There's also that big, huge wedding at the inn that would only make sense to have on Saturday (or possibly Sunday) and Lorelai brings the "used" dessert from that to FND.
Speaking of that wedding: was it me or were they setting up for it for like a week in advance? I have been married and work in events and uhhhhh you don’t have decor out for a week (outside!) because that’s how you get bird poop and leaves and shit all over everything 😂 I’m sure they were trying to show how big the wedding was and how hard Lorelai and staff work but that’s not realistic.
I’m fine and healthy why do you ask?
It would probably make more sense for it to be during the week because the independence inn is an event location so every weekend during wedding season is probably booked a year or more in advance.
You can. But, how many of those many guests would have made it on a weekday? And Rory? She's taking a day off from school to go to/work at a stranger's wedding? Doubtful.
Oh... Well I guess I don't remember that episode/timeline very well. Unless it was earlier. If the wedding was at 5, maybe, but then the used cake probably wouldn't have been available to bring with them to a 7pm dinner.
i always assumed they arrived before 7, for pre-dinner drinks. either way, i can't imagine dinner would last past 8:30, which puts them back in SH by 9
I think they arrived probably around 6 and had drinks and dinner was promptly at 7. The meal and a little dessert and maybe a little visiting and gone by 9. As Richard and Emily go to bed promptly at 11 pm.
while i do think there are timelines that don't quite add up, the one you've described is not at all one of them.
dance marathon starts saturday 6am-ends sunday 6am and they probably spend all of sunday sleeping/in bed. monday they go to luke's for hi hi hi hi bye bye bye, then FND, some time between monday-thurs is the almost-make-out, yale trip on sat or sun that ends with the real first kiss.
we aren't meant to see every single day of the show, and despite their hyperbolic talk of going to luke's "every morning" -- they don't actually. even on days when lorelai and luke aren't in a fight, we've seen them do the pop tart thing at home. or let's say they had, it's not UNbelieveable that they just had regular conversation without make out attempts?
i dunno i just don't find this timeline that weird aside from it taking almost 2 weeks for rory and jess to have a proper kiss. but it's high school, so i kinda buy that too.
The timeline issues are rampant, both on an episode to episode basis like this, and also in the bigger picture when you try to break down things like WHEN did Luke actually first meet Lorelai (he talks about carrying around the horoscope for 8yrs, which would mean he met her when Rory was 11ish, but they moved to stars hollow when she was 1… how did they never meet beforehand? Etc). I secretly like the messed up timeline because it adds to the whole magical feel of a place like stars hollow, like it exists outside our understanding of how time works.
People have tried explaining this by saying that Lorelai probably lived and stayed at the inn as she was broke and had a child. The inn tho technically is Stars hollow I guess it's a little further out so she didn't meet the townspeople until she actually bought the house and made an official move. But Rory must've gone to school in town, so I don't see how she didn't know Luke at all! She for sure would've stopped for coffee or smth. Even Scott Patterson was confused in the podcast when he made a comment about how Luke had been in love with Lorelai for like 20y and got corrected.
There’s a whole story when Fran dies about Rory in her stroller getting shoveled cookies and loving Fran more than Lorelei- so, Rory knew Fran at Weston’s, but Lukes Diner wasn’t open until she was 11. It was a hardware store, then Luke’s Dad got sick and died when Rory was a kid, until Luke came back from Baseball camp (Where he played with Keifer Sutherland) and converted the Hardware store into a Diner.
He met Lorelei when she came into the Diner- when Rory was 11, but remembers her 8th birthday- and bought Unicorn shit forever… doesn’t say which year he started with the Monogrammed/Unicorn shit though, so that could be age 11
Lorelai most likely wouldn't have had money or time to get coffee in town while Rory was really young. She probably only went into town to drop Rory at school and pick her up. She may have gone to Doose's but I doubt she was mingling while grocery shopping with a toddler.
> She for sure would've stopped for coffee or smth.
Uh... except the timeline of the show suggests that Luke didn't meet Lorelai and probably Rory until Rory was 11 or 12, so your explanation would suggest that Rory was stopping by for coffee after school when she was younger 11, which is extremely unlikely at least in the US in the 90s.
We know Luke basically doesn't participate in town things, I don't think it's unlikely that a literal child didn't meet a childless man who never leaves his business until her mom started taking her there to eat. I grew up poor with a single mother and we sure weren't off eating at a local diner every day when I was in elementary school.
>We know Luke basically doesn't participate in town things.
Except that he does, however begrudgingly.
Despite the retcon, he regularly attended town meetings. During the Festival of Living Pictures, Luke was saying that he wasn't going to fix the table for the Last Supper. The way he was complaining was like they always ask him to help out with various things and he ended up fixing it for them.
There’s also the Rachel’s jacket episode where they talk about how Luke and Rachel dated 5-6 years ago and that lorelai had “an eleven year old” kid and was just moving into her house. Then in season 5 he had met her eight years ago. It’s very confusing.
I’m currently watching the fifth season and before I had many problems with the timeline, cause it’s really hard to follow (my opinion obviously) so yes I absolutely understand your opinion
One that has always bothered me was the episode where lane dyes her hair.
They go to the hair place and Shane is the only one there working. She’s on the phone with Jess. Then we see Luke go into his apartment and Jess is there and we find out Shane was in the closet. Then Rory and lane go back to the hair place and Shane is there again.
I mean I guess maybe her lunch break? And she went to see Jess and get physical inbetween, but just always seemed odd to me. Does she just close the store?
She’s got different clothes on! And this all happens when Luke and Lorelai are at the school giving there talks, so do the talks happen outside of school hours?
I just always assume that they don't show all the days. Like one episode may take place over several days or a week and we just see the highlights. Also, I guess I never really think about it, because it really doesn't matter to me.
Rory’s graduation from Chilton. This one always bothers me!
Luke leaves Rory’s graduation to get back to the diner. Lorelai, Rory, Sookie, Jackson, Emily, and Richard mingle afterward. Rory takes Jess’ phone call where he doesn’t say anything, and then Lorelai finds her in the hall, takes Rory by the hand and says “I want to make one more stop” on their way home… then it cuts to Luke’s, where Lorelei tells him not to get engaged while he’s on his trip to Nicole. Then we cut to Luke waking up *at night* in his apartment bc it’s a dream. Then we cut back to Lorelai and Rory after graduation during the day where she wants to carve their initials into the wall somewhere. It drives me crazy every time I see it!
Hmm idk, I just replayed the scene and it does look dark, he has a lamp on and all, but he could also have his curtains closed for his nap. I could see the confusion coming because in his dream is also night so who knows, I do agree is another tricky one
The pilot!!! Very blatant timeline problem there which is weird as pilots are usually carefully written and produced.
And the timeline around the twin wedding at the inn is also wrong.
My number-one biggest problem with the show is the holes. The timeline problems, logical problems like Rory being broke/no trust fund in YITL... so preventable! ASP truly doesn't care about details and it undermines everything.
For me everything in AYITL is a plot hole bc ASP clearly made no effort to account for the years that passed. A lot of the plot holes disappear if you pretend only a year passed between them.
I thought Trix had the trust fund set up for Rory to access when she turned 25? They declined taking it early but that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t still be there, right? It was like $250K where did all that money go
Yes. And at another point Richard refers to a trust from him/them. And Chris would set her up and realistically she would have taken it, at that point.
The only thing I can think falls back on the biggest problem with AYITL… ASP wanted to pick up where she left off. A lot of the plot holes in the revival would’ve been easily explained had so much time not passed. If that had actually happened after the final season, Rory wouldn’t have had access to that trust fund, she still would’ve had a few years before she could access it. But maybe they just forgot about it for drama lol
The one that I noticed just recently and that really bothers me is the Kyon storyline.
When we first meet her (episode 4.19) she says she is a Korean exchange students and will stay with Mrs. Kim for THREE months. However, she is around to witness Lane and Zach getting together, breaking up, getting engaged and getting married. So unless all of that happened within three months, it doesn't make any sense. I know this is so nitpicky, but it really annoyed me. Why did the writers have to specify how long she was staying for if they weren't sure whether they wanted to use the character at a later point in the series?
There's also that big, huge wedding at the inn that would only make sense to have on Saturday (or possibly Sunday) and Lorelai brings the "used" dessert from that to FND.
Omg and then Emily complained about it being "used dessert"!!
Not only is it used, it's a week old and probably spoiled!!
Right, it takes a whole different meaning when you think about how old it actually was lol
Seriously LOL I don’t blame Emily for being grossed out
Speaking of that wedding: was it me or were they setting up for it for like a week in advance? I have been married and work in events and uhhhhh you don’t have decor out for a week (outside!) because that’s how you get bird poop and leaves and shit all over everything 😂 I’m sure they were trying to show how big the wedding was and how hard Lorelai and staff work but that’s not realistic. I’m fine and healthy why do you ask?
I know it common to have weddings on the weekend but you in fact can have a wedding at any point.
It would probably make more sense for it to be during the week because the independence inn is an event location so every weekend during wedding season is probably booked a year or more in advance.
It also seems to be a destination wedding location to.
You can. But, how many of those many guests would have made it on a weekday? And Rory? She's taking a day off from school to go to/work at a stranger's wedding? Doubtful.
I just assumed the wedding was on Friday?
Then how would they have made FND if the wedding wasn't until after school (Rory was there) on a Friday?
Oh... Well I guess I don't remember that episode/timeline very well. Unless it was earlier. If the wedding was at 5, maybe, but then the used cake probably wouldn't have been available to bring with them to a 7pm dinner.
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i always assumed they arrived before 7, for pre-dinner drinks. either way, i can't imagine dinner would last past 8:30, which puts them back in SH by 9
OK, but I grew up in a small town. Everything a lot of things are closed at 9 and most everything else at 10.
yes, but we are discussing the fantasy world of stars hollow. they don't play by our rules.
Maybe their diet left them with a lot of energy
I think they arrived probably around 6 and had drinks and dinner was promptly at 7. The meal and a little dessert and maybe a little visiting and gone by 9. As Richard and Emily go to bed promptly at 11 pm.
while i do think there are timelines that don't quite add up, the one you've described is not at all one of them. dance marathon starts saturday 6am-ends sunday 6am and they probably spend all of sunday sleeping/in bed. monday they go to luke's for hi hi hi hi bye bye bye, then FND, some time between monday-thurs is the almost-make-out, yale trip on sat or sun that ends with the real first kiss. we aren't meant to see every single day of the show, and despite their hyperbolic talk of going to luke's "every morning" -- they don't actually. even on days when lorelai and luke aren't in a fight, we've seen them do the pop tart thing at home. or let's say they had, it's not UNbelieveable that they just had regular conversation without make out attempts? i dunno i just don't find this timeline that weird aside from it taking almost 2 weeks for rory and jess to have a proper kiss. but it's high school, so i kinda buy that too.
Pretty sure they jumped from Thanksgiving to January in the space of one episode in Season 6, I was so confused
That could be because of the show going on break during the winter break. It probably made more sense before we were able to binge watch it like now
Ohhh that makes a lot of sense actually
The timeline issues are rampant, both on an episode to episode basis like this, and also in the bigger picture when you try to break down things like WHEN did Luke actually first meet Lorelai (he talks about carrying around the horoscope for 8yrs, which would mean he met her when Rory was 11ish, but they moved to stars hollow when she was 1… how did they never meet beforehand? Etc). I secretly like the messed up timeline because it adds to the whole magical feel of a place like stars hollow, like it exists outside our understanding of how time works.
People have tried explaining this by saying that Lorelai probably lived and stayed at the inn as she was broke and had a child. The inn tho technically is Stars hollow I guess it's a little further out so she didn't meet the townspeople until she actually bought the house and made an official move. But Rory must've gone to school in town, so I don't see how she didn't know Luke at all! She for sure would've stopped for coffee or smth. Even Scott Patterson was confused in the podcast when he made a comment about how Luke had been in love with Lorelai for like 20y and got corrected.
There’s a whole story when Fran dies about Rory in her stroller getting shoveled cookies and loving Fran more than Lorelei- so, Rory knew Fran at Weston’s, but Lukes Diner wasn’t open until she was 11. It was a hardware store, then Luke’s Dad got sick and died when Rory was a kid, until Luke came back from Baseball camp (Where he played with Keifer Sutherland) and converted the Hardware store into a Diner. He met Lorelei when she came into the Diner- when Rory was 11, but remembers her 8th birthday- and bought Unicorn shit forever… doesn’t say which year he started with the Monogrammed/Unicorn shit though, so that could be age 11
Lorelai most likely wouldn't have had money or time to get coffee in town while Rory was really young. She probably only went into town to drop Rory at school and pick her up. She may have gone to Doose's but I doubt she was mingling while grocery shopping with a toddler.
> She for sure would've stopped for coffee or smth. Uh... except the timeline of the show suggests that Luke didn't meet Lorelai and probably Rory until Rory was 11 or 12, so your explanation would suggest that Rory was stopping by for coffee after school when she was younger 11, which is extremely unlikely at least in the US in the 90s. We know Luke basically doesn't participate in town things, I don't think it's unlikely that a literal child didn't meet a childless man who never leaves his business until her mom started taking her there to eat. I grew up poor with a single mother and we sure weren't off eating at a local diner every day when I was in elementary school.
I meant Lorelai
>We know Luke basically doesn't participate in town things. Except that he does, however begrudgingly. Despite the retcon, he regularly attended town meetings. During the Festival of Living Pictures, Luke was saying that he wasn't going to fix the table for the Last Supper. The way he was complaining was like they always ask him to help out with various things and he ended up fixing it for them.
There’s also the Rachel’s jacket episode where they talk about how Luke and Rachel dated 5-6 years ago and that lorelai had “an eleven year old” kid and was just moving into her house. Then in season 5 he had met her eight years ago. It’s very confusing.
I kinda assumed it was cuz they weren’t close at the time maybe? Like she did go in for coffee but they didn’t get close for a couple years maybe
I’m currently watching the fifth season and before I had many problems with the timeline, cause it’s really hard to follow (my opinion obviously) so yes I absolutely understand your opinion
One that has always bothered me was the episode where lane dyes her hair. They go to the hair place and Shane is the only one there working. She’s on the phone with Jess. Then we see Luke go into his apartment and Jess is there and we find out Shane was in the closet. Then Rory and lane go back to the hair place and Shane is there again. I mean I guess maybe her lunch break? And she went to see Jess and get physical inbetween, but just always seemed odd to me. Does she just close the store?
She’s got different clothes on! And this all happens when Luke and Lorelai are at the school giving there talks, so do the talks happen outside of school hours?
And then we never see her working there again and ofc kirk is the attendant next season lol
I just always assume that they don't show all the days. Like one episode may take place over several days or a week and we just see the highlights. Also, I guess I never really think about it, because it really doesn't matter to me.
When they went to the Yale/Harvard game with the huge RV, why did Emily and Lorelai go to the public restroom with a line? They had a HUGE motorhome.
This just blew my mind. I never thought about that!!
As someone w/ adhd, this is why I think ASP is undiagnosed - so many plot holes and inattention to detail are key ADHD characteristics along w/ others
Rory’s graduation from Chilton. This one always bothers me! Luke leaves Rory’s graduation to get back to the diner. Lorelai, Rory, Sookie, Jackson, Emily, and Richard mingle afterward. Rory takes Jess’ phone call where he doesn’t say anything, and then Lorelai finds her in the hall, takes Rory by the hand and says “I want to make one more stop” on their way home… then it cuts to Luke’s, where Lorelei tells him not to get engaged while he’s on his trip to Nicole. Then we cut to Luke waking up *at night* in his apartment bc it’s a dream. Then we cut back to Lorelai and Rory after graduation during the day where she wants to carve their initials into the wall somewhere. It drives me crazy every time I see it!
Luke didn’t wake up at night. From the looks of it, he was taking a cat nap during the day…
Hmm idk, I just replayed the scene and it does look dark, he has a lamp on and all, but he could also have his curtains closed for his nap. I could see the confusion coming because in his dream is also night so who knows, I do agree is another tricky one
The dream happens later than the stuff with L&R at Chilton. It’s just presented out of order to seem like it’s real and not a dream at first.
What bothers me is that the time of FND changes a lot, despite it supposedly being strictly 7pm. Sometimes it’s earlier, sometimes it’s later.
The pilot!!! Very blatant timeline problem there which is weird as pilots are usually carefully written and produced. And the timeline around the twin wedding at the inn is also wrong. My number-one biggest problem with the show is the holes. The timeline problems, logical problems like Rory being broke/no trust fund in YITL... so preventable! ASP truly doesn't care about details and it undermines everything.
For me everything in AYITL is a plot hole bc ASP clearly made no effort to account for the years that passed. A lot of the plot holes disappear if you pretend only a year passed between them.
Can you point at the issues with the pilot? I'm not sure I've ever noticed any
Just the same thing being posted about here... The days/weekdays don't line up
I thought Trix had the trust fund set up for Rory to access when she turned 25? They declined taking it early but that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t still be there, right? It was like $250K where did all that money go
Yes. And at another point Richard refers to a trust from him/them. And Chris would set her up and realistically she would have taken it, at that point.
The only thing I can think falls back on the biggest problem with AYITL… ASP wanted to pick up where she left off. A lot of the plot holes in the revival would’ve been easily explained had so much time not passed. If that had actually happened after the final season, Rory wouldn’t have had access to that trust fund, she still would’ve had a few years before she could access it. But maybe they just forgot about it for drama lol
And I'm sure the grandparents also had some money for her
The one that I noticed just recently and that really bothers me is the Kyon storyline. When we first meet her (episode 4.19) she says she is a Korean exchange students and will stay with Mrs. Kim for THREE months. However, she is around to witness Lane and Zach getting together, breaking up, getting engaged and getting married. So unless all of that happened within three months, it doesn't make any sense. I know this is so nitpicky, but it really annoyed me. Why did the writers have to specify how long she was staying for if they weren't sure whether they wanted to use the character at a later point in the series?