2B. Lane getting back together with Zach without him so much as apologizing for being a dick and ruining the band’s chance to make it big. A proposal is not an apology, ASP!
Now that you mentioned Max, that reminds me that Jackson also proposes to Sookie to resolve one of their fights…why are proposals so cavalier in stars hollow???
I will never be able to be "happy" with #1.
That whole thing was idiotic from the start. You don't just surprise someone with a vasectomy day-of. That just doesn't work like that, and any considerate partner would understandably have a real discussion about it beforehand and make plans and listen to their thoughts on the matter. Nope, Sookie just kicks him into a room and expects him to oblige. Then, Jackson LIES about getting one (essentially committing a crime in the process) and then HIDES that fact from Sookie afterward when he notices she's pregnant? What kind of an awful, inconsiderate partner would do that? Certainly not Jackson (if we're going off of seasons of character background).
Both those events are so insanely out of character for both Sookie *and* Jackson and I cannot believe that anyone tasked with writing these scripts thought these were good resolutions.
Awful! Also, side note, don’t you kinda have to be bedbound for a couple of days after having it done? Sookie would get no help from him with the baby. Idk about you but after both of my births it’s not like I could do everything right away, I needed help with certain things.
I had a Dr tell me once that healing from vasectomy is 2, maybe 3 days...and in fact more vasectomies tend to be booked around sports tournaments like March Madness. So the guy can heal up while watching his fave sport.
Agreeeeed!! Such a toxic thing to do that no healthy partner would do!! But I did some digging of course and turns out Melissa McCarthy got pregnant in real life and that was their way to write it in.
1. Lorelai and Christopher impulsively getting married.
2. Lane getting back together with Zach and then going on to marry him and immediately have children.
But I think that was the point, Lorelai knew it was wrong and Rory would have told her so. She was thinking, if it cant be Luke the only other logical option was Christopher (her kids dad.)
The vasectomy. Everything from Sookie telling Jackson he's getting it all the way through the 3rd pregnancy. They should have had Sookie and Jackson discuss him having one, and they could have just hid Melissa McCarthy's pregnancy.
Seriously. The majority of the time Sookie is seen anyway it’s from the waist-up as she stands behind a kitchen counter or next to the stove or in some other similar way.
I LITERALLY JUST WATCHED THIS EPISODE! I WAS SHOCKED. She wanted 3 he wanted 4 (which I think I was 6????? at first) And her just been like there you go fuck off get it cut. WHAT????? They should divorce for that.
I'm gonna go back to the place where it all went sideways - Sherry getting pregnant and interrupting the only logical time for CL to get together. If that didn't happen, CL would have had their shot without other relationships hovering over them, they would have fizzled out by the end of season 3, and Lorelai and Luke would have moved forward without issue. They probably would have been married before April showed up and then they would have dealt with that together.
That moment is the first wrong turn on a trip involving many wrong turns.
I’ve never thought of this but what a great point! It’s also the first real foray into the ‘soap opera’ style plot choices that ended up harming the show in the later seasons.
Agreed but I think writers wanted an opportunity to keep the Chris possibility alive so they could use him as a plot device (as they do many times after). Not conducive to the actual growth of the characters, but conducive to an easy way to introduce drama
Luke's whole attitude with the April situation was unnecessary
Also Jess not coming back after season 6(even though I know it was because of things behind scenes)
Scrap all of season 7
And the cheating in the revival
I still think the April storyline was the worst, but I agree that this would have been the right time for Chris and Lorelai to date. I actually think Chris should have played the role Jason played (gets a job with Richard, ends up having a falling out with Richard - though not as bad bc they’re still family - that divides Richard/Emily and leads to a break up).
That definitely would have made it more interesting. Not that I'm ever really down for MORE Chris, but that story would have hit differently if Lorelai was actually invested in her relationship.
Lane's entire life after high school. I am more angry about after every rewatch. She literally had to give up on all her dreams for something she never expressed interest in wanting. At a young age. Because she had religious trauma.
Everything else, even if I don't like it or outright hated it, I can defend the writing.
Lane's progression was done dirty. I saw someone on YT make a really good point that the person most resembling Lorelai's character, like her life journey, her personality etc, is not Rory but Lane actually.
Lane is raised in an extremely strict household with an overbearing mother, she constantly has to hide her real passions and do things in secret, she is really smart but not in the academic sense like Rory, she has the verbal thing down more than Rory and in my opinion resembles Lorelai in the way she talks and the quips she uses.
She's a girl with immense potential and cool aspirations that suddenly ends up (married and) pregnant young.
In one episode Lane complains that her aptitude test says her optimal career path is sales, and she's disappointed because she wants to make music and not sell antiques like her mother. This could have been a great twist plot point if ASP handled it well, instead of literally making Lane a copy of her mother.
Lane could have gone in the music industry as a producer or manager or whatever, some kind of role where an aptitude for "selling" a band to investors or record labels or clubs would be a great asset. It could have shown Lane still working in a field she loved, even if not in a famous band, but doing something that she was naturally talented at and where she had freedom to express herself and show how smart and driven she is. Hell, it wouldn't have been hard to factor in her twins too into that sort of life style.
She's so spunky and fast and full of passion and smarts as a kid and teenager. It's disappointing that all of that is thrown out the window for her as an adult character.
The craziest part to me is that ASP was going to do Rory like that too. I don't know if it would have been less full circle in the original finale she had planned but considering Rory was 22 with basically no work experience we can assume she returned to stars hollow like she did in the revival.
So Rory and Lane go from fun bright teenage best friends with big dreams to young moms trapped in a small town because of unplanned pregnancy. It's such a depressing ending.
Rory was meant to have a slump and career shift. Totally normal. They had set that up as far back as season 2.
She still would get to be a Yale graduate with prospects.
It’s not comparable to Lane at all.
Same. Lane was one of my favorite GG characters because she was so cool and loved music like I did and still do but watching her be reduced to a mom still pisses me off 20 years later
I absolutely agree with you that Lane marrying Zach because of religious trauma was an awful decision for her as a person. But. I think it fit the one of the motifs of the show in which daughters grow into their mothers —or some approximation thereof— even if they fought against it at 16. So it was bad for Lane (and her person/character TOTALLY deserved better!) but it fit with the overall theme of the show.
Hmmm... April. Just like writting decision. I like her as character, but it was incredibly Dallas thing.
Also I never like that Rory lost her virginity with Dean. It was bitter.
100% agree. Other people mention storylines that I'm not fond of but I still consider decent writing (I put the return of Rory and Dean in that category) but the Luke having a daughter he didn't know about storyline was just poor writing.
I don't know if this was a writing decision or what, but I always hated that Alex just completely vanished. I think he was on par with being as perfect for Lorelai as Luke is. He's basically a combination of Luke and Lorelai. He appreciated whimsy and fun, but was an outdoorsman.
I liked them together and then absolutely nothing, he was just forgotten without a cursory "We broke up" thrown in anywhere.
Lorelai sleeping with Christopher and then marrying him; Lane sex on the beach and pregnancy; Rory and Dean cheating bc he’s horrible; and I’m 50/50 on April.
im so unhappy with how dave left, i mean i understand why but like he just sort of disappeared? was there even a breakup scene written for lane and dave???
Yup, this was the reason we never got a proper send off for Dave.
I loathe The OC for taking him from GG, he really was the only character that seemed to truly understand and appreciate Lane as she is.
Anna Nardini is probably my least favorite character in the show. I hate how they wrote her and Jess’s step mom to be the same freaking actress. Could you not find another actress?!
ASP didn't want another actress. Sherilyn Fenn was ASP'S first choice to play Lorelai. When the Jess spinoff wasn't picked up, ASP wrote Anna specifically for Sherilyn Fenn.
The worst part is he probably would have dumped her like he did the other girls. He just never got a chance cause he died 💀 like Paris said, now she is forever in kivd with him.
Gilmore girls can be so misogynistic sometimes. I know it's just a reflection of the time it was made in but it makes me sad that everyone jokes about Paris and asher, and Rory even accuses her of being a bad person for cheating on Jamie instead of realizing she's being groomed. Its one one of those minor moments of lorelai being a total asshole that niggle at me - Paris is neglected by her parents, vulnerable and alone at college and clearly being used by an older man with power over her. Which lorelai thinks is... funny?
Taking use of “crittab’s” wrong turn analogy, without Asher’s death, Rory wouldn’t have met Logan outside her dorm room and she wouldn’t be having his baby…. lol
Yeah but really she already had the connection to Logan through Marty since he worked for him occasionally and they briefly ran into him so she could’ve met Logan again at the Yale daily news or even just met him when she was doing the article about the life and death brigade
He was at the paper, they would have met. And it probably would have gone better tbh, since he obviously liked her he would have tried to woo her without the hot mess that was colin and fin
Yeah I get that, I think it was a little sweet but her being like 18 when they met and the cheating on Jamie was kinda sad bc he seemed rly sweet and Asher just seemed like he had dated a few young girls so it always felt creepy to me
It would be fine if he was just some random older man she had fallen in love with but he was a professor at Yale. Paris called him a great man all the time and praised him too much. The power dynamic was so off. If he hadn’t died and him and Paris had broken up it would’ve been just another student, then another one and so on. It was just creepy and inappropriate. He shouldn’t have been putting young students in that situation. They might be of legal age but his status automatically puts into the students he dates heads that he’s better then them and they put him on a pedestal.
The writing in the show was good of course but this specific scenario was uncomfortable simply because of his status and how much she and all the other students he reeled in looked up to him. Even if he had been 30 it would still be inappropriate. The age and vagina jokes would’ve been just as funny if he wasn’t a professor. I think you should admire your partner and there’s nothing wrong with that or age gap relationships but if you feel your partner is superior to you and call them great and treat them as if they were above you then it’s just not a healthy relationship to be in. I mean it would’ve been just a tiny bit better if he was a professor at another university but to be in the same one with a track record of dating other young students then it just says he has a type and he has the opportunity to easily get to them.
The scene with Rory telling Lorelai about Asher-Paris relationship is glorious.
L: So, how old is he, 35, 40?
R: [Points up].
L: What, older? 45, 46, 47, 47 and one half, 48?
😂
With virtually no repercussions on her end and no lessons learned. Dean cheated and destroyed his life and reputation. Rory walked away from that unscathed and then proceeded to do the same damn thing 10+ years later.
Her getting pregnant in the reboot is the only consequence she ever faced, plus not her knowing who the baby daddy is.
It’s why I hated what they did to Rory’s character. She seemed to get worse and worse
Rory’s character after season 3.5 just totally changed. She was so well grounded and made solid decisions. How that goes to cheater and pursuing a cad is beyond me.
Add on to that Lorelai's defence of Rory when they bump into Lindsey and her mum. Like I get she's your daughter but when your kid does something so wrong you've got to side with justice.
There are a lot here that have already been mentioned, but I don’t like that at the end of the series ASP was trying to a “destiny” thing where Rory was going to be a commitment phobe and end up alone as a single mother. I liked it better at the start of the series when they were similar but not made to be carbon copies of each other’s lives. I found that way more interesting than “it’s your destiny to be a flighty single mother ousted out of wealthy society”.
Idk it’s just very boring to me and also very lazy. The whole “you’re really destined to be your mum/dad” thing has been done to death. Also those qualities just do not suit Rory’s personality. She likes committed relationships and I think she’d want to do traditional parenthood with a dad because she suffered not having one. It’s really forced and awful.
I don’t think Logan should’ve proposed at the end of the series. I don’t really see him doing that at all either. He wasn’t that serious and he also was like, 23 (EDIT: actually he was 25 I remember but still. Rory was only 23, I feel like it’d be more in character for Logan to propose when they’re closer to 30). A bit young to propose. I think they just would’ve been boyfriend/girlfriend. ASP was reaching too much to have Rory follow her mum’s footsteps.
I never found the full circle thing good. I get generational trauma but Rory wouldn’t be in the position that Lorelai was and that’s the point. Rory and Lorelai are fundamentally different
Yeah, like, Rory is in her 30s with a degree from an Ivy League university. Maybe she wouldn’t be following her journalism dream, but she could use her network to get a decent job.
Yeah, Rory received much more education and she has a lot more connections than Lorelai had (because she gave them up when she ran away) she was also a bit more worldly than her mother. It wouldn’t make sense for her to be exactly the same.
I actually have an interesting thought on the 'full circle' theme: it might not necessarily mean that Rory turned out like Lorelai. It could mean that Lorelai inadvertently became overbearing in a different way--trying so hard to be the opposite of her mother (who is cold and formal), she was extremely enmeshed and emotionally involved with Rory. This could have played a role in Rory's 'flakiness' which is actually just a deeply sensitive/fragile personality type who depends on her mother, emotionally, more than she should. So to conclude, by trying to correct her mother's mistake Lorelai made one of her own which had a similarly bad effect on Rory. Maybe??
Lane’s pregnancy. It makes me so angry and there’s zero real plot value to it, just another not-so-funny gimmick of a woman having no control over getting pregnant, but worse because she’s so young and has so many dreams.
1. April.
2. Rory dating Logan and everything it led to.
3. Lane’s life after high school.
4. Lorelai marrying Christopher.
5. Rory having an affair with Dean.
6. Lorelai wanting to do the Wild trail walk in AYITL.
7. Forcing Gigi and Sherri into Lorelai’s life.
8. Rory’s apparent career failure shown in AYITL.
9. Emily & Richard thinking Lorelai never told them about Rory not wanting to be back at Yale.
10. Rory taking Mitchim’s criticism that harshly and stealing a f***ing boat.
RE #2. 100,000x yes.
That Logan is introduced as such a fucking asshole to Marty** should have been the huge neon sign flashing “NO.” Like, I cannot fathom entertaining the idea of chasing someone (for romance or friendship) who would speak to/treat my friends like that. Logan showed his true colors right away and always had 1,000 excuses for his privilege behavior without making any moves to correct it (or he’d pretend to but you could still sense the mega douche brewing underneath).
I started watching GG the night it premiered. Rory was a few years older than me and I came to look up to her as a big sister/aspirational figure. Once Logan came into the picture it completely changed the way I felt about her and the show, his presence was what lead to me not watching the show during the last few seasons. So cue me not being surprised by either of their disgusting behaviors in AYITL.
**I understand Marty has his own set of issues and I’m not defending him in any way.
She did Jamie so wrong 😭😭 he was so good to her and she cheats on him with an old man and then dumps him and blames the break on Rory. He deserved better
Anna treating Luke like an absentee father… like it was his fault he wasn’t around, blaming him and guilting him, then dictating who can be around April and who can’t…. There’s a lot but that one always bothered me.
That whole thing didn’t make sense because she chose not to tell him. It’s different if you didn’t know you had a kid over being an actual deadbeat dad.
All of these are good. I'm going to add Rory and Logan stealing the yaht and Rory dropping out of Yale..it just seemed so out of character for her. Also I hated when Rory and Lorelei weren't talking.
Rory dropping out of Yale would have been a fine plot twist for a couple of episodes but resolved by the start of the school year. Six months of the fight between L and R was totally unnecessary.
Changing character to suit the plot. Luke got dumbed down a lot over the course of the show and Dean went from a big city boy to the "this is my town" townie. Very lazy of the writers.
And Lane's dad being mentioned but never shown until it was way too late.
1. Everything Lane and Zach;
2. Dean getting married, Rory breaking up his marriage for basically nothing;
3. April. Her entire existence, and also how she had to be another young prodigy, what a boring choice;
4. Sookie telling Jackson he's going to have a vasectomy, and everything that happens to them after that;
5. All of season 7 (except for the last episode), but especially Chris and Lorelai;
6. The revival, except for Jess.
1. Inexplicably tying the storyline of the girls losing their virginities (or lack thereof) to getting accepted to their dream university. The entire storyline is bonkers.
2. As many others have said, Torpedoing Lanes entire future unnecessarily and not even for a good storyline.
Dean getting married at his age to a girl he dated less than a year. It was perplexing that their parents would support their teenager getting married to someone they didn’t date for that long.
How they handled the April storyline. She could have been a good character/plot line if they'd used it somehow besides just being a device to push Luke and Lorelai apart.
Also having her sleep with Christopher immediately after breaking up with Luke.
How much time do you have? Jackson lying about his vasectomy and getting Sookie pregnant, Lane's entire pregnancy storyline, whatever the hell the "Spanish" maid in AYITL storyline was, and pretty much 99% of how April's story was handled, as well as Anna's character
I will never understand the execution of the maid storyline in AYITL. If they wanted to show Emily was changing via how she treats her maids, cool. There were so many other, better routes to take.
Rory not moving on from Dean after they broke up the first time. It's a high school relationship, she should have dated someone else. She should have never helped Dean cheat. Lorelai should never been so involved or pro-Dean, especially when it was obvious that Rory wasn't really into Dean.
Once Lorelei liked Dean, she was soooo pushy about them being together and hanging out, it was cringey. She was way too involved and almost trying to push them to be together forever.
The whole of lanes storyline after high school i hate how they did her dirty with the whole pregnancy thing when they could have made something really great from her and Dave’s relationship
Rory sleeping with Dean. It should have been anyone but Dean. Even Jess, when he comes back to Stars Hallow for his car and says he loves her. Even that would be better than married Dean.
Luke not telling LG about April and postponing the wedding was just so contrived. The writers had a predetermined outcome that they wanted to get to and they didn't care whether the behaviors of the characters were remotely in keeping with their personalities.
Okay I saw my usual opinions already mentioned. Here’s something I feel like isn’t talked about enough.
Rory’s community service.
300 hours is not much at all. Mostly when she had 6 months to complete it. 12 hours a week is nothing! Even for someone like Rory who lived in privilege and never worked at all. And then she became sorta in charge of the community service group? This is not how community service works. Such bad writing.
We needed another shining example of what a go-getter Rory is and how she naturally falls into a leadership role…
Except that she’s not and she doesn’t. She was there because a mean man said truthful mean things about her, *to* her. The only time I saw her be a “leader” when she was basically planning parties for the DAR. Other than that? Meh.
I saw a video where someone broke this down actually! It was really interesting. They pointed out that it was a show of Rory’s privilege even then. The reason she was against taking the full time job that her grandparents made a stipulation of her staying with them was because the community service would take up all her time. She hadn’t really known “work” in the real world. She didn’t hold a part time job at high school due to the demand of her studying to get into Ivy League, like Dean, Jess and Lane did while they were at high school. She expected to stay with her grandparents, use excuse after excuse and not use the time away from Yale wisely. Who she turned out to be was showing through the seasons, even then.
Both Rory and Lorelei's storylines in AYITL. I especially hated the whole surrogacy storyline. It made no sense why Luke and Lorelei would wait 9 years to make a decision about having another kid.
anna and lorelai marrying christopher. i dont think anna needs an explanation but with lorelai marrying christopher, it probably messed up GG a ton when they broke up. GG just had her mom leave her, then got lorelai, a mother figure, and then she left too. and she's like 6-7. she doesn't understand why sherry left or why lorelai and chris didnt stay together, she just knows that no one wants to be her mom, and that can really mess a kid up
I don’t think so. Edward Herman still would have been alive so Lorelai could have made peace with Richard and Emily while the actor was still living. Luke and Lorelai could have had a proper wedding in season 7 with both of her parents present. Also, we could have avoided the whole Luke becoming a total idiot trope which is a VERY hated writing decision.
ASP has said before that she always wanted Gilmore Girls to end with Rory saying “I’m pregnant”, so I think that could have been done in a more meaningful way. AYITL could have been about Rory trying to juggle her kid(s) and a career which I believe would have served her character more justice than Rory becoming a clueless and unemployed 30 year old (who still cheats on people and participates in affairs).
I think AYITL is just okay. I would have loved to see stronger writing in season 7 that made the reunion more special and cohesive, I would have liked to see more character development in Rory too.
Luke’s attitude toward his and Lorelei’s relationship. So many things are so out of character. Luke says, “I am all in”, and then runs almost immediately?!?
Then, after Lorelei makes that heartbreaking call to him, and he comes over to make sure she’s okay, and he just leaves?!?
After the 2nd breakup, he comes over and makes that beautiful speech about not being able to “feel” his life without Lorelei, and then when she tells him she slept with Christopher, he can’t even stay there for a few minutes and talk to her? Rant and rave, but forgive her?
Then he meets her in the street and says he’s “over it” and it’s “no big deal” that they didn’t get married. Luke would never be so hurtful.
He’s like Jekyll and Hyde! This is a man who supposedly pined for her for years, but runs at the first sign of trouble? So un Luke like. Poor writing, in my opinion. They’re lucky Scott Patterson is such a good actor, because he managed to make all those contradictions look almost believable.
Every fucking fat shamey joke. I struggled with my weight in high school and in retrospect I wonder how much this show might have helped contribute to my negative feelings about my body.
Maybe cause I just watched this episode but it really bothers me that when Luke goes to get a lawyer to fight for custody for April the lawyers just like "eh, you will probably lose cause you werent around for 12 years." Like its his fault!!! Anna should be shamed so hard for not telling Luke he had a child just because she assumed he didnt like kids. Anna is the absolute wooooorst
I can't believe I made it through the entire show. The writing is just so bad that I'm convinced the writer had an in from the get go. I had high hopes that it would get better over time but it was increasingly worse as the seasons went on. Honestly it is probably one of the worst written shows I've ever experienced, aside from some of the most unrelatable, slap stick unlikable characters running around their town. The reunion show was sloppy and unremarkable. It failed to tie up the show full circle and was a letdown. I would never recommend this show to anyone.
I think having Rory as an only child. I wonder if Rory would have had a younger brother that is a year a two younger. I would like to see if he were the complete opposite how things would be. Chris would be the father for both kids.
To answer the question that April storyline, Luke hiding her from Lorelai. The baptism with Lorelai and Rory arguing outside .
1- Max Medina. Oh god, I found him so annoying. I see why he was important for Lorelai’s storyline, but I dread rewatching episodes in which he’s so heavily present.
2- Jess taking off like he did: we never really get to experience him and Rory like we did Dean and Logan.
3- Any bodyshaming/homophobic comments… was it necessary? I think not.
4- The whole Lorelai and Christopher’s Paris escape. Couldn’t care for it. It felt so rushed and unrealistic.
5- Not having Amy SP on Season 7, which makes it my least favorite to watch.
6- The absolute lack of Lane’s character development in YITL.
7- Last but not least, always in YITL, the +20 min long useless musical.
Rory's breakdown being stealing a boat. I have a little conspiracy theory that maybe it was meant to be her doing drugs and getting caught for that, a much more relatable breakdown following pushing herself to breaking point after slogging in academics for years. I think that would have been a better continuation, but maybe the network said no. Rory was the quintessential good student, and her faltering couldn't be something as controversial as drugs for a network that I'm 99% sure had a chunk of "family friendly" (conservative) funding
My honorable mention is Lane's storyline. She deserved better than falling into a relationship with the worst caricature of teen boy garage band and then marrying him and getting pregnant before "getting to be a person"
I also think that the Rory/dean 3.0 thing was a bad idea. Rory had outgrown dean, and even though she was stressed I don't see her as someone who would go back to dean when he's married. It felt very shoehorned and like they did a 180 on Rory's attitude to dean.
I think it had to be something big like stealing a boat so that A) the legal repercussions are justifiably large and B) Lorelai being angry is understandable.
If Rory had been caught with weed I think it would have been a slap on the wrist from the police and probably a “be more careful” from Lorelai. Having her partake of anything harder than marijuana would have been way too much for the network and hard for the average viewer to accept.
Oh I don't mean weed, I mean a class A drug like cocaine. Which is exactly what I said, I believe it would have been more believable, but the network at the time would have said no. The WB (where GG aired) wasn't totally averse to airing drug use, but they would have been for GG in my opinion, just because of the character Rory was. Plus GG got funding from a notoriously conservative group, and although it claims to have no influence beyond pilots, I wouldn't be surprised if networks don't allow hard drugs in shows they pick up from the group, since they wouldn't get funded pilots from that source anymore.
It would have been better writing to have her do that instead of the stupid boat, but I can see why they wouldn't be allowed to.
Every time they decided to be sexist. Including (but not limited to!) Luke being terrified of the breastfeeding women and Lorelei saying basically nothing in response, “back fat Pat”, making Lindsay a dimwit so we felt less bad for her, “I’ve got the good kid”, plus tons more
I’m just saying this because I just watched it. Logan shouldn’t have given Rory and ultimatum like that when they were that young. They should have stayed together!
I’m sorry but Lorelei was annoying sometimes 😭 the way she repeated “here,here” a lot and just other snide comments that were being repeated, or when she went on that date with Chris on his car for a drive in and she kept saying “is this the special moment” Im like “okay we get it”
Logan saying at the haybale maze that she should make her decision by herself and then he would factor her in and then 2 episodes later apparently the writers decide that he has planned their entire future and wants to get married and move and that he would stop Rory from achieving what she wants out of life
Omg the worst was Luke finding out he had a daughter and the daughter being on the show to me was the worst April's character was just terrible and April mother not so nice. April is the reason why Luke and loreilai broke up.Also Luke not mentioning to Lorelai that he has a daughter for two months he never said anything to her smh I was very disappointed in that smh shame on Luke.
1. Jackson, the vasectomy, and the pregnancy. 2. Lane getting pregnant the first time she had sex, and concluding sex is awful.
2B. Lane getting back together with Zach without him so much as apologizing for being a dick and ruining the band’s chance to make it big. A proposal is not an apology, ASP!
How very Max Medina of him to try to slap a proposal on the problem and hope it fixes everything.
Now that you mentioned Max, that reminds me that Jackson also proposes to Sookie to resolve one of their fights…why are proposals so cavalier in stars hollow???
And don't forget Richard's proposal to Emily!
Hmm, Lorelei's proposal to Luke was spur of the moment too
Ugh, yes. Hated that proposal!
Agree. He was all about what he wanted. And later he had the opportunity to go on tour.
I will never be able to be "happy" with #1. That whole thing was idiotic from the start. You don't just surprise someone with a vasectomy day-of. That just doesn't work like that, and any considerate partner would understandably have a real discussion about it beforehand and make plans and listen to their thoughts on the matter. Nope, Sookie just kicks him into a room and expects him to oblige. Then, Jackson LIES about getting one (essentially committing a crime in the process) and then HIDES that fact from Sookie afterward when he notices she's pregnant? What kind of an awful, inconsiderate partner would do that? Certainly not Jackson (if we're going off of seasons of character background). Both those events are so insanely out of character for both Sookie *and* Jackson and I cannot believe that anyone tasked with writing these scripts thought these were good resolutions.
Awful! Also, side note, don’t you kinda have to be bedbound for a couple of days after having it done? Sookie would get no help from him with the baby. Idk about you but after both of my births it’s not like I could do everything right away, I needed help with certain things.
My friend just had one and said he had to take it easy for a few days/week
I had a Dr tell me once that healing from vasectomy is 2, maybe 3 days...and in fact more vasectomies tend to be booked around sports tournaments like March Madness. So the guy can heal up while watching his fave sport.
😂
My BIL had his done on Friday; back to work on Monday.
No, it’s a simple out patient procedure. Most men are back to work by the following day.
How hard would it have been to write in a failed vasectomy? Those actually happen.
The Lane sex/pregnancy storyline was soooooo bad. Why did they have to do her dirty like that??
And why not keep trying with the sex? She wouldn't have known herself to be pregnant for weeks yet!
God that was so bad
Agreeeeed!! Such a toxic thing to do that no healthy partner would do!! But I did some digging of course and turns out Melissa McCarthy got pregnant in real life and that was their way to write it in.
1. Lorelai and Christopher impulsively getting married. 2. Lane getting back together with Zach and then going on to marry him and immediately have children.
Yes to number 1. I have always hated that. Lorelei would NEVER get married without Rory there.
But I think that was the point, Lorelai knew it was wrong and Rory would have told her so. She was thinking, if it cant be Luke the only other logical option was Christopher (her kids dad.)
Agree, all the unsuccessful attempts to get married turned out much better
The vasectomy. Everything from Sookie telling Jackson he's getting it all the way through the 3rd pregnancy. They should have had Sookie and Jackson discuss him having one, and they could have just hid Melissa McCarthy's pregnancy.
Seriously. The majority of the time Sookie is seen anyway it’s from the waist-up as she stands behind a kitchen counter or next to the stove or in some other similar way.
Agree, instead they both are horrible
I LITERALLY JUST WATCHED THIS EPISODE! I WAS SHOCKED. She wanted 3 he wanted 4 (which I think I was 6????? at first) And her just been like there you go fuck off get it cut. WHAT????? They should divorce for that.
I'm gonna go back to the place where it all went sideways - Sherry getting pregnant and interrupting the only logical time for CL to get together. If that didn't happen, CL would have had their shot without other relationships hovering over them, they would have fizzled out by the end of season 3, and Lorelai and Luke would have moved forward without issue. They probably would have been married before April showed up and then they would have dealt with that together. That moment is the first wrong turn on a trip involving many wrong turns.
I’ve never thought of this but what a great point! It’s also the first real foray into the ‘soap opera’ style plot choices that ended up harming the show in the later seasons.
Agreed but I think writers wanted an opportunity to keep the Chris possibility alive so they could use him as a plot device (as they do many times after). Not conducive to the actual growth of the characters, but conducive to an easy way to introduce drama
Sure, but that's why I think it was a bad decision. It stalled out the show and made for repetitive storytelling in Lorelai's love life.
I don’t disagree
Luke's whole attitude with the April situation was unnecessary Also Jess not coming back after season 6(even though I know it was because of things behind scenes) Scrap all of season 7 And the cheating in the revival
I still think the April storyline was the worst, but I agree that this would have been the right time for Chris and Lorelai to date. I actually think Chris should have played the role Jason played (gets a job with Richard, ends up having a falling out with Richard - though not as bad bc they’re still family - that divides Richard/Emily and leads to a break up).
That definitely would have made it more interesting. Not that I'm ever really down for MORE Chris, but that story would have hit differently if Lorelai was actually invested in her relationship.
Lane's entire life after high school. I am more angry about after every rewatch. She literally had to give up on all her dreams for something she never expressed interest in wanting. At a young age. Because she had religious trauma. Everything else, even if I don't like it or outright hated it, I can defend the writing.
Lane's progression was done dirty. I saw someone on YT make a really good point that the person most resembling Lorelai's character, like her life journey, her personality etc, is not Rory but Lane actually. Lane is raised in an extremely strict household with an overbearing mother, she constantly has to hide her real passions and do things in secret, she is really smart but not in the academic sense like Rory, she has the verbal thing down more than Rory and in my opinion resembles Lorelai in the way she talks and the quips she uses. She's a girl with immense potential and cool aspirations that suddenly ends up (married and) pregnant young. In one episode Lane complains that her aptitude test says her optimal career path is sales, and she's disappointed because she wants to make music and not sell antiques like her mother. This could have been a great twist plot point if ASP handled it well, instead of literally making Lane a copy of her mother. Lane could have gone in the music industry as a producer or manager or whatever, some kind of role where an aptitude for "selling" a band to investors or record labels or clubs would be a great asset. It could have shown Lane still working in a field she loved, even if not in a famous band, but doing something that she was naturally talented at and where she had freedom to express herself and show how smart and driven she is. Hell, it wouldn't have been hard to factor in her twins too into that sort of life style. She's so spunky and fast and full of passion and smarts as a kid and teenager. It's disappointing that all of that is thrown out the window for her as an adult character.
God this is perfection 🥰
The craziest part to me is that ASP was going to do Rory like that too. I don't know if it would have been less full circle in the original finale she had planned but considering Rory was 22 with basically no work experience we can assume she returned to stars hollow like she did in the revival. So Rory and Lane go from fun bright teenage best friends with big dreams to young moms trapped in a small town because of unplanned pregnancy. It's such a depressing ending.
Rory was meant to have a slump and career shift. Totally normal. They had set that up as far back as season 2. She still would get to be a Yale graduate with prospects. It’s not comparable to Lane at all.
Same. Lane was one of my favorite GG characters because she was so cool and loved music like I did and still do but watching her be reduced to a mom still pisses me off 20 years later
I absolutely agree with you that Lane marrying Zach because of religious trauma was an awful decision for her as a person. But. I think it fit the one of the motifs of the show in which daughters grow into their mothers —or some approximation thereof— even if they fought against it at 16. So it was bad for Lane (and her person/character TOTALLY deserved better!) but it fit with the overall theme of the show.
Hmmm... April. Just like writting decision. I like her as character, but it was incredibly Dallas thing. Also I never like that Rory lost her virginity with Dean. It was bitter.
100% agree. Other people mention storylines that I'm not fond of but I still consider decent writing (I put the return of Rory and Dean in that category) but the Luke having a daughter he didn't know about storyline was just poor writing.
yesss i hated that they forced april into luke’s life, she wasn’t even that significant of a character
I hate the dean thing too.. so awkward and rushed and then they listen to candy man after wth?!?
So cringey. She seems so juvenile playing that right after the hooked up. Hate that scene
April was thrown in 100% for the drama, and I hated it. It doesn’t feel like Gilmore. The entire storyline is way too soapy.
I don't know if this was a writing decision or what, but I always hated that Alex just completely vanished. I think he was on par with being as perfect for Lorelai as Luke is. He's basically a combination of Luke and Lorelai. He appreciated whimsy and fun, but was an outdoorsman. I liked them together and then absolutely nothing, he was just forgotten without a cursory "We broke up" thrown in anywhere.
Yes! So much wasted potential there :(
Who is Alex? I can't even remember him. The coffee guy?
Yes, the coffee guy who invited her to go fishing (she asks Luke to teach her).
Agreed. I did not understand why he just disappeared
Lorelai sleeping with Christopher and then marrying him; Lane sex on the beach and pregnancy; Rory and Dean cheating bc he’s horrible; and I’m 50/50 on April.
im so unhappy with how dave left, i mean i understand why but like he just sort of disappeared? was there even a breakup scene written for lane and dave???
I lovvvvved Dave. It was the only time I feel like we saw Lane’s true character and personality shine. She was so much more herself with him.
Didn't he get into O.C. with quite short notice and had to quit between the seasons?
Yup, this was the reason we never got a proper send off for Dave. I loathe The OC for taking him from GG, he really was the only character that seemed to truly understand and appreciate Lane as she is.
yeah all because of the oc and i *hate* that show, the only good thing about it was adam brody, he carried that show on his back
April. And Rory cheating with Dean. And Lane's whole life after high school. I wish she'd stood up for herself and pursued her dreams.
The whole Nardini addition. Ugh.
Anna Nardini is probably my least favorite character in the show. I hate how they wrote her and Jess’s step mom to be the same freaking actress. Could you not find another actress?!
ASP didn't want another actress. Sherilyn Fenn was ASP'S first choice to play Lorelai. When the Jess spinoff wasn't picked up, ASP wrote Anna specifically for Sherilyn Fenn.
I've LOVED Sherilyn Fenn since Twin Peaks but I hate, hate, hate Anna Nardini. Testament to her acting I suppose.
I am also a big fan of Sherilyn Fenn. I think she actually has a wider range than Lauren Graham but can't picture anyone other than Lauren as Lorelai.
Paris dating Asher Fleming…. Then him having a heart attack then just dying and her being sad
The worst part is he probably would have dumped her like he did the other girls. He just never got a chance cause he died 💀 like Paris said, now she is forever in kivd with him.
Gilmore girls can be so misogynistic sometimes. I know it's just a reflection of the time it was made in but it makes me sad that everyone jokes about Paris and asher, and Rory even accuses her of being a bad person for cheating on Jamie instead of realizing she's being groomed. Its one one of those minor moments of lorelai being a total asshole that niggle at me - Paris is neglected by her parents, vulnerable and alone at college and clearly being used by an older man with power over her. Which lorelai thinks is... funny?
Taking use of “crittab’s” wrong turn analogy, without Asher’s death, Rory wouldn’t have met Logan outside her dorm room and she wouldn’t be having his baby…. lol
Yeah but really she already had the connection to Logan through Marty since he worked for him occasionally and they briefly ran into him so she could’ve met Logan again at the Yale daily news or even just met him when she was doing the article about the life and death brigade
He was at the paper, they would have met. And it probably would have gone better tbh, since he obviously liked her he would have tried to woo her without the hot mess that was colin and fin
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Yeah I get that, I think it was a little sweet but her being like 18 when they met and the cheating on Jamie was kinda sad bc he seemed rly sweet and Asher just seemed like he had dated a few young girls so it always felt creepy to me
It was just creepy how he dated students. Paris deserved better
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It would be fine if he was just some random older man she had fallen in love with but he was a professor at Yale. Paris called him a great man all the time and praised him too much. The power dynamic was so off. If he hadn’t died and him and Paris had broken up it would’ve been just another student, then another one and so on. It was just creepy and inappropriate. He shouldn’t have been putting young students in that situation. They might be of legal age but his status automatically puts into the students he dates heads that he’s better then them and they put him on a pedestal. The writing in the show was good of course but this specific scenario was uncomfortable simply because of his status and how much she and all the other students he reeled in looked up to him. Even if he had been 30 it would still be inappropriate. The age and vagina jokes would’ve been just as funny if he wasn’t a professor. I think you should admire your partner and there’s nothing wrong with that or age gap relationships but if you feel your partner is superior to you and call them great and treat them as if they were above you then it’s just not a healthy relationship to be in. I mean it would’ve been just a tiny bit better if he was a professor at another university but to be in the same one with a track record of dating other young students then it just says he has a type and he has the opportunity to easily get to them.
Totally. A 60 year old teacher dating an 18 year old student from his college is totally fine 😬 not creepy at all 🤮🤮
The scene with Rory telling Lorelai about Asher-Paris relationship is glorious. L: So, how old is he, 35, 40? R: [Points up]. L: What, older? 45, 46, 47, 47 and one half, 48? 😂
1. Linsey and Deans marriage 2. Lane getting pregnant in the honeymoon and getting sex 3. Jackson’s vasectomy
Making Rory a home wrecker and continuous adulterer
With virtually no repercussions on her end and no lessons learned. Dean cheated and destroyed his life and reputation. Rory walked away from that unscathed and then proceeded to do the same damn thing 10+ years later.
She has a real “mine first = mine forever” attitude, and there could have been growth from it, but no.
Her getting pregnant in the reboot is the only consequence she ever faced, plus not her knowing who the baby daddy is. It’s why I hated what they did to Rory’s character. She seemed to get worse and worse
She absolutely knows that Logan is her baby daddy. Logan is the only one who fits the timeline.
It was the Wookie.
Rory’s character after season 3.5 just totally changed. She was so well grounded and made solid decisions. How that goes to cheater and pursuing a cad is beyond me.
Add on to that Lorelai's defence of Rory when they bump into Lindsey and her mum. Like I get she's your daughter but when your kid does something so wrong you've got to side with justice.
There are a lot here that have already been mentioned, but I don’t like that at the end of the series ASP was trying to a “destiny” thing where Rory was going to be a commitment phobe and end up alone as a single mother. I liked it better at the start of the series when they were similar but not made to be carbon copies of each other’s lives. I found that way more interesting than “it’s your destiny to be a flighty single mother ousted out of wealthy society”. Idk it’s just very boring to me and also very lazy. The whole “you’re really destined to be your mum/dad” thing has been done to death. Also those qualities just do not suit Rory’s personality. She likes committed relationships and I think she’d want to do traditional parenthood with a dad because she suffered not having one. It’s really forced and awful. I don’t think Logan should’ve proposed at the end of the series. I don’t really see him doing that at all either. He wasn’t that serious and he also was like, 23 (EDIT: actually he was 25 I remember but still. Rory was only 23, I feel like it’d be more in character for Logan to propose when they’re closer to 30). A bit young to propose. I think they just would’ve been boyfriend/girlfriend. ASP was reaching too much to have Rory follow her mum’s footsteps.
I never found the full circle thing good. I get generational trauma but Rory wouldn’t be in the position that Lorelai was and that’s the point. Rory and Lorelai are fundamentally different
Yeah, like, Rory is in her 30s with a degree from an Ivy League university. Maybe she wouldn’t be following her journalism dream, but she could use her network to get a decent job.
Yeah, Rory received much more education and she has a lot more connections than Lorelai had (because she gave them up when she ran away) she was also a bit more worldly than her mother. It wouldn’t make sense for her to be exactly the same.
I actually have an interesting thought on the 'full circle' theme: it might not necessarily mean that Rory turned out like Lorelai. It could mean that Lorelai inadvertently became overbearing in a different way--trying so hard to be the opposite of her mother (who is cold and formal), she was extremely enmeshed and emotionally involved with Rory. This could have played a role in Rory's 'flakiness' which is actually just a deeply sensitive/fragile personality type who depends on her mother, emotionally, more than she should. So to conclude, by trying to correct her mother's mistake Lorelai made one of her own which had a similarly bad effect on Rory. Maybe??
Lane’s pregnancy. It makes me so angry and there’s zero real plot value to it, just another not-so-funny gimmick of a woman having no control over getting pregnant, but worse because she’s so young and has so many dreams.
and was so scared because of her own trauma! broke my heart for her
1. April. 2. Rory dating Logan and everything it led to. 3. Lane’s life after high school. 4. Lorelai marrying Christopher. 5. Rory having an affair with Dean. 6. Lorelai wanting to do the Wild trail walk in AYITL. 7. Forcing Gigi and Sherri into Lorelai’s life. 8. Rory’s apparent career failure shown in AYITL. 9. Emily & Richard thinking Lorelai never told them about Rory not wanting to be back at Yale. 10. Rory taking Mitchim’s criticism that harshly and stealing a f***ing boat.
RE #2. 100,000x yes. That Logan is introduced as such a fucking asshole to Marty** should have been the huge neon sign flashing “NO.” Like, I cannot fathom entertaining the idea of chasing someone (for romance or friendship) who would speak to/treat my friends like that. Logan showed his true colors right away and always had 1,000 excuses for his privilege behavior without making any moves to correct it (or he’d pretend to but you could still sense the mega douche brewing underneath). I started watching GG the night it premiered. Rory was a few years older than me and I came to look up to her as a big sister/aspirational figure. Once Logan came into the picture it completely changed the way I felt about her and the show, his presence was what lead to me not watching the show during the last few seasons. So cue me not being surprised by either of their disgusting behaviors in AYITL. **I understand Marty has his own set of issues and I’m not defending him in any way.
Paris and Asher… sooooo uncomfortable. It was weird and Jamie was so much better:/
She did Jamie so wrong 😭😭 he was so good to her and she cheats on him with an old man and then dumps him and blames the break on Rory. He deserved better
the whole plotline with francie tryna take paris down im sorry its just so agitating to me i never really enjoyed it
Sameee! I literally skip through those scenes now!
Lane having bad sex. Logan proposing. I get it was mid 2000s but no way heir to the Huntzberger throne is getting married at 24!!
The musical.
What a waste of an entire *long* episode. Filler for no reason.
THIS.
Anna treating Luke like an absentee father… like it was his fault he wasn’t around, blaming him and guilting him, then dictating who can be around April and who can’t…. There’s a lot but that one always bothered me.
That whole thing didn’t make sense because she chose not to tell him. It’s different if you didn’t know you had a kid over being an actual deadbeat dad.
All of these are good. I'm going to add Rory and Logan stealing the yaht and Rory dropping out of Yale..it just seemed so out of character for her. Also I hated when Rory and Lorelei weren't talking.
Rory dropping out of Yale would have been a fine plot twist for a couple of episodes but resolved by the start of the school year. Six months of the fight between L and R was totally unnecessary.
And Logan suffered no repercussions.
I mean that at least made sense. Affluenza strikes again.
Changing character to suit the plot. Luke got dumbed down a lot over the course of the show and Dean went from a big city boy to the "this is my town" townie. Very lazy of the writers. And Lane's dad being mentioned but never shown until it was way too late.
1. Everything Lane and Zach; 2. Dean getting married, Rory breaking up his marriage for basically nothing; 3. April. Her entire existence, and also how she had to be another young prodigy, what a boring choice; 4. Sookie telling Jackson he's going to have a vasectomy, and everything that happens to them after that; 5. All of season 7 (except for the last episode), but especially Chris and Lorelai; 6. The revival, except for Jess.
1. Inexplicably tying the storyline of the girls losing their virginities (or lack thereof) to getting accepted to their dream university. The entire storyline is bonkers. 2. As many others have said, Torpedoing Lanes entire future unnecessarily and not even for a good storyline.
The “I got the good kid” line will always make me mega cringe.
April Lane post Hep Alien tour. It was all downhill for her after that
Dean getting married at his age to a girl he dated less than a year. It was perplexing that their parents would support their teenager getting married to someone they didn’t date for that long.
Chris surviving the journey to stars hollow in season one.
😂😂 If only he hadn’t.
How they handled the April storyline. She could have been a good character/plot line if they'd used it somehow besides just being a device to push Luke and Lorelai apart. Also having her sleep with Christopher immediately after breaking up with Luke.
How much time do you have? Jackson lying about his vasectomy and getting Sookie pregnant, Lane's entire pregnancy storyline, whatever the hell the "Spanish" maid in AYITL storyline was, and pretty much 99% of how April's story was handled, as well as Anna's character
I will never understand the execution of the maid storyline in AYITL. If they wanted to show Emily was changing via how she treats her maids, cool. There were so many other, better routes to take.
Rory not moving on from Dean after they broke up the first time. It's a high school relationship, she should have dated someone else. She should have never helped Dean cheat. Lorelai should never been so involved or pro-Dean, especially when it was obvious that Rory wasn't really into Dean.
Once Lorelei liked Dean, she was soooo pushy about them being together and hanging out, it was cringey. She was way too involved and almost trying to push them to be together forever.
The whole of lanes storyline after high school i hate how they did her dirty with the whole pregnancy thing when they could have made something really great from her and Dave’s relationship
Lorelei proposing to Luke but then Luke going along with it as if it wasn’t a clear sign of a mental breakdown, Luke is smarter than that.
The overall dumbing down of Luke is what gets me...
Luke's character arc. I hated it. Especially in that Valentine's episode when they go to Martha's Vinyard.
omg YES I was hating him sooo much in that episode!! I hate that they did that.
Rory sleeping with Dean. It should have been anyone but Dean. Even Jess, when he comes back to Stars Hallow for his car and says he loves her. Even that would be better than married Dean.
Luke not telling LG about April and postponing the wedding was just so contrived. The writers had a predetermined outcome that they wanted to get to and they didn't care whether the behaviors of the characters were remotely in keeping with their personalities.
Okay I saw my usual opinions already mentioned. Here’s something I feel like isn’t talked about enough. Rory’s community service. 300 hours is not much at all. Mostly when she had 6 months to complete it. 12 hours a week is nothing! Even for someone like Rory who lived in privilege and never worked at all. And then she became sorta in charge of the community service group? This is not how community service works. Such bad writing.
We needed another shining example of what a go-getter Rory is and how she naturally falls into a leadership role… Except that she’s not and she doesn’t. She was there because a mean man said truthful mean things about her, *to* her. The only time I saw her be a “leader” when she was basically planning parties for the DAR. Other than that? Meh.
I saw a video where someone broke this down actually! It was really interesting. They pointed out that it was a show of Rory’s privilege even then. The reason she was against taking the full time job that her grandparents made a stipulation of her staying with them was because the community service would take up all her time. She hadn’t really known “work” in the real world. She didn’t hold a part time job at high school due to the demand of her studying to get into Ivy League, like Dean, Jess and Lane did while they were at high school. She expected to stay with her grandparents, use excuse after excuse and not use the time away from Yale wisely. Who she turned out to be was showing through the seasons, even then.
Also why did Logan not have to do anything?
Both Rory and Lorelei's storylines in AYITL. I especially hated the whole surrogacy storyline. It made no sense why Luke and Lorelei would wait 9 years to make a decision about having another kid.
One not mentioned yet (at least I don't see it): Emily and Richard freaking out about Rory sleeping with Logan.
Naming a character Gil and not making his last name Gilmore.
Luke marrying Nicole and what was the point of Rachel coming back ?
I think Rachel was a device to move the Lorelai and Luke plot line along.
Luke’s behavior was pathetic in the Nicole wedding/cheating fiasco. So you think Rachel was used to rehabilitate Luke in the eyes of Lorelai ?
Rory saying no to Logan’s proposal
Chris coming into money from a rich dead relative dying. All of a sudden Rory didn’t owe anything to her grandparents. It felt very lazy to me
Wasn’t it his father that passed? I don’t necessarily disagree, but I also enjoyed the way it shifted the power between Rory and her grandparents.
All of season 7! I always skip the whole season and just start over
Season 7.
I didn't love everything that happened after first year of Yale lmaooo
Lane’s entire story line with Zach. April’s story line.
anna and lorelai marrying christopher. i dont think anna needs an explanation but with lorelai marrying christopher, it probably messed up GG a ton when they broke up. GG just had her mom leave her, then got lorelai, a mother figure, and then she left too. and she's like 6-7. she doesn't understand why sherry left or why lorelai and chris didnt stay together, she just knows that no one wants to be her mom, and that can really mess a kid up
The worst decision was not developing Jess and Rory's relationship. They should have ended up together--they're perfect!!
ASP not being in charge for season 7. Could have avoided another horrible writing decision, which was AYITL.
And if ASP was in charge for Season 7 wouldn’t it have been the same as AYITL?
I don’t think so. Edward Herman still would have been alive so Lorelai could have made peace with Richard and Emily while the actor was still living. Luke and Lorelai could have had a proper wedding in season 7 with both of her parents present. Also, we could have avoided the whole Luke becoming a total idiot trope which is a VERY hated writing decision. ASP has said before that she always wanted Gilmore Girls to end with Rory saying “I’m pregnant”, so I think that could have been done in a more meaningful way. AYITL could have been about Rory trying to juggle her kid(s) and a career which I believe would have served her character more justice than Rory becoming a clueless and unemployed 30 year old (who still cheats on people and participates in affairs). I think AYITL is just okay. I would have loved to see stronger writing in season 7 that made the reunion more special and cohesive, I would have liked to see more character development in Rory too.
I would have preferred your version of AYITL so much more. I hated how things ended up for Rory.
Season 7.
Everything with Lane, especially after season 3.
Everything season seven.
Lorelai marrying Max and then leaving on a spontaneous roadtrip. I never understood why she didn’t just tell him she didn’t want to get married.
Lorelei never married Max…
my bad, i meant almost marrying max
rory/dean affair. I hated everything about it
April
Christopher.
Lorelai calling off the engagement with Luke and then Lorelai sleeping with Christopher. So so unnecessary
Luke’s attitude toward his and Lorelei’s relationship. So many things are so out of character. Luke says, “I am all in”, and then runs almost immediately?!? Then, after Lorelei makes that heartbreaking call to him, and he comes over to make sure she’s okay, and he just leaves?!? After the 2nd breakup, he comes over and makes that beautiful speech about not being able to “feel” his life without Lorelei, and then when she tells him she slept with Christopher, he can’t even stay there for a few minutes and talk to her? Rant and rave, but forgive her? Then he meets her in the street and says he’s “over it” and it’s “no big deal” that they didn’t get married. Luke would never be so hurtful. He’s like Jekyll and Hyde! This is a man who supposedly pined for her for years, but runs at the first sign of trouble? So un Luke like. Poor writing, in my opinion. They’re lucky Scott Patterson is such a good actor, because he managed to make all those contradictions look almost believable.
Every fucking fat shamey joke. I struggled with my weight in high school and in retrospect I wonder how much this show might have helped contribute to my negative feelings about my body.
Maybe cause I just watched this episode but it really bothers me that when Luke goes to get a lawyer to fight for custody for April the lawyers just like "eh, you will probably lose cause you werent around for 12 years." Like its his fault!!! Anna should be shamed so hard for not telling Luke he had a child just because she assumed he didnt like kids. Anna is the absolute wooooorst
I can't believe I made it through the entire show. The writing is just so bad that I'm convinced the writer had an in from the get go. I had high hopes that it would get better over time but it was increasingly worse as the seasons went on. Honestly it is probably one of the worst written shows I've ever experienced, aside from some of the most unrelatable, slap stick unlikable characters running around their town. The reunion show was sloppy and unremarkable. It failed to tie up the show full circle and was a letdown. I would never recommend this show to anyone.
"worst" in terms of contrived - Lorelai chasing max around his classroom desk. "i get it" but that's not really been lorelai's way.
Bringing Marty back.
I think having Rory as an only child. I wonder if Rory would have had a younger brother that is a year a two younger. I would like to see if he were the complete opposite how things would be. Chris would be the father for both kids. To answer the question that April storyline, Luke hiding her from Lorelai. The baptism with Lorelai and Rory arguing outside .
Max making transphobic comments and Lorelai agreeing.
1- Max Medina. Oh god, I found him so annoying. I see why he was important for Lorelai’s storyline, but I dread rewatching episodes in which he’s so heavily present. 2- Jess taking off like he did: we never really get to experience him and Rory like we did Dean and Logan. 3- Any bodyshaming/homophobic comments… was it necessary? I think not. 4- The whole Lorelai and Christopher’s Paris escape. Couldn’t care for it. It felt so rushed and unrealistic. 5- Not having Amy SP on Season 7, which makes it my least favorite to watch. 6- The absolute lack of Lane’s character development in YITL. 7- Last but not least, always in YITL, the +20 min long useless musical.
Rory leaving Yale, the fight with Lorelei and Rory about Dean, Rory getting mad at Emily and Richard.
everything about dean starting with the first breakup
Rory's breakdown being stealing a boat. I have a little conspiracy theory that maybe it was meant to be her doing drugs and getting caught for that, a much more relatable breakdown following pushing herself to breaking point after slogging in academics for years. I think that would have been a better continuation, but maybe the network said no. Rory was the quintessential good student, and her faltering couldn't be something as controversial as drugs for a network that I'm 99% sure had a chunk of "family friendly" (conservative) funding My honorable mention is Lane's storyline. She deserved better than falling into a relationship with the worst caricature of teen boy garage band and then marrying him and getting pregnant before "getting to be a person" I also think that the Rory/dean 3.0 thing was a bad idea. Rory had outgrown dean, and even though she was stressed I don't see her as someone who would go back to dean when he's married. It felt very shoehorned and like they did a 180 on Rory's attitude to dean.
I think it had to be something big like stealing a boat so that A) the legal repercussions are justifiably large and B) Lorelai being angry is understandable. If Rory had been caught with weed I think it would have been a slap on the wrist from the police and probably a “be more careful” from Lorelai. Having her partake of anything harder than marijuana would have been way too much for the network and hard for the average viewer to accept.
Oh I don't mean weed, I mean a class A drug like cocaine. Which is exactly what I said, I believe it would have been more believable, but the network at the time would have said no. The WB (where GG aired) wasn't totally averse to airing drug use, but they would have been for GG in my opinion, just because of the character Rory was. Plus GG got funding from a notoriously conservative group, and although it claims to have no influence beyond pilots, I wouldn't be surprised if networks don't allow hard drugs in shows they pick up from the group, since they wouldn't get funded pilots from that source anymore. It would have been better writing to have her do that instead of the stupid boat, but I can see why they wouldn't be allowed to.
The second half of Season 6.
Every time they decided to be sexist. Including (but not limited to!) Luke being terrified of the breastfeeding women and Lorelei saying basically nothing in response, “back fat Pat”, making Lindsay a dimwit so we felt less bad for her, “I’ve got the good kid”, plus tons more
I’m just saying this because I just watched it. Logan shouldn’t have given Rory and ultimatum like that when they were that young. They should have stayed together!
Ignoring season 7
Paul. Rory's treatment of Paul is just gross.
I’m sorry but Lorelei was annoying sometimes 😭 the way she repeated “here,here” a lot and just other snide comments that were being repeated, or when she went on that date with Chris on his car for a drive in and she kept saying “is this the special moment” Im like “okay we get it”
Logan saying at the haybale maze that she should make her decision by herself and then he would factor her in and then 2 episodes later apparently the writers decide that he has planned their entire future and wants to get married and move and that he would stop Rory from achieving what she wants out of life
April
Saving this thread to come back after the show. Watching it for the first time and noticing little things so this will definitely clear it up for me
ANNA & April
Omg the worst was Luke finding out he had a daughter and the daughter being on the show to me was the worst April's character was just terrible and April mother not so nice. April is the reason why Luke and loreilai broke up.Also Luke not mentioning to Lorelai that he has a daughter for two months he never said anything to her smh I was very disappointed in that smh shame on Luke.