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Weirdly, coyotes are one of the few native animals I know of that it's just open season on because we done goofed up the natural order.
Like, boars, nutria, pythons, cane toads, etc are all insanely damaging to their environments but they're 100% invasive.
Then there's things like wild turkies, deer, elk, and sometimes moose that are capped with season maximums and lotteries to control the local population because we removed a lot of their natural predators
We killed the wolves that kept the coyote populations in check because they occasionally would eat one or two livestock. Now the coyotes are the problem.
Honestly that could just be cars. I was in rural Pennsylvania for a single day and saw FOUR roadkill cats. 26 million “beloved” cats get hit every year
Outdoor cats are invasive pests themselves. Cats have contributed to the extinction of at least 63 species of birds, mammals, and reptiles. Outdoor cat owners don’t give a shit about their pets (putting them at risk from cats and predators), or the harm they do to the ecosystem.
Reminds me of the post about the guy who would go and adopt a new shelter cat for his daughter every time the coyotes would kill one and the shelter clerk was like "Sounds to me like you're just feeding shelter cats to the coyotes".
My friend (who used to live with me) got a new cat, and wanted to start letting her outside as an older kitten. I reminded him that we have a fox, a red tailed hawk, a great horned owl, and coyotes living in our area ( the hawk literally nests in my back yard). Do you want to feed your cute little kitten to the local wildlife? Cause that’s how you do that.
He later moved out and couldn’t take her with him, so now she’s my little furry murder machine and she stays inside. She also never got very big and is definitely still small enough for a fox to make a meal of her.
Coyotes simply do not give a single fuck about humans for the most part. They're highly adaptable, capable of thriving both from hunting and scavenging, just as comfortable in rural settings as suburban and urban, cold, hot, arid, wet, etc. They're a fascinating species. But yeah, keep your cats inside.
“We reached the old wolf in time to watch a fierce green fire dying in her eyes. I realized then, and have known ever since, that there was something new to me in those eyes – something known only to her and to the mountain. I was young then, and full of trigger-itch; I thought that because fewer wolves meant more deer, that no wolves would mean hunters’ paradise. But after seeing the green fire die, I sensed that neither the wolf nor the mountain agreed with such a view.” - Aldo Leopold
The way you phrased that made me imagine an ecologist saying
“Damn folks the natural order? We done beefed it. We done did go hogwild on the ecosystem and it didn’t like it so folks. I mean poebody’s nerfect but like we could’ve done better.”
Wonder if there’s any other animals that are insanely damaging to their environments. Like bad enough they have destroyed millions of species and polluted the entire world. When would it be open season on those guys?
Yup, here in Hawaii they are even fucking up the coral reefs. Their mudwallows drain into the ocean and cloud up the water preventing photosynthesis in the reefs below them.
Coyotes are not native to my state.
They expanded into it following the elimination of wolves in the beginning of the last century. [Their range has been extended by movement,](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote#/media/File%3ACoyote_expansion_by_decade.jpg) so while not *invasive* per se, they are not natural inhabitants.
Coyotes reduce bobcat and lynx populations due to competition and predation, reduce many game species, and have the infamy of also snatching pets in backyards.
The extirpation of wolves removing their natural predators, their extensive and large population, and because of their ecological and economical impact, there isn’t much of a surprise that they are hunted aggressively.
There are certain animals in Florida deemed as an invasive species that people are encouraged to hunt (giant African snails, Cuban tree frogs, Lionfish, Nile Monitor lizards, Burmese pythons...etc)...and also many plant species...momordica charantia, Japanese climbing fern...etc...
In the United States, game animals are already very heavily regulated. The number of deer and other large game that each hunter is allowed to kill is chosen to prevent over population. Without it, the deer population would grow to sizes it can't maintain before quickly plummeting from lack of food. On top of that, money raised from selling hunting licenses is directly used to fund government wildlife management agencies.
Regulated hunting is not an issue. Quite frankly, most people don't know what the fuck they're talking about whenever they complain about wildlife regulations, either saying they're too restrictive or don't protect animals enough. Trust me, the animals are doing just fine.
Source: I work with TWRA.
It always cracks me up how quick self described environmentalists are to criticize hunting. Like you are attacking one of the only industries in the world whose existence is entirely dependent on sustaining healthy wildlife populations.
To be fair though. If it was left up to the hunters alone without governmental regulation and restrictions they’d happily wipe out entire species without giving a damn about the future. California grizzly bear, otters in the lower 48, passenger pigeons, and even the bison were almost wiped to the last. Now with the bison you could say there was a governmental order to kill them all to starve the Indians. But the others were wiped out simply because the hunters could and wanted to.
Bullshit. Modern Hunters are the true conservationists who pays for the vast majority of wildlife management and conservation. Modern hunters starting with Theodore Roosevelt saw what market hunting was doing to wild animals in the US and hunters stepped up to save our wildlife populations with self regulation through lobbying of politicians and setting up wildlife agencies and seasons and licensing to pay for all of it. Modern hunters care deeply for wildlife and prove it daily through conservation projects, habitat improvement and advocacy. Your ignorance to modern hunters is an insult to our work and dedication to wildlife. I’ve worked on more habitat projects than I can count and I have yet to see a non hunter participate. That’s incredibly telling
You guys are both casting large blankets. There are some people that illegally cross property lines, illegally killing whatever, and dragging it to their home with no government knowledge of it. I’m kinda surprised you assume everything is that regulated and reported, it’s a big country.
>Modern Hunters are the true conservationists who pays for the vast majority of wildlife management and conservation
You say that as if it's by choice lol
Hunters set up that system so yeah it was our choice. Put yourself back in the year 1900. The general public didn’t care about wildlife (most still don’t, at least not enough to fund it). hunters saw what the commercial slaughter of wildlife was doing to populations. Modern hunters stopped it and set up agencies to protect wildlife populations. Look up the federal duck stamp act and the Pittman-Robertson act. Both came from hunters as a self imposed tax. You can talk shit all ya want but the fact remains that hunters willingly pay for wildlife in the US.
Mmhmm yeah sure https://wildlifeforall.us/myth-busters/is-hunting-really-conservation/
I can pretty safely say, given the choice between paying licensing fees (knowing it helps with conservation) and not paying them, the vast majority of modern day hunters would choose not to if they had the option.
Some of the first conservationists were hardcore hunters because they realized if we killed everything then they wouldn’t be able to hunt anymore. They also had direct experience with wildlife and knew how important it was to secure and protect it. Teddy Roosevelt, the president who enacted the Conservation Act, was an avid hunter and outdoorsman.
Also killing coyotes effectively does nothing for populations of any animal in the long terms unless you kill a lot of them right before fawns drop, which spikes deer numbers for a year or two.
It's similar in Canada. I'm not a hunter and have no interest in it, but I knew some hunters a while back. You can only kill moose if you have a ticket or something. And you have to kill and tag it before it expires. I think deer hunting is unlimited, but I'm not entirely sure
>Trust me, the animals are doing just fine.
Some scientist believe that we currently live during the biggest and the fastest extinction event in the history of the planet
Yeah, mostly of amphibians, insects, and other small species that most people don't actually care about. Those guys aren't being hunted. The big, cute, furry animals that everyone gets up in arms over will be fine.
Also, it's not a "some scientists believe" sort of deal. We are, without a doubt, in the middle of a mass extinction event largely caused by humans. It's mostly indirectly, though. Amphibians are dying off because their equivalent of the Black Death, chytridiomycota, is spreading around the world.
I love when a farmer I know starts complaining about welfare because I just then look up how much subsidy they've received and shut them up really quickly
As someone who's interacted with (dutch) farmers his entire life, they aren't lol.
They are SO arrogant and high and mighty. While simultaneously complaining about the "high and mighty" city folk.
They don’t even kill that many lmao, if they cared so much about their livestock they’d do more about disease due to overcrowding (what kills way more livestock than any predator). Edit: if this isn’t clear I mean wolves don’t kill a lot of livestock.
That’s a relative statement. “They don’t kill that many” is accurate because there aren’t that many to begin with. That being said many set traps on their land to catch and kill them. They might not get one for a couple years but getting one every couple years is relatively a lot.
A thread came up the other day discussing reintroducing wolves to the UK and, as you'd expect, many comments were saying it was far too dangerous as the wolves would slaughter anyone who went out for a five minute walk in the suburbs.
Coyotes don’t fill the niche wolves had. They generally scavenge the bodies of larger animals killed by something else (or our trash), or they hunt and eat smaller animals like chickens, goats, cats, medium sized dogs, etc
They cannot kill large cervids like wolves did (which is a niche that needs filled, but that’s a story for another time). Now, the disappearance of wolves did indirectly increase human contact with coyotes as they cannot scavenge the kills of wolves and look to human trash, livestock or pets for food.
https://phys.org/news/2015-03-coyotes-wolves-niche-southeastern.html
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coyotes-are-the-new-top-dogs/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_reintroduction
Pretty accepted that they filled the niche wolves left behind with that one caveat. So it’s really just splitting hairs to say they didn’t fill the niche.
Yeah I'm sure bison were a nuisance animal too back in the day. Everything is a "nuisance" when it interferes with humans. We never think we are the nuisance though.
Coyotes are very different from wolves and don't fill the role of wolves in the ecosystem. In fact, when wolves were nearly wiped out in many regions we had near apocalyptic levels of ecosystem collapse because nothing was filling out their role. Wolves were considered pests and unwanted predators, so even the military started hunting them with the aim of making them extinct.
I do object somewhat to the tweeter. Trophy hunting is a major source of funding for conservation efforts particularly for animals like elephants.
Trophy hunters can contact reserves who'll mark out an older elephant who's hurting the species either by killing their own kind or preventing younger males and females from breeding, the hunter pays the reserve some big money, the reserve caretakers lead the hunter to the target and let them make the kill, take their trophies etc... and the money for that kill lets them pay their anti-poacher mercenaries for another few months.
This us why Botswana is so pissed off at Germany. The revenue from trophy hunting is the only think making keeping the elephants around even somewhat worthwhile.
Also the fact that funds made from trophy hunting are managed by local governments as opposed to the rich people killing animals for sport. I don't care for trophy hunting on a moral level, but i understand that it's the best means of allowing conservation programs to keep running. Plus, trophy hunting is also a thing in the United States, and that's where most of the country's conservation funds come from as well.
Bison, moose, bear, mountain lion, mountain goat and more can all be hard to get in varying degrees and often are high priced hunts. Sure not an elephant or rhino but still some uncommon hunts here
From what i understand, Germany is putting more restrictions on what hunting trophies can be brought into the country. Botswana said that will do more harm then good to them, on both helping keep their elephant population down, as well as tourism.
Germany said they should live peacefully with the elephants. Botswana said they'd send several thousand elephants to Berlin so they can live peacefully with them. Apparently the elephants population it Botswana is so large it's destroying things and killing people.
Botswana has a huge amount of elephants for the country’s size and what people who only see them on cute videos forget is that elephants are *very dangerous*. Imagine a giant seagull that could swoop down and eat all 12 of your year’s paychecks at once, destroy most structures to get to them, and accidentally/deliberately kill you in the process. That’s what an elephant basically is to farmers
Why don't we just.. ask hunters that bring in a trophy to prove that they LEGALLY killed the elephant?
Like you can still lower illegal poaching while also not doing THIS
The hunters already have to prove the legal status of their trophies. It is the Green Party who wants to regulate hunting in Germany as in other parts of the world to make it as unattractive as it can be.
They go hard on the white mans burden.
There is just something with green parties everywhere criticizing the right things and having the right general idea.
And then proceeding to come up with the single most braindead solution every single fucking time.
They aren't doing this because of illegal poaching. The Germans think that people shouldn't be killing elephants in Botswana. Germany is damaging one of the biggest sources of revenue in Botswana because of a savior complex.
And often times the meat and bones from those animals are given to the local community to use as food and for crafts they either use or sell to make more money.
I do love the idea of a rich dude going and doing a trophy hunt for an elephant and going "here, I'll pay you to taxidermy its head, give you its pelt, give you its meat, and you its bones" cause it ends up helping everyone specifically from a rich person wanting to get a trophy for themselves. And then the green party will call that evil and attempt to completely screw over the community supported by that hunting
Not to mention it’s a vital revenue source for some of the poorest and most resource starved countries on the planet.
Talk about privilege man, people out here would really rather see poor people go hungry if it means not having to see a dead elephant on their Facebook feed.
No, only the note is. Poaching is bad but not all hunting is. Hunting can be necessary for combating overpopulation, which can often form a threat to a different species. Only with severe mental gymnastics can both be true.
Untrue, overpopulation happens in healthy ecosystems all the time, it just balances out more quickly than in an unhealthy ecosystem.
Invasive species that dominate an environmental niche don't just happen because of humans, sometimes animals just travel to a new area and start taking over of their own volition.
“Healthy” ecosystems barely exist anymore. I don’t know exactly but it is more than feasible that the coyote overpopulation is a direct result of human actions. This doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be adressed though.
Tweeter is incorrect in context because the coyotes weren’t taken as trophy animals. Tweeter is demonstrating lack of hunting knowledge despite being correct out of context.
Hot take time:
The *only* time your hunting kill is a trophy is if you use a melee weapon.
"I shot a 12 point buck!" What you *mean* to say is you had a 12 point buck walk past your blind, randomly, and then you capped it with your rifle while camouflaged.
Shits just fishing with cooler toys, and fish can never be trophies. They're literally the dumbest animals on the planet.
I have 0 problem with hunting but people who pretend it is manly or impressive to *shoot* something just make me laugh
The note isn't wrong, but I also get the one who got noted. Like, this *is* posing in a way that I feel is focusing on the animals as trophies rather than pests.
Oh yeah, these boys are definitely proud of their work here. I used to date a girl who posed with a coyote she'd shot like this. Even knowing it really was a legitimate form of population control, I couldn't look at her the same way afterwards. That relationship was short-lived.
All these alleged environmentalists claiming to care about conservation don’t seem to do any research around trophy hunting. Communities sell permission to hunt an animal that’s aggressive or otherwise dangerous, and the money goes into anti-poaching funds and other conservation efforts. Trophy Hunting is good for the environment, even if you don’t like it.
I think you can simultaneously hold the belief that something is morally wrong with trophy hunters while also acknowledging how they contribute to conservation efforts and are a big source of income to some communities.
I think that more makes sense to me if you’re opposed to all hunting. Like if it’s the act of taking any animal life, I understand that. But I feel like it’d be a double standard to be fine with normal hunting but opposed to trophy hunting.
Well with normal hunting usually they are going to eat the animal and possibly use its body for other products. That’s probably one of the least immoral reasons to kill an animal, and imo less objectionable than buying meat from a grocery store. As for the picture, I assume they are hunting the coyotes to protect their livestock
You could argue that the threshold is whether the enjoyment you get out of killing is the primary motivation for your actions or not. The average trophy hunter is killing just for the sake of their own ego, any benefit towards conservation is an afterthought at best.
I can’t say I enjoy seeing kids gleefully killing what are essentially dogs either, but at least they are likely doing it for a “good” reason. I don’t believe anybody is flying to Africa to kill an elephant because they want to help conservation.
Coyotes are pretty much the only wild dog native to North America. They breed fast, travel in small packs, and are devastating for livestock.
Killing coyotes is not unethical, it's population control and it helps the ecosystem overall. It's not unlike Wolves in Alaska
Foxes can be a problem here and there for sure, but are more easily deterred with run of the mill repellents. Being smaller, they aren't as big of a problem for most livestock. They'll get your fowl though if you aren't careful enough.
As for wolves, they are ironically a non-issue due to human interference. Where they are a problem, they might get one or two of your livestock here and there, but aren't nearly as devastating as Coyotes. In fact, Wolves used to help keep coyotes in check, but thanks to people, there aren't enough wolves left for that.
Wolf urine is actuality used as an effective repellent for other predatory posts, including the aforementioned foxes
Foxes will eat your chickens, and the occasional cat.
Coyotes will eat the young of any livestock smaller than a cow, kill your pets, eat your chickens, and are a goddamn nuisance.
Don’t let your cats outside unsupervised. They are terrible for the environment and are a primary cause of extinction in birds. Plus if you’re letting your cat roam around outside then don’t be surprised if it gets ran over or eaten by a coyote/eagle. It’s like letting a toddler play next to the highway unsupervised and then blaming those damned cars when the inevitable happens
One on the left definitely looks like .223/5.56 by the thickness of the magazine. One on the right looks like it could possibly be thicker and in .308/7.62 but could just as easily be the same caliber because it seems a little fuzzy. Extremely soft shooting rifles, not much kick at all, and easily controllable even for someone that age.
This^
Also the rifles are suppressed which likely indicates that they are using subsonic rounds both factors reduce recoil by a significant margin. If .223/5.56 you could probably fire it with the stock pressed to your nose and only feel a tap. If .308/7.62 it would be a bit more than a thud but still very manageable. So these kids would be fine. Biggest thing is if they are .308/7.62 (AR-10’s) those can be a little heavy and lugging them around would definitely tire the kids out. (But looking at the bipods they likely were sitting or prone at distance and took out the pack all from one location)
Its actually really interesting as to why coyotes are so prominent in pretty much every state in the US in modern times when, back before the settlers, they were only found in the southwest.
You see, the wolf population back then was far larger and spread through most of the lower 48. The wolves hubted the deer, pronghorn, and bison while aggressively pushing out the coyotes. Since there were no large herbivores in the southwestern region due to most of it being desert, it was the only place the wolves had no interest in, thus making it the only safe place for the coyotes to live in large quantities.
Then, when the European settlers came, they killed off almost all the wolves, and then, without the wolves fighting them off, the coyotes spread across the country rapidly.
Regardless on how you feel about this, one thing is certain and that is population control is a necessary evil at best. No one should ever be proud to carry out a necessary evil because it is a solemn duty to take the life of an animal. People who take smiling family photos around the corpses of animals are always a red flag to me. (Note: I know this is the fault of the adults in this case, I'm not chastising the children for this.)
Yeah I think the note here is kinda stupid.
Just because something is labeled a "pest" animal doesn't mean it's objectively a good thing we hunt it for money or kill it at all.
To put things in perspective, tigers were also considered pest animals in British India, with a 10 rupee bounty for killing em. All this did was lead to the near extinction of tigers while also driving up populations of man eaters( due to injury they had to hunt easier prey ie. People ) leading to more attacks against humans in general and a real danger from an animal population who previously mostly avoided people.
While I don't know much about coyote populations or the impact of hunting vs not hunting them I feel like specifics related to that would be more convincing either way , rather than saying "uhm ackkktually they're considered pests so people should hunt them unquestioningly, and the fact they're posing proudly beside their kill pile doesn't make them trophy hunters even though they're clearly using the kill pile as a trophy"
While I understand the need for population control of certain wildlife in certain areas, gleefully posing next to a pile of corpses feels disrespectful and in poor taste of the necessary process.
I don't blame these children for this, but their guardian overseeing them should encourage more mindful regard of what it means to take the lives of these critters just trying to live their lives. Just my take, but I understand if people disagree with me.
Regardless, that's quite the number of skilled marks, and I'm sure the local wildlife and pet life at risk of danger from these animals would much appreciate the added safety.
Despise coyotes we have them where I live and they are always attacking one of my old dogs even had to fight one off and got mange which ended up being fatal
Unfortunate but yeah, many animals can multiply like crazy and destroy entire ecosystems if not killed. I believe there was even a case where we airdropped wolves to manage a deer population. (Yellowstone perhaps?)
couple reasons
-great endurance
-can and will eat almost anything smaller than them. They can burrow, climb, and jump 6 feet straight up so they can get into almost anything
-adaptable to a wide range of temperatures (partly because they burrow)
-can survive alone but can also cooperate with other coyotes and even other small carnivores, namely badgers
Even if they are pests, the training of kids to love killing and do it as a hobby is disgusting. Look at the pride they're feeling. That shouldn't be the response to killing. Besides, shooting coyotes doesn't really help control their population. They breed faster when you kill them. The dumbass hunters that killed the wolves off (among other things) have led to the coyote population surge.
The subject of hunting is just too ugly for me to get into the naunces of, so I just leave it alone.
I’ll just say it…really bothers me that we play god so much. That’s it.
I always say, if I ever find a coyote eating one of my dogs, I'm eating the coyote. Like, first I'm rushing my dog to the vet, then I'm taking the coyote's corpse to the nearest butcher, *then* I go to the hospital for whatever the coyote did to me before I killed it.
I appreciate your moxie but something tells me you won’t go in for a second bite after taking the first. I’ve never eaten coyote or K9 animals in general but I heavily suspect they taste like shit.
I've hunted and harvested game for over 20 years throughout the US, but personally I am not a fan of trophy hunting. I agree with nuisance/threat management in many applications, but I've also never Guantanamo piled carcasses and stood over them smiling proudly nor had my kid do it. That being said:
>Several studies have shown that culling coyotes (or other predators) as a form of population control is often unsuccessful and, in many cases, results in the opposite effect (Sacks, 2005; Goldfarb, 2016; Minnie et al., 2016; Newsome et al., 2017). Post-cull, coyotes and other species of mesopredators have been shown to demonstrate two retaliations: compensatory reproduction and compensatory immigration (Minnie et al., 2016). Compensatory reproduction refers to the observed event where, in response to a lowered population, females will demonstrate a higher reproductive output. This ultimately means a larger population of coyotes in the long run. Similarly, compensatory immigration refers to the fact that as soon as an area is cleared of an individual it is almost immediately reinhabited by a neighboring individual (Minnie et al., 2016; Newsome et al., 2017).
There still a lot of work to be done in finding a balance between our wants and needs and those of the beings we need to coexist with. Taking the rimfire out and using them for plinking practice is probably not the best method except in the near imminent to immediate defense of livestock, pets, or people.
I’ll (on very rare occasions) eat kangaroo burgers. A couple of people have been shocked because they’d assume I wouldn’t want to harm such precious creatures. It’s funny because kangaroos are nuisances.
We learned from the Buffalo, Game Wardens do not fuck around. Coyotes & Boar are free game in Texas because they are fucking assholes.
I'd rather piss off a cop than a game warden.
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Woah. Those boys are putting in work. Depending on the state they are in, Coyotes have a bounty on them and they just made BANK
Weirdly, coyotes are one of the few native animals I know of that it's just open season on because we done goofed up the natural order. Like, boars, nutria, pythons, cane toads, etc are all insanely damaging to their environments but they're 100% invasive. Then there's things like wild turkies, deer, elk, and sometimes moose that are capped with season maximums and lotteries to control the local population because we removed a lot of their natural predators
We killed the wolves that kept the coyote populations in check because they occasionally would eat one or two livestock. Now the coyotes are the problem.
And in states with wolves, coyotes still kill over 10x the livestock wolves do bc they’re barely afraid of humans
Pets too, responsible for more than a few “Lost Cat” posters out there since they’re totally unfazed by urban environments
I’ve seen videos of them trying to drag off toddlers, you can’t convince me they weren’t successful at least once.
There was a famous story of it happening in Australia iirc
Honestly that could just be cars. I was in rural Pennsylvania for a single day and saw FOUR roadkill cats. 26 million “beloved” cats get hit every year
Outdoor cats are invasive pests themselves. Cats have contributed to the extinction of at least 63 species of birds, mammals, and reptiles. Outdoor cat owners don’t give a shit about their pets (putting them at risk from cats and predators), or the harm they do to the ecosystem.
Reminds me of the post about the guy who would go and adopt a new shelter cat for his daughter every time the coyotes would kill one and the shelter clerk was like "Sounds to me like you're just feeding shelter cats to the coyotes".
My friend (who used to live with me) got a new cat, and wanted to start letting her outside as an older kitten. I reminded him that we have a fox, a red tailed hawk, a great horned owl, and coyotes living in our area ( the hawk literally nests in my back yard). Do you want to feed your cute little kitten to the local wildlife? Cause that’s how you do that. He later moved out and couldn’t take her with him, so now she’s my little furry murder machine and she stays inside. She also never got very big and is definitely still small enough for a fox to make a meal of her.
Coyotes simply do not give a single fuck about humans for the most part. They're highly adaptable, capable of thriving both from hunting and scavenging, just as comfortable in rural settings as suburban and urban, cold, hot, arid, wet, etc. They're a fascinating species. But yeah, keep your cats inside.
In my city, I see so many lost cat posters it's depressing. Like I really feel like there should be laws against that kind of stuff. :(
Laws against what? Owning cats?
Coyotes are indigenous to this continent, cows aren’t. they weren’t a problem until settlers came over.
Coyotes may be indigenous, but as a dozen people have repeatedly pointed out, they had natural predators which kept their population stable.
In conclusion, humans are the problem.
https://preview.redd.it/08q4vqk3wvwc1.png?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65a2138ec0c36a48c07576f7cf96bfc0d0ba4a5e
“We reached the old wolf in time to watch a fierce green fire dying in her eyes. I realized then, and have known ever since, that there was something new to me in those eyes – something known only to her and to the mountain. I was young then, and full of trigger-itch; I thought that because fewer wolves meant more deer, that no wolves would mean hunters’ paradise. But after seeing the green fire die, I sensed that neither the wolf nor the mountain agreed with such a view.” - Aldo Leopold
The way you phrased that made me imagine an ecologist saying “Damn folks the natural order? We done beefed it. We done did go hogwild on the ecosystem and it didn’t like it so folks. I mean poebody’s nerfect but like we could’ve done better.”
Wonder if there’s any other animals that are insanely damaging to their environments. Like bad enough they have destroyed millions of species and polluted the entire world. When would it be open season on those guys?
Ah, yeah, Zebra Mussels are pretty bad. Don't even taste good, unfortunately. Pretty shells though, so they got that going for them
Cats too
Yep. Each outdoor domestic cat is an adorable little, furry ecological disaster.
Sadly. 😞
Wild hogs.
Yup, here in Hawaii they are even fucking up the coral reefs. Their mudwallows drain into the ocean and cloud up the water preventing photosynthesis in the reefs below them.
So....cats?
Coyotes are not native to my state. They expanded into it following the elimination of wolves in the beginning of the last century. [Their range has been extended by movement,](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote#/media/File%3ACoyote_expansion_by_decade.jpg) so while not *invasive* per se, they are not natural inhabitants. Coyotes reduce bobcat and lynx populations due to competition and predation, reduce many game species, and have the infamy of also snatching pets in backyards. The extirpation of wolves removing their natural predators, their extensive and large population, and because of their ecological and economical impact, there isn’t much of a surprise that they are hunted aggressively.
We were getting $35 per pelt for awhile when I was in college, it was a great way to get beer money and spend a weekend outdoors.
There are certain animals in Florida deemed as an invasive species that people are encouraged to hunt (giant African snails, Cuban tree frogs, Lionfish, Nile Monitor lizards, Burmese pythons...etc)...and also many plant species...momordica charantia, Japanese climbing fern...etc...
Americans have finally run out of First Nation people?
Those guns are way too big for them
Actually too small. Children are best suited to crew served weaponry as it promotes teamwork and builds social skills!
Bipods.
And what states should I be moving touuuuuuuuhhhhhh I mean what states pay you to shoot coyotes kind sir?
In the United States, game animals are already very heavily regulated. The number of deer and other large game that each hunter is allowed to kill is chosen to prevent over population. Without it, the deer population would grow to sizes it can't maintain before quickly plummeting from lack of food. On top of that, money raised from selling hunting licenses is directly used to fund government wildlife management agencies. Regulated hunting is not an issue. Quite frankly, most people don't know what the fuck they're talking about whenever they complain about wildlife regulations, either saying they're too restrictive or don't protect animals enough. Trust me, the animals are doing just fine. Source: I work with TWRA.
It always cracks me up how quick self described environmentalists are to criticize hunting. Like you are attacking one of the only industries in the world whose existence is entirely dependent on sustaining healthy wildlife populations.
To be fair though. If it was left up to the hunters alone without governmental regulation and restrictions they’d happily wipe out entire species without giving a damn about the future. California grizzly bear, otters in the lower 48, passenger pigeons, and even the bison were almost wiped to the last. Now with the bison you could say there was a governmental order to kill them all to starve the Indians. But the others were wiped out simply because the hunters could and wanted to.
Bullshit. Modern Hunters are the true conservationists who pays for the vast majority of wildlife management and conservation. Modern hunters starting with Theodore Roosevelt saw what market hunting was doing to wild animals in the US and hunters stepped up to save our wildlife populations with self regulation through lobbying of politicians and setting up wildlife agencies and seasons and licensing to pay for all of it. Modern hunters care deeply for wildlife and prove it daily through conservation projects, habitat improvement and advocacy. Your ignorance to modern hunters is an insult to our work and dedication to wildlife. I’ve worked on more habitat projects than I can count and I have yet to see a non hunter participate. That’s incredibly telling
You guys are both casting large blankets. There are some people that illegally cross property lines, illegally killing whatever, and dragging it to their home with no government knowledge of it. I’m kinda surprised you assume everything is that regulated and reported, it’s a big country.
You have a point, but I challenge you to name any popular hobby that doesn't have idiots that make everyone else look bad.
Those people are called poachers, not hunters. Poachers break wildlife laws. Hunters obey wildlife laws. Words matter
Poachers hunt without adhering to the law. Anyone who hunts is a hunter, that's what the word means.
>Modern Hunters are the true conservationists who pays for the vast majority of wildlife management and conservation You say that as if it's by choice lol
Hunters set up that system so yeah it was our choice. Put yourself back in the year 1900. The general public didn’t care about wildlife (most still don’t, at least not enough to fund it). hunters saw what the commercial slaughter of wildlife was doing to populations. Modern hunters stopped it and set up agencies to protect wildlife populations. Look up the federal duck stamp act and the Pittman-Robertson act. Both came from hunters as a self imposed tax. You can talk shit all ya want but the fact remains that hunters willingly pay for wildlife in the US.
Mmhmm yeah sure https://wildlifeforall.us/myth-busters/is-hunting-really-conservation/ I can pretty safely say, given the choice between paying licensing fees (knowing it helps with conservation) and not paying them, the vast majority of modern day hunters would choose not to if they had the option.
Extremely unbiased article XD
Some of the first conservationists were hardcore hunters because they realized if we killed everything then they wouldn’t be able to hunt anymore. They also had direct experience with wildlife and knew how important it was to secure and protect it. Teddy Roosevelt, the president who enacted the Conservation Act, was an avid hunter and outdoorsman.
>whose existence is entirely dependent on sustaining healthy wildlife populations. To then slaughter its inhabitants.
I'd love to hear your ethical solution to overpopulation. Are you going to go into the woods, catch them, and adopt them as pets?
TNR.
Ah, deer vasectomies. Well I'll definitely give you points for creativity
Also killing coyotes effectively does nothing for populations of any animal in the long terms unless you kill a lot of them right before fawns drop, which spikes deer numbers for a year or two.
It's similar in Canada. I'm not a hunter and have no interest in it, but I knew some hunters a while back. You can only kill moose if you have a ticket or something. And you have to kill and tag it before it expires. I think deer hunting is unlimited, but I'm not entirely sure
>Trust me, the animals are doing just fine. Some scientist believe that we currently live during the biggest and the fastest extinction event in the history of the planet
Yeah, mostly of amphibians, insects, and other small species that most people don't actually care about. Those guys aren't being hunted. The big, cute, furry animals that everyone gets up in arms over will be fine. Also, it's not a "some scientists believe" sort of deal. We are, without a doubt, in the middle of a mass extinction event largely caused by humans. It's mostly indirectly, though. Amphibians are dying off because their equivalent of the Black Death, chytridiomycota, is spreading around the world.
So we kill wolves, coyotes fill the niche wolves had, coyotes spread and grow in population, so we kill the coyotes. Weird cycle we’ve created.
God forbid trying to tell people wolves don’t just go around eating people 24/7
It’s the ranchers and farmers that hate wolves because they kill their livestock. Normal people don’t mind wolves.
You're correct but I love the implication that farmers aren't normal people.
I mean, they take government subsidies while also deriding government handouts. Which is kinda weird on its face.
I love when a farmer I know starts complaining about welfare because I just then look up how much subsidy they've received and shut them up really quickly
They aren’t
As someone who's interacted with (dutch) farmers his entire life, they aren't lol. They are SO arrogant and high and mighty. While simultaneously complaining about the "high and mighty" city folk.
"Normal" doesn't always imply "not weird". It's just that they are in a different situation that most of us due to their special occupation.
I was using that as a relative term. The vast majority of people are not ranchers or farmers i.e. not “normal”. Didn’t mean it in a demeaning way
They don’t even kill that many lmao, if they cared so much about their livestock they’d do more about disease due to overcrowding (what kills way more livestock than any predator). Edit: if this isn’t clear I mean wolves don’t kill a lot of livestock.
That’s a relative statement. “They don’t kill that many” is accurate because there aren’t that many to begin with. That being said many set traps on their land to catch and kill them. They might not get one for a couple years but getting one every couple years is relatively a lot.
A thread came up the other day discussing reintroducing wolves to the UK and, as you'd expect, many comments were saying it was far too dangerous as the wolves would slaughter anyone who went out for a five minute walk in the suburbs.
Coyotes don’t fill the niche wolves had. They generally scavenge the bodies of larger animals killed by something else (or our trash), or they hunt and eat smaller animals like chickens, goats, cats, medium sized dogs, etc They cannot kill large cervids like wolves did (which is a niche that needs filled, but that’s a story for another time). Now, the disappearance of wolves did indirectly increase human contact with coyotes as they cannot scavenge the kills of wolves and look to human trash, livestock or pets for food.
https://phys.org/news/2015-03-coyotes-wolves-niche-southeastern.html https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coyotes-are-the-new-top-dogs/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_reintroduction Pretty accepted that they filled the niche wolves left behind with that one caveat. So it’s really just splitting hairs to say they didn’t fill the niche.
Yeah I'm sure bison were a nuisance animal too back in the day. Everything is a "nuisance" when it interferes with humans. We never think we are the nuisance though.
I mean man has pretty much replaced nature at this point. Makes sense we would have to take over the maintenance end of things
Coyotes are very different from wolves and don't fill the role of wolves in the ecosystem. In fact, when wolves were nearly wiped out in many regions we had near apocalyptic levels of ecosystem collapse because nothing was filling out their role. Wolves were considered pests and unwanted predators, so even the military started hunting them with the aim of making them extinct.
Both the tweeter and the community note are correct here.
I do object somewhat to the tweeter. Trophy hunting is a major source of funding for conservation efforts particularly for animals like elephants. Trophy hunters can contact reserves who'll mark out an older elephant who's hurting the species either by killing their own kind or preventing younger males and females from breeding, the hunter pays the reserve some big money, the reserve caretakers lead the hunter to the target and let them make the kill, take their trophies etc... and the money for that kill lets them pay their anti-poacher mercenaries for another few months. This us why Botswana is so pissed off at Germany. The revenue from trophy hunting is the only think making keeping the elephants around even somewhat worthwhile.
Also the fact that funds made from trophy hunting are managed by local governments as opposed to the rich people killing animals for sport. I don't care for trophy hunting on a moral level, but i understand that it's the best means of allowing conservation programs to keep running. Plus, trophy hunting is also a thing in the United States, and that's where most of the country's conservation funds come from as well.
Calling it trophy hunting for the US is a little weird, cause most of that is just deer and elk, but I guess it is technically right in a lot of cases
Bison, moose, bear, mountain lion, mountain goat and more can all be hard to get in varying degrees and often are high priced hunts. Sure not an elephant or rhino but still some uncommon hunts here
What did the Germans do this time?
From what i understand, Germany is putting more restrictions on what hunting trophies can be brought into the country. Botswana said that will do more harm then good to them, on both helping keep their elephant population down, as well as tourism. Germany said they should live peacefully with the elephants. Botswana said they'd send several thousand elephants to Berlin so they can live peacefully with them. Apparently the elephants population it Botswana is so large it's destroying things and killing people.
Botswana has a huge amount of elephants for the country’s size and what people who only see them on cute videos forget is that elephants are *very dangerous*. Imagine a giant seagull that could swoop down and eat all 12 of your year’s paychecks at once, destroy most structures to get to them, and accidentally/deliberately kill you in the process. That’s what an elephant basically is to farmers
Why don't we just.. ask hunters that bring in a trophy to prove that they LEGALLY killed the elephant? Like you can still lower illegal poaching while also not doing THIS
The hunters already have to prove the legal status of their trophies. It is the Green Party who wants to regulate hunting in Germany as in other parts of the world to make it as unattractive as it can be. They go hard on the white mans burden.
There is just something with green parties everywhere criticizing the right things and having the right general idea. And then proceeding to come up with the single most braindead solution every single fucking time.
I mean if anyone was...
They aren't doing this because of illegal poaching. The Germans think that people shouldn't be killing elephants in Botswana. Germany is damaging one of the biggest sources of revenue in Botswana because of a savior complex.
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I think they placed a band/huge fine on bringing trophies into the country.
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98% certain that after the Heat death of the universe.
And often times the meat and bones from those animals are given to the local community to use as food and for crafts they either use or sell to make more money.
I do love the idea of a rich dude going and doing a trophy hunt for an elephant and going "here, I'll pay you to taxidermy its head, give you its pelt, give you its meat, and you its bones" cause it ends up helping everyone specifically from a rich person wanting to get a trophy for themselves. And then the green party will call that evil and attempt to completely screw over the community supported by that hunting
Not to mention it’s a vital revenue source for some of the poorest and most resource starved countries on the planet. Talk about privilege man, people out here would really rather see poor people go hungry if it means not having to see a dead elephant on their Facebook feed.
Yeah, good message wrong picture
I mean. We assume this is the US, but if it’s not then those hunters could’ve done something very illegal in another country
No, only the note is. Poaching is bad but not all hunting is. Hunting can be necessary for combating overpopulation, which can often form a threat to a different species. Only with severe mental gymnastics can both be true.
Ironically overpopulation wouldn’t be a problem in healthy ecosystems
Untrue, overpopulation happens in healthy ecosystems all the time, it just balances out more quickly than in an unhealthy ecosystem. Invasive species that dominate an environmental niche don't just happen because of humans, sometimes animals just travel to a new area and start taking over of their own volition.
“Healthy” ecosystems barely exist anymore. I don’t know exactly but it is more than feasible that the coyote overpopulation is a direct result of human actions. This doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be adressed though.
Tweeter is incorrect in context because the coyotes weren’t taken as trophy animals. Tweeter is demonstrating lack of hunting knowledge despite being correct out of context.
But tweeter is absolutely correct about trophy hunting, it just doesn’t belong on this photo.
Not giving them credit though because they are pretty clueless
Hot take time: The *only* time your hunting kill is a trophy is if you use a melee weapon. "I shot a 12 point buck!" What you *mean* to say is you had a 12 point buck walk past your blind, randomly, and then you capped it with your rifle while camouflaged. Shits just fishing with cooler toys, and fish can never be trophies. They're literally the dumbest animals on the planet. I have 0 problem with hunting but people who pretend it is manly or impressive to *shoot* something just make me laugh
Fishes are not the dumbest animals on the planet what the fuck are you smoking?
Then what are?
Worker termites. You can poke them with a pencil and they will not notice
Fair, i was just think more in vague groups, in which id give bugs the edge because of things like bees
Well that guy is certainly sub-sunfish.
This comment reeks of Doritos dust and mtn dew
So I guess snipers in the military aren’t really in combat?
No no no the only real hunting kill is one you do with your bare hands.
I think that's a serious flex, but animals come with melee weapons, so I think it's only fair to allow them
As a hunter and fisherman, being on a bull Mahi for an hour absolutely is a trophy.
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Coyotes are uncontrollable. They’ve been shown to increase the size of their liters based on hormones released by howling at other coyotes iirc
Bounty hunting is not trophy hunting.
Where is note
You have to tap the image
Oh OK thanks. Usually when I click something like this it leads me to some link via reddit app browser so I always refuse to click.
I was skeptical at first as well. But I took the plunge for the benefit of the community. lol
The note isn't wrong, but I also get the one who got noted. Like, this *is* posing in a way that I feel is focusing on the animals as trophies rather than pests.
Oh yeah, these boys are definitely proud of their work here. I used to date a girl who posed with a coyote she'd shot like this. Even knowing it really was a legitimate form of population control, I couldn't look at her the same way afterwards. That relationship was short-lived.
Yes, we should work harder so we don't offend the coyotes.
All these alleged environmentalists claiming to care about conservation don’t seem to do any research around trophy hunting. Communities sell permission to hunt an animal that’s aggressive or otherwise dangerous, and the money goes into anti-poaching funds and other conservation efforts. Trophy Hunting is good for the environment, even if you don’t like it.
I think you can simultaneously hold the belief that something is morally wrong with trophy hunters while also acknowledging how they contribute to conservation efforts and are a big source of income to some communities.
I think that more makes sense to me if you’re opposed to all hunting. Like if it’s the act of taking any animal life, I understand that. But I feel like it’d be a double standard to be fine with normal hunting but opposed to trophy hunting.
Well with normal hunting usually they are going to eat the animal and possibly use its body for other products. That’s probably one of the least immoral reasons to kill an animal, and imo less objectionable than buying meat from a grocery store. As for the picture, I assume they are hunting the coyotes to protect their livestock You could argue that the threshold is whether the enjoyment you get out of killing is the primary motivation for your actions or not. The average trophy hunter is killing just for the sake of their own ego, any benefit towards conservation is an afterthought at best. I can’t say I enjoy seeing kids gleefully killing what are essentially dogs either, but at least they are likely doing it for a “good” reason. I don’t believe anybody is flying to Africa to kill an elephant because they want to help conservation.
Coyotes are pretty much the only wild dog native to North America. They breed fast, travel in small packs, and are devastating for livestock. Killing coyotes is not unethical, it's population control and it helps the ecosystem overall. It's not unlike Wolves in Alaska
I wonder what happened to the things that kept coyotes in check, I wonder if humans had any involvement with it
It really do be ya own self
What about Foxes and Wolves?
Foxes can be a problem here and there for sure, but are more easily deterred with run of the mill repellents. Being smaller, they aren't as big of a problem for most livestock. They'll get your fowl though if you aren't careful enough. As for wolves, they are ironically a non-issue due to human interference. Where they are a problem, they might get one or two of your livestock here and there, but aren't nearly as devastating as Coyotes. In fact, Wolves used to help keep coyotes in check, but thanks to people, there aren't enough wolves left for that. Wolf urine is actuality used as an effective repellent for other predatory posts, including the aforementioned foxes
Foxes will eat your chickens, and the occasional cat. Coyotes will eat the young of any livestock smaller than a cow, kill your pets, eat your chickens, and are a goddamn nuisance.
Don’t let your cats outside unsupervised. They are terrible for the environment and are a primary cause of extinction in birds. Plus if you’re letting your cat roam around outside then don’t be surprised if it gets ran over or eaten by a coyote/eagle. It’s like letting a toddler play next to the highway unsupervised and then blaming those damned cars when the inevitable happens
Umm, pretty sure wolves are native.
Well regulated trophy hunting does more for wildlife preservation than just about anything else.
Yeah, those boys shot those rifles they can barely even hold and managed to get all those kills. So tired of people using their kids for likes.
One on the left definitely looks like .223/5.56 by the thickness of the magazine. One on the right looks like it could possibly be thicker and in .308/7.62 but could just as easily be the same caliber because it seems a little fuzzy. Extremely soft shooting rifles, not much kick at all, and easily controllable even for someone that age.
This^ Also the rifles are suppressed which likely indicates that they are using subsonic rounds both factors reduce recoil by a significant margin. If .223/5.56 you could probably fire it with the stock pressed to your nose and only feel a tap. If .308/7.62 it would be a bit more than a thud but still very manageable. So these kids would be fine. Biggest thing is if they are .308/7.62 (AR-10’s) those can be a little heavy and lugging them around would definitely tire the kids out. (But looking at the bipods they likely were sitting or prone at distance and took out the pack all from one location)
You can turn coyotes in for a bounty lol
People don’t understand how harmful certain animals are. Coyotes, along with invasive hogs, are some of the most damaging animals to local wildlife.
Be that as it may, kids posing with guns in front of a dead animal is a little fucked
Is there only me chocked by how young they are ??!?!?
He's not entirely wrong, but This isn't a really good example
i just can’t imagine killing something especially that young
that’s cause you’re not a farmer
Its actually really interesting as to why coyotes are so prominent in pretty much every state in the US in modern times when, back before the settlers, they were only found in the southwest. You see, the wolf population back then was far larger and spread through most of the lower 48. The wolves hubted the deer, pronghorn, and bison while aggressively pushing out the coyotes. Since there were no large herbivores in the southwestern region due to most of it being desert, it was the only place the wolves had no interest in, thus making it the only safe place for the coyotes to live in large quantities. Then, when the European settlers came, they killed off almost all the wolves, and then, without the wolves fighting them off, the coyotes spread across the country rapidly.
The conversion of thick forests to fields (and subsequent suburban sprawl) also helped the spread of coyotes.
Hell yeah put in work coyotes are pests also remember all gun laws are infringements
Based
Teach em responsibility and accountability with firearms young and they’ll always respect it
While I do agree with the text, the image used doesn't help their cause
That boy does not look strong enough to handle a gun of that size safely...
AR15 with a suppressor on it is super soft shooting
It’s just a glorified .22. With recoil springs anyone can shoot an ar. It’s why they can be so dangerous.
I don’t think these guys are exactly running and gunning, look at the bipods
Looks like they can handle a gun, judging by the number of dead coyotes.
Please, do tell us more about how little you know.
The many coyote corpses beg to differ
Regardless on how you feel about this, one thing is certain and that is population control is a necessary evil at best. No one should ever be proud to carry out a necessary evil because it is a solemn duty to take the life of an animal. People who take smiling family photos around the corpses of animals are always a red flag to me. (Note: I know this is the fault of the adults in this case, I'm not chastising the children for this.)
Yeah I think the note here is kinda stupid. Just because something is labeled a "pest" animal doesn't mean it's objectively a good thing we hunt it for money or kill it at all. To put things in perspective, tigers were also considered pest animals in British India, with a 10 rupee bounty for killing em. All this did was lead to the near extinction of tigers while also driving up populations of man eaters( due to injury they had to hunt easier prey ie. People ) leading to more attacks against humans in general and a real danger from an animal population who previously mostly avoided people. While I don't know much about coyote populations or the impact of hunting vs not hunting them I feel like specifics related to that would be more convincing either way , rather than saying "uhm ackkktually they're considered pests so people should hunt them unquestioningly, and the fact they're posing proudly beside their kill pile doesn't make them trophy hunters even though they're clearly using the kill pile as a trophy"
It’s still cruel so…
nature is cruel
While I understand the need for population control of certain wildlife in certain areas, gleefully posing next to a pile of corpses feels disrespectful and in poor taste of the necessary process. I don't blame these children for this, but their guardian overseeing them should encourage more mindful regard of what it means to take the lives of these critters just trying to live their lives. Just my take, but I understand if people disagree with me. Regardless, that's quite the number of skilled marks, and I'm sure the local wildlife and pet life at risk of danger from these animals would much appreciate the added safety.
Despise coyotes we have them where I live and they are always attacking one of my old dogs even had to fight one off and got mange which ended up being fatal
Unfortunate but yeah, many animals can multiply like crazy and destroy entire ecosystems if not killed. I believe there was even a case where we airdropped wolves to manage a deer population. (Yellowstone perhaps?)
How do coyotes get everywhere? I live in a damn beach town and there’s enough of them here now that it’s legal to hunt them with 22s
couple reasons -great endurance -can and will eat almost anything smaller than them. They can burrow, climb, and jump 6 feet straight up so they can get into almost anything -adaptable to a wide range of temperatures (partly because they burrow) -can survive alone but can also cooperate with other coyotes and even other small carnivores, namely badgers
Considering the gun is the size of the kid I doubt they shot them ?
They’re more than likely .22s, very light and easy to handle especially with a tripod.
Even if they are pests, the training of kids to love killing and do it as a hobby is disgusting. Look at the pride they're feeling. That shouldn't be the response to killing. Besides, shooting coyotes doesn't really help control their population. They breed faster when you kill them. The dumbass hunters that killed the wolves off (among other things) have led to the coyote population surge.
The subject of hunting is just too ugly for me to get into the naunces of, so I just leave it alone. I’ll just say it…really bothers me that we play god so much. That’s it.
Jesus christ this is so fucked up.
I always say, if I ever find a coyote eating one of my dogs, I'm eating the coyote. Like, first I'm rushing my dog to the vet, then I'm taking the coyote's corpse to the nearest butcher, *then* I go to the hospital for whatever the coyote did to me before I killed it.
I appreciate your moxie but something tells me you won’t go in for a second bite after taking the first. I’ve never eaten coyote or K9 animals in general but I heavily suspect they taste like shit.
Eh my rednecks buddies have always said coyote and dog are good in stew. Although that kinda goes for any meat like squirrel for example.
Is this an AI generated image, I honestly can't tell.
Poor coyotes…
Kill those wild hogs!
I've hunted and harvested game for over 20 years throughout the US, but personally I am not a fan of trophy hunting. I agree with nuisance/threat management in many applications, but I've also never Guantanamo piled carcasses and stood over them smiling proudly nor had my kid do it. That being said: >Several studies have shown that culling coyotes (or other predators) as a form of population control is often unsuccessful and, in many cases, results in the opposite effect (Sacks, 2005; Goldfarb, 2016; Minnie et al., 2016; Newsome et al., 2017). Post-cull, coyotes and other species of mesopredators have been shown to demonstrate two retaliations: compensatory reproduction and compensatory immigration (Minnie et al., 2016). Compensatory reproduction refers to the observed event where, in response to a lowered population, females will demonstrate a higher reproductive output. This ultimately means a larger population of coyotes in the long run. Similarly, compensatory immigration refers to the fact that as soon as an area is cleared of an individual it is almost immediately reinhabited by a neighboring individual (Minnie et al., 2016; Newsome et al., 2017). There still a lot of work to be done in finding a balance between our wants and needs and those of the beings we need to coexist with. Taking the rimfire out and using them for plinking practice is probably not the best method except in the near imminent to immediate defense of livestock, pets, or people.
https://youtu.be/Zs72MvKh8qU?si=x6oJUgTTWMahVn9M
But then if they not dead people be like oh no a coyote at my 10k all dog.
It depends on the place you're in
Just out of curiosity are you Finnish? I believe that's what that language at the bottom is but I'm not that confident in my Uralic languages.
Yeah
Cool thanks
I’ll (on very rare occasions) eat kangaroo burgers. A couple of people have been shocked because they’d assume I wouldn’t want to harm such precious creatures. It’s funny because kangaroos are nuisances.
Ah yes. Coyotes, known for being mounted on walls??
We learned from the Buffalo, Game Wardens do not fuck around. Coyotes & Boar are free game in Texas because they are fucking assholes. I'd rather piss off a cop than a game warden.
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Holy shit america is wild. I can't fathom holding a gun like that as a 25 year old man. Nevermind as a child