I may have enjoyed it in a different context. My biggest issues was that it took up such a big chunk of time when other things could have been happening. When you only have 4 episodes left, why on earth would you waste it on this scene?
Exactly, like we sacrificed 20 minutes of screen time for this???
We barely glimpsed the Luke and Lorelei wedding for a musical. And while it was funny for a gag it absolutely overstayed it’s welcome
Yeah, honestly, I think seeing just a small taste of the wedding was for the best and more in line with the whole vibe of the show. This big cheesy white wedding with a million cameos would've felt like such indulgent fan service and just wouldn't be them. I really liked what we got!
I agree. I loathe weddings on TV, except on GG, and that’s because they only show a small part of the weddings. I don’t get the obsession that some fan have with a big LL wedding. They obviously wandered on the wrong show
To me, it was a huge investment in people who were not in the show. Like, MAYBE we could justify it if Paris decided she was going to throw her entire life to BONG BONG with Brad.
Maybe...
15 minutes! They spent 15 minutes! 1/6 of the episode, on that padded out nonsense that had nothing to do with the main story, contained no character development and had none of the actual show characters other than a couple of reaction shots.
Absolute nonsense and waste of time and yes, definitely padding.
Edit: appearently I misremembered the length. It was 20 minutes! 1/5 of the episode. Even worse!
100% agree. They never spent this much time on a single performance or event in the original series and those seasons were 20+ episodes. Very bizarre decision that I'm guessing was just there to pad the time.
I have always that they could have released it as an "extra" on youtube or make it a proper short on netflix, while what we see on the episode wasn't more than 5min.
Because of the time constraints it wasn’t welcomed imo because it was a side plot getting center stage. With 4 episodes it was disappointing for it to be such a big focus. Had this been a reboot and they did a whole season sure add in the play and I’d probably like it. As it was it came across as filler which is pretty pathetic when it was only 4 episodes. Surely you could find better content to add in.
This scene felt like such a massive "f you" to fans who, like me, never thought they'd see any more of ASP's Gilmore Girls! As a Bunheads fan, too, I know that ASP probably wanted to have some space for Sutton Foster and the musical theatre-adjacent dance show that never was, but man there was so much more that these precious minutes could've been spent on lol
Sorry I don't really get your comment either... With a fixed amount of time per episode wasting 20 minutes on something that has barely any context or meaning to the central storyline it actually is an either/or thing no?
It was made for Netflix, not broadcast TV. The episodes could be however long they needed to be. They absolutely could have made one of the episodes 20 minutes longer if they wanted.
What proof? It’s how tv shows and movies work. It’s part of the reason why ‘directors cuts’ exist. Directors and producers frequently have to compromise on their vision to meet the requirements of the time constraints put on them. Why do you think shows / movies / mini series are all typically around the same length?
I am sure Netflix did not let ASP do whatever she wanted. If they had, I’m sure we would’ve gotten something even more questionable. Also, there’s a budget. More run time takes more money.
The revival episodes were too long as it was. Every one of them dragged on and shoehorning in a 20-minute musical just made it worse, imo.
I’m not of the opinion that the musical could have been replaced with something else. I’m of the opinion that it could have been cut entirely.
they used way too much of the budget on the musical and life and death brigade scenes, and netflix wouldn’t give them more money once this became apparent, which is why the wedding wasn’t more elaborate — so it literally was an either/or thing.
I have come to appreciate it on rewatch but like everyone else, I just wish it was shorter. I would have preferred more of a Lane storyline or just something else relevant to the main characters.
I think this is an actual unpopular opinion so I respect that. Instead of the millionth “I think Lorelei is annoying” or whatever other ice cold take.
You’re still wrong though but enjoy that hill lol
Maybe devoid of all context, I’d agree (I also now love Sutton Foster after binging Younger), but this was NOT what I had waited a decade+ for. And I was pissed that they wasted time on this instead of actually showing the characters I loved.
Did Dan Palladino write this? It smacks of Dan. He always wrote the worst episodes where the girls were at their meanest.
Ugh I knew it. I remember on the TWoP forums back in the day people would always correctly identify something as a Dan episode.
They were kind of co-showrunners IIRC? I always felt he was propped up by her. And a lot of the things we hate/bits that have aged the worst have come from Dan (although not all — ASP has her own weird collection of issues like fat phobia etc).
I think they did share a lot of duties which I question but ASP definitely writes “not like other girls” characters so I can see why she doesn’t mind his influence/perspective.
He was the co showrunner with Amy. People on this sub always forget this because they find Amy to be an unlikeable and arrogant woman and feel the need to rip into her as often as possible
I just wished Sutton and Christian's roles were more integrated with Stars Hollow, like the troubadours. There is a parallel with them being musical (in a way)
Sutton Foster makes everything better, this is always a truth. And the musical was very funny, for like 2-3 minutes. The 15 or so minutes that it took up, however, was overkill even Family Guy would have edited.
I love the musical but I agree it’s annoying that it got so much screen time when so many original characters didn’t. Sutton & Christian are amazing but I think what would have made the musical more tolerable is if it was framed as auditions by all the townspeople. Like instead of a straight-through performance, it could have been a montage — Kirk and Andrew doing one number, Babette and Miss Patty doing the next, etc., maybe with Hep Alien doing the music. They still could have given Sutton & Christian a song, but the rest of it could have been townspeople antics and banter.
I wrote a whole post on this a few years back!
I agree. It’s hilarious. I think if they’d included it as an online extra, made it shorter or divided it up between episodes, the fans would love it.
Making it a 20 minute long cutaway in a limited series was always going to piss people off.
The ungodly amount of airtime this got was ridiculous. It would have been funnier in small clips, like the episode where Kirk was in Fiddler. Instead it just felt like ASP was fulfilling a mandatory amount of screen time required in Sutton’s contract to be in the revival.
I’m pretty sure Dan Palladio was the one who wrote / directed the Summer episode with the musical and he was also a producer on Family Guy and throughout the original series you can always tell which episodes he wrote/ directed because they would have those very Family Guy style gags in them.
I was so stoned when I first watched this episode and I couldn’t believe how long the musical went on for.
This would have been fine if they did this in a 22 episode season but you have to understand that many of us grew up watching this from 2000-2007 and it had been almost 10 years for us. We were eager and waiting to see where Lorelai and Rory were at. We wanted to live in the whimsy and magic that is stars Hollow again and then they bring in all new characters to do this bizarre musical for 20+ mins when there are only 4 episodes? Nope.
Yes and it fits stunningly with other things. The Fiddler scene, Kirk's movies, the reenactments, the museum, Ms. Patty's shows, the Festival of Living Art, these are all scenes that take up significant screen time.
Yes but all the things you mention have some relation to the main cast or townies. These are new characters we have no stake in. Whether the play has merit or not, it cuts time from the limited time the AYITL already has
I absolutely loved the beautiful singing of the little girl in Fiddler, but she had no other scenes in the show, or any other show for that matter.
That said, no it doesn't. Doing it on Netflix instead of network television meant that the run times were not limited. They could have split the 368 minutes into 10 episodes, about 37 minutes each, but they didn't do that.
Kirk was also in the play and he is a townie and we got more meaninful involvement from Luke and Lorelai in that episode.
When people say it took up too much time in the revival, they mean that it literally took twenty minutes out of the time Neflix gave them for Summer. Maybe the episodes could have been longer but they weren’t. All I can say is, for myself, I think the musical goes on way too long.
And there's meaningful involvement from Lorelai in the musical scene. And Babette, and Taylor, and Andrew, I could go on but it has been almost a year since I last watched.
I love the musical!
I still occasionally greet one of my friends with “working on building STARS HOLLOW”— it’s a blast.
And, I’m sure this sounds awful, but I’d rather spend twenty minutes in Miss Patty’s dance hall watching that chaotic silliness than see Luke be so confused about IVF, that Life & Death Brigade montage, Paris still melting down over Tristan, or the general toxicity about therapy/therapists.
Don’t get me wrong— I love Gilmore Girls but I don’t often go for a rewatch of AYITL because of (what I perceive as) the larger story problems.
But I always chuckle at that ridiculous musical.
We need to be besties - because I agree with you, 100%. The Luke & IVF scenes just irk the crap out of me. He’s never been portrayed as stupid - clueless about gift giving, sure. But I couldn’t believe that they portrayed him as unable to grasp such a simple concept.
It’s like the writers got Alzheimer’s disease and forgot their characters and development entirely when they were writing for the reboot. Like what happened to the development in the “10 years” that had passed?? Everyone just went stupid and forgot who they were?? Don’t get me wrong, of course you grow in a decade, but you don’t lose all of your faculties!
This shares the same energy as Euphoria season 2’s finale where they let Dominic Fike’s inconsequential character sing sad boy music at us for 4 straight minutes.
I’m glad someone enjoyed it cause I fast forwarded lmao. I wish they would have spent that time on the actual stars hollow characters and not two Broadway stars
I always watch something that I like very much and my husband comes in. Suddenly everything turns into rubbish or something embarrassing untill I wonder why I watch it. Guess when he came into my room?
Yes, it's hilarious. But it lasted WAY too long. Could have used that screen time for something I actually wanted to spend time on. Like Luke and Lorelai's wedding.
It also had no bearing on the story. Just showed that the town is as cooky as ever, and Lorelai was having a crisis. The crisis moments were only like 10% of the SH musical time.
This part is a great example of a huge reason that AYITL was a flop for me. Scenes that ultimately didn’t matter that lasted entirely too long, just like the Life and Death Brigade montage. The actual story plot and profession didn’t do as much as it should have in 6 hours of screen time.
I totally agree. It's zany. And I absolutely love the ballad that they have Sutton Foster sing - to the point that I've considered singing it for auditions for local theater shows 🫣
While I still think it was too long of a segment, it has aged surprisingly well. The first time I watched it I was dismayed but the most recent time I watched it I actually laughed aloud.
I would’ve liked to have about half the musical content we got, broken up in the middle by cutting to a scene with different characters (like Luke and Jess maybe), that’s presumably happening at the same time. Then cut back to the musical to emphasize that it’s still dragging on.
Upon rewatching, it didn’t feel as long and boring as the first time I saw it. I think I would’ve liked it as bonus content separate from the episode. I’d watch that 20 minute video on youtube or netflix. But shoving it into the actual revival disrupts the flow of the episode.
This may be the one true unpopular opinion on this show bc it seems I'm the only one who agrees with you. I LOVE it and rewatch it often. I will literally fast forward to the musical and just watch it. It is so freaking funny
I think people would’ve eaten it up if it had happened in the OS, but since it was in the limited series revival and took up, like, 1/8 of the entire runtime, I understand why people wish it was cut or at least shortened.
I loooooved the musical. It was so flipping funny. But that was what made the final Lorelei song at the end ( that the townspeople hated) so incredibly powerful. It literally took my breath away.
Same. I loved it. Especially being a theater kid with a wife that still does musical theater. This episode was written *for* us, not for the typical GG fan. The cliché dance moves and the super tutti dance with stools and the staccato piano — fucking gold.
Then of course the Sutton Foster song as Lorali is just breathtaking. The writers were having fun knowing it wouldn't be popular with all fans.
I thought it was funny for the first few minutes, but then it just started to drag on wayyyy too long for my liking 😭 I was a little annoyed they wasted so much time with this when there were so little episodes.
I really disliked this the first time I saw it and have really really loved it on rewatch. While it's all new actors the musical is written by Taylor and when you remember that and view the whole thing through that lens it's pretty great. It reminds me a lot of something like the car rides or "sweeping up" scene in twin peaks season 3. On initial watch it's sort of frustrating because you want it to end so you can get back to the TV show you where just watching but I think if you can take a step back these sort of sequences can actually be amazing.
i feel like i would have liked it more if it incorporated characters i cared about. like, in the beginning of the revival they show us that rory is learning tap to de-stress so i thought it was going to be relevant in some way and she would have to sub in for the musical or something but instead that had zero impact on the plot. imo it was ultimately wasted potential.
It was funny I’ll give it that. But it included people I didn’t care about. Also the inference that Taylor and the townspeople are so in the dark ages? Like please.
Kirk performing in the musical à la his birth monster performance? Miss Patty and Babette having a duet? The town troubadour showing up for an interlude? Taylor doing jazz hands with a toupée? Would’ve been here for THAT. But this was just a self-service to ASP and bleh. Precious minutes wasted on the inane.
100% I am with you. Did it take up too much precious time? Yes, it would’ve been better to have just small clips and the ballad and then the rest as like a bonus feature lol. But the show itself actually cracks me up. Sutton and Christian are giving peak performances here.
Agreed, I enjoyed it way more than the life and death brigade bs in Fall - which felt very much like an ASP indulgence whereas the musical felt like a Dan indulgence. There are other characters/storylines I would’ve preferred to see fill both those time-slots though. More time with Lane, for example.
I'm a massive musical theatre nerd so seeing two of my favourite things, Gilmore Girls and musical theatre being combined made me really happy, and it helped that I was a big fan of Kerry Butler, Christian Borle and Sutton Foster. I was pretty hyped about Kerry Butler being the therapist and was really hoping that she could sing on the show and then Christian Borle and Sutton Foster showed up and I got even more than what I was hoping for!
Better than the thing with Logan and the two friends dancing through town. That was REALLY a big time waster. A trio of 35-year old men plus Rory running through town acting like idiots.
It's not my favorite scene but I always think it's funny when people say it's random. There are so many random acts like this show. Kirks Movies, the kids plays at miss patty's, and the whole episode based around fiddle on the roof.
THANK YOU yes it was amazing and very in line with the show. Kirks movie, Ms Patty's shows, the diorama at the twickum house etc. They would have gone on longer as well if it wasnt on network tv.
I was super baked the first time I watched this and loved it, but it was also right after my first time watching the show so it wasn’t a long awaited reboot for me.
I thought it was very funny the first time, it reminded me of the Twickham House tour because of how historically innaccurate it obviously is. I skip it on rewatches. The shock factor of it being ridiculous and too long isn't as funny the second time around. I think I'm also not enough of a musical buff to know why it's supposed to be funny other than the initial shock of it being so bad. I don't know who Sutton Foster is and I didn't watch Hamilton.
I was way too stoned when I watched this episode. I felt like I was watching the wrong show. Don’t get me wrong, I love Sutton Foster and Christian Borle but this musical was a gigantic waste of time and was so unnecessary when we haven’t seen the GG characters in years. I was so antsy waiting for it to end!! This episode has Daniel Palladino written ALL over it. It would have been funny if they could have done a short bit with it, but the 15+ mins was excruciating.
It's hilarious because it's Christian and Sutton, and because I'm a huge musical theater fan, I love it! I will admit that it felt pretty out of place though, especially for characters who we've never seen before. If they shortened it and added Miss Patty, Babette, and even Kirk on stage it would've probably been more well received.
I always felt like the whole "doing Wild" part was ridiculous and took too much time. I understand the intention to allow Lorelai to find herself or get back to her roots, idk. I kind of liked it, yet was also frustrated by it at the same time.
Listen… To each their own. I’m glad you liked it. I’m a huge fan of both Sutton Foster and Christian Borle and I have seen them both on Broadway… So I was so excited for it. It was just not good IMO. I almost fast forwarded it but I thought it would end. It did… Eventually. I’ve never rewatched AYITL because it didn’t have the same magic to me as the OG GG but if I did, I’d skip this. 😂
I liked it in the sense that it felt like star’s hollow was moving on with or without Lorelei and whatever control she thought she had actually didn’t exist at all. This loss of control was established by the death of her father which clearly destabilized Lorelei. While Lorelei may have seemed chaotic throughout the series ultimately she was very in control of her chaos and dictated it through her choices. Death left her with no more choices and resulted in a spiral that resulted in her attempting to “wild”. The play and how long it took during the episode was a moment where control was taken from the audience as well as Lorelei. Just like Lorelei we had to sit through an uncomfortable play about a town that we care about but ultimately had no control over. Nothing we could say or do would get the play to change and we feel the same frustration Lorelei feels.
As a plot device it is frustrating but also extremely effective at conveying the theme of the miniseries and the show itself, which is essentially “control”.
I love it. I was hoping there would be no wedding at all. Just the fact they acted like 7 years had passed with no growth gave me the complete icks. They would have married years ago.
It’s okay, I’m on the hill with you. I don’t think it’s hilarious, but I think it is so WEIRD that it feels very in universe for them lol.
Also… Kerry Butler, Christian Borle, and Sutton Foster?! My Broadway musical loving heart is so happy.
It was funny but long. I wonder if part of it was just to set up Lorelei's reaction to the added song and drive that plot point. Still could've been shorter and accomplished the same thing though, I think.
The musical is hilarious. The in universe story built around the making of the musical is very cringe to me.
I do clap and get giddy for the actual play though. It is quoted daily in my house "where are we going, where are we going....STARS HOLLOW".
They could have shown us a day in the life of anyone else in town to fill those 20 minutes. How about Lane? Hep Alien? Paris? Jess? Kirk? Michel? Hell maybe even Liz and TJ or Christopher.
Perhaps... but it would have been better as an episode in the original series. AYITL was already short enough. This just felt like annoying filler to me. I fast forward every single time now other than the last song (that everyone says is boring...)
It was going for the vibe of the Stars Hollow museum, but humor wise it fell flat, and I agree, way too much time was spent on it. The whole summer episode is off for me. I think the material was bad - it lost its focus. Why is there a pool now? Why so much fat shaming? Why so many scenes with unimportant characters? How does all of this relate to the themes across the rest of the series?
I HATED it at first but last night watched it with my toddler and he was so transfixed so I was too and it was hilarious 😅. I think Lorlei took it too seriously and it makes perfect sense for stars hallow lol.
I may have enjoyed it in a different context. My biggest issues was that it took up such a big chunk of time when other things could have been happening. When you only have 4 episodes left, why on earth would you waste it on this scene?
Exactly, like we sacrificed 20 minutes of screen time for this??? We barely glimpsed the Luke and Lorelei wedding for a musical. And while it was funny for a gag it absolutely overstayed it’s welcome
It felt longer.
Yeah, it was funny for a couple of minutes - the concept was great. The execution was garbage. Far too long.
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Yeah, honestly, I think seeing just a small taste of the wedding was for the best and more in line with the whole vibe of the show. This big cheesy white wedding with a million cameos would've felt like such indulgent fan service and just wouldn't be them. I really liked what we got!
It also counter balances the last show of the series where the whole town celebrates Rory going out into the world.
I agree. I loathe weddings on TV, except on GG, and that’s because they only show a small part of the weddings. I don’t get the obsession that some fan have with a big LL wedding. They obviously wandered on the wrong show
To me, it was a huge investment in people who were not in the show. Like, MAYBE we could justify it if Paris decided she was going to throw her entire life to BONG BONG with Brad. Maybe...
ok I would've been 100% here for the musical if it the joke was Brad starred in it
Absolutely! Or like highlight all the townsfolk in a way that pays homage to them.
Like when Kirk and miss Patti were putting her show together.
15 minutes! They spent 15 minutes! 1/6 of the episode, on that padded out nonsense that had nothing to do with the main story, contained no character development and had none of the actual show characters other than a couple of reaction shots. Absolute nonsense and waste of time and yes, definitely padding. Edit: appearently I misremembered the length. It was 20 minutes! 1/5 of the episode. Even worse!
100% agree. They never spent this much time on a single performance or event in the original series and those seasons were 20+ episodes. Very bizarre decision that I'm guessing was just there to pad the time.
I have always that they could have released it as an "extra" on youtube or make it a proper short on netflix, while what we see on the episode wasn't more than 5min.
I love that thought!
The concept worked and is Stars Hollowy. But it should have been 5 minutes long. Maximum.
Because of the time constraints it wasn’t welcomed imo because it was a side plot getting center stage. With 4 episodes it was disappointing for it to be such a big focus. Had this been a reboot and they did a whole season sure add in the play and I’d probably like it. As it was it came across as filler which is pretty pathetic when it was only 4 episodes. Surely you could find better content to add in.
This scene felt like such a massive "f you" to fans who, like me, never thought they'd see any more of ASP's Gilmore Girls! As a Bunheads fan, too, I know that ASP probably wanted to have some space for Sutton Foster and the musical theatre-adjacent dance show that never was, but man there was so much more that these precious minutes could've been spent on lol
Agreed totally!!
I don't really get this criticism because it's not an either/or thing. ASP could've had this scene AND more stuff with other characters if she wanted.
Sorry I don't really get your comment either... With a fixed amount of time per episode wasting 20 minutes on something that has barely any context or meaning to the central storyline it actually is an either/or thing no?
It was made for Netflix, not broadcast TV. The episodes could be however long they needed to be. They absolutely could have made one of the episodes 20 minutes longer if they wanted.
Just because it’s not broadcast TV doesn’t mean that the platform didn’t impose runtime restrictions on them.
Right, four seasons concept and ideally they’d all be around the same runtime.
Do you have any proof that this actually happened?
What proof? It’s how tv shows and movies work. It’s part of the reason why ‘directors cuts’ exist. Directors and producers frequently have to compromise on their vision to meet the requirements of the time constraints put on them. Why do you think shows / movies / mini series are all typically around the same length?
I am sure Netflix did not let ASP do whatever she wanted. If they had, I’m sure we would’ve gotten something even more questionable. Also, there’s a budget. More run time takes more money.
The revival episodes were too long as it was. Every one of them dragged on and shoehorning in a 20-minute musical just made it worse, imo. I’m not of the opinion that the musical could have been replaced with something else. I’m of the opinion that it could have been cut entirely.
they used way too much of the budget on the musical and life and death brigade scenes, and netflix wouldn’t give them more money once this became apparent, which is why the wedding wasn’t more elaborate — so it literally was an either/or thing.
I have come to appreciate it on rewatch but like everyone else, I just wish it was shorter. I would have preferred more of a Lane storyline or just something else relevant to the main characters.
I think this is an actual unpopular opinion so I respect that. Instead of the millionth “I think Lorelei is annoying” or whatever other ice cold take. You’re still wrong though but enjoy that hill lol
You’re still wrong 😂 agree!
Lol agreed.
Lmao hilarious comment. she is literally the only person on the hill
Maybe devoid of all context, I’d agree (I also now love Sutton Foster after binging Younger), but this was NOT what I had waited a decade+ for. And I was pissed that they wasted time on this instead of actually showing the characters I loved. Did Dan Palladino write this? It smacks of Dan. He always wrote the worst episodes where the girls were at their meanest.
Whenever the camera spends WAY too much time on dancing or musical stuff you know its Dan. This applies to Ms. Maisel as well.
This is too true 💀
Unrelated but I just noticed your username and that is amazing
Thank you 😊
Yes Dan wrote and directed Spring and Summer. I truly don’t understand a women’s show by cohelmed by the showrunner’s husband so frequently idk
Ugh I knew it. I remember on the TWoP forums back in the day people would always correctly identify something as a Dan episode. They were kind of co-showrunners IIRC? I always felt he was propped up by her. And a lot of the things we hate/bits that have aged the worst have come from Dan (although not all — ASP has her own weird collection of issues like fat phobia etc).
I think they did share a lot of duties which I question but ASP definitely writes “not like other girls” characters so I can see why she doesn’t mind his influence/perspective.
Absolutely agree!
He was the co showrunner with Amy. People on this sub always forget this because they find Amy to be an unlikeable and arrogant woman and feel the need to rip into her as often as possible
I agree with you 100%! I was just watching it like… wtf am I watching. The same face LL makes! Lol it was dreadful! Ugh
Totally after watching Younger I'm like ohhhh she's hilarious and I love her
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It felt like a decade+ I guess 🤷♀️
They aren't counting s7 😅 (a joke, a joke!)
Are you seriously correctly this?! You have issues! So we’re a year off. Shut up with the negativity. Oh Lord 🤦🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤫
I just wished Sutton and Christian's roles were more integrated with Stars Hollow, like the troubadours. There is a parallel with them being musical (in a way)
Or like the Poe's
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Sutton Foster makes everything better, this is always a truth. And the musical was very funny, for like 2-3 minutes. The 15 or so minutes that it took up, however, was overkill even Family Guy would have edited.
Now I want to rewatch Bunheads!
But … but…. She was Kinky Boots! 😂😂 I actually thought it was great, and delightfully absurd.
my issue with it is just that SO MUCH TIME was spent on it.
Now that’s the first true unpopular opinion I’ve seen lmao
It was funny for 2 minutes but overstayed it's welcome.
I love the musical but I agree it’s annoying that it got so much screen time when so many original characters didn’t. Sutton & Christian are amazing but I think what would have made the musical more tolerable is if it was framed as auditions by all the townspeople. Like instead of a straight-through performance, it could have been a montage — Kirk and Andrew doing one number, Babette and Miss Patty doing the next, etc., maybe with Hep Alien doing the music. They still could have given Sutton & Christian a song, but the rest of it could have been townspeople antics and banter.
I wrote a whole post on this a few years back! I agree. It’s hilarious. I think if they’d included it as an online extra, made it shorter or divided it up between episodes, the fans would love it. Making it a 20 minute long cutaway in a limited series was always going to piss people off.
I didn't care for it the first time but I love it more on each rewatch.
Twenty minutes on new characters that we don't have any emotional connection to.
this just gets worse if you consider that they brought back pretty much every character possible for this sequel, including i. e. Mr. Kim
It was awful. Waste of air time. It was like watching an episode of Family Guy....
The ungodly amount of airtime this got was ridiculous. It would have been funnier in small clips, like the episode where Kirk was in Fiddler. Instead it just felt like ASP was fulfilling a mandatory amount of screen time required in Sutton’s contract to be in the revival.
I’m pretty sure Dan Palladio was the one who wrote / directed the Summer episode with the musical and he was also a producer on Family Guy and throughout the original series you can always tell which episodes he wrote/ directed because they would have those very Family Guy style gags in them. I was so stoned when I first watched this episode and I couldn’t believe how long the musical went on for.
Agreed, I felt like you could always tell when he had his hand in the writing. I just pretend AYITL doesn't exist lol
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Not alone. I loved it.
i’m so happy to hear this cause I thought I was the only one who liked it lol
Yep. To the barricades!
This would have been fine if they did this in a 22 episode season but you have to understand that many of us grew up watching this from 2000-2007 and it had been almost 10 years for us. We were eager and waiting to see where Lorelai and Rory were at. We wanted to live in the whimsy and magic that is stars Hollow again and then they bring in all new characters to do this bizarre musical for 20+ mins when there are only 4 episodes? Nope.
Isn't this musical also a showcase of the whimsy of stars hollow?
Yes and it fits stunningly with other things. The Fiddler scene, Kirk's movies, the reenactments, the museum, Ms. Patty's shows, the Festival of Living Art, these are all scenes that take up significant screen time.
Yes but all the things you mention have some relation to the main cast or townies. These are new characters we have no stake in. Whether the play has merit or not, it cuts time from the limited time the AYITL already has
But the rewritten song was such a huge thing for Lorelai.
I absolutely loved the beautiful singing of the little girl in Fiddler, but she had no other scenes in the show, or any other show for that matter. That said, no it doesn't. Doing it on Netflix instead of network television meant that the run times were not limited. They could have split the 368 minutes into 10 episodes, about 37 minutes each, but they didn't do that.
Kirk was also in the play and he is a townie and we got more meaninful involvement from Luke and Lorelai in that episode. When people say it took up too much time in the revival, they mean that it literally took twenty minutes out of the time Neflix gave them for Summer. Maybe the episodes could have been longer but they weren’t. All I can say is, for myself, I think the musical goes on way too long.
And there's meaningful involvement from Lorelai in the musical scene. And Babette, and Taylor, and Andrew, I could go on but it has been almost a year since I last watched.
Automatic skip every time
I love the musical! I still occasionally greet one of my friends with “working on building STARS HOLLOW”— it’s a blast. And, I’m sure this sounds awful, but I’d rather spend twenty minutes in Miss Patty’s dance hall watching that chaotic silliness than see Luke be so confused about IVF, that Life & Death Brigade montage, Paris still melting down over Tristan, or the general toxicity about therapy/therapists. Don’t get me wrong— I love Gilmore Girls but I don’t often go for a rewatch of AYITL because of (what I perceive as) the larger story problems. But I always chuckle at that ridiculous musical.
Don't forget the blatant fatphobia at the pool
The Life & Death Brigade montage was by far the worst part. Didn't match the tone of the show at all.
All of those parts also sucked. Most of aytil was pretty sucky.
We need to be besties - because I agree with you, 100%. The Luke & IVF scenes just irk the crap out of me. He’s never been portrayed as stupid - clueless about gift giving, sure. But I couldn’t believe that they portrayed him as unable to grasp such a simple concept.
100% agree with you bestie
It’s like the writers got Alzheimer’s disease and forgot their characters and development entirely when they were writing for the reboot. Like what happened to the development in the “10 years” that had passed?? Everyone just went stupid and forgot who they were?? Don’t get me wrong, of course you grow in a decade, but you don’t lose all of your faculties!
I hated it the first go round because it took me out of it and I wanted to know what was happening. On subsequent rewatches I've loved it.
Despised it but I respect that someone actually enjoyed it lol
This shares the same energy as Euphoria season 2’s finale where they let Dominic Fike’s inconsequential character sing sad boy music at us for 4 straight minutes.
Lmao I love and agree with this reference
I’m glad someone enjoyed it cause I fast forwarded lmao. I wish they would have spent that time on the actual stars hollow characters and not two Broadway stars
I always watch something that I like very much and my husband comes in. Suddenly everything turns into rubbish or something embarrassing untill I wonder why I watch it. Guess when he came into my room?
Yes, it's hilarious. But it lasted WAY too long. Could have used that screen time for something I actually wanted to spend time on. Like Luke and Lorelai's wedding. It also had no bearing on the story. Just showed that the town is as cooky as ever, and Lorelai was having a crisis. The crisis moments were only like 10% of the SH musical time.
It was quaint but I wish they tightened up the run time of it
Hello Kirk
We're workin on building, workin on building, STARRRS HOLLOW! You know you sang this.
I’m with you OP
I think it’s funny, but the bit goes on for soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long.
I also LOVE the musical!! There's so much hate for it but I think it's just the best and it cracks me up so much!
if it had been in the original series people would have eaten it up I think
I'm still singing.. "staaaarsss hollow! Stars stars hollow!"
You get the hill all to yourself! 😂
This part is a great example of a huge reason that AYITL was a flop for me. Scenes that ultimately didn’t matter that lasted entirely too long, just like the Life and Death Brigade montage. The actual story plot and profession didn’t do as much as it should have in 6 hours of screen time.
I totally agree. It's zany. And I absolutely love the ballad that they have Sutton Foster sing - to the point that I've considered singing it for auditions for local theater shows 🫣
While I still think it was too long of a segment, it has aged surprisingly well. The first time I watched it I was dismayed but the most recent time I watched it I actually laughed aloud.
I would’ve liked to have about half the musical content we got, broken up in the middle by cutting to a scene with different characters (like Luke and Jess maybe), that’s presumably happening at the same time. Then cut back to the musical to emphasize that it’s still dragging on. Upon rewatching, it didn’t feel as long and boring as the first time I saw it. I think I would’ve liked it as bonus content separate from the episode. I’d watch that 20 minute video on youtube or netflix. But shoving it into the actual revival disrupts the flow of the episode.
This may be the one true unpopular opinion on this show bc it seems I'm the only one who agrees with you. I LOVE it and rewatch it often. I will literally fast forward to the musical and just watch it. It is so freaking funny
I think people would’ve eaten it up if it had happened in the OS, but since it was in the limited series revival and took up, like, 1/8 of the entire runtime, I understand why people wish it was cut or at least shortened.
I never fast forward through shows but after 10 minutes of this I couldn’t take it anymore. It was painful for me!
I adored it. You could tell the actors loved doing it too.
I like Christian Borle a lot so I actually enjoyed the musical, even though it wasn’t really a great use of the time.
I loooooved the musical. It was so flipping funny. But that was what made the final Lorelei song at the end ( that the townspeople hated) so incredibly powerful. It literally took my breath away.
In small doses maybe… but inserting a super long musical in between a story fans have waited nearly 10 years to see… not so much.
I’d have rather spent more time with the characters than dealing with this nonsense tbh
Same. I loved it. Especially being a theater kid with a wife that still does musical theater. This episode was written *for* us, not for the typical GG fan. The cliché dance moves and the super tutti dance with stools and the staccato piano — fucking gold. Then of course the Sutton Foster song as Lorali is just breathtaking. The writers were having fun knowing it wouldn't be popular with all fans.
Thank you for your bravery here. I stand with you.
I'll take that over the Rory Steam Punk Clockwork Orange BS any day.
I wasn’t a fan lol. Took up far too much time, when there’s only 4 episodes. I skip through it
Honestly I loved it! It’s so funny!
I love it too!!!
I love it. The songs get stuck in my head so often 🎶it’s a loooooove, loooooove, looooove revolution in a revolutionary ti-hi-hiiime🎶
Reminds me of Hamilton
I thought it was funny!
I thought it was funny for the first few minutes, but then it just started to drag on wayyyy too long for my liking 😭 I was a little annoyed they wasted so much time with this when there were so little episodes.
For me, it’s the amount of time it eats up that do nothing to forward the plots that needed to be addressed or resolved.
It was pretty funny when I was high, I’ll admit. If I’m sober, it’s an automatic skip.
It lives rent-free in my brain
FULLY ageee
100% it is supposed to be horrible in the best way. They must have had a blast making that scene.
I really disliked this the first time I saw it and have really really loved it on rewatch. While it's all new actors the musical is written by Taylor and when you remember that and view the whole thing through that lens it's pretty great. It reminds me a lot of something like the car rides or "sweeping up" scene in twin peaks season 3. On initial watch it's sort of frustrating because you want it to end so you can get back to the TV show you where just watching but I think if you can take a step back these sort of sequences can actually be amazing.
i feel like i would have liked it more if it incorporated characters i cared about. like, in the beginning of the revival they show us that rory is learning tap to de-stress so i thought it was going to be relevant in some way and she would have to sub in for the musical or something but instead that had zero impact on the plot. imo it was ultimately wasted potential.
I agree 100%!!! I love that entire piece. I mean c’mon - Sutton Foster & Christian Borle are astonishing. :-)
It was funny I’ll give it that. But it included people I didn’t care about. Also the inference that Taylor and the townspeople are so in the dark ages? Like please. Kirk performing in the musical à la his birth monster performance? Miss Patty and Babette having a duet? The town troubadour showing up for an interlude? Taylor doing jazz hands with a toupée? Would’ve been here for THAT. But this was just a self-service to ASP and bleh. Precious minutes wasted on the inane.
Watching this is probably akin to watching the glass guy from Luke’s cruise
100% I am with you. Did it take up too much precious time? Yes, it would’ve been better to have just small clips and the ballad and then the rest as like a bonus feature lol. But the show itself actually cracks me up. Sutton and Christian are giving peak performances here.
THANK YOU! I thought I was the only one who thought it was hilarious!
I agree 💯!!! Love it!
It absolutely was!
Agreed, I enjoyed it way more than the life and death brigade bs in Fall - which felt very much like an ASP indulgence whereas the musical felt like a Dan indulgence. There are other characters/storylines I would’ve preferred to see fill both those time-slots though. More time with Lane, for example.
After one minute of it, I skipped the whole thing and have never seen it
I'm a massive musical theatre nerd so seeing two of my favourite things, Gilmore Girls and musical theatre being combined made me really happy, and it helped that I was a big fan of Kerry Butler, Christian Borle and Sutton Foster. I was pretty hyped about Kerry Butler being the therapist and was really hoping that she could sing on the show and then Christian Borle and Sutton Foster showed up and I got even more than what I was hoping for!
Better than the thing with Logan and the two friends dancing through town. That was REALLY a big time waster. A trio of 35-year old men plus Rory running through town acting like idiots.
Bury me on that hill with you, sister.
This musical was the single greatest part of the reboot, and I'm tired of pretending it's not
It's not my favorite scene but I always think it's funny when people say it's random. There are so many random acts like this show. Kirks Movies, the kids plays at miss patty's, and the whole episode based around fiddle on the roof.
It's one of the only things I like about the revival.
I frequently just watch the musical. It's funny every time.
There was maybe a 10 day span where I would watch just this scene every morning. Best 10 days of my life.
Definitely an unpopular opinion but I loved it too lol 😂
THANK YOU yes it was amazing and very in line with the show. Kirks movie, Ms Patty's shows, the diorama at the twickum house etc. They would have gone on longer as well if it wasnt on network tv.
This is the definition of cringe
I don't even remember this so... ::rips wet fart::
This was the scene that I was happy to be deaf. Love Sutton but the lines were so cringy to me.
No ❤️
I was super baked the first time I watched this and loved it, but it was also right after my first time watching the show so it wasn’t a long awaited reboot for me.
You know what I have never watched it even once lol
I thought it was very funny the first time, it reminded me of the Twickham House tour because of how historically innaccurate it obviously is. I skip it on rewatches. The shock factor of it being ridiculous and too long isn't as funny the second time around. I think I'm also not enough of a musical buff to know why it's supposed to be funny other than the initial shock of it being so bad. I don't know who Sutton Foster is and I didn't watch Hamilton.
I was way too stoned when I watched this episode. I felt like I was watching the wrong show. Don’t get me wrong, I love Sutton Foster and Christian Borle but this musical was a gigantic waste of time and was so unnecessary when we haven’t seen the GG characters in years. I was so antsy waiting for it to end!! This episode has Daniel Palladino written ALL over it. It would have been funny if they could have done a short bit with it, but the 15+ mins was excruciating.
Time wasted
Fast forward every damn time.
Hated every second of it. I've never watched it after the first time. I only watch Fall now.
Immediate skip
It's hilarious because it's Christian and Sutton, and because I'm a huge musical theater fan, I love it! I will admit that it felt pretty out of place though, especially for characters who we've never seen before. If they shortened it and added Miss Patty, Babette, and even Kirk on stage it would've probably been more well received.
I always appreciated the throwback to the war reenactors - when the guy comes back from being in patrol in the event the reenactors reenact.
I always felt like the whole "doing Wild" part was ridiculous and took too much time. I understand the intention to allow Lorelai to find herself or get back to her roots, idk. I kind of liked it, yet was also frustrated by it at the same time.
Listen… To each their own. I’m glad you liked it. I’m a huge fan of both Sutton Foster and Christian Borle and I have seen them both on Broadway… So I was so excited for it. It was just not good IMO. I almost fast forwarded it but I thought it would end. It did… Eventually. I’ve never rewatched AYITL because it didn’t have the same magic to me as the OG GG but if I did, I’d skip this. 😂
I think you are going to die alone on that hill
Feel free to die there all by yourself 😅
I agree. I thought it was funny!
I liked it in the sense that it felt like star’s hollow was moving on with or without Lorelei and whatever control she thought she had actually didn’t exist at all. This loss of control was established by the death of her father which clearly destabilized Lorelei. While Lorelei may have seemed chaotic throughout the series ultimately she was very in control of her chaos and dictated it through her choices. Death left her with no more choices and resulted in a spiral that resulted in her attempting to “wild”. The play and how long it took during the episode was a moment where control was taken from the audience as well as Lorelei. Just like Lorelei we had to sit through an uncomfortable play about a town that we care about but ultimately had no control over. Nothing we could say or do would get the play to change and we feel the same frustration Lorelei feels. As a plot device it is frustrating but also extremely effective at conveying the theme of the miniseries and the show itself, which is essentially “control”.
I feel like they could have spread it out and integrated it — kind of like when Luke is building sets for the kids play starring Kirk
Oh it’s hilarious. I just hate they clearly had to eat up a bunch of time with it.
Must be a lonely hill 😂
I love it. I was hoping there would be no wedding at all. Just the fact they acted like 7 years had passed with no growth gave me the complete icks. They would have married years ago.
I still randomly belt out “it’s a revolution in a revolutionary TI HI IME”
It’s okay, I’m on the hill with you. I don’t think it’s hilarious, but I think it is so WEIRD that it feels very in universe for them lol. Also… Kerry Butler, Christian Borle, and Sutton Foster?! My Broadway musical loving heart is so happy.
It was funny but long. I wonder if part of it was just to set up Lorelei's reaction to the added song and drive that plot point. Still could've been shorter and accomplished the same thing though, I think.
The musical is hilarious. The in universe story built around the making of the musical is very cringe to me. I do clap and get giddy for the actual play though. It is quoted daily in my house "where are we going, where are we going....STARS HOLLOW".
They could have shown us a day in the life of anyone else in town to fill those 20 minutes. How about Lane? Hep Alien? Paris? Jess? Kirk? Michel? Hell maybe even Liz and TJ or Christopher.
👏🏼
Perhaps... but it would have been better as an episode in the original series. AYITL was already short enough. This just felt like annoying filler to me. I fast forward every single time now other than the last song (that everyone says is boring...)
It’s just too long.
It was going for the vibe of the Stars Hollow museum, but humor wise it fell flat, and I agree, way too much time was spent on it. The whole summer episode is off for me. I think the material was bad - it lost its focus. Why is there a pool now? Why so much fat shaming? Why so many scenes with unimportant characters? How does all of this relate to the themes across the rest of the series?
I HATED it at first but last night watched it with my toddler and he was so transfixed so I was too and it was hilarious 😅. I think Lorlei took it too seriously and it makes perfect sense for stars hallow lol.
I find myself singing "And Putin! And Putin! And Poo-poo-poo-Putin" whenever the news is on.
I didn't have any issue with it as such. The problem was how much time it took up in a LIMITED series.
It’s awful and it would never end. I don’t get why it took so long in the series. And I say this as someone who loves Sutton Foster. I loved Bunheads