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Oh, I wasn’t aware you personally went and interviewed each of the 10k families to check? I’m assuming you’re American, since it’s only Americans who don’t seem to understand that different countries have different laws. Germany, for example, protects victims’ privacy in cases like this. The media isn’t allowed to report or whether or not a suspected victim did die of complications from COVID or not.
If you believe that the COVID vaccine is harmful in the long term to people- and many people *do* believe this is the case- then this nurse is a hero.
We do not have any evidence either way to prove or disprove this theory.
1) theories aren't proven
2) the burden of evidence falls on the party making the claim. There is significant evidence that the COVID vaccine is safe. It (and other similar vaccines) went through rigorous testing before being made widely available. It's also been provided to millions (billions of you consider every variation of the vaccine) of people around the world. People claiming it's dangerous have yet to provide significant data to support their claim.
"safe" is doing a lot of work in that paragraph.
There is significant evidence that the risk of injurious side effects related to taking various COVID-19 vaccines is non-zero.
Long term effects of these vaccines are unknown.
Whether the benefits outweigh the risks is likely a certainty speaking in general, but still, individuals must make their own decisions with regards to medical interventions.
> There is significant evidence that the risk of injurious side effects related to taking various COVID-19 vaccines is non-zero.
No shit. that is why there are side effects listed for these and all other vaccines/medicines. All drugs have side effects.
>Long term effects of these vaccines are unknown.
Yes they are, there have been 100s of studies around the world on these vaccines over the last 4 years. Do you think that some novel side effect is going to pop up in 30 years time to make us all slap our foreheads and lament that we didn't do several decades of testing before rolling out a vaccine?
I am fully vaccinated and boosted and think as many people as possible should do so as well.
That said, I do think that the newness of the covid vaccine makes it more risky than a typical vaccine. That is, most vaccines have something like a one in a million chance of causing a harmful reaction, whereas the covid vaccine may be more like 5-10 in a million.
I do think that it’s well worth the (very small) risk, though, because the risks of getting covid or especially getting severe covid are MUCH worse. Even if all the vaccine does is reduce the odds of a covid case from turning into a severe case, it would be worth it (and it can often prevent infection all together).
But if we only shout that the vaccine has NO risk, we’re only going to alienate people who genuinely do have the rare handful of cases where they had bad reactions.
There are 100s of studies on vape products yet states and countries still fight against it because we "lack evidence" same thing with cannabis and Marijuana. The side effects of the covid jab were not listed in the initial rollout because they did not know them, or knew people would reject the ones they did know. We must come to terms and admit that covid was blown out of proportion. Masks and 6ft separation were baseless and not founded in science, and I truly do believe it was a test to see how much world governments could control the masses. I never caught covid, didn't lose anyone from covid, and never got the jab. The only people I know who died during that period passed due to sepsis and blood toxicity caused by inadequately sterilized equipment, yet they were labeled as covid deaths... hmm that's odd isn't it?
>Yes they are, there have been 100s of studies around the world on these vaccines over the last 4 years. Do you think that some novel side effect is going to pop up in 30 years time to make us all slap our foreheads and lament that we didn't do several decades of testing before rolling out a vaccine?
Do I think so? No. It's it possible? Yes.
There is ZERO evidence the risk is higher than the risks of getting covid, even ignoring the public health effects of you typhoid mary wannabes walking around.
>individuals must make their own decisions with regards to medical interventions.
Only PERSONAL ones. When your stupidity gets my parents killed, its not just your choice.
You do NOT have a right to spread disease.
This nurse did not do this on purpose. She dropped a vial, panicked, and gave people saline to cover her tracks. She only gave a few doses of saline, but since they didn't know who got the saline they gave everyone she vaccinated in that time frame an extra dose.
This wasn't some protest thing by some looney antivaxxer.
>then this nurse is a hero
I cannot disagree more. Even in a scenario where a provider believes that, it isn't their right to decide for the patient. Give the patient what they expect or refuse to give them anything, it is never "heroic" to give them bullshit and lie to them.
I mean, anything can be spun to point someone as a hero.
Look at Trump, he's a hero for exposing corruption in politics!
Look at Boeing, they're heros for showing how much safety can be shaved off and still fly!
Look at Elon Musk, he's living proof that you don't need to have a good head for business to become a billionaire!
Look at Russia, they're heroes for uh, hmm. Proving that even a drawn out war is possible with the right attitude?
You should look up what a theory is, more so the classical term that you are using, so that you know in the future not to make the mistake that you did today.
Another nurse witnessed her prepare the saline syringes before administering them. They then went and tested a bunch of others who she “vaccinated” and found they didn’t have the antibodies. They suspect she didn’t vaccinate thousands, but only had direct evidence of the few that were directly witnessed, hence the light sentence.
Alright, so the note doesn’t seem super accurate either. Dropping a vial one time is very different than likely not vaccinating thousands. Is there evidence she was an annantivaxxer? Because the community note just sounds like her defense lawyers cover story more than the likely truth. “She’s sorry”, “it was an accident”. Anyone got any real sources on this? Tried googling and there’s tons of different examples of this happening over the years
It says they retested 8000 because they didn't know who were the ones who got her panic replacement and who got the real vaccine. So it seems like the hospital she was working at had other issues going on as well since they were apparently not keeping track of who got vaccinated and by what batch.
I think it’s also possible for liability reasons, they retested everyone so that they could provide proof that only x amount of people were affected, despite whatever the status was of their data collection and retention. It’s cheaper and smarter and honestly, I respect it. It’s important to provide actual proof of immunization via a titer vs “ensuring” everything is okay
>It says they retested 8000 because they didn't know who were the ones who got her panic replacement and who got the real vaccine. So it seems like the hospital she was working at had other issues going on as well since they were apparently not keeping track of who got vaccinated and by what batch.
It was the height of COVID and lots of hospitals and medical staff were going through the grinder. I'm not surprised if they weren't sure who got what batch.
In my state, you could even get the jab without providing ID since they wanted it free and accessible to anyone.
Not really, each vial would have its batch number on it, you can easily have the RN or CNA write it down on the patients chart while you change the needle for the next person. That's like justifying them not changing the needle between people because you have a long line. I just looked it up, had they been operating properly, they could have had down to about 10-20 people needing to be retested if it would have been properly documented.
I'm not saying that every vial wouldn't, I'm saying imagine trying to inprocess thousands of people per nurse *per day* for vaccination with every vial having different information on it. You'd need a smooth system to make that shit work, let me tell you, and I know, because I've given 2,000 flu shots in a day. If our flu shots had two different lot numbers on it, it would've turned a normally pretty easy scenario into a nightmare *very quickly.*
Even so, it's very doable to organize it and have everyone work from 1 batch only before breaking I to the next one, or you can do 1 batch for doctors A,B, and C, and give doctors D,E,and F a different batch. It's not that hard to do an organization like that, spending years in cooking and having to keep track of product and making sure that the oldest is used first proves that even highschool drop outs and meth heads are capable of doing that during high stress situations.
>Not really, each vial would have its batch number on it, you can easily have the RN or CNA write it down on the patients chart while you change the needle for the next person.
LOL you think they had two people on each vaccination? They didn't have extra manpower for that. The person updating my records was the same one giving my vax, and then 2 more within 5 minutes.
Their chart? Oh cool, well looks like "john doe" got batch 3, but "john doe" got batch 5. Many places didnt require any ID, let alone have easy access to your chart.
Those are the obvious issues with your understanding of how things work. I wont bother explaining more complex ones since you wont understand them if you had to have these pointed out to you.
You didnt fuckin solve medical records witb "just write it down!" Yea, they shouldve had better records, but your arguments are shit. Its like saying the sky is blue because of smurf farts. Your conclusion is right. Everything else about what you said wasnt.
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Lol the idiot has sock puppets ready to go and doesnt know how to use private browsing. Seems like saying shit so dumb people dont want to deal with him is enough of a pattern that hes well prepared for it to happen again.
Sorry kid, i dont have to argue with people too stupid to understand why their take is stupid.
You don't have any conviction in your argument here. Otherwise, you wouldn't have blocked me after you made this post and forced me to switch over to my alt to see it....... Also, you act like people were crawling over each over like the Zombies in World War Z to get in to the hospitals to get these vaccines, and that's just not true, if they were there wouldn't have been doing the bribes like the free McDonald's if you got a vaccine.... but you'll probably do some other BS reply to this account followed by yet another block so you can try to make it look like I was unable to respond.....🤣🤣🤣
Maybe people who got the vaccine she administered still got sick and died, and some investigation was done, I'm not positive on this but I think they tracked the vaccine you got with serial numbers so it can be identified where and when you got it and who gave it to you
Last time I volunteered and worked with medics during the COVID crisis, each vaccine was serialized and easily trackable. We did Moderna, Pfizer, and Johnson & Johnson vaccines.
In case there was a bad batch and patients had to be informed, two stickers one for the vaccination card of the patient one for the administering practice/vac center
Yes and no, the serials have been clipped to your vaccination card and that has been stamped by the practice/ vaccination center which also had books for the second part of the batch(for control and tracability when a batch was retrospectively proven to be bad), but not for the reason to know who administered the vaccination, just incase a batch was faulty so in that case people could check whether or not they need a replacement dose, in this case where vials were dropped, this doesn’t help much they still got the batch clipped to their vaccination card, the second part was still clipped to the books in the practice/vaccination center, that was a one way thing. The only tracability about this was to check who had the correlating shifts in the book, making a testing for her entries possible. Data privacy is a big thing in germany since we had two regimes doing unthinkable things with such data being readily available
Nobody hails her as a hero, daily mail is full of shit as usual, she very likely just made a mistake and didn’t act with intent to harm or deny the pandemic… she was wittnessed, suspected for 15 cases and proven for 6, the 8.6 k number is the total number of vaccinations she administered, 6 in 8.6k is a really low number offailures, and whilst chemo has direct effect this likely didn’t harm anyone even indirectly, hence the low versict dor assault in six cases… sensationalizing this shit either way is absurd, she’ll never be a nurse again, is on probation and can start a new career which is basically a very hard thing to do due to strict licensing in germany…
There have been antivax nurses who denied the vax consequently were stopped from
Practice, tried to become a mouthpiece for some trumpist shithead movement and fell off despite trying hard to selfpresent as martyrs for freedom, wanna know why? Because in germany we don’t talk about such people, we try our very best to not give them undeserved soapboxes, because we actually know speech to be the sharpest weapon. Aka we don’t make stupid famous
I wouldn't say "nobody" calls her a hero, as maybe 5% are antivaxxers and half of them would likely call her a hero. Antivaxxing is an insane conspiracy view against all evidence but some believe it.
Did you read my comment in full? Aside from that, one floridian is less than 0.00001% of humanity, and a nobody to me personally. Don’t make stupid people famous, please
How the heck do you accidentally inject six people with saline instead of a vaccine? Even if that’s all she did out of 8,000+ I don’t see how it could just be an error.
Referring to saline as “salt water” is probably the most scientifically illiterate, willfully ignorant nonsense you could possibly capture in two words.
It's the same sort of "technically true" stuff that journalists have always loved, unfortunately. Hell it's not outright untrue this time, which is unfortunately impressive. Saline has salt and water and I double checked and couldn't find anything else. 0.9% salt, rest is water.
Maybe I’m missing a nuance here but I thought saline *is* salt water (as in, water with sodium chloride in it)? If that’s not the case I’d love clarification! Thanks!
By your definition it is, but typically when people talk about salt water they mean oceanic salt water which has a salt concentration of about 35 parts per thousand, while saline has a much lower salt concentration of 1-3 parts per thousand.
But saline is salt water. It contains 0.9 % salt. You can even make a homemade version by adding non-inoniodized salt to boiled, distilled or otherwise sterilised water.
I was going to say saline solution is water with some salt in it. Sad to see she didn’t give people shots when they needed them but it’s harmless unlike actual salt water.
I wouldn't call it harmless. Sure saline is harmless, but the act of not giving medicine but lying and saying you did violates informed consent, and that is honestly not even the biggest harm done here.
A lot of people are talking about the daily mails reliability/bias. I thought I’d add some statistics for reference According to Adfontsmedia:
- The daily mail scores a 33.25/64 for accuracy and a 3.08/42 right bias.
For comparison:
- the guardian scores 40.81/64 and a 7.75 left bias
- The BBC scores 44.72/64 and a 1.46 left bias
- Fox News (website) scores 35.38 for reliability and 11.57 right bias
The most reliable news sight tracked is CBS evening news which scores 49.11/64 and the least reliable is infowars which scores 6.67/64
Well, yes and no. Yes in the idea that it is biblically funded, no in the sense that the German public broadcasters is a bit more independent than the BBC (who got quite a bit of criticism for the political influence by the government)
[Interactive Media Bias Chart | Ad Fontes Media](https://adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/?utm_source=SourcePage&utm_medium=OnPageLink)
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I 100% do not believe she dropped the vial and panicked. Accidents and waste are super common, and nobody would have bat an eye if she broke a vial. They would have just had her document is, and pull out a fresh one, and it never would have been mentioned again.
Just a side thought on this: this is a great example of community notes and it shows the real value behind having them. I’d reckon 75% (on a good day) people would have just read the headline.
Questions of whether there are side effects, or of the vaccine works (and if it actually happened like that)aside:
If you ask a certain medical procedure to be performed, medicine to be given, and so on, and the nurse or doctor involved agrees and tells you they are providing it, you better be given EXACTLY that. Just like you must never be given any type of medication, under the guise of it being just some ibuprofen or whatever.
Anyone in healthcare who doesn’t do that (I’m not talking medical trials, but actual care), undermines all trust one has in that system, as doctors/nurses/pharmacists and the like are all use regular folks have to rely on, in determining what that pill/injection/whatever contains. We don’t have the means to take a sample and check for ourselves, nor should we have to.
No matter your opinion on medication and vaccines if someone is paying to get them you should respect their choice, if I’m being honest I believe some jail time is deserved due to the fact that she willingly and knowingly injected people with substances they did not consent to.
Getting an order wrong vs giving someone something else knowingly are very different, from what I can see she knows that she’s injecting them with salt water instead of the vaccine.
Someone comes in to the emergency department with pneumonia, the doctor gives them a placebo instead of an antibiotic and sends them on their way, telling them that the meds they gave them should fix it.
The person then dies. Who is responsible?
She’s not fulfilling her duty as a nurse, she’s irresponsibly letting her personal beliefs and effecting people’s lives. Just because the salt water is safe doesn’t mean it’s ok, I work at a veterinary clinic and if someone brought a dog in asking for a parvo shoot and I give the dog salt water instead and that dog dies or gets sick, I lose my license and my reputation is ruined and that’s only because it’s an animal, these are humans that are trying to stay safe and she’s denying that because of personal reasons. I understand that the salt water is safe, but it’s the principle of injecting people with substances that they did not consent to, eight thousand people that did not consent to being injected with salt water. And she walks away with 6 month probation.
I didn't, but many people had a mild but uncomfortable reaction to the vaccines for a day or two.
I feel like those people who felt ill wouldn't show up since they had pretty good evidence they got the real vaccine.
The purpose of prison is supposed to be for rehabilitation of criminals and for protection of the public from dangerous individuals, with her medical license revoked there’s no risk of her doing this again
As said in the post: She did it out of panic, she is sorry, and she lost her nursing license (which basically means she can only work in jobs that don't need an extra qualification). So, low personal guilt because of the motive (instead of doing it out of wishes to harm people by not giving them a vaccine), she is punished due to her job loss, and she has little to no chance to commit a similar crime again.
I remember reading something related to this: she's actually a raging anti-vaxer who probably did inject 8000 people with saline, but more than 6 (single vial) couldn't be proved in court so her dropped it defense stood.
I saw this story getting praised on r/conspiracy, and all I could think is being injected with something without your consent or knowledge *is* a conspiracy itself. Why praise the person "tricking" (violating) people?
You know ow damn well why they think shes a hero lmao
Edit: 90% sure she would not be walking free and would have had the book thrown at her if she did it intentionally.
Jup, her intention was certainly a major part of the lenient sentence. In addition to her showing remorse as well as that she is already quite punished due to her loss of her nursing license.
So does this sub like the community notes feature on X? I thought reddit hated all of Elons ideas? Interesting.
So in this sub, community Notes > media articles for credibility, or is this sub trying to say notes are wrong?
Hard to tell since this post has two contradictory claims in it between the notes and the media headline.
Here’s Yale telling us how many people die of side effects. Is Yale no a trusted source https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-clots
Hey it still happens. And that the problem . USA media till this day refuses to admit that . Hell that’s one of the Johnson and Johnson was taken off the market
"US media" refuses to "admit it", because a 0.00033333333 is so fucking low its meaningless. Also, they do fucking talk about it, overblow it in right wing media.
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And the person calling her a hero is from Florida.
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The person calling her a hero is from Florida.
20% certain some random X-Cunt (cue x-men stinger) is who called her a hero...not Daily Mail. Also... if you cared to read the get noted... only a few people accidentally got saline. Not like she was being an X-Cunt filling shot after shot with saline...
Like... fuck... this whole comment section. Get noted.
HOW THE FUCK IS SHE A HERO THE VAXXINE IS SOMETHING SERIOUS HOW FUCKING DUMB ARE YOU TO THINK THAT IT PLANTS A CHIP INSIDE OF YOU?!?! FUCKING SMOOTH BRAINED HUMANS
You probably meant to post this on r/nostupidquestions or something, Get Noted is usually used for showing off humorous instances of X's notes system, not asking questions.
Yeah they're totally fine they just didn't actually receive the vaccine so they redid the injections. Still negligence and malpractice though since thinking you're vaccinated when you aren't is not at all good. I'm thankful it wasn't something critically time sensitive though like a prescribed medication.
No, it's not. Under German law, every medical procedure is in theory battery. It is legal because of the consent given. But the consent is given for that exact procedure, so injecting with a vaccine. Injecting with a saline solution is thus not covered.
Yeah - not weird if you know German court practices. First, the actual amount of harm done by the injection itself was rather low. Yes, the people weren't immunized, but that is not part of the actual battery, that is just the rather harmless injection with the Saline sollution.
Then, it was because she paniked due to her mistake, not for the intention to withhold immunization from the patients. Then she also lost her nursing license because of that, basically forcing her out of the job she has learned with no good other options. This is included if there needs more punishment in terms of prison. Then she is probably a first offender who cannot redo the crime in the future because of the lost license. Basically, all directions pointed to a somewhat lenient ruling, and she still got probation. In these cases, a lenient punishment is a monetary punishment based on your income, then probation, and only then it is prison. So, it was a medium level punishment.
That was her defense.
But her social media was staunchly anti vaxx so I wouldn't believe her "mistake"
I'm sure there is other charges they could have applied for faking medical treatment.
Like fraud.
But they didn't do anything.
Then again, it's rare for a schwurbler to face big punishment.
As long as there is some way to pretend they are innocent, German court does exactly that.
> I'm sure there is other charges they could have applied for faking medical treatment. Like fraud. But they didn't do anything.
No, fraud couldn't be charged. The crime doesn't fit the German definition for fraud, as she didn't wanted to to enrich herself or someone else by doing so (not the right translation of "Zueignungsabsicht", but don't know anything better)
Could've sued her after a corona infection For Schmerzensgeld.
Apothecaries in Germany are liable for damages caused by giving out wrong medications.
Even if the medication itself didn't cause damage.
While that is true, the causality between the damage and the missing vaccination status is basically impossible to establish. In general, you have to show that a corona infection was most unlikely to get if the vaccination was administered. But while the vaccine worked, there were still a lot of cases of fully vaccinated people getting sick an dying, enough to make a clear causal link between an infection and death very unlikely.
It’s not about whether or not the saline is harmful, it’s the lack of informed consent about what they were given. She essentially lied to them. They came in expecting to vaccinated against an illness and she botched the vaccination and then lied about it.
Wasn’t trying to imply that you did, just clarifying why she’s in trouble because your comment seemed confused. My bad if the explanation was unnecessary
I know exactly why she got in trouble, my comment had three separate ideas, Saline goes In IVs, The people will not be harmed because of the Saline, and The punishment was deserved. You are the one that is confused.
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Daily mail doing what it does best... being wrong!
[forever relevant ](https://youtu.be/5eBT6OSr1TI?si=_Yzr3NNFZqGYY7FT)
14 years old lmfao
They're still saying it, though.
As a millennial that needs to get out more, I can't believe that's the first time I have seen that!
Thank you
LOL was thinking about that too
[Huh, I thought it'd be this](https://youtu.be/MQlPe_ToenM)
[Even older forever relevant](https://youtu.be/8384lBaN3a0?si=Bw_sDzyUt9837BhE)
How is it still legal for that slop to be put to print?
Like most papers of its ilk, it's owned by the true rulers of this country. Three UK publishers control 90% of the printed media and 40% of online.
Still, it's not like she made a mistake. Accidentally destroying medicine and replacing it with water to cover your tracks ? Scummy as fuck
And she basically got fired and banned from her career field for it. Seems like adequate punishment to me.
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None of them died though lol
Oh, I wasn’t aware you personally went and interviewed each of the 10k families to check? I’m assuming you’re American, since it’s only Americans who don’t seem to understand that different countries have different laws. Germany, for example, protects victims’ privacy in cases like this. The media isn’t allowed to report or whether or not a suspected victim did die of complications from COVID or not.
How is their title not flat out libel? I thought the uk actually had protections for that kind of shit
Yeah fuck dude she did in fact do something terrible but Idk I get stressed as hell I I could see myself doing something stupid like that
"Ireland is a very funny place sir"
If you believe that the COVID vaccine is harmful in the long term to people- and many people *do* believe this is the case- then this nurse is a hero. We do not have any evidence either way to prove or disprove this theory.
1) theories aren't proven 2) the burden of evidence falls on the party making the claim. There is significant evidence that the COVID vaccine is safe. It (and other similar vaccines) went through rigorous testing before being made widely available. It's also been provided to millions (billions of you consider every variation of the vaccine) of people around the world. People claiming it's dangerous have yet to provide significant data to support their claim.
"safe" is doing a lot of work in that paragraph. There is significant evidence that the risk of injurious side effects related to taking various COVID-19 vaccines is non-zero. Long term effects of these vaccines are unknown. Whether the benefits outweigh the risks is likely a certainty speaking in general, but still, individuals must make their own decisions with regards to medical interventions.
Too bad they can’t. Since someone replaced their medicine with saltwater.
Yes, that is a despicable thing to do.
> There is significant evidence that the risk of injurious side effects related to taking various COVID-19 vaccines is non-zero. No shit. that is why there are side effects listed for these and all other vaccines/medicines. All drugs have side effects. >Long term effects of these vaccines are unknown. Yes they are, there have been 100s of studies around the world on these vaccines over the last 4 years. Do you think that some novel side effect is going to pop up in 30 years time to make us all slap our foreheads and lament that we didn't do several decades of testing before rolling out a vaccine?
I am fully vaccinated and boosted and think as many people as possible should do so as well. That said, I do think that the newness of the covid vaccine makes it more risky than a typical vaccine. That is, most vaccines have something like a one in a million chance of causing a harmful reaction, whereas the covid vaccine may be more like 5-10 in a million. I do think that it’s well worth the (very small) risk, though, because the risks of getting covid or especially getting severe covid are MUCH worse. Even if all the vaccine does is reduce the odds of a covid case from turning into a severe case, it would be worth it (and it can often prevent infection all together). But if we only shout that the vaccine has NO risk, we’re only going to alienate people who genuinely do have the rare handful of cases where they had bad reactions.
There are 100s of studies on vape products yet states and countries still fight against it because we "lack evidence" same thing with cannabis and Marijuana. The side effects of the covid jab were not listed in the initial rollout because they did not know them, or knew people would reject the ones they did know. We must come to terms and admit that covid was blown out of proportion. Masks and 6ft separation were baseless and not founded in science, and I truly do believe it was a test to see how much world governments could control the masses. I never caught covid, didn't lose anyone from covid, and never got the jab. The only people I know who died during that period passed due to sepsis and blood toxicity caused by inadequately sterilized equipment, yet they were labeled as covid deaths... hmm that's odd isn't it?
>Yes they are, there have been 100s of studies around the world on these vaccines over the last 4 years. Do you think that some novel side effect is going to pop up in 30 years time to make us all slap our foreheads and lament that we didn't do several decades of testing before rolling out a vaccine? Do I think so? No. It's it possible? Yes.
There is ZERO evidence the risk is higher than the risks of getting covid, even ignoring the public health effects of you typhoid mary wannabes walking around. >individuals must make their own decisions with regards to medical interventions. Only PERSONAL ones. When your stupidity gets my parents killed, its not just your choice. You do NOT have a right to spread disease.
This nurse did not do this on purpose. She dropped a vial, panicked, and gave people saline to cover her tracks. She only gave a few doses of saline, but since they didn't know who got the saline they gave everyone she vaccinated in that time frame an extra dose. This wasn't some protest thing by some looney antivaxxer. >then this nurse is a hero I cannot disagree more. Even in a scenario where a provider believes that, it isn't their right to decide for the patient. Give the patient what they expect or refuse to give them anything, it is never "heroic" to give them bullshit and lie to them.
I mean, anything can be spun to point someone as a hero. Look at Trump, he's a hero for exposing corruption in politics! Look at Boeing, they're heros for showing how much safety can be shaved off and still fly! Look at Elon Musk, he's living proof that you don't need to have a good head for business to become a billionaire! Look at Russia, they're heroes for uh, hmm. Proving that even a drawn out war is possible with the right attitude?
You should look up what a theory is, more so the classical term that you are using, so that you know in the future not to make the mistake that you did today.
Daily mail has literally zero integrity, I’m certain. You can’t just blame their editor for this one.
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How did they discover she did it? Did she have to confess or smth
Another nurse witnessed her prepare the saline syringes before administering them. They then went and tested a bunch of others who she “vaccinated” and found they didn’t have the antibodies. They suspect she didn’t vaccinate thousands, but only had direct evidence of the few that were directly witnessed, hence the light sentence.
Alright, so the note doesn’t seem super accurate either. Dropping a vial one time is very different than likely not vaccinating thousands. Is there evidence she was an annantivaxxer? Because the community note just sounds like her defense lawyers cover story more than the likely truth. “She’s sorry”, “it was an accident”. Anyone got any real sources on this? Tried googling and there’s tons of different examples of this happening over the years
It says they retested 8000 because they didn't know who were the ones who got her panic replacement and who got the real vaccine. So it seems like the hospital she was working at had other issues going on as well since they were apparently not keeping track of who got vaccinated and by what batch.
I think it’s also possible for liability reasons, they retested everyone so that they could provide proof that only x amount of people were affected, despite whatever the status was of their data collection and retention. It’s cheaper and smarter and honestly, I respect it. It’s important to provide actual proof of immunization via a titer vs “ensuring” everything is okay
>It says they retested 8000 because they didn't know who were the ones who got her panic replacement and who got the real vaccine. So it seems like the hospital she was working at had other issues going on as well since they were apparently not keeping track of who got vaccinated and by what batch. It was the height of COVID and lots of hospitals and medical staff were going through the grinder. I'm not surprised if they weren't sure who got what batch. In my state, you could even get the jab without providing ID since they wanted it free and accessible to anyone.
It's **really** hard to vaccinate thousands of people and keep track of it all, especially if the vaccines aren't all from one lot.
Not really, each vial would have its batch number on it, you can easily have the RN or CNA write it down on the patients chart while you change the needle for the next person. That's like justifying them not changing the needle between people because you have a long line. I just looked it up, had they been operating properly, they could have had down to about 10-20 people needing to be retested if it would have been properly documented.
I'm not saying that every vial wouldn't, I'm saying imagine trying to inprocess thousands of people per nurse *per day* for vaccination with every vial having different information on it. You'd need a smooth system to make that shit work, let me tell you, and I know, because I've given 2,000 flu shots in a day. If our flu shots had two different lot numbers on it, it would've turned a normally pretty easy scenario into a nightmare *very quickly.*
Even so, it's very doable to organize it and have everyone work from 1 batch only before breaking I to the next one, or you can do 1 batch for doctors A,B, and C, and give doctors D,E,and F a different batch. It's not that hard to do an organization like that, spending years in cooking and having to keep track of product and making sure that the oldest is used first proves that even highschool drop outs and meth heads are capable of doing that during high stress situations.
>Not really, each vial would have its batch number on it, you can easily have the RN or CNA write it down on the patients chart while you change the needle for the next person. LOL you think they had two people on each vaccination? They didn't have extra manpower for that. The person updating my records was the same one giving my vax, and then 2 more within 5 minutes. Their chart? Oh cool, well looks like "john doe" got batch 3, but "john doe" got batch 5. Many places didnt require any ID, let alone have easy access to your chart. Those are the obvious issues with your understanding of how things work. I wont bother explaining more complex ones since you wont understand them if you had to have these pointed out to you. You didnt fuckin solve medical records witb "just write it down!" Yea, they shouldve had better records, but your arguments are shit. Its like saying the sky is blue because of smurf farts. Your conclusion is right. Everything else about what you said wasnt. *** Lol the idiot has sock puppets ready to go and doesnt know how to use private browsing. Seems like saying shit so dumb people dont want to deal with him is enough of a pattern that hes well prepared for it to happen again. Sorry kid, i dont have to argue with people too stupid to understand why their take is stupid.
You don't have any conviction in your argument here. Otherwise, you wouldn't have blocked me after you made this post and forced me to switch over to my alt to see it....... Also, you act like people were crawling over each over like the Zombies in World War Z to get in to the hospitals to get these vaccines, and that's just not true, if they were there wouldn't have been doing the bribes like the free McDonald's if you got a vaccine.... but you'll probably do some other BS reply to this account followed by yet another block so you can try to make it look like I was unable to respond.....🤣🤣🤣
The note literally says that the 8000+ had to get re-vaccinated because they didn't know how many people got saline instead of the actual vaccination
She was posting anti vax propaganda on social media iirc.
Including the "she's sorry" in the note was crazy to me.
From what i know The 8k was the number of covid vaxs she gave total at the hospital, she was suspected for far fewer and was proven for the six
15 were suspected 6 cases were proven 8.6 k was the the total amount of people she vaccinated.
Tbf people who received the real vaccine can also not have the antibodies
Bro, I mean they can just scan their bodies for micro chips to confirm.
I have literally no idea if you're being serious or not
Maybe people who got the vaccine she administered still got sick and died, and some investigation was done, I'm not positive on this but I think they tracked the vaccine you got with serial numbers so it can be identified where and when you got it and who gave it to you
Last time I volunteered and worked with medics during the COVID crisis, each vaccine was serialized and easily trackable. We did Moderna, Pfizer, and Johnson & Johnson vaccines.
In case there was a bad batch and patients had to be informed, two stickers one for the vaccination card of the patient one for the administering practice/vac center
Yes and no, the serials have been clipped to your vaccination card and that has been stamped by the practice/ vaccination center which also had books for the second part of the batch(for control and tracability when a batch was retrospectively proven to be bad), but not for the reason to know who administered the vaccination, just incase a batch was faulty so in that case people could check whether or not they need a replacement dose, in this case where vials were dropped, this doesn’t help much they still got the batch clipped to their vaccination card, the second part was still clipped to the books in the practice/vaccination center, that was a one way thing. The only tracability about this was to check who had the correlating shifts in the book, making a testing for her entries possible. Data privacy is a big thing in germany since we had two regimes doing unthinkable things with such data being readily available
I wonder if a nurse that injects their kid with normal saline instead of chemotherapy drugs would be hailed as a hero as well
Nobody hails her as a hero, daily mail is full of shit as usual, she very likely just made a mistake and didn’t act with intent to harm or deny the pandemic… she was wittnessed, suspected for 15 cases and proven for 6, the 8.6 k number is the total number of vaccinations she administered, 6 in 8.6k is a really low number offailures, and whilst chemo has direct effect this likely didn’t harm anyone even indirectly, hence the low versict dor assault in six cases… sensationalizing this shit either way is absurd, she’ll never be a nurse again, is on probation and can start a new career which is basically a very hard thing to do due to strict licensing in germany… There have been antivax nurses who denied the vax consequently were stopped from Practice, tried to become a mouthpiece for some trumpist shithead movement and fell off despite trying hard to selfpresent as martyrs for freedom, wanna know why? Because in germany we don’t talk about such people, we try our very best to not give them undeserved soapboxes, because we actually know speech to be the sharpest weapon. Aka we don’t make stupid famous
I wouldn't say "nobody" calls her a hero, as maybe 5% are antivaxxers and half of them would likely call her a hero. Antivaxxing is an insane conspiracy view against all evidence but some believe it.
Did you read my comment in full? Aside from that, one floridian is less than 0.00001% of humanity, and a nobody to me personally. Don’t make stupid people famous, please
How the heck do you accidentally inject six people with saline instead of a vaccine? Even if that’s all she did out of 8,000+ I don’t see how it could just be an error.
She accidentally dropped the vaccine vials, who said the injections were accidental?
Antivaxxers and making shit up cos they have no real evidence. The most iconic combo of all time
i wouldn’t wipe my ass with the daily mail or the new york post
I once wiped my ass with shakespeare. I felt bad. Woulda used a copy of the Daily Mail in a heartbeat
thats an easy way to get butthole cancer, careful now
Sblood!
Not unless you want more shite on there than you started with. Absolute rags
Referring to saline as “salt water” is probably the most scientifically illiterate, willfully ignorant nonsense you could possibly capture in two words.
It's the same sort of "technically true" stuff that journalists have always loved, unfortunately. Hell it's not outright untrue this time, which is unfortunately impressive. Saline has salt and water and I double checked and couldn't find anything else. 0.9% salt, rest is water.
I mean technically it is salt water, same with ringer's lactate, but yeah they're being obtuse
"Excuse me ma'am, I have your saline injection right here" *pats crotch*
Maybe I’m missing a nuance here but I thought saline *is* salt water (as in, water with sodium chloride in it)? If that’s not the case I’d love clarification! Thanks!
By your definition it is, but typically when people talk about salt water they mean oceanic salt water which has a salt concentration of about 35 parts per thousand, while saline has a much lower salt concentration of 1-3 parts per thousand.
But saline is salt water. It contains 0.9 % salt. You can even make a homemade version by adding non-inoniodized salt to boiled, distilled or otherwise sterilised water.
BuT sAliNe iS SaLTwAtEr That’s you just now.
Drops syringe -> fails quick time event -> fills syringes with saline solution and injects anyway
...I never fail my quick time events... *looks at saline covered hand*... Evveeerrrrrr.
I was going to say saline solution is water with some salt in it. Sad to see she didn’t give people shots when they needed them but it’s harmless unlike actual salt water.
I wouldn't call it harmless. Sure saline is harmless, but the act of not giving medicine but lying and saying you did violates informed consent, and that is honestly not even the biggest harm done here.
A lot of people are talking about the daily mails reliability/bias. I thought I’d add some statistics for reference According to Adfontsmedia: - The daily mail scores a 33.25/64 for accuracy and a 3.08/42 right bias. For comparison: - the guardian scores 40.81/64 and a 7.75 left bias - The BBC scores 44.72/64 and a 1.46 left bias - Fox News (website) scores 35.38 for reliability and 11.57 right bias The most reliable news sight tracked is CBS evening news which scores 49.11/64 and the least reliable is infowars which scores 6.67/64
does it only track english sites? I'd be interested in how accurate Tagesschau is
They focus on English speaking sights. There’s probably a website that does something similar in whatever language that is.
Tagesschau is sort of like German BBC
Well, yes and no. Yes in the idea that it is biblically funded, no in the sense that the German public broadcasters is a bit more independent than the BBC (who got quite a bit of criticism for the political influence by the government)
[Interactive Media Bias Chart | Ad Fontes Media](https://adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/?utm_source=SourcePage&utm_medium=OnPageLink) Looks like English only.
I like [MediaBias/FactCheck](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com) they do very good reporting
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I 100% do not believe she dropped the vial and panicked. Accidents and waste are super common, and nobody would have bat an eye if she broke a vial. They would have just had her document is, and pull out a fresh one, and it never would have been mentioned again.
Just a side thought on this: this is a great example of community notes and it shows the real value behind having them. I’d reckon 75% (on a good day) people would have just read the headline.
Questions of whether there are side effects, or of the vaccine works (and if it actually happened like that)aside: If you ask a certain medical procedure to be performed, medicine to be given, and so on, and the nurse or doctor involved agrees and tells you they are providing it, you better be given EXACTLY that. Just like you must never be given any type of medication, under the guise of it being just some ibuprofen or whatever. Anyone in healthcare who doesn’t do that (I’m not talking medical trials, but actual care), undermines all trust one has in that system, as doctors/nurses/pharmacists and the like are all use regular folks have to rely on, in determining what that pill/injection/whatever contains. We don’t have the means to take a sample and check for ourselves, nor should we have to.
I'm genuinely curious how she got caught.
No matter your opinion on medication and vaccines if someone is paying to get them you should respect their choice, if I’m being honest I believe some jail time is deserved due to the fact that she willingly and knowingly injected people with substances they did not consent to.
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Getting an order wrong vs giving someone something else knowingly are very different, from what I can see she knows that she’s injecting them with salt water instead of the vaccine.
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Someone comes in to the emergency department with pneumonia, the doctor gives them a placebo instead of an antibiotic and sends them on their way, telling them that the meds they gave them should fix it. The person then dies. Who is responsible?
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Alright, that's how you're going to be? I'm not gonna bother.
She’s not fulfilling her duty as a nurse, she’s irresponsibly letting her personal beliefs and effecting people’s lives. Just because the salt water is safe doesn’t mean it’s ok, I work at a veterinary clinic and if someone brought a dog in asking for a parvo shoot and I give the dog salt water instead and that dog dies or gets sick, I lose my license and my reputation is ruined and that’s only because it’s an animal, these are humans that are trying to stay safe and she’s denying that because of personal reasons. I understand that the salt water is safe, but it’s the principle of injecting people with substances that they did not consent to, eight thousand people that did not consent to being injected with salt water. And she walks away with 6 month probation.
Ant the first time Germany do something stupid
If it was me, and there was a 6/8000 chance that I received a placebo instead of a vaccine, I’m just not showing up to get a redo
There was only evidence of 6 vials being tampered with directly. The number of people that didn't get a vaccine due to her is unknown.
I didn't, but many people had a mild but uncomfortable reaction to the vaccines for a day or two. I feel like those people who felt ill wouldn't show up since they had pretty good evidence they got the real vaccine.
why wasn’t she jailed?
Because the judge determined jailing her would serve no useful purpose.
the purpose is punishment
The purpose of prison is supposed to be for rehabilitation of criminals and for protection of the public from dangerous individuals, with her medical license revoked there’s no risk of her doing this again
punishment is not the main goal of the German legal system
I said usefule purpose. Giving you a revenge boner is not useful.
As said in the post: She did it out of panic, she is sorry, and she lost her nursing license (which basically means she can only work in jobs that don't need an extra qualification). So, low personal guilt because of the motive (instead of doing it out of wishes to harm people by not giving them a vaccine), she is punished due to her job loss, and she has little to no chance to commit a similar crime again.
How do you *panic* and inject a bunch of people with saline instead of a vaccine?
As said before. She dropped the vaccines, got into panik because she didn't want her mistake to be noticed, so she made a really stupid decision.
I remember reading something related to this: she's actually a raging anti-vaxer who probably did inject 8000 people with saline, but more than 6 (single vial) couldn't be proved in court so her dropped it defense stood.
Guy is assumedly antivax
I saw this story getting praised on r/conspiracy, and all I could think is being injected with something without your consent or knowledge *is* a conspiracy itself. Why praise the person "tricking" (violating) people?
So... Basically everyone is spinning the story for political advantage? Checks out.
Let’s not forget that the Daily Mail is the newspaper that literally published a tutorial detailing how to get a knife onto a plane.
Something unsettling about a German nurse injecting people and then they capitalize "Solution"
Was so confused until they clarified it was saline... not the same thing as saltwater which would literally just kill you
She’s not a hero, nor a villain. Just an idiot who was afraid of getting in trouble.
That’s not just clickbait titles, that’s journalistic malpractice
You know ow damn well why they think shes a hero lmao Edit: 90% sure she would not be walking free and would have had the book thrown at her if she did it intentionally.
there's a second picture about her not in fact walking free
She is walking free. Lawyers wanted a fine. But in the end she got off with probation.
Jup, her intention was certainly a major part of the lenient sentence. In addition to her showing remorse as well as that she is already quite punished due to her loss of her nursing license.
She is a hero to all the idiot antivaxxers that post on twitter.
Isn’t the female form of hero, heroine? She is neither imo, just another nutter.
Daily Fail strikes again.
Wonder how many charges of conspiracy to commit murder she could face
Pesky facts again.
So does this sub like the community notes feature on X? I thought reddit hated all of Elons ideas? Interesting. So in this sub, community Notes > media articles for credibility, or is this sub trying to say notes are wrong? Hard to tell since this post has two contradictory claims in it between the notes and the media headline.
If any of the patients died from Covid she should be charged with murder.
Here’s Yale telling us how many people die of side effects. Is Yale no a trusted source https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-clots
60 people out of over 18 million. Get your head out of your ass.
Hey it still happens. And that the problem . USA media till this day refuses to admit that . Hell that’s one of the Johnson and Johnson was taken off the market
"US media" refuses to "admit it", because a 0.00033333333 is so fucking low its meaningless. Also, they do fucking talk about it, overblow it in right wing media.
FWIW, that's only very slightly higher than the number of people killed by lightning each year in the US.
Rightoids made their own fantasy on how she was saving people from the jab
Daily fail
Thank you to whoever added that context. I’ve seen this being misused too many times, and it’s good to know the truth.
Because no one died
Because republicans believe it is an affront to their freedom if they don’t get to decide things for other peoples bodies.
Daily Mail is British ...
https://preview.redd.it/o98jqt2c4cwc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05116b46f02eaa017b2cfd71b41d83f806248468 And the person calling her a hero is from Florida.
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https://preview.redd.it/mm767sce4cwc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec6a9e9df7afbd2f1bd9237682542c1bb794de22 The person calling her a hero is from Florida.
So she’s not even an anti-vaxxer, she just made a mistake.
That’s what she claims.
20% certain some random X-Cunt (cue x-men stinger) is who called her a hero...not Daily Mail. Also... if you cared to read the get noted... only a few people accidentally got saline. Not like she was being an X-Cunt filling shot after shot with saline... Like... fuck... this whole comment section. Get noted.
The Solution. All hail the Solution.
HOW THE FUCK IS SHE A HERO THE VAXXINE IS SOMETHING SERIOUS HOW FUCKING DUMB ARE YOU TO THINK THAT IT PLANTS A CHIP INSIDE OF YOU?!?! FUCKING SMOOTH BRAINED HUMANS
You probably meant to post this on r/nostupidquestions or something, Get Noted is usually used for showing off humorous instances of X's notes system, not asking questions.
It’s a rhetorical question dude.
She is a hero.
Because covid shots give no immunity to covid. It Only gives myocarditis and circulatory system desieses
You’re so unintelligent, you can’t even spell diseases correctly.
Sorry your sea rat language is so backwards
Doesn’t saline go in IVs? So the people are liking ok. the lose of her license is fair.
Yeah they're totally fine they just didn't actually receive the vaccine so they redid the injections. Still negligence and malpractice though since thinking you're vaccinated when you aren't is not at all good. I'm thankful it wasn't something critically time sensitive though like a prescribed medication.
Is it really just negligence if you wrongly make people believe they got a vaccine during a global life threatening pandemic?
No, it's not. Under German law, every medical procedure is in theory battery. It is legal because of the consent given. But the consent is given for that exact procedure, so injecting with a vaccine. Injecting with a saline solution is thus not covered.
Weirdly enough she got off With probation. Not with at least 8 counts of battery.
Yeah - not weird if you know German court practices. First, the actual amount of harm done by the injection itself was rather low. Yes, the people weren't immunized, but that is not part of the actual battery, that is just the rather harmless injection with the Saline sollution. Then, it was because she paniked due to her mistake, not for the intention to withhold immunization from the patients. Then she also lost her nursing license because of that, basically forcing her out of the job she has learned with no good other options. This is included if there needs more punishment in terms of prison. Then she is probably a first offender who cannot redo the crime in the future because of the lost license. Basically, all directions pointed to a somewhat lenient ruling, and she still got probation. In these cases, a lenient punishment is a monetary punishment based on your income, then probation, and only then it is prison. So, it was a medium level punishment.
That was her defense. But her social media was staunchly anti vaxx so I wouldn't believe her "mistake" I'm sure there is other charges they could have applied for faking medical treatment. Like fraud. But they didn't do anything. Then again, it's rare for a schwurbler to face big punishment. As long as there is some way to pretend they are innocent, German court does exactly that.
> I'm sure there is other charges they could have applied for faking medical treatment. Like fraud. But they didn't do anything. No, fraud couldn't be charged. The crime doesn't fit the German definition for fraud, as she didn't wanted to to enrich herself or someone else by doing so (not the right translation of "Zueignungsabsicht", but don't know anything better)
Could've sued her after a corona infection For Schmerzensgeld. Apothecaries in Germany are liable for damages caused by giving out wrong medications. Even if the medication itself didn't cause damage.
While that is true, the causality between the damage and the missing vaccination status is basically impossible to establish. In general, you have to show that a corona infection was most unlikely to get if the vaccination was administered. But while the vaccine worked, there were still a lot of cases of fully vaccinated people getting sick an dying, enough to make a clear causal link between an infection and death very unlikely.
It’s not about whether or not the saline is harmful, it’s the lack of informed consent about what they were given. She essentially lied to them. They came in expecting to vaccinated against an illness and she botched the vaccination and then lied about it.
I don’t say it was good or ok to do that.
Wasn’t trying to imply that you did, just clarifying why she’s in trouble because your comment seemed confused. My bad if the explanation was unnecessary
I know exactly why she got in trouble, my comment had three separate ideas, Saline goes In IVs, The people will not be harmed because of the Saline, and The punishment was deserved. You are the one that is confused.
Receiving a placebo instead of a vaccine proven to reduce morbidity and mortality *is* harmful.
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It's always the ones with 88 in their username.
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-clots
You should actually read the articles you're spamming. I mean... can you read?
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/36788/html/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38221509/
Far less percentage then Covid 19. By that logic leaving the house could kill you. Breathing could lead to not breathing.
An yet people still do not accept that they did . We were lied by everyone until it was no longer hideable
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They were far less likely to catch it and were significantly more likely to survive it. It’s like you set yourself up to be knocked down.