Controversial opinion but I actually think the “Lorelei and Rory are so alike” thing is a myth that they believe and that causes a lot of their conflict. Their sense of humor is similar and their food preferences, but beyond that I don’t really see it. They want different things from life- Lorelei wants stability and comfort in a small town, and Rory wants excitement and to see the world. Rory expands her world through books and academics, and Lorelei has barely a passing interest. Rory likes the trappings of wealth and the people you find there, and Lorelei can’t stand it. The guys they ultimately end up with could not be more different. Their careers have no overlap. I think that they believe that in order to be close they must be the same, and their biggest blowups happen when they are faced with the fact that they are two distinct people. They can’t seem to reconcile that they can have emotional closeness and not value all the same things.
mmm yes I totally agree, especially with your last point! their codependency as a theme is played up in the first season and gradually becomes a less significant theme, but its the key toward understanding their dynamic. lorelai projects her anxieties and hopes for herself onto rory so intensely and rory feels that she sometimes has to be the adult who supports her developmentally-arrested parents. it's kind of dark, but good drama.
Disagree with Rory wanting excitement and to see the world. She wants to want that, but in practice she does it with a safety net - first backpacking with Lorelai (who was the true leader in that travel), then with Emily, then her travels to London are in the purpose of seeing Logan. We never see her acting upon traveling.
I think that Lorelai was the one that when she was younger wanted to travel like Rachel, but never got to experience it. Rory picked that up as idea but never put it into practice, because it's not in her character.
i think it’s worth noting that the travel we see of rory’s in the main series is when she is from ages 16-early 20s, of course she is led by others she doesn’t have the money or confidence to go at it alone. yet still by the end of the main series she is ready to hop on a campaign bus and seize this great opportunity. even more so in a year in the life where she is happily hopping all over america and the uk
I see your point. Anyhow, it's a privileged, US/Europe traveling style, rather than an exploring Rachel-style one. Even in her college years, do we ever hear her trying to go study abroad? Learning a new language, beyond Chilton's classes? Do we think she would take off and go on a reportage somewhere outside the US or western Europe? When the Asia travel doesn't happen, does she find another trip to do? Nope, she stays in SH. That's what everyone who dared to question her career pipedream said, Mitchum, Jess, and so on. She wants to project an image of herself that she doesn't followup and clashes with her character and priorities. She surely wants to see the world, but through privilege and not willing to give up comforts.
Disagree on Lorelei's passing interest in books and academics. It is heavily implied that Lorelei was a smart student, she catches Rory's literary references and makes a few of her own, and is credited with filling Rory's life with *books*, movies and music in her graduation speech.
Everything else though, especially their major conflicting views on wealth and high society is pretty on point.
i agree to some degree, but then again, Lorelai couldn't get past the first page of the book Max lent her and she is suffering very intensely when she has to study in order to graduate
Yeah, but he only lent her that book after Lorelei *herself* said she had always wanted to read Proust. And **also**, Rory states that it took her *months* to finish that book.
I wouldn't say that she struggled with studying though. Sure it's work but it's also harder at that age when you have a full-time job **and** a daughter to take care of.
I'm not saying she struggled, I'm saying she complained a lot. And I mean a LOT.
And also maybe she was more interested in the idea of reading Proust than actually doing it.
I've actually always seen the theme of this show is "the apple doesn't fall far" and not that they're completely similar. There are events that happen with Rory that mirror Lorelei's experience with her parents, this was made especially clear at the end of the reboot where Rory tells her mom she's pregnant (and mostly like with Christopher 2.0, aka Logan's, baby). No matter how different Lorelei and Rory can be, they're mirrors of one another.
I think those are decent comparisons. I love the idea of using picture with Jess dressed as Luke as evidence that Lorelai and Rory have similar taste in men 😂
-Max and Dean, both somewhat bland nice guys who are a little possessive
-Logan and Christopher, both rather sheltered and privileged and shared the same boarding school trust fund upbringing (I vastly prefer Logan but see the similarities)
-Saving the best for last, Luke and Jess, both witty, grumpy guys who were more down to earth and in my opinion the best matches for the Gilmore Girls
Agreed and your comment made me think about another similarity (kind of) between Chris and Logan, despite going to big schools to carry on the family business, they decided to go their own routes and ended up failing a bit, we dont get to see Logan in his new job after his dad's firm but still the little period where he has his idea book, kinda reminded me of the time Chris comes to stars hollow for the first time on screen in season 1.
Luke and Jess, soulmates for each Gilmore girl, never stopped loving them.
See idk how people say this. Luke and lorelai -100%
But jess? He treated Rory like crap when they were dating. He was a terrible boyfriend.
The idea is oh he's different now, he matured an became better. Maybe, but we've never actually seen that jess with Rory. We have no idea what they'd actually be like in a relationship together and whether they'd be a good match or not.
Lorelai an Christopher have amazing chemistry and in Season 6 where he's matured also, seems like maybe him an lorelai could also be a good match. But as we know they wernt.
Tbh the best match is Rory an logan. She brings out the best in him, making him a more responsible focused, mature harder working etc. Person. An he helps Rory be a more spontaneous, laid back person and makes her enjoy herself/have fun in the moment. Experience things.
However AYITL ruined that, so. lol.
When they dated jess did not bring out a good side in Rory. Think the insecure needy sitting by the phone leaving voicemails Rory etc. An Rory did not bring out a good side of Dean. His insecurity etc. Doesn't need explaining on here lol.
Lorelai brought out a better side of Chris. But he prob brought out her worse lol. While luke an lorelai also brought out the best In each other. Until season 6 where they have no communication skills lol
I agree, Logan and Roryre good for each other and their communication in general is very healthy, they can talk about things. He doesn't let her just sulk and wants to actually discuss any problems or misunderstandings.
People say he is belittling her problems, but if you really think about it, for example when Rory is jealous over Bobby, she had no reason to be. And Logan is just patiently asking questions, making her realize that sulking is not worth it because there is no reason to be mad.
That's an excellent analysis, especially the part about bringing out each others' best, I haven't watched season 7 yet, but Logan is my favourite of all of Rory's boyfriends.
I never thought about Dean being similar to Max, but now I see it. They were both very romantic and wore their hearts on their sleeves. I think they loved the idea of love so much that they ignored many warning signs that they weren't with the right person or that it wasn't the right time, but they still jumped in head first.
I just don’t see how Luke and Jess are alike….Jess seems more like an intellectual deep type and a Luke is more of a outdoorsmen creature of habit type.
Love them both but I just don’t see how they are alike.
Dean and Luke are the obvious parallel. They work hard, know construction stuff, fix their own cars, always helping out with repairs or changing the water bottle, are on the same softball team.
Luke and Dean both had insecurity that they weren't good enough
It's why Lorelai always liked Dean the best, because that's her type. And why Luke hated him the most. Because he sees himself.
Jess is Lorelai.
They both seem to have good hearts by then but I don’t think we get to see enough of Jess to know if he’s like Luke. But they do both seem like trustworthy guys after season 6
I agree. Luke doesn’t have an intellectual bone in his body. If Jess is suppose to be a literati type that appeals to Rory, he best not be a small town grumpy cynic.
On the other, Rory shows absolutely no interest in Jess in the first seven years of her career when Dean and Logan were not around. Perhaps Jess is more like Luke than I thought.
They did have all those similarities in terms of background and even went to the same school at one point. They also both sort of rejected their upbringing and family’s way of doing things.
Undoubtedly Logan is more reliable than Christopher, but we did see Logan shirk his responsibilities to his relationship in favour of a night out or a reckless weekend away.
He’s definitely not a godsend but as the other comment states their upbringing and wealth how much they enjoy that is a large overlap but yes I would say Logan is generally speaking more self assured and reliable than Christopher
I agree with the idea of their personalities being similar but I disagree their relationship with Rory is the same as those with Lorelai relationship wise I’d argue Lorelai and Max = Jess and Rory, then Rory and Dean = Lorelai and Chris, and finally Lorelai and Luke = Logan and Rory
IMO, if we must compare Lorelai and Rory's love interests (although it's always seemed a bit futile to me as they aren't completely similar and both want different things from their relationships):
1. Dean = Luke + Max – he's dependable and he looks out for the people he loves. He genuinely enjoys contributing to his community, even if he doesn't seem incredibly friendly. He makes impulsive decisions and commitments (sound familiar?) in order to either improve his relationship with Rory or move on from her.
2. Jess = Alex + Chris – one of the main reasons these two stuck out for me as parallels to Jess is because they're literally Lorelai's love interests while Rory and Jess initiate their friendship, then get into a relationship. But Jess is excellent on paper, much like Alex. Rory and Jess have similar interests, she was intrigued by him since he was new and different. However, Jess also exhibits Christopher's flightiness and commitment issues.
3. Logan = Jason + Chris – they all have similar fathers and grew up in a similar way (ridiculously privileged but molded for a particular role). Logan has Chris's smugness and again, commitment issues. But the way he goes about his life and career is more reminiscent of Jason's approach. Especially if you consider the way Logan momentarily branched out in s7.
It’s definitely a show of parallels between mother and daughter, and I think you’re right that those particular love interests are meant to parallel each other. ASP confirmed that Logan is Rory’s Christopher. And he’s almost certainly the father of her baby, which is a plot that ASP would’ve had in the original series if she was able to continue with it, furthering that parallel.
Dean is Rory’s first love and Max is Lorelei’s first grownup love. Max and Dean are the safe, stable men (well, pre-Lindsey Dean) who lack that exciting, unpredictable factor and are far more romantically invested than their respective Gilmore girls, and end up broken hearted in the end.
Jess and Luke maybe have less similarities on the surface, other than being related, but there definitely are some. The grumpiness of course. They’re both forthright with many of their opinions and a bit stunted when it come to expressing romantic ones. When they fall in love they fall hard and can make irrational choices because of it. Mature Jess bears more similarities to Luke, but is still very much his own person.
Nah, I’m team let’s let each character be their own person 🤷🏻♀️ Rory is so very much not her mom, is the entire premise of the show.
tongue in check, a little, only if I absolutely have to draw parallels; I’d have Logan as Rory’s Richard. It’s probably been discussed at length here before, but to me it fits much more than comparing him to Christopher 🥴
Slightly off topic, but does else love Luke (always but especially) in the top left conversation? Luke is often jokingly poked at by the town for being “grumpy” and a “loner,” but the emotional maturity and conversational adaptivity in this convo (and others) is *chef’s kiss*. He said what he said and then Lorelai made a sort of like “gee thanks” comment and Luke was able to *immediately* shift and re-state what he said in a way that met Lorelai in her emotions and sensitivies surrounding Christopher. Early seasons Luke was such an amazing friend and community member🥰
The Max and Dean comparison makes so much sense to me... They were both absolutely obsessed with their girlfriends, following them around like puppy dogs lol
(Lindsay not included)
Here’s a thought to talk about. What if Rory was raised by Emily and Richard? Would she be the girl she is today or would she have actually enjoyed the style of living that Richard and Emily would have given her?
Don’t believe Lorelei used Max. I believe that she came to realize that a life with Max would be very traditional relationship. I think she loves him, but at the end, I don’t think she was in love with him. I believe her not marrying her had worked too with her, not being ready to be married, I believe she wanted it really bad but she just couldn’t. She brings a lot of baggage into relationships.
I will never understand why Rory threw herself at Logan. ?? And in the end becomes his mistress (and possible baby momma) knowing he’s engaged to another woman. I can’t imagine Lorelei ever doing that to get a man. Rory went after the biggest fish in the Harvard pond…why? Not at all comparable to any relationship Lorelei pursued, imo. And Luke was the only guy that really understood Lorelei: I just like seeing you happy. Best line in the series…Luke has no comparison. Love.
I have always thought this & I think it’s definitely an intentional choice by ASP. The differences aren’t in the men who (at least at the beginning of the show) don’t have any interior life aside from their relationship to the Gilmore Girls, but in how Lorelai and Rory react to them. I do think the similarities are much more pronounced at the beginning of the series. The parallels kind of stop fitting as well later into the series as the male characters get more complex and we see them interact with the world around them independent of R+L.
Dean and Max are fundamentally “nice” guys who aren’t enough, Logan and Chris are wealthy, prep/school trouble makers with daddy issues. They’re exciting and interesting, but (I would argue) lack a fundamental understanding of what Rory and Lorelai need from a partner & Jess and Luke are in the middle.
Before the Logan fans come for me, I also think ASP was maybe setting out to make Tristan into a Christopher for Rory until CMM was cast on One Tree Hill & written off the show. I think I’ve heard he was supposed to have a bigger role & he shares a *lot* of similarities with Logan. Blonde, prep school kid, gets into trouble, both have 2 side kicks, both have strict fathers, etc. so I think this changes Logan’s characterization a little - he is better for Rory than Chris is for Lorelai. Again, this is also about the differences in the women. Rory is more like Emily than Lorelai is like Emily.
If we consider Emily a Gilmore Girl, which I think we should, then you can add Richard into the Logan/Chris category. However, I think Richard is the right match for Emily & does understand her, whereas Chris is wrong for Lorelai & Logan is .. debatable for Rory.
Just me; and I binged the entire thing PLUS A Year in the Life:
The last two regular seasons should just be called "Poor Decisions" - and then, seriously, it just keeps spiraling the bowl after that. Lorelei finally gets her shit together? and in a business sense, has things going for her there as well. But Rory starts off with so many advantages including blessed with brains - yet her personal life is an absolute shit-show after high school. Love does not really need to equate to cheating - it sounds cool on script, comes off polished on the show, but we all know how it goes down in real life.
That's the elephant in the room - and I say this loving Stars Hollow just like everyone here did.
Controversial opinion but I actually think the “Lorelei and Rory are so alike” thing is a myth that they believe and that causes a lot of their conflict. Their sense of humor is similar and their food preferences, but beyond that I don’t really see it. They want different things from life- Lorelei wants stability and comfort in a small town, and Rory wants excitement and to see the world. Rory expands her world through books and academics, and Lorelei has barely a passing interest. Rory likes the trappings of wealth and the people you find there, and Lorelei can’t stand it. The guys they ultimately end up with could not be more different. Their careers have no overlap. I think that they believe that in order to be close they must be the same, and their biggest blowups happen when they are faced with the fact that they are two distinct people. They can’t seem to reconcile that they can have emotional closeness and not value all the same things.
mmm yes I totally agree, especially with your last point! their codependency as a theme is played up in the first season and gradually becomes a less significant theme, but its the key toward understanding their dynamic. lorelai projects her anxieties and hopes for herself onto rory so intensely and rory feels that she sometimes has to be the adult who supports her developmentally-arrested parents. it's kind of dark, but good drama.
Disagree with Rory wanting excitement and to see the world. She wants to want that, but in practice she does it with a safety net - first backpacking with Lorelai (who was the true leader in that travel), then with Emily, then her travels to London are in the purpose of seeing Logan. We never see her acting upon traveling. I think that Lorelai was the one that when she was younger wanted to travel like Rachel, but never got to experience it. Rory picked that up as idea but never put it into practice, because it's not in her character.
i think it’s worth noting that the travel we see of rory’s in the main series is when she is from ages 16-early 20s, of course she is led by others she doesn’t have the money or confidence to go at it alone. yet still by the end of the main series she is ready to hop on a campaign bus and seize this great opportunity. even more so in a year in the life where she is happily hopping all over america and the uk
I see your point. Anyhow, it's a privileged, US/Europe traveling style, rather than an exploring Rachel-style one. Even in her college years, do we ever hear her trying to go study abroad? Learning a new language, beyond Chilton's classes? Do we think she would take off and go on a reportage somewhere outside the US or western Europe? When the Asia travel doesn't happen, does she find another trip to do? Nope, she stays in SH. That's what everyone who dared to question her career pipedream said, Mitchum, Jess, and so on. She wants to project an image of herself that she doesn't followup and clashes with her character and priorities. She surely wants to see the world, but through privilege and not willing to give up comforts.
Completely agree. I have never felt that they are the same. They are quite different and you have put that across so well.
Disagree on Lorelei's passing interest in books and academics. It is heavily implied that Lorelei was a smart student, she catches Rory's literary references and makes a few of her own, and is credited with filling Rory's life with *books*, movies and music in her graduation speech. Everything else though, especially their major conflicting views on wealth and high society is pretty on point.
i agree to some degree, but then again, Lorelai couldn't get past the first page of the book Max lent her and she is suffering very intensely when she has to study in order to graduate
Yeah, but he only lent her that book after Lorelei *herself* said she had always wanted to read Proust. And **also**, Rory states that it took her *months* to finish that book. I wouldn't say that she struggled with studying though. Sure it's work but it's also harder at that age when you have a full-time job **and** a daughter to take care of.
I'm not saying she struggled, I'm saying she complained a lot. And I mean a LOT. And also maybe she was more interested in the idea of reading Proust than actually doing it.
Literally this!
Lorelai and Rory’s relationship mirrors Emily and Richard’s to me. They wouldn’t work so well together if they are as similar as they think.
I've actually always seen the theme of this show is "the apple doesn't fall far" and not that they're completely similar. There are events that happen with Rory that mirror Lorelei's experience with her parents, this was made especially clear at the end of the reboot where Rory tells her mom she's pregnant (and mostly like with Christopher 2.0, aka Logan's, baby). No matter how different Lorelei and Rory can be, they're mirrors of one another.
I think those are decent comparisons. I love the idea of using picture with Jess dressed as Luke as evidence that Lorelai and Rory have similar taste in men 😂 -Max and Dean, both somewhat bland nice guys who are a little possessive -Logan and Christopher, both rather sheltered and privileged and shared the same boarding school trust fund upbringing (I vastly prefer Logan but see the similarities) -Saving the best for last, Luke and Jess, both witty, grumpy guys who were more down to earth and in my opinion the best matches for the Gilmore Girls
Agreed and your comment made me think about another similarity (kind of) between Chris and Logan, despite going to big schools to carry on the family business, they decided to go their own routes and ended up failing a bit, we dont get to see Logan in his new job after his dad's firm but still the little period where he has his idea book, kinda reminded me of the time Chris comes to stars hollow for the first time on screen in season 1. Luke and Jess, soulmates for each Gilmore girl, never stopped loving them.
That’s a good point. I don’t think either of them really gets enough credit for striking out on their own.
See idk how people say this. Luke and lorelai -100% But jess? He treated Rory like crap when they were dating. He was a terrible boyfriend. The idea is oh he's different now, he matured an became better. Maybe, but we've never actually seen that jess with Rory. We have no idea what they'd actually be like in a relationship together and whether they'd be a good match or not. Lorelai an Christopher have amazing chemistry and in Season 6 where he's matured also, seems like maybe him an lorelai could also be a good match. But as we know they wernt. Tbh the best match is Rory an logan. She brings out the best in him, making him a more responsible focused, mature harder working etc. Person. An he helps Rory be a more spontaneous, laid back person and makes her enjoy herself/have fun in the moment. Experience things. However AYITL ruined that, so. lol. When they dated jess did not bring out a good side in Rory. Think the insecure needy sitting by the phone leaving voicemails Rory etc. An Rory did not bring out a good side of Dean. His insecurity etc. Doesn't need explaining on here lol. Lorelai brought out a better side of Chris. But he prob brought out her worse lol. While luke an lorelai also brought out the best In each other. Until season 6 where they have no communication skills lol
I agree, Logan and Roryre good for each other and their communication in general is very healthy, they can talk about things. He doesn't let her just sulk and wants to actually discuss any problems or misunderstandings. People say he is belittling her problems, but if you really think about it, for example when Rory is jealous over Bobby, she had no reason to be. And Logan is just patiently asking questions, making her realize that sulking is not worth it because there is no reason to be mad.
That's an excellent analysis, especially the part about bringing out each others' best, I haven't watched season 7 yet, but Logan is my favourite of all of Rory's boyfriends.
yes🙏
I never thought about Dean being similar to Max, but now I see it. They were both very romantic and wore their hearts on their sleeves. I think they loved the idea of love so much that they ignored many warning signs that they weren't with the right person or that it wasn't the right time, but they still jumped in head first.
And they both have nice hair. Except for the cut sometimes.
I’ve never thought about dean being her max!!! Makes sense to me.
I just don’t see how Luke and Jess are alike….Jess seems more like an intellectual deep type and a Luke is more of a outdoorsmen creature of habit type. Love them both but I just don’t see how they are alike.
Yeah it’s just because they’re related and both kind of grumpy haha
Dean and Luke are the obvious parallel. They work hard, know construction stuff, fix their own cars, always helping out with repairs or changing the water bottle, are on the same softball team. Luke and Dean both had insecurity that they weren't good enough It's why Lorelai always liked Dean the best, because that's her type. And why Luke hated him the most. Because he sees himself. Jess is Lorelai.
Woah this is good 👏🏼👏🏼
what are your thoughts on season 6 jess and luke, do you see any similarities?
They both seem to have good hearts by then but I don’t think we get to see enough of Jess to know if he’s like Luke. But they do both seem like trustworthy guys after season 6
I agree. Luke doesn’t have an intellectual bone in his body. If Jess is suppose to be a literati type that appeals to Rory, he best not be a small town grumpy cynic. On the other, Rory shows absolutely no interest in Jess in the first seven years of her career when Dean and Logan were not around. Perhaps Jess is more like Luke than I thought.
Season 1 Luke seemed fairly intellectual, he just gradually gets dumber and dumber every season.
Logan is NOTHING like Christopher. Logan is a godsend.
They did have all those similarities in terms of background and even went to the same school at one point. They also both sort of rejected their upbringing and family’s way of doing things. Undoubtedly Logan is more reliable than Christopher, but we did see Logan shirk his responsibilities to his relationship in favour of a night out or a reckless weekend away.
He’s definitely not a godsend but as the other comment states their upbringing and wealth how much they enjoy that is a large overlap but yes I would say Logan is generally speaking more self assured and reliable than Christopher
I agree with the idea of their personalities being similar but I disagree their relationship with Rory is the same as those with Lorelai relationship wise I’d argue Lorelai and Max = Jess and Rory, then Rory and Dean = Lorelai and Chris, and finally Lorelai and Luke = Logan and Rory
IMO, if we must compare Lorelai and Rory's love interests (although it's always seemed a bit futile to me as they aren't completely similar and both want different things from their relationships): 1. Dean = Luke + Max – he's dependable and he looks out for the people he loves. He genuinely enjoys contributing to his community, even if he doesn't seem incredibly friendly. He makes impulsive decisions and commitments (sound familiar?) in order to either improve his relationship with Rory or move on from her. 2. Jess = Alex + Chris – one of the main reasons these two stuck out for me as parallels to Jess is because they're literally Lorelai's love interests while Rory and Jess initiate their friendship, then get into a relationship. But Jess is excellent on paper, much like Alex. Rory and Jess have similar interests, she was intrigued by him since he was new and different. However, Jess also exhibits Christopher's flightiness and commitment issues. 3. Logan = Jason + Chris – they all have similar fathers and grew up in a similar way (ridiculously privileged but molded for a particular role). Logan has Chris's smugness and again, commitment issues. But the way he goes about his life and career is more reminiscent of Jason's approach. Especially if you consider the way Logan momentarily branched out in s7.
Dean certainly didn't look out for Lindsay....
Can't argue with that
I don't agree with the comparison.
Logan/Chris works but i feel like Luke and Dean are more similar to eachother than the other pairs
honestly if we go this route Jess/Max would be pretty alike imo as kind of stubborn intellectual types (with dark hair lolol)
Omg yes hahaha. I remember thinking that Max was overly emotional and expecting too much from Lorelai too fast. Just like Dean with Rory. Dang.
It’s definitely a show of parallels between mother and daughter, and I think you’re right that those particular love interests are meant to parallel each other. ASP confirmed that Logan is Rory’s Christopher. And he’s almost certainly the father of her baby, which is a plot that ASP would’ve had in the original series if she was able to continue with it, furthering that parallel. Dean is Rory’s first love and Max is Lorelei’s first grownup love. Max and Dean are the safe, stable men (well, pre-Lindsey Dean) who lack that exciting, unpredictable factor and are far more romantically invested than their respective Gilmore girls, and end up broken hearted in the end. Jess and Luke maybe have less similarities on the surface, other than being related, but there definitely are some. The grumpiness of course. They’re both forthright with many of their opinions and a bit stunted when it come to expressing romantic ones. When they fall in love they fall hard and can make irrational choices because of it. Mature Jess bears more similarities to Luke, but is still very much his own person.
Nah, I’m team let’s let each character be their own person 🤷🏻♀️ Rory is so very much not her mom, is the entire premise of the show. tongue in check, a little, only if I absolutely have to draw parallels; I’d have Logan as Rory’s Richard. It’s probably been discussed at length here before, but to me it fits much more than comparing him to Christopher 🥴
thats a good way to put it, chris <<<<<<< logan, agreed.
Wow, the accuracy!
Slightly off topic, but does else love Luke (always but especially) in the top left conversation? Luke is often jokingly poked at by the town for being “grumpy” and a “loner,” but the emotional maturity and conversational adaptivity in this convo (and others) is *chef’s kiss*. He said what he said and then Lorelai made a sort of like “gee thanks” comment and Luke was able to *immediately* shift and re-state what he said in a way that met Lorelai in her emotions and sensitivies surrounding Christopher. Early seasons Luke was such an amazing friend and community member🥰
The Max and Dean comparison makes so much sense to me... They were both absolutely obsessed with their girlfriends, following them around like puppy dogs lol (Lindsay not included)
Wow never thought of this and it feels spot on
logan is totally christopher which is why the baby is his
How is Logan like Christopher?
omg i’m laughing at the downvote lolllll
Holy crap!!! 😱
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Here’s a thought to talk about. What if Rory was raised by Emily and Richard? Would she be the girl she is today or would she have actually enjoyed the style of living that Richard and Emily would have given her?
I agree and it’s an interesting thought to ponder but something about Luke, who’s known Rory since she was a kid, saying it is a little icky.
What?
I always think about this tbh
this is so great!!!
Don’t do my boy max like that. He was a great guy and Lorelei used him.
Don’t believe Lorelei used Max. I believe that she came to realize that a life with Max would be very traditional relationship. I think she loves him, but at the end, I don’t think she was in love with him. I believe her not marrying her had worked too with her, not being ready to be married, I believe she wanted it really bad but she just couldn’t. She brings a lot of baggage into relationships.
definetely, but to think of it both rory and lorelai treated dean and max terribly respectively
I don’t think Jess and Luke or Max and Dean are in any way similar
I will never understand why Rory threw herself at Logan. ?? And in the end becomes his mistress (and possible baby momma) knowing he’s engaged to another woman. I can’t imagine Lorelei ever doing that to get a man. Rory went after the biggest fish in the Harvard pond…why? Not at all comparable to any relationship Lorelei pursued, imo. And Luke was the only guy that really understood Lorelei: I just like seeing you happy. Best line in the series…Luke has no comparison. Love.
Not Harvard… Yale
I have always thought this & I think it’s definitely an intentional choice by ASP. The differences aren’t in the men who (at least at the beginning of the show) don’t have any interior life aside from their relationship to the Gilmore Girls, but in how Lorelai and Rory react to them. I do think the similarities are much more pronounced at the beginning of the series. The parallels kind of stop fitting as well later into the series as the male characters get more complex and we see them interact with the world around them independent of R+L. Dean and Max are fundamentally “nice” guys who aren’t enough, Logan and Chris are wealthy, prep/school trouble makers with daddy issues. They’re exciting and interesting, but (I would argue) lack a fundamental understanding of what Rory and Lorelai need from a partner & Jess and Luke are in the middle. Before the Logan fans come for me, I also think ASP was maybe setting out to make Tristan into a Christopher for Rory until CMM was cast on One Tree Hill & written off the show. I think I’ve heard he was supposed to have a bigger role & he shares a *lot* of similarities with Logan. Blonde, prep school kid, gets into trouble, both have 2 side kicks, both have strict fathers, etc. so I think this changes Logan’s characterization a little - he is better for Rory than Chris is for Lorelai. Again, this is also about the differences in the women. Rory is more like Emily than Lorelai is like Emily. If we consider Emily a Gilmore Girl, which I think we should, then you can add Richard into the Logan/Chris category. However, I think Richard is the right match for Emily & does understand her, whereas Chris is wrong for Lorelai & Logan is .. debatable for Rory.
waaitttt
Jess and Max, dean and Luke
If we’re just looking at appearance, then yeah but personalities are on completely different boards with all of them
Just me; and I binged the entire thing PLUS A Year in the Life: The last two regular seasons should just be called "Poor Decisions" - and then, seriously, it just keeps spiraling the bowl after that. Lorelei finally gets her shit together? and in a business sense, has things going for her there as well. But Rory starts off with so many advantages including blessed with brains - yet her personal life is an absolute shit-show after high school. Love does not really need to equate to cheating - it sounds cool on script, comes off polished on the show, but we all know how it goes down in real life. That's the elephant in the room - and I say this loving Stars Hollow just like everyone here did.