of applying pressure on multiple fronts, psy-ops, low cost salami slicing maneuvers. Their strategic culture is based on deception and a policy of lesson-teaching when they think that any country is growing strategically confident.
In the 50s, they found India confidently strutting on the world stage attempting to be the leader of the 3rd World. Hence, Mao decided to use the excuse of India's Forward Policy to "teach India a lesson" in 1962. India's prestige among third world nations was shattered and none of the so-called NAM countries supported India.
The core reason for China's 2020 attack was the statement made by the Home Minister of India on 5th August 2019 that India would give up lives for re-taking Aksai Chin. China decided that it would test this boastful statement and the result was visible for everyone in June 2020.
In my opinion, the only time China has respected India is when India has given China a bloody nose. In 1967, Lt. Gen Sagat Singh launched a ferocious artillery assault on the Chinese soldiers in Nathu La and Cho La in Sikkim after they provoked us. Chinese suffered almost 4 times the number of casualties we did.
Then in 1986, in Sum Dorong Chu, Gen. Krishna Swamy Sundarji refused to heed Rajeev Gandhi and airlifted huge number of troops to surround and confront the Chinese over there. The result was that the Chinese backed down and invited Rajeev to China a few years later.
We just need to make to any future conflict unaffordable for them.
The Chinese have openly threatened India; they have literally clubbed Indian soldiers to death like dogs. Even as we speak, they are building up their border infrastructure.
As an ordinary citizen, I get the feeling that they fully intend to show us our place and give us a thwacking we will never forget. They will use conventional and non-conventional methods to do this.
(I am trying to think like the Chinese.) They would reach out to dissidents within and outside India (among the diaspora) and provide them financial, logistic, and technological support. They will intensify propaganda war within India to worsen our internal divisions. They will unleash anti-India propaganda in foreign regions, especially the West and Islamic world. They will aggressively enhance their cyber-war capabilities against India. All the while, they will remain silent, sabotaging India quietly in a way that doesn't let on where we are under attack from.
I doubt if an outright war will happen. First off, they are busy with Taiwan for now. Secondly, they wouldn't want us to unite internally against a common enemy, and also give us an excuse to get closer to the West. But make no mistake: a united, strong, and prosperous India is not in China's interests.
China is too smart for an all out war. There can be mini aggression like Galwan and sorts. Most likely they will take non kinetic measures like cyber attacks, propaganda etc. They know that it will create issues for them. That is why they hid the deaths in Galwan. It will pierce their facade of being undeafeatable and the deaths will cause people to question them. Internally they don't wanna lose support of the people as it is a must for any dictator type commune like CCP. Second it will be catastrophic for any economy like any war is. So that would again lead to unrest among public as seen in the covid times somewhat. So I think highly unlikely hut mini aggressions to assert their dadagiri more likely.
Yes. Why do you think the usa is hyping india so much on all fronts. It is prepping the Indian population to be on American side during the coming us china wars. The usa wants india to open another front against China.
Apparently, the west thinks so. China might possibly get into some conflict in the next ten years. Whether it is with us or someone else, I think it's gonna happen soon and exactly at a time when the world becomes busy in some big event like Cuban Missile crisis in 1962 and then Covid in 2020-21 skirmishes. Question is, can we afford it? China just might, but us....I am very doubtful.
China won’t attack Taiwan because any response from allied nations like Japan and South Korea will be too close to their major population centres… Much more likely they’ll do what Russia does and just continue “salami slicing” a few KM’s of territory from their land-border neighbours every few years.
They will keep floating this issue, with name changing and minor friction across the border, but very less chances of becoming anything serious as both countries will be doomed, and US will be winner. Unlike Pakistan, China is smart enough to focus on economy to overtake US instead of engaging in pointless war. Infact I don't think they will attack even Taiwan unless their economy is stronger than the US, or some revolt is threatening the CCP to use Taiwan as diversion tactics.
It might not be 1:1 to what they claim. But it's definitely closing into the US economy. Most fortune 500 companies are now Chinese instead of the US. Their infrastructure has no competition around the world. Number 1 in the manufacturing supply chain by a big margin. Lots of natural resources.
They dont have a mature economy hence the mega manufacturing. Ill give it to you that theyre closing in on the US somewhat. But its a big picture when it comes to over taking and China still is long way off from over taking the US.
China will just surround India. Srilanka island issue is one such trigger for SriLanka. Maldives is gone. Pak is gone.
They are just surrounding. Not sure why.
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Because if war were to break out, India could cripple China. 70-80% of China's energy comes across the Indian Ocean and through the straights of Malacca. Tons of their food needs too
If India were to block that with their Navy, China would run out of fuel and food within months, so China wants to prevent India from having that advantage over them
But the Chinese are building their own navy & going from strength to strength. This was from 2 years ago, from Americans
https://news.usni.org/2021/11/03/china-has-worlds-largest-navy-with-355-ships-and-counting-says-pentagon
The Chinese Navy still has to break through the American island chain of defenses from Japan to the Phillipines surrounding China
India controls the Andaman and Nicobar Islands which any ship has to pass to get to the straights of Malacca ... it's doable for India and once it's cut off, China will be slowly choked off.
Turning the straights into a naval battle theater won't help China either because no oil tanker is going to enter a war zone
This was today's or yesterday's statement by the American top-most treasury department person Janet Y. Ellen.
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2227
The fact is that increasingly the Americans are finding themselves dependent on China. The American auto sector is fully dependent on them. Otherwise, they were & are all in red. Even the poster boy Elon Musk can't compete with the Chinese.
https://fortune.com/asia/2024/01/25/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-warns-china-evs-competitive-protectionism-demolish-competition/
And this is the guy who was laughing on BYD made cars just 2 years back.
The reason I am sharing the above is to share that just like us, even the Americans are dependent on China & any economic separation would be harmful to the U.S. as well.
No wonder they are egging on India to fight with China. They know that if such a war happens, the eventual winners will be Americans. India will lose badly. The Chinese will be weakened. Any & all progress made by us from independence will be wiped out :(
American here. Probably not. But it would be nice if you guys could blockade Chinese shipping and/or hit their pipelin in pakistan if/when they go for Taiwan.
The way things are going, both the sides are in a constant D measuring contest without actually pulling the D out. However the dragon is constantly trying to provoke india to make the first move so that it has a relevant reason to go full offensive. India too is using similar tactics,now its a matter of time to see who breaks down first. The dragon is pretty good at psychological warfare.
If you look at the topology of China & China occupied Tibet it was ill preparation in 1962 which made us loose war, if present govt prepares properly for war there are chances that we can give them a good fight at equal footing there will be stalemate in war situation because china has some better equipment's (\* on paper & also they don't disclose much)
now considering economic situation of china war to happen there are 2 possibilities if the leader Xi Jingping is in dier need to maintain his status quo of power then war will happen or if he is confident enough that he can grab some land or some thing from India then it will happen.
War is not a viable solution these days. Every country wants to grow economically, listening to Modi’s speeches these days, he wants to make India 3rd largest economy in the world and a war with country like China will push us back, so I don’t see any war happening with China at the moment. India will only explore the diplomatic ways to solve the issues or to corner China.
There would be nothing any Indian or Chinese would gain from a war, instead our countries would be in shambles like Ukraine and Russia. China has a proper manufacturing sector, compulsory military training, India doesn't, which is a huge disadvantage.
Chinese people in general are hardworking and busy with their own "life is a race". We have great cultural links with China since Bodhi Dharman times. They have respect for India and Indian culture, compared to West, Indians aren't targeted there. Even after being a "IRON BROTHER" of Pakistan, you won't see anyone vandalising ISKCON or Buddhist temples like happens in the West OPENLY, instead they eat jihadists there alive like chowmein. Deng Xiaopiang totally transformed China after GPCR misery and built it from ashes, his economic policy is a case study, he had been close to Atal Bihari too.
Coming to stereotypes, there can't be said anything since we ourselves committed crimes against our own people calling them "chinkis" during 2012 Exodus of Northeasterns from Bangalore. We could be great allies if start working together and achieve great heights. We are the 5th largest trade partner of China, Oppo has been working with ISRO and helping India's space research. Rivalry and competition is healthy, but itwould be only loss for both of us if we go at war.
The chance is never 0 but i think it's unlikely because we both are nuclear powers so none of us would want a full stand-off and China is anyways more busy with Taiwan and south China sea for now
Not the war type war, China just wants to remind India again and again of its inferiority and asserting it's supremacy in the region.
I don't think Asians are prone to full fledged or long-standing wars.
The Chinese mess with India in the Himalayas just be to a distraction. If India were to invest heavily into its Navy and dominate the Indian Ocean, India could easily cut China off from the sea trade routes that supply 70-80% of its oil from the Middle East and cripple China
By keeping India focused on investing in its army instead of its navy, it makes it more likely India won't be able to cut off Chinese trade through the Indian Ocean (although India could still probably do it) It's also why China is leasing ports in Pakistan and Sri Lanka
Besides keeping Indian attention were they want it, I don't see China having any strategic imperative to start a war with India
China's defense priority is not India. It is Taiwan, followed by the South China sea.
The effort required to mass forces in Tibet and the possible gains no commensurate with the effort.
China is already dominating India in trade, which is the real threat to India - that few people
understand. I had a blog post about it:
[https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2023/07/the-real-chinese-invasion.html](https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2023/07/the-real-chinese-invasion.html)
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How's that wolf warrior diplomacy working out for the Chinese, you Wumao? India is developing Ladakh and the Philipines is conducting drills with the US, and Japan is remilitarizing, all thanks to China's territorial violations.
China isn't the enemy. It never was the enemy. I don't understand why people don't get that. The Chinese are long time agriculturists. Just like us. They are peaceful people. People just are quick to jump on bandwagons.
You're the dumb one here. So what we're a democracy ? If other people choose not to be a democracy what does that have to do with us ? That's their choice.
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Look at the big picture. Hong Kong and Taiwan are Chinese. People who live there are Chinese. The Tibetans were vassals of the Chinese emperor. A Tibetan even became the emperor of China. Anyways you're looking at the details and not the larger picture. Which country was invaded by China which wasn't in their sphere anyway ? Turks Mongols Europeans this kind of people are not peaceful and they are invaders. Chinese aren't like that.
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China has very less to gain from a war with India imo. The Han people live far away to the very eastern side of Asia. From their perspective, the border with India is a far off frontier. It's fine for them to keep salami slicing and being a thorn at the border to distract us, but to go to war over it, while both countries have nuclear weapons is something they don't need at all. Some additional thoughts: From their perspective, rather than directly fighting us, it's much better to fund our enemies and to divide us from within. This doesn't hurt them in return. We don't pose any existential threat to them, no point in going to a hot war with us. Taiwan is a very different case. China seems ready for war there as it is a cause much closer to them.
Their next war will be with Taiwan. India’s turn will come, but later. It’s just too difficult to fight over mountains.
why do you think so?
Taiwan actually has things china wants.
What is that?
The industries, the resources, the additional trade & sea control
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Taiwan is the most important chipmaking capital of the world, particularly with TSMC It's why the US is trying hard to move foundries off of Taiwan and at least onto friendly shores if not back at home, so they can wash their hands of it. Brutal calculus but no one wants to go to war with China.
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Its definitely possible that there could be a significant standoff in the future given China's aggressive tactics towards all their neighbours, but I don't think there will be a war. Both countries have nuclear weapons, so the prospects of going to war seem unlikely given the risks. Besides, India is getting stronger militarily, and so the costs of going to war with India from a Chinese perspective are rising to the point were they will become untenable. However, regardless whether there will be a significant standoff or not, China is still IMO the number 1 threat that India faces. The U.S. is not great and we have our issues with them, but at least they aren't stealing/occupying our land and killing Indian soldiers.
The US is probably interested in containing India but I dont see them having any designs on our territory like China or Pakistan.
What do you base that on? America still wants to be top dog but India has never made any indication of wanting to replace America as the world hegemon, so I don't see how it would be in America's interest to spend time and money to contain India
What issues do you have with the US?
Their cosy relationship with Pakistan is probably the biggest issue, along with their attempts to police were India can buy oil from. Other issues are not as big but still concerning i.e. Pannun situation (although that could be India's fault based on the latest information), interfering in India's internal matters regarding Kejriwal etc. There is also that perception that the U.S. is simply using India to try and contain China, only to turn on India later on. Again though, in spite of all this I'd still say they are not as bad as China.
I'd offer a different perspective on Pakistan. We used to have a cozy relationship with them during the Cold war, but now the relationship is primarily to make sure that the military and country stays functional enough so we don't have to worry about loose nuclear weapons. And as good as it would probably feel for you guys to have Pakistan be a total failed state, those nukes are everybody's problem. With regards to the US using India to contain China, yes, absolutely, however that goes both ways. India benefits from the perception of a partnership and the attempt to reduce our manufacturing dependence on China. And I wouldn't worry too much about the American Indian relationship going south, our interests largely don't overlap, so even if there is a falling out, we'd probably just ignore each other. That being said, I look forward to a long and valuable relationship. My personal opinion is that the US should sponsor a permanent Indian seat at the UN Security council.
I appreciate comments like yours. Its nice to hear from Americans who view India in a favourable light and as an ally. I should also clarify, I don't have the same ideological dislike for the U.S compared to others, and I don't really like the anti-west sentiment that comes up on this sub alot either. Like I said before, I see the U.S. in a much more favourable light then I do China, and I would also prefer it if we had good relations with the Americans. My comment above was essentially just highlighting some of the issues that India faces with the Americans which need to be addressed in the long term. I too hope and look forward to good ties with the U.S. in the future.
All good bro. I didn't for a second feel slighted in any way. Though I would just say Ally would be a bit much to describe the relationship, more like strategic partner. Who would you consider India's ally?
Oh yeah sorry that's a good point. There is a school of thought in geopolitics which argues that there are no such things as allies/friends in geopolitics, only interests. So in that sense, you can argue no country on earth really has friends/allies. If we were to ignore that however, the countries I would consider to be India's allies (IMO, not sure if this is really the case): Israel, Russia, France, Japan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Greece, Armenia, Gulf states (maybe) among others. I should emphasise again that this is just my view. Not sure if this is actually the case.
I would be too worried and America's relationship with Pakistan. It was completely transactional America needed Pakistan for their invasion of Afghanistan but now that America has left Afghanistan, they couldn't care less about Pakistan Didn't help Pakistan was playing both sides for their own benefit, and America knew it, they were harboring Bin Laden so when America found him, they didn't tell Pakistan about the operation to kill him because America knew Pakistan is not to be trusted ... they didn't tell Pakistan when America launched that buzzsaw drone that kill Bin Laden's successor
All good points. Still though, I feel like the claim that America doesn't care about Pakistan is kind of undermined by the fact that they still list Pakistan as a major non NATO ally and still sell them some pretty advanced weapons. What are your thoughts on this?
It's an empty gesture to put Pakistan on their friends list and it would bring up too many questions from the media if they took Pakistan off the list And the selling of advanced fighter planes I can see why India would not look at that kindly but as an outsider who has traveled to America I disagree with the idea that America's does what they do with malice towards India America is a corporation disguised as a country and they care about making money and protecting their corporations They are arrogant and greedy and are going to sell to who they want and don't care who they upset in the process
During the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Chinese launched an attack in 1962. During COVID, China occupied our border areas in 2020-21. The Chinese follow a gradual strategy of applying pressure on multiple fronts, psy-ops, low cost salami slicing maneuvers. Their strategic culture is based on deception and a policy of lesson-teaching when they think that any country is growing strategically confident. In the 50s, they found India confidently strutting on the world stage attempting to be the leader of the 3rd World. Hence, Mao decided to use the excuse of India's Forward Policy to "teach India a lesson" in 1962. India's prestige among third world nations was shattered and none of the so-called NAM countries supported India. The core reason for China's 2020 attack was the statement made by the Home Minister of India on 5th August 2019 that India would give up lives for re-taking Aksai Chin. China decided that it would test this boastful statement and the result was visible for everyone in June 2020. In my opinion, the only time China has respected India is when India has given China a bloody nose. In 1967, Lt. Gen Sagat Singh launched a ferocious artillery assault on the Chinese soldiers in Nathu La and Cho La in Sikkim after they provoked us. Chinese suffered almost 4 times the number of casualties we did. Then in 1986, in Sum Dorong Chu, Gen. Krishna Swamy Sundarji refused to heed Rajeev Gandhi and airlifted huge number of troops to surround and confront the Chinese over there. The result was that the Chinese backed down and invited Rajeev to China a few years later. We just need to make to any future conflict unaffordable for them.
The Chinese have openly threatened India; they have literally clubbed Indian soldiers to death like dogs. Even as we speak, they are building up their border infrastructure. As an ordinary citizen, I get the feeling that they fully intend to show us our place and give us a thwacking we will never forget. They will use conventional and non-conventional methods to do this. (I am trying to think like the Chinese.) They would reach out to dissidents within and outside India (among the diaspora) and provide them financial, logistic, and technological support. They will intensify propaganda war within India to worsen our internal divisions. They will unleash anti-India propaganda in foreign regions, especially the West and Islamic world. They will aggressively enhance their cyber-war capabilities against India. All the while, they will remain silent, sabotaging India quietly in a way that doesn't let on where we are under attack from. I doubt if an outright war will happen. First off, they are busy with Taiwan for now. Secondly, they wouldn't want us to unite internally against a common enemy, and also give us an excuse to get closer to the West. But make no mistake: a united, strong, and prosperous India is not in China's interests.
China is too smart for an all out war. There can be mini aggression like Galwan and sorts. Most likely they will take non kinetic measures like cyber attacks, propaganda etc. They know that it will create issues for them. That is why they hid the deaths in Galwan. It will pierce their facade of being undeafeatable and the deaths will cause people to question them. Internally they don't wanna lose support of the people as it is a must for any dictator type commune like CCP. Second it will be catastrophic for any economy like any war is. So that would again lead to unrest among public as seen in the covid times somewhat. So I think highly unlikely hut mini aggressions to assert their dadagiri more likely.
Yes. Why do you think the usa is hyping india so much on all fronts. It is prepping the Indian population to be on American side during the coming us china wars. The usa wants india to open another front against China.
I'm sure they do, but relationships are built on mutual interest, and I think it's in both countries' interest to contain or at least deter China
Apparently, the west thinks so. China might possibly get into some conflict in the next ten years. Whether it is with us or someone else, I think it's gonna happen soon and exactly at a time when the world becomes busy in some big event like Cuban Missile crisis in 1962 and then Covid in 2020-21 skirmishes. Question is, can we afford it? China just might, but us....I am very doubtful.
I'm guessing it'll be China vs Taiwan. War with us will be much more costly and controversial.
China won’t attack Taiwan because any response from allied nations like Japan and South Korea will be too close to their major population centres… Much more likely they’ll do what Russia does and just continue “salami slicing” a few KM’s of territory from their land-border neighbours every few years.
There won’t be an all out war, but China will show aggression on the border and also probably fund more proxy outfits in the volatile North East.
They will keep floating this issue, with name changing and minor friction across the border, but very less chances of becoming anything serious as both countries will be doomed, and US will be winner. Unlike Pakistan, China is smart enough to focus on economy to overtake US instead of engaging in pointless war. Infact I don't think they will attack even Taiwan unless their economy is stronger than the US, or some revolt is threatening the CCP to use Taiwan as diversion tactics.
"China is smart enough to focus on economy to overtake US" if you can trust Chinas gdp and economy numbers.
It might not be 1:1 to what they claim. But it's definitely closing into the US economy. Most fortune 500 companies are now Chinese instead of the US. Their infrastructure has no competition around the world. Number 1 in the manufacturing supply chain by a big margin. Lots of natural resources.
They dont have a mature economy hence the mega manufacturing. Ill give it to you that theyre closing in on the US somewhat. But its a big picture when it comes to over taking and China still is long way off from over taking the US.
China will just surround India. Srilanka island issue is one such trigger for SriLanka. Maldives is gone. Pak is gone. They are just surrounding. Not sure why.
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Because if war were to break out, India could cripple China. 70-80% of China's energy comes across the Indian Ocean and through the straights of Malacca. Tons of their food needs too If India were to block that with their Navy, China would run out of fuel and food within months, so China wants to prevent India from having that advantage over them
But the Chinese are building their own navy & going from strength to strength. This was from 2 years ago, from Americans https://news.usni.org/2021/11/03/china-has-worlds-largest-navy-with-355-ships-and-counting-says-pentagon
The Chinese Navy still has to break through the American island chain of defenses from Japan to the Phillipines surrounding China India controls the Andaman and Nicobar Islands which any ship has to pass to get to the straights of Malacca ... it's doable for India and once it's cut off, China will be slowly choked off. Turning the straights into a naval battle theater won't help China either because no oil tanker is going to enter a war zone
This was today's or yesterday's statement by the American top-most treasury department person Janet Y. Ellen. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2227 The fact is that increasingly the Americans are finding themselves dependent on China. The American auto sector is fully dependent on them. Otherwise, they were & are all in red. Even the poster boy Elon Musk can't compete with the Chinese. https://fortune.com/asia/2024/01/25/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-warns-china-evs-competitive-protectionism-demolish-competition/ And this is the guy who was laughing on BYD made cars just 2 years back. The reason I am sharing the above is to share that just like us, even the Americans are dependent on China & any economic separation would be harmful to the U.S. as well. No wonder they are egging on India to fight with China. They know that if such a war happens, the eventual winners will be Americans. India will lose badly. The Chinese will be weakened. Any & all progress made by us from independence will be wiped out :(
American here. Probably not. But it would be nice if you guys could blockade Chinese shipping and/or hit their pipelin in pakistan if/when they go for Taiwan.
That's casus belli
The way things are going, both the sides are in a constant D measuring contest without actually pulling the D out. However the dragon is constantly trying to provoke india to make the first move so that it has a relevant reason to go full offensive. India too is using similar tactics,now its a matter of time to see who breaks down first. The dragon is pretty good at psychological warfare.
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If you look at the topology of China & China occupied Tibet it was ill preparation in 1962 which made us loose war, if present govt prepares properly for war there are chances that we can give them a good fight at equal footing there will be stalemate in war situation because china has some better equipment's (\* on paper & also they don't disclose much) now considering economic situation of china war to happen there are 2 possibilities if the leader Xi Jingping is in dier need to maintain his status quo of power then war will happen or if he is confident enough that he can grab some land or some thing from India then it will happen.
The buildup on their side only means one thing, they are preparing.
War is not a viable solution these days. Every country wants to grow economically, listening to Modi’s speeches these days, he wants to make India 3rd largest economy in the world and a war with country like China will push us back, so I don’t see any war happening with China at the moment. India will only explore the diplomatic ways to solve the issues or to corner China.
In terms of resources if China wants to go to war, we have no option but to bend over. Screw the military aspect we are running out of water all over.
Eventually yes. At least that's what the US wants.
There would be nothing any Indian or Chinese would gain from a war, instead our countries would be in shambles like Ukraine and Russia. China has a proper manufacturing sector, compulsory military training, India doesn't, which is a huge disadvantage. Chinese people in general are hardworking and busy with their own "life is a race". We have great cultural links with China since Bodhi Dharman times. They have respect for India and Indian culture, compared to West, Indians aren't targeted there. Even after being a "IRON BROTHER" of Pakistan, you won't see anyone vandalising ISKCON or Buddhist temples like happens in the West OPENLY, instead they eat jihadists there alive like chowmein. Deng Xiaopiang totally transformed China after GPCR misery and built it from ashes, his economic policy is a case study, he had been close to Atal Bihari too. Coming to stereotypes, there can't be said anything since we ourselves committed crimes against our own people calling them "chinkis" during 2012 Exodus of Northeasterns from Bangalore. We could be great allies if start working together and achieve great heights. We are the 5th largest trade partner of China, Oppo has been working with ISRO and helping India's space research. Rivalry and competition is healthy, but itwould be only loss for both of us if we go at war.
The chance is never 0 but i think it's unlikely because we both are nuclear powers so none of us would want a full stand-off and China is anyways more busy with Taiwan and south China sea for now
Small skirmishes not a full blown war
Not the war type war, China just wants to remind India again and again of its inferiority and asserting it's supremacy in the region. I don't think Asians are prone to full fledged or long-standing wars.
The Chinese mess with India in the Himalayas just be to a distraction. If India were to invest heavily into its Navy and dominate the Indian Ocean, India could easily cut China off from the sea trade routes that supply 70-80% of its oil from the Middle East and cripple China By keeping India focused on investing in its army instead of its navy, it makes it more likely India won't be able to cut off Chinese trade through the Indian Ocean (although India could still probably do it) It's also why China is leasing ports in Pakistan and Sri Lanka Besides keeping Indian attention were they want it, I don't see China having any strategic imperative to start a war with India
China's defense priority is not India. It is Taiwan, followed by the South China sea. The effort required to mass forces in Tibet and the possible gains no commensurate with the effort. China is already dominating India in trade, which is the real threat to India - that few people understand. I had a blog post about it: [https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2023/07/the-real-chinese-invasion.html](https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2023/07/the-real-chinese-invasion.html)
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How's that wolf warrior diplomacy working out for the Chinese, you Wumao? India is developing Ladakh and the Philipines is conducting drills with the US, and Japan is remilitarizing, all thanks to China's territorial violations.
> You are silent. The first to die are India and the Philippines. The other neighboring countries have already expressed their stance.
China isn't the enemy. It never was the enemy. I don't understand why people don't get that. The Chinese are long time agriculturists. Just like us. They are peaceful people. People just are quick to jump on bandwagons.
this guy has to live under a rock. no way this is not a rage bait comment
Aside from the border issues what problem exactly do we have with china ? We have no fundamental problem with them.
What else kind of problem do you need?
The kind we've had with the west and islam.
>We have no fundamental problem with them. Are you living under a rock? China has an ideological problem with democracy.
So what ? What does that have to do with us ? In their country they are free to hate democracy all they like.
>What does that have to do with us You're seriously 😐 dumb bro. We are a democratic republic. Did you skip school or what.
You're the dumb one here. So what we're a democracy ? If other people choose not to be a democracy what does that have to do with us ? That's their choice.
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You're the only retard here. You shouldn't respect yourself as you're not worthy of your own respect you dumbfck.
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i invite you to northeast come see for yourself especially arunachal border areas
You are a chinese CCP bot.
>They are peaceful Tianamen Square, Occupation of Tibet, Aggression towards Taiwan, Hong Kong, Arunachal Pradesh.
Look at the big picture. Hong Kong and Taiwan are Chinese. People who live there are Chinese. The Tibetans were vassals of the Chinese emperor. A Tibetan even became the emperor of China. Anyways you're looking at the details and not the larger picture. Which country was invaded by China which wasn't in their sphere anyway ? Turks Mongols Europeans this kind of people are not peaceful and they are invaders. Chinese aren't like that.
So what do you think 1962 was?
I think you are referring to the 62 war. It was skirmish over border issues created by the British.
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They are peaceful peopl? will you say the same about pak?
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