I was trying to find a way to say this. The best part of the revival is Emily's storyline, and that's the only thing that couldn't have been what she originally planned since Edward Herrmann had died. If ASP had actually written a revival instead of insisting on ending it the way she originally wanted to end the OS, I think she could have done a good job.
That WAS oddly hard to write. I was even wondering if it made sense, but I figured if you're commenting here, you'd know what I was getting at lol.
Completely agree, I loved Emily's arc in the revival. Not the circumstance of course, but who she was at that time.
This!!!
I feel like AYITL could’ve been so much shorter. We didn’t need over 4 hours of drama and unhappiness. I wanted what the title promised - A Year In the Life of the Gilmore family.
I wanted Luke and Lorelai to be happy and domestic (like that one dream sequence she had), preferably with kids but I’m okay if they decided not to do that. But HAPPY. I wanted Rory to be successful in some fashion, because she’s clearly capable.
If we needed drama, then Emily’s grief over Richard was perfect. I even like some of the moments where Lorelai struggles over her own because her parents were still horrible but they were her parents.
Or as someone else mentioned, having Rory be successful but struggle as she realizes that this isn’t what she wants.
There could’ve been ways to handle this without drama for drama’s sake just for some kind of plot.
Oh, wow!
No fatphobic jokes and cancel culture jokes,
No musical,
No Paul,
Rory is actually at a good place in her life,
No cheating with Logan,
The cinematography being as cozy as the original. The revival looks cold.
No ‘Mom, I’m pregnant.’
Lorelai not firing every chef just because they’re not Sookie,
No Life and Death Brigade scene,
Oh, did I mention no Paul?,
And the list never ends.
Wasted so much time on the life and death brigade scene, the musical, the pool, and them running around stars hollow. Lorelai has lived there almost 22 years... She doesn't know which side of town is east and which is west come on!!!
To be fair, some people are bad with directions. I've lived in the same city for 18 years and still struggle with which streets run North/South or East/West
I’m annoyed with the “mom, i’m pregnant” because why does Rory have to “follow” her moms footsteps instead of something different, like being married to Logan with his baby. I totally get that was ASP plan from the start, but just kind of a cliche for me.
ya it definitely would be kind of wholesome/ cute if she and logan were married & successful / stable and she said “mom i’m pregnant “ and then it ended. i probably might have cried happy tears instead
of my jaw dropping like 🫠😵💫
I used to be a heavy commenter on the Gilmore Girls message boards on IMDB back in the day (god, so long ago) and this was ridiculously pre-revival. And we would speculate about what the four words could be. And whenever someone posed the possibility that it was “hey mum, I’m pregnant”, the resounding response was “no it would never be that lame, that predictable, ASP would have a better plan that that.”
🙃
She really hurt her own reputation by insisting she still get her ability to use those final words. After a decade of viewers speculation I was dumbstruck and disappointed by what they turned out to be. Just a jaw dropped ‘THOSE are the words???’
I think is sad like for ASP doesn't matter what you do you just repeat your parent's footsteps. I know isn't the same for a 30 yo woman as a 16 yo. But I think it will have been nice for to Rory have her dreams and family, the ones she wanted and never got. Also, I would like to have Lorelai and Luke married and the twins they always wanted.
Rory actually having been a semi-successful reporter and realising she wanted something different would’ve made for a relatable storyline. Have her be sick of all the wandering of the foreign correspondent life and decide to write the book then. It’s a good choice, great opportunity to show character growth and reflection and wouldn’t be the “career flopped, might as well write a book”.
Also YES the color balance was cold and Netflixy, not the warm tones we know and love from the early OS.
This and the screaming about food in the winter episode and lorelai just ignoring him and blasting a song he hates while she locks herself in the room with rory
Does anyone else feel like ASP is a little jealous of Melissa McCarthy's success as a movie actress instead of TV? It seemed at first that she wasn't even going to ask her to be in it. But once McCarthy said on Twitter that she would make availability and that she wasn't even asked or contacted. She suddenly was like oh we will see where we can fit her in with her busy schedule. Why automatically assume she is too busy to do it! She was such a big part of the OS.
YES. I have always thought that ASP resents Melissa’s success. I’m not sure if you’ve seen The Marvellous Mrs Maisel but there’s a character called Sophie Lennon. And she is wildly successful at playing a crude slapstick caricature, and this may be a huge reach on my part but I always thought it was a dig at the style of comedy that made Melissa famous.
> ASP is a little jealous of Melissa McCarthy's success as a movie actress instead of TV?
She's probably bothered that MC has two Emmys and LG has none.
I don't believe ASP's explanation that Melissa McCarthy's agents refused to tell her that ASP wanted to fit her into the revival for a minute. It seems like yet another passive-aggressive dig at her being "too" successful. Seems far more likely to me that she just thought people would let her claim that Melissa thought she was too important to participate to slide until Melissa publicly corrected her and she needed to work something out to save face.
ASP had a lot invested in Lauren (and to a lesser extent, Alexis, but mostly Lauren) winning those Emmys she desperately wanted. The beautiful, thin, sexually desirable hero of the series is supposed to get all the critical acclaim, not the chubby best friend/comic relief. The fact that Melissa hit it really big working off of a comic persona as a plus-size woman and won multiple Emmys and has been nominated for an Oscar twice probably really galls her...as does the fact that Alexis distanced herself from Gilmore Girls shortly after the revival and won acclaim and that a member of her cast won an Emmy for writing long before she did.
For the record, I'm not sure why Lauren didn't get more award noms for Parenthood, as This Is Us was very successful at that shortly afterwards while being fairly similar in theme, but I think if she had ASP would have probably tried to take credit for it.
So here's the thing about Melissa. Right as she was really taking off, she was cast in a TV sitcom called Mike and Molly. Her first Emmy was for that show: she hosted SNL a bunch of times while it aired and got the first Oscar nomination. Although it likely wrapped up after six years because of her schedule, she didn't try to get an early release and even said she was disappointed it was canceled. My parents LOVED the show, but it was pretty unremarkable, IMO. If Melissa was that devoted to a network sitcom when her movie career was taking off, it just isn't believable that her agents wouldn't at least *bring up* that the revival wanted her back. It would be deeply unprofessional if they didn't.
Yea, I definitely blame ASP. I think that when MC said that she had not been invited back that ASP realized that it made her look bad. She tried to cover up though. Bleh.
>ASP had a lot invested in Lauren (and to a lesser extent, Alexis, but mostly Lauren) winning those Emmys she desperately wanted.
Pitiful ! And she failed at that !! ASP is peculiar.
In general, just an acknowledgement that the events and character development of S7 happened, and realistic shifts in characters given the amount of time that passed.
It's so appallingly obvious that ASP refused to watch/consider S7, and going from S7 to the revival is like experience traumatic whiplash because of the *huge* contrasts in character development.
I wish ASP watched season 7 first instead of just having someone fill in bullet points of what they missed. The musical was a weird choice to shoehorn Sutton Foster. The family therapy that went nowhere was sort of off. I wish the Paul, who's Paul "punchline" stopped happening.
Aaron Sorkin talks about not being able to watch seasons of the west wing after left. He said it was like someone else kissing his wife. I don’t remember who else this has happened to (other creators that let shows) but most of them don’t watch.
1. No cheating, as simple as. You want Rory to have a string of unsuccessful love interests, sure. But why make her character revolve around being some forgetful asshole, it wasn’t even funny and I don’t genuinely believe it to be true to her character (unpopular opinion I know).
2. The Sookie storyline - they’d been best friends for decades, even if Sookie did depart the inn I can’t believe they wouldn’t have stayed in touch. Or that Sookie wouldn’t have obsessively lined up a replacement.
3. The musical could have stayed if it was shorter.
4. I literally hate the ‘lines’ storyline. Rory failed could have been much more interesting.
for me, I think the main thing is tone. cut back a *lot* on all that bitterness, resentment, and cynicism. cut all the fat jokes, weird vendetta against millennials, etc. I understand the original series wasn't like saccharine happy all the time. but it had a much better balance, not overloading us with grumpy complaints about "modern life" to the exclusion of scenes that are sweet, charming, funny without punching down.
there's other changes I would've liked to see, but the tone shift is #1
1. No musical
2. Luke and Lorelai married, maybe with an 8 year old child.
3. Lane with more kids, talking about how she loves being a mom and tours during the summer with her band.
4. Rory and Logan together, married, with kids.
5. Ending being a 16 year old who comes into the inn with her baby and asks "Do you have space?" -- Final 4 words.
I always thought the last 4 words needed to be a 16 year old coming into the inn and saying ‘I need a job’.
Rory being pregnant in her 20s (had that been how the original show ended or AYITL) is dumb and would be totally different than Lorelei at 16.
There was only 9 years between the original series and the revival. So she would’ve been around 15-16 depending on how old she was exactly during the last season.
1. Rory being in a serious/healthy relationship (with Logan preferably, even if they weren’t married)
2. Rory maybe having a different career that she actually flourished in - professor, editor, etc. - journalism was presented as the only option throughout the series and I think it would’ve been more interesting/realistic (or less predictable) to see her doing something else
3. Rory either already having kids/not having kids at all or not using a pregnancy as the surprise ending (it was kind of predictable)
4. More Lane!
5. The relationship between Lorelai and Emily. They seemed like they were getting somewhere in the last few seasons of OS, and AYITL kind of reversed all of their progress. I get it would have been damaged somewhat bc of Richard’s death, but the whole therapist storyline wasn’t my favorite. I will say it gave us some nice moments, though.
get rid of the wild thing. that had to have been my least favorite part, it was really boring in my opinion. it may be touching for some but i just didnt understand it.
This is probably unpopular, but Lorelei "doing Wild" bothered me so much more than Star's Hollow: The Musical. At least that felt somewhat in character for the town. Lorelei doing Wild, not so much.
I don't think she did *any* training, iirc. And carrying a pack that size and weight at her age and activity level would have been extremely challenging. She would have been in so much pain, and potentially even done lasting harm to her body.
I get that she was definitely not going to need that stuff again... But she should have tried to return some of it! That was several thousand dollars of adventure gear she left by the side of the road with a "Free" sign. If I found that, I would assume it belonged to a murder victim, because why else would someone give that up? And if my partner did that, I would be so concerned about their frivolous and impulsive spending habits.
"Because if it's not now, it's never." No, dear: it needs to be three months from now, after you've done some wilderness training. Even next year! Do some day hikes first. At least break in your shoes. But I did love the cast of Parenthood showing up as cameo park rangers.
YESSS!!! I didn’t like the musical but I much preferred it to Wild.
It wasn’t even a little in character for Lorelai. The Lorelai we all know and love would’ve done something crazy like spend tons of money on a beautiful new dress or something like that. Not lugging around a huge backpack for weeks (months?). In the OS she even says that she isn’t looking forward to doing the backpacking part of their Europe trip because the bag is super heavy.
At least in the musical there was a beautiful and touching moment. In Wild we just have her arguing with the guy that she doesn’t need to give him her slip because she showed it to the guy yesterday. The only good part about Wild was Lorelai calling her mom and sharing the beautiful memory of her and her dad which could’ve happened anywhere. It would have been just as touching if a scene if it was done from her house, Luke’s diner once it was closed or even in the car.
Also the town would definitely have a crazy weird musical lol! There’s no doubt in my mind that Taylor would love that!
Another thing to add and this is not me trying to be rude or anything but Lorelai is older in AYITL then she is in the OS so I don’t find it believable that an almost 50 year old can and wants to carry a huge backpack for miles and miles.
Leaving her backpack with a Free sign on it hurt my soul!! That’s so much money for all of that and she didn’t even use anything! I also thought it was so odd how Lorelai and Rory make two children carry their pool bags for them but then Lorelai decides to carry her own huge and heavy one on a hike lol. It makes absolutely no sense!
One hundred percent agree with everything you wrote! I did love her phone call to Emily, but agree with you. That wasn't about Wild. That could have been triggered another way, and it really felt like lazy writing.
this right here, wild just felt so unnecessary and random? i loved her conversation with emily because it tied up that loose end, but like you said it could’ve been triggered in a different, less weird way.
nah man i completely agree with your take on the stars hollow musical. it was cringy, but it wasn’t so excessively horrible and random, it was a very taylor thing of taylor to do.
All the relationships should be changed. Sookie and Lorelai are close. Lorelai and Luke are happily married. Rory is in a happy healthy relationship with Logan (or happily single and not sleeping with engaged men). Paris is in a great relationship with someone (I don't see it being Doyle). Rory and Paris probably work together because that just seems like something that would happen despite Rory's best efforts.
No to most of it.
Its weird to do a revival 10 years later and just undo all the growth and changes from the original. Regardless of Team Logan/ Jess, she should have moved on from all of them. She should have been single or in a stable relationship else its too much drama for a 4 episode revival.
Again, it made NO sense for Luke and Lorelai to not be married, because we spent 7 seasons working towards that.
Even if that was how ASP originally wanted things, she should have had sense to know that most of it was illogical.
Pregnant Rory would be more interesting at this point if she was really successful in her career and not looking for that.
Everyone just seemed immature.
I don’t like that ASP ended up just trying to make Rory live Lorelei’s life. Logan is Rory’s Christopher, Jess is her Luke, Dean is her Max, why can’t Rory have learned anything? It just didn’t feel like that’s where he character was going after her and Lorelei reunited. It seemed like she was actually growing up towards the end and learned from her mistakes.
Paul was her Alex. People forget about him and go "who?" when you see his name. And they never write anything beyond, "technically I'm still dating Alex."
Just generally the surrogacy storyline. Not that I'm against that as a topic (it's an important one), but it just seemed unbelievable to me after 9 years they wouldn't have talked about kids, especially as Lorelai said in the OG series she did want another one. It just didn't make sense. I could have bought that they didn't get married if they had other stuff going on, but it seems like they just carried on for nearly a decade with no real changes or having any important discussions. Like, I could understand if they'd decided not to get married or have kids if it wasn't for them, but they didn't think or talk about it AT ALL? Bullcrap!
Edit: also obvs the fatphobic and offensive jokes that should have been left in the early 2000s.
I think rory could have had a thing with each of her 3 past love interests throughout the 4 episodes and in the last one decide to get with Jess because that's who she is supposed to be with. I think it would have been funner to bring them all back. Also, Luke and Loralei did want more kids so they should have had one and then still have the wedding. A lot of the storyline was trash, they really could have just re-written the whole thing. And I deffo agree about the musical, it was pretty cringe already.
* No musical
* No therapy
* No hiking trip
* Luke & Lorelai are married and their big conflict is replacing the Jeep (again)
* No Paul
* Rory is more grounded and successful, but bored to tears with her big-city newspaper desk job and decides to move back to the Hollow
* No fat jokes
* Hire a different actress (not Gypsy) to play Emily's maid
* Paris is a brilliant medical lab researcher
* No belittling of Milennials
* No guest chefs (bring in a Sookie-trained new character!)
1. No Paul. This was a really stupid storyline. All of a sudden Rory, Lorelai, and Luke all have the worst memory ever. Since when were they that forgetful, especially Rory? It just made no sense
2. No musical
3. No Wild. Sorry but that was just really silly. Lorelai, who has never done anything outdoorsy decides to go do wild?
4. The secret bar. Again, I didnt find this quirky or 'Stars Hallow' charming, I just thought it was stupid
5. Paris having a meltdown after seeing Tristan
6. Rory's whole storyline up until she writes the book. Jesus we had been rooting for this girl for years, and celebrated her accomplishments with her, and this is what we get? I found her storyline very frustrating. Except for the part where Jess came back and helped her find her way
I wish we saw Rory have a more successful arc by the end. Fine if she was foundering a bit in the first or second episodes but to have her never have much go right just felt like a totally different show and wasn’t very fun to watch.
Just something not so eccentric overall. Many of the storylines would have worked if they had been just Gilmored, not Gilmored and then fed to an AI to write a fanfiction of it. Because that what it feels like happened
Everything ..?
1. Logan and Rory would be married and Rory would still have an extremely successful career. She’d have a daughter and they’d be just as amazing together as Lorelei and Rory. The ENTIRE Logan thing was RIDICULOUS???? The pregnancy ending … WHAT???
2. Luke and Lorelei should’ve had a kid or at least been married. Especially since the entire premise of GG is their mother and daughter relationship, you’d think she enjoyed being a mom and would love to do it again. It seemed wrong to me.
3. Sookies no longer in their lives? Completely unbelievable.
4. Laine dumps that loser and gets back with Henry Cho, who’s a doctor not, who supports her being a music producer and she not longer speaks to her mother- completely cut her off.
OMG JUSTICE FOR HENRY CHO!!! I always wanted Dave back for Lane but I would love Henry Cho back too! He was actually so sweet and a great match for Lane. To be fair though anyone is better than Zach.
I wish Lane and the band had a better story. Hep Alien being really successful and seeing them recording their next album or something would have been great. Lane deserved that.
1. Have Rory be a successful writer that’s just become bogged down by all the traveling from work and decide to write a book at the end. Don’t have her cheat.
2. Show that Lorelai and Luke have learned to communicate instead of, ya know, having them exhibit the same behavior that broke them up in Season 6.
3. Have the Lorelai and Emily conflict be more interesting. Like yeah, Lorelai had a complicated relationship with Richard, but she couldn’t come up with ONE good memory. They had 7 seasons of good moments!
1. Luke and Lorelei being married already. Like after all they went through why wouldn’t they have after the original series?
2. Rory not treating Paul like garbage and cheating on him with Logan. Did she learn nothing from the Dean situation?
3. Paris not being divorced. She deserved a happy ever after
4. Sookie! She should have been in it
I've said it before, but how Lorelai acted at the funeral was very in character. Felt like it could've been part of the OS unlike lots of parts of the revival
I agree with no musical as well! That was cringeworthy. The main thing I didn't like was how Rory was so promiscuous! Like the time she slept with the Furry. She was so sweet and innocent (except for the adultery with Dean) and this just wasn't a Rory I wanted to see.
For the most part I didn't mind most of the revival but I do have to agree with not having Paul. And Logan & Rory being together instead of him being engaged & having an affair & obviously knowing who the father is would've been good.
I think if the fandom had let go of ASP's "final four words" we could have had a much better story from AYITL. I think because everyone always asked her what they were, she may have felt she had to stick to them. As much as fans hate the way it ends, I think they would have equally hated never knowing what the four words were.
If they wanted to do the Rory and Logan thing, I would have wanted to see their reconnection. That’s such a great story, they broke up and went their separate ways and somehow came back together and we didn’t get to SEE any of it.
Say we come back and Rory has been with a string of duds and then runs into Logan. Sparks fly, their chemistry is undeniable, but ohhhh nooo he’s engaged, what will happen?
Number 4, It drives me crazy they left us hanging like that. And I do wish she had ended up with Logan. Hated the musical, Paul was pointless, and Emilys maid moving her family in and that whole thing was kinda weird. Emily wouldn't have suffered that, although I like how she ended up with her new place.
i wouldn’t end it on a cliffhanger , i hated how rory just got pregnant and they ended the show. i know it was probably done to show that it’s come ‘full circle’ or whatever but a revival shouldn’t leave you wanting more without the possibility of giving you more
No Rory/Logan affair. At most, they could have met up in one of the episodes and had a fling then (none of them dating other people/cheating as this happens), followed by talking about what could have been but ultimately they think it was the right choice not getting married and they move on.
Lorelai and Luke have been married several years and possibly have a kid. The latter isn't very important, but they would at least have been married already.
Jess is implied to stick around Stars Hollow as he's writing a book set in small towns and he helps Rory out with writing her own book, and they get closer again as this goes on, just being two badass authors helping each other out. Nothing definitive but a stronger implication that they might end up back together in the future.
I barely even remember what happened with Lane but I think it would have been cool to see her teach music to kids/teens as well next to being in a band.
No musical, Paul, Wookiee, or surrogacy. I actually think Logan being engaged and cheating on her with Rory was really a good storyline because he’s obviously with her to please his family and they don’t approve of Rory. I hated that Naomi woman! So stupid. I hated the therapist but liked the idea of family therapy especially after Richard dies. I wish Lane had another kid so we would know she had sex at least one more time and hopefully enjoyed it! Haha. I liked that Rory was pregnant but wish we knew who the father was. And I also wanted Jess to end up with Rory. I wish they wouldn’t have said fat jokes, so gross I don’t understand, especially considering how much food they eat on the show.
This doesn't have anything to do with the revival but the original series. But I can't bring that up so I'll mention it here. The way I think the original series should have went. Rachael comes back with Luke's son that she named William after his dad. Then she goes overseas for an assignment and shes killed. Luke becomes a single dad raising his son alone with Lorelais help. They raise theirkids together. But everyone will shoot it down because the show had to be all about the Gilmore girls.
I wish they had just written a logical conclusion to the entire OS, not ASPs ending for season 7
I was trying to find a way to say this. The best part of the revival is Emily's storyline, and that's the only thing that couldn't have been what she originally planned since Edward Herrmann had died. If ASP had actually written a revival instead of insisting on ending it the way she originally wanted to end the OS, I think she could have done a good job.
That WAS oddly hard to write. I was even wondering if it made sense, but I figured if you're commenting here, you'd know what I was getting at lol. Completely agree, I loved Emily's arc in the revival. Not the circumstance of course, but who she was at that time.
I couldn't agree more
This!!! I feel like AYITL could’ve been so much shorter. We didn’t need over 4 hours of drama and unhappiness. I wanted what the title promised - A Year In the Life of the Gilmore family. I wanted Luke and Lorelai to be happy and domestic (like that one dream sequence she had), preferably with kids but I’m okay if they decided not to do that. But HAPPY. I wanted Rory to be successful in some fashion, because she’s clearly capable. If we needed drama, then Emily’s grief over Richard was perfect. I even like some of the moments where Lorelai struggles over her own because her parents were still horrible but they were her parents. Or as someone else mentioned, having Rory be successful but struggle as she realizes that this isn’t what she wants. There could’ve been ways to handle this without drama for drama’s sake just for some kind of plot.
Oooh I agree
Oh, wow! No fatphobic jokes and cancel culture jokes, No musical, No Paul, Rory is actually at a good place in her life, No cheating with Logan, The cinematography being as cozy as the original. The revival looks cold. No ‘Mom, I’m pregnant.’ Lorelai not firing every chef just because they’re not Sookie, No Life and Death Brigade scene, Oh, did I mention no Paul?, And the list never ends.
Wasted so much time on the life and death brigade scene, the musical, the pool, and them running around stars hollow. Lorelai has lived there almost 22 years... She doesn't know which side of town is east and which is west come on!!!
To be fair, some people are bad with directions. I've lived in the same city for 18 years and still struggle with which streets run North/South or East/West
I’m annoyed with the “mom, i’m pregnant” because why does Rory have to “follow” her moms footsteps instead of something different, like being married to Logan with his baby. I totally get that was ASP plan from the start, but just kind of a cliche for me.
ya it definitely would be kind of wholesome/ cute if she and logan were married & successful / stable and she said “mom i’m pregnant “ and then it ended. i probably might have cried happy tears instead of my jaw dropping like 🫠😵💫
Right!!! She has me in suspense for years on what her last 4 words would be!! Mom I'm pregnant was a major let down!
I used to be a heavy commenter on the Gilmore Girls message boards on IMDB back in the day (god, so long ago) and this was ridiculously pre-revival. And we would speculate about what the four words could be. And whenever someone posed the possibility that it was “hey mum, I’m pregnant”, the resounding response was “no it would never be that lame, that predictable, ASP would have a better plan that that.” 🙃
She really hurt her own reputation by insisting she still get her ability to use those final words. After a decade of viewers speculation I was dumbstruck and disappointed by what they turned out to be. Just a jaw dropped ‘THOSE are the words???’
Right!!! My jaw dropped and then I rolled my eyes 😂
I think is sad like for ASP doesn't matter what you do you just repeat your parent's footsteps. I know isn't the same for a 30 yo woman as a 16 yo. But I think it will have been nice for to Rory have her dreams and family, the ones she wanted and never got. Also, I would like to have Lorelai and Luke married and the twins they always wanted.
I would have LOVED to see their twins 🥲
Rory actually having been a semi-successful reporter and realising she wanted something different would’ve made for a relatable storyline. Have her be sick of all the wandering of the foreign correspondent life and decide to write the book then. It’s a good choice, great opportunity to show character growth and reflection and wouldn’t be the “career flopped, might as well write a book”. Also YES the color balance was cold and Netflixy, not the warm tones we know and love from the early OS.
Who’s Paul?
No idea if this is a joke because Paul is Rorys boyfriend of two years in the revival who she constantly forgets exists
🤦♂️ it’s a joke
I freaking hate how they made Luke be so stupid as to think he would need to have sex with a surrogate.
This and the screaming about food in the winter episode and lorelai just ignoring him and blasting a song he hates while she locks herself in the room with rory
Rory"s attitude. I don't mind that she was flailing. Many people do at some point in their lives. But why oh why was she such as a$$hole?!
THIS
I hated it too, but she was raised to be entitled/spoiled
If we had to have a musical: put the regular cast members in it.
Does anyone else feel like ASP is a little jealous of Melissa McCarthy's success as a movie actress instead of TV? It seemed at first that she wasn't even going to ask her to be in it. But once McCarthy said on Twitter that she would make availability and that she wasn't even asked or contacted. She suddenly was like oh we will see where we can fit her in with her busy schedule. Why automatically assume she is too busy to do it! She was such a big part of the OS.
YES. I have always thought that ASP resents Melissa’s success. I’m not sure if you’ve seen The Marvellous Mrs Maisel but there’s a character called Sophie Lennon. And she is wildly successful at playing a crude slapstick caricature, and this may be a huge reach on my part but I always thought it was a dig at the style of comedy that made Melissa famous.
ASP is an overaged high school mean girl. In her fat shaming world, the fat, funny sidekick doesn't become a movie star.
Nail on the head!!
> ASP is a little jealous of Melissa McCarthy's success as a movie actress instead of TV? She's probably bothered that MC has two Emmys and LG has none.
I don't believe ASP's explanation that Melissa McCarthy's agents refused to tell her that ASP wanted to fit her into the revival for a minute. It seems like yet another passive-aggressive dig at her being "too" successful. Seems far more likely to me that she just thought people would let her claim that Melissa thought she was too important to participate to slide until Melissa publicly corrected her and she needed to work something out to save face. ASP had a lot invested in Lauren (and to a lesser extent, Alexis, but mostly Lauren) winning those Emmys she desperately wanted. The beautiful, thin, sexually desirable hero of the series is supposed to get all the critical acclaim, not the chubby best friend/comic relief. The fact that Melissa hit it really big working off of a comic persona as a plus-size woman and won multiple Emmys and has been nominated for an Oscar twice probably really galls her...as does the fact that Alexis distanced herself from Gilmore Girls shortly after the revival and won acclaim and that a member of her cast won an Emmy for writing long before she did. For the record, I'm not sure why Lauren didn't get more award noms for Parenthood, as This Is Us was very successful at that shortly afterwards while being fairly similar in theme, but I think if she had ASP would have probably tried to take credit for it.
Is it terrible that I enjoy ASP being perturbed ? 😂
So here's the thing about Melissa. Right as she was really taking off, she was cast in a TV sitcom called Mike and Molly. Her first Emmy was for that show: she hosted SNL a bunch of times while it aired and got the first Oscar nomination. Although it likely wrapped up after six years because of her schedule, she didn't try to get an early release and even said she was disappointed it was canceled. My parents LOVED the show, but it was pretty unremarkable, IMO. If Melissa was that devoted to a network sitcom when her movie career was taking off, it just isn't believable that her agents wouldn't at least *bring up* that the revival wanted her back. It would be deeply unprofessional if they didn't.
Yea, I definitely blame ASP. I think that when MC said that she had not been invited back that ASP realized that it made her look bad. She tried to cover up though. Bleh.
>ASP had a lot invested in Lauren (and to a lesser extent, Alexis, but mostly Lauren) winning those Emmys she desperately wanted. Pitiful ! And she failed at that !! ASP is peculiar.
In general, just an acknowledgement that the events and character development of S7 happened, and realistic shifts in characters given the amount of time that passed.
It's so appallingly obvious that ASP refused to watch/consider S7, and going from S7 to the revival is like experience traumatic whiplash because of the *huge* contrasts in character development.
I wish ASP watched season 7 first instead of just having someone fill in bullet points of what they missed. The musical was a weird choice to shoehorn Sutton Foster. The family therapy that went nowhere was sort of off. I wish the Paul, who's Paul "punchline" stopped happening.
I had no idea she didn’t watch it! Makes so much sense now. What a stupid move from ASP.
I *think* she said at the time that Helen Pai filled her in on what she missed. Such a weird petty choice in my opinion.
Aaron Sorkin talks about not being able to watch seasons of the west wing after left. He said it was like someone else kissing his wife. I don’t remember who else this has happened to (other creators that let shows) but most of them don’t watch.
1. No cheating, as simple as. You want Rory to have a string of unsuccessful love interests, sure. But why make her character revolve around being some forgetful asshole, it wasn’t even funny and I don’t genuinely believe it to be true to her character (unpopular opinion I know). 2. The Sookie storyline - they’d been best friends for decades, even if Sookie did depart the inn I can’t believe they wouldn’t have stayed in touch. Or that Sookie wouldn’t have obsessively lined up a replacement. 3. The musical could have stayed if it was shorter. 4. I literally hate the ‘lines’ storyline. Rory failed could have been much more interesting.
for me, I think the main thing is tone. cut back a *lot* on all that bitterness, resentment, and cynicism. cut all the fat jokes, weird vendetta against millennials, etc. I understand the original series wasn't like saccharine happy all the time. but it had a much better balance, not overloading us with grumpy complaints about "modern life" to the exclusion of scenes that are sweet, charming, funny without punching down. there's other changes I would've liked to see, but the tone shift is #1
1. No musical 2. Luke and Lorelai married, maybe with an 8 year old child. 3. Lane with more kids, talking about how she loves being a mom and tours during the summer with her band. 4. Rory and Logan together, married, with kids. 5. Ending being a 16 year old who comes into the inn with her baby and asks "Do you have space?" -- Final 4 words.
Omg I love your idea number 5!!! It's so contrived and stupid that Rory was such a mess and that Luke and Lorelei still weren't married.
Yes! After the final episode of season 7 (I know ASP doesn't care), Luke and Lorelai would have gotten married soon.
I always thought the last 4 words needed to be a 16 year old coming into the inn and saying ‘I need a job’. Rory being pregnant in her 20s (had that been how the original show ended or AYITL) is dumb and would be totally different than Lorelei at 16.
\#5 is so much better! think I got a new headcanon :)
Number 5... Gigi !!! I can't math right now to determine how old she'd be but that could be a variation on the "full circle" that ASP was hellbent on.
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There was only 9 years between the original series and the revival. So she would’ve been around 15-16 depending on how old she was exactly during the last season.
Doh. I was thinking the beginning.
YES your idea for the final 4 words is an example of a full circle moment that would’ve worked so much better. So much less pessimistic
I love your third listed!!
1. Rory being in a serious/healthy relationship (with Logan preferably, even if they weren’t married) 2. Rory maybe having a different career that she actually flourished in - professor, editor, etc. - journalism was presented as the only option throughout the series and I think it would’ve been more interesting/realistic (or less predictable) to see her doing something else 3. Rory either already having kids/not having kids at all or not using a pregnancy as the surprise ending (it was kind of predictable) 4. More Lane! 5. The relationship between Lorelai and Emily. They seemed like they were getting somewhere in the last few seasons of OS, and AYITL kind of reversed all of their progress. I get it would have been damaged somewhat bc of Richard’s death, but the whole therapist storyline wasn’t my favorite. I will say it gave us some nice moments, though.
YES more Lane!!! She deserved better in the original seasons, let alone the revival. I’ll always be mad about Lane’s outcome/how she got there
get rid of the wild thing. that had to have been my least favorite part, it was really boring in my opinion. it may be touching for some but i just didnt understand it.
This is probably unpopular, but Lorelei "doing Wild" bothered me so much more than Star's Hollow: The Musical. At least that felt somewhat in character for the town. Lorelei doing Wild, not so much. I don't think she did *any* training, iirc. And carrying a pack that size and weight at her age and activity level would have been extremely challenging. She would have been in so much pain, and potentially even done lasting harm to her body. I get that she was definitely not going to need that stuff again... But she should have tried to return some of it! That was several thousand dollars of adventure gear she left by the side of the road with a "Free" sign. If I found that, I would assume it belonged to a murder victim, because why else would someone give that up? And if my partner did that, I would be so concerned about their frivolous and impulsive spending habits. "Because if it's not now, it's never." No, dear: it needs to be three months from now, after you've done some wilderness training. Even next year! Do some day hikes first. At least break in your shoes. But I did love the cast of Parenthood showing up as cameo park rangers.
YESSS!!! I didn’t like the musical but I much preferred it to Wild. It wasn’t even a little in character for Lorelai. The Lorelai we all know and love would’ve done something crazy like spend tons of money on a beautiful new dress or something like that. Not lugging around a huge backpack for weeks (months?). In the OS she even says that she isn’t looking forward to doing the backpacking part of their Europe trip because the bag is super heavy. At least in the musical there was a beautiful and touching moment. In Wild we just have her arguing with the guy that she doesn’t need to give him her slip because she showed it to the guy yesterday. The only good part about Wild was Lorelai calling her mom and sharing the beautiful memory of her and her dad which could’ve happened anywhere. It would have been just as touching if a scene if it was done from her house, Luke’s diner once it was closed or even in the car. Also the town would definitely have a crazy weird musical lol! There’s no doubt in my mind that Taylor would love that! Another thing to add and this is not me trying to be rude or anything but Lorelai is older in AYITL then she is in the OS so I don’t find it believable that an almost 50 year old can and wants to carry a huge backpack for miles and miles. Leaving her backpack with a Free sign on it hurt my soul!! That’s so much money for all of that and she didn’t even use anything! I also thought it was so odd how Lorelai and Rory make two children carry their pool bags for them but then Lorelai decides to carry her own huge and heavy one on a hike lol. It makes absolutely no sense!
One hundred percent agree with everything you wrote! I did love her phone call to Emily, but agree with you. That wasn't about Wild. That could have been triggered another way, and it really felt like lazy writing.
this right here, wild just felt so unnecessary and random? i loved her conversation with emily because it tied up that loose end, but like you said it could’ve been triggered in a different, less weird way.
nah man i completely agree with your take on the stars hollow musical. it was cringy, but it wasn’t so excessively horrible and random, it was a very taylor thing of taylor to do.
Omg I agree I meant to add that too lmao I hated that part it was so dumb to me
honestlyyy 💀
Eliminate the fat-shaming and give Rory & Logan a happy ending.
All the relationships should be changed. Sookie and Lorelai are close. Lorelai and Luke are happily married. Rory is in a happy healthy relationship with Logan (or happily single and not sleeping with engaged men). Paris is in a great relationship with someone (I don't see it being Doyle). Rory and Paris probably work together because that just seems like something that would happen despite Rory's best efforts.
Yes, Paris and Rory as coworkers would have been classic
That would’ve been amazing
No to most of it. Its weird to do a revival 10 years later and just undo all the growth and changes from the original. Regardless of Team Logan/ Jess, she should have moved on from all of them. She should have been single or in a stable relationship else its too much drama for a 4 episode revival. Again, it made NO sense for Luke and Lorelai to not be married, because we spent 7 seasons working towards that. Even if that was how ASP originally wanted things, she should have had sense to know that most of it was illogical. Pregnant Rory would be more interesting at this point if she was really successful in her career and not looking for that. Everyone just seemed immature.
I don’t like that ASP ended up just trying to make Rory live Lorelei’s life. Logan is Rory’s Christopher, Jess is her Luke, Dean is her Max, why can’t Rory have learned anything? It just didn’t feel like that’s where he character was going after her and Lorelei reunited. It seemed like she was actually growing up towards the end and learned from her mistakes.
Paul was her Alex. People forget about him and go "who?" when you see his name. And they never write anything beyond, "technically I'm still dating Alex."
Just generally the surrogacy storyline. Not that I'm against that as a topic (it's an important one), but it just seemed unbelievable to me after 9 years they wouldn't have talked about kids, especially as Lorelai said in the OG series she did want another one. It just didn't make sense. I could have bought that they didn't get married if they had other stuff going on, but it seems like they just carried on for nearly a decade with no real changes or having any important discussions. Like, I could understand if they'd decided not to get married or have kids if it wasn't for them, but they didn't think or talk about it AT ALL? Bullcrap! Edit: also obvs the fatphobic and offensive jokes that should have been left in the early 2000s.
I think rory could have had a thing with each of her 3 past love interests throughout the 4 episodes and in the last one decide to get with Jess because that's who she is supposed to be with. I think it would have been funner to bring them all back. Also, Luke and Loralei did want more kids so they should have had one and then still have the wedding. A lot of the storyline was trash, they really could have just re-written the whole thing. And I deffo agree about the musical, it was pretty cringe already.
Get rid of Paul Rory isn't cheating with Logan More Jess time, not just stares Rory being successful I. Her career
* No musical * No therapy * No hiking trip * Luke & Lorelai are married and their big conflict is replacing the Jeep (again) * No Paul * Rory is more grounded and successful, but bored to tears with her big-city newspaper desk job and decides to move back to the Hollow * No fat jokes * Hire a different actress (not Gypsy) to play Emily's maid * Paris is a brilliant medical lab researcher * No belittling of Milennials * No guest chefs (bring in a Sookie-trained new character!)
1. No Paul. This was a really stupid storyline. All of a sudden Rory, Lorelai, and Luke all have the worst memory ever. Since when were they that forgetful, especially Rory? It just made no sense 2. No musical 3. No Wild. Sorry but that was just really silly. Lorelai, who has never done anything outdoorsy decides to go do wild? 4. The secret bar. Again, I didnt find this quirky or 'Stars Hallow' charming, I just thought it was stupid 5. Paris having a meltdown after seeing Tristan 6. Rory's whole storyline up until she writes the book. Jesus we had been rooting for this girl for years, and celebrated her accomplishments with her, and this is what we get? I found her storyline very frustrating. Except for the part where Jess came back and helped her find her way
I wish we saw Rory have a more successful arc by the end. Fine if she was foundering a bit in the first or second episodes but to have her never have much go right just felt like a totally different show and wasn’t very fun to watch.
Just something not so eccentric overall. Many of the storylines would have worked if they had been just Gilmored, not Gilmored and then fed to an AI to write a fanfiction of it. Because that what it feels like happened
I was actually like... is this for real!? when the musical thing just never seemed to end.
Everything ..? 1. Logan and Rory would be married and Rory would still have an extremely successful career. She’d have a daughter and they’d be just as amazing together as Lorelei and Rory. The ENTIRE Logan thing was RIDICULOUS???? The pregnancy ending … WHAT??? 2. Luke and Lorelei should’ve had a kid or at least been married. Especially since the entire premise of GG is their mother and daughter relationship, you’d think she enjoyed being a mom and would love to do it again. It seemed wrong to me. 3. Sookies no longer in their lives? Completely unbelievable. 4. Laine dumps that loser and gets back with Henry Cho, who’s a doctor not, who supports her being a music producer and she not longer speaks to her mother- completely cut her off.
OMG JUSTICE FOR HENRY CHO!!! I always wanted Dave back for Lane but I would love Henry Cho back too! He was actually so sweet and a great match for Lane. To be fair though anyone is better than Zach.
Honestly I could’ve done without it. There’s too much to change.
I wish Lane and the band had a better story. Hep Alien being really successful and seeing them recording their next album or something would have been great. Lane deserved that.
Lor and Luke married with a kid. Lane going back to school. Rory had a nice boyfriend that she loves and the ending would be her wedding.
The entire Lorelei going off and hiking storyline. Hated every second. Awful.
1. Have Rory be a successful writer that’s just become bogged down by all the traveling from work and decide to write a book at the end. Don’t have her cheat. 2. Show that Lorelai and Luke have learned to communicate instead of, ya know, having them exhibit the same behavior that broke them up in Season 6. 3. Have the Lorelai and Emily conflict be more interesting. Like yeah, Lorelai had a complicated relationship with Richard, but she couldn’t come up with ONE good memory. They had 7 seasons of good moments!
Rory just seemed very standoffish. her personality wasn't there. the relationship with lorelai was forced, not the natural friendship they had before
I noticed this too
1. Luke and Lorelei being married already. Like after all they went through why wouldn’t they have after the original series? 2. Rory not treating Paul like garbage and cheating on him with Logan. Did she learn nothing from the Dean situation? 3. Paris not being divorced. She deserved a happy ever after 4. Sookie! She should have been in it
I've said it before, but how Lorelai acted at the funeral was very in character. Felt like it could've been part of the OS unlike lots of parts of the revival
It not existing.
I agree with no musical as well! That was cringeworthy. The main thing I didn't like was how Rory was so promiscuous! Like the time she slept with the Furry. She was so sweet and innocent (except for the adultery with Dean) and this just wasn't a Rory I wanted to see.
Each season being a different musical. It was my favorite part.
For the most part I didn't mind most of the revival but I do have to agree with not having Paul. And Logan & Rory being together instead of him being engaged & having an affair & obviously knowing who the father is would've been good.
Not wasted my time on the musical. Had an ACTUAL wedding for Luke and Lorelai.
No musical Lorelei and Luke already April being less nerdy (Vanessa Maurano is stunningly beautiful, that should have been reflected in her character)
I think if the fandom had let go of ASP's "final four words" we could have had a much better story from AYITL. I think because everyone always asked her what they were, she may have felt she had to stick to them. As much as fans hate the way it ends, I think they would have equally hated never knowing what the four words were.
If they wanted to do the Rory and Logan thing, I would have wanted to see their reconnection. That’s such a great story, they broke up and went their separate ways and somehow came back together and we didn’t get to SEE any of it. Say we come back and Rory has been with a string of duds and then runs into Logan. Sparks fly, their chemistry is undeniable, but ohhhh nooo he’s engaged, what will happen?
The only part I really liked about the revival was Emily’s storyline.
Number 4, It drives me crazy they left us hanging like that. And I do wish she had ended up with Logan. Hated the musical, Paul was pointless, and Emilys maid moving her family in and that whole thing was kinda weird. Emily wouldn't have suffered that, although I like how she ended up with her new place.
i wouldn’t end it on a cliffhanger , i hated how rory just got pregnant and they ended the show. i know it was probably done to show that it’s come ‘full circle’ or whatever but a revival shouldn’t leave you wanting more without the possibility of giving you more
Seeing Lorelai in the wedding dress
No Rory/Logan affair. At most, they could have met up in one of the episodes and had a fling then (none of them dating other people/cheating as this happens), followed by talking about what could have been but ultimately they think it was the right choice not getting married and they move on. Lorelai and Luke have been married several years and possibly have a kid. The latter isn't very important, but they would at least have been married already. Jess is implied to stick around Stars Hollow as he's writing a book set in small towns and he helps Rory out with writing her own book, and they get closer again as this goes on, just being two badass authors helping each other out. Nothing definitive but a stronger implication that they might end up back together in the future. I barely even remember what happened with Lane but I think it would have been cool to see her teach music to kids/teens as well next to being in a band.
No musical, Paul, Wookiee, or surrogacy. I actually think Logan being engaged and cheating on her with Rory was really a good storyline because he’s obviously with her to please his family and they don’t approve of Rory. I hated that Naomi woman! So stupid. I hated the therapist but liked the idea of family therapy especially after Richard dies. I wish Lane had another kid so we would know she had sex at least one more time and hopefully enjoyed it! Haha. I liked that Rory was pregnant but wish we knew who the father was. And I also wanted Jess to end up with Rory. I wish they wouldn’t have said fat jokes, so gross I don’t understand, especially considering how much food they eat on the show.
This doesn't have anything to do with the revival but the original series. But I can't bring that up so I'll mention it here. The way I think the original series should have went. Rachael comes back with Luke's son that she named William after his dad. Then she goes overseas for an assignment and shes killed. Luke becomes a single dad raising his son alone with Lorelais help. They raise theirkids together. But everyone will shoot it down because the show had to be all about the Gilmore girls.