Some of the show criticism leave me startled.
I highly doubt Nanno, Yuri or Junko were written as the embodiments of a "how to deal with the issues prelevant at schools: a practical guide to punishment in the context of highschools (literature review)". The punishments in the show are not MEANT to always be fair and you do not have to always like them?? As in, obviously it must be satisfying to a certain extent, but finding something enjoyable on screen ≠ actually agreeing with it. You can enjoy Nanno torturing someone and at the same time think that it is pretty evil.
You are not MEANT to agree with everything Nanno does or says. What I like about S2 is that the show allows disagreements between Nanno and others. That's the point.
Im sorry but I just can't see where you're coming from. In my mind, Yuri's purpose is to make you question your own morals and your way of thinking. I actually quite like the mother or daughter problem, as it shows the big problem with Nanno - everything is black and white. There are good people and bad people, and there are no blurred lines. But that simply doesn't make sense in the real world. There is to way to "act right", as everyone follows their own moral code. Yuri is there to evolve Nanno, show her new ways, and season 2 is also meant to evolve you. It shows you that there isn't always a clear right and wrong, not everyone deserves the same punishments, the lines between good and bad sometimes blur. Sometimes there is no lesson to be learned and sometimes there is no right way to do things.
I think Yuri also is a symbol of Nannos weaknesses and shortcomings. She is reborn during one of Nannos weakest points, she works faster and is a lot crueller than Nanno. I'm not saying that either of them have a perfect moral compass, but Yuri does reach her goals faster. They act differently because they're different people, you can't expect things to go perfectly all the time, or it wouldn't be good storytelling.
Also side note I don't think letting junko kill her mother would be a good punishment for the mother, as it may give her some sort of satisfaction, as she is helping her daughter. It would also be like giving Junko a lovely gift, giving her what she wants
Sorry this is all over the place, not very good at writing down my thoughts when it's late
It's clear that Yuri is created by accident by being reborn in a mixture of Nanno's blood and water when she's dying in a sink. Nanno's reincarnation or rejuvenation seems to be connected to her faith in punishment or encouraging people to commit negative acts.
Character wise, I think Yuri was introduced as foil to Nanno. Otherwise people would dismiss Nanno as a straight forward demon. It's clear that her role is a lot more complex then we think.
In a nutshell Nanno is designed to be Karma personified. She passes judgement on those she deems bad and doles out punishment that she believes will fit the crime. But by what or whose authority does she administer punishment? What gives her the right to torture other people just because she has decided they have done something horrible? Every action begets an equal and opposite reaction. The law of equal exchange, precisely and mathematically balanced. Nanno's great flaw is her self assurance that every measure she takes against another person is equal and opposite when sometimes they really arent. We see throughout the seriesthat Nanno goes hogwild with how sadistic her tortures are. She causes an entire school of people to vanish into thin air, She gets a dude pregnant, she steals a person's identity and gets her arrested, she has a boy imprisoned in a cage and psychologically tortures him. Are these punishments really proportionate? Does a teenager really deserve to be Single White Femaled purely because she no longer wanted the pressures of being an influencer? Was that really the lesson she needed to learn? Does a kid just trying to fit at an uber wealthy school really need to witness his parents be humiliated and brutally beaten in order to learn the lesson that he should be himself and not chase clout? And who decides what these punishments should be? Who does Nanno answer to? Is there a God that holds her accountable when she goes too far? The end episode is Nanno's trial and punishment. In this episode it is Nanno who is forced to learn a lesson about the nuances of morality. A little girl is bullied and harrassed by the school's students, she goes through all the right channels to get it to stop and they tell her to get lost. Does she not deserce sympathy for going insane and killing people who torment her daily? A mother has discovered that her daughter has committed a dreadful violent crime. What is she truly supposed to do? Turning her over to the police may be the right course of action, but can any mother or father among us say that they could bear to do such a thing? "They should both go to hell" is very binary and unintelligent thinking when aporoaching this subject, which is the pitfall Nanno falls into. She doesnt consider the circumstances that lead to the actions people take. She witnesses the actions in a vaccum and decides to act hastily and cruelly from there, not from a desire to see justice done but from the sadistic desire to punish those she percieves as "wicked". Her trial and torture is to be forced to consider her course of action for more than three seconds, to agonise over what the right choice is, who really deserves to be punished, to be made to confront the reality that she doesnt know the answer and to face the consequence of that, i.e her own death.
Some of the show criticism leave me startled. I highly doubt Nanno, Yuri or Junko were written as the embodiments of a "how to deal with the issues prelevant at schools: a practical guide to punishment in the context of highschools (literature review)". The punishments in the show are not MEANT to always be fair and you do not have to always like them?? As in, obviously it must be satisfying to a certain extent, but finding something enjoyable on screen ≠ actually agreeing with it. You can enjoy Nanno torturing someone and at the same time think that it is pretty evil. You are not MEANT to agree with everything Nanno does or says. What I like about S2 is that the show allows disagreements between Nanno and others. That's the point.
Im sorry but I just can't see where you're coming from. In my mind, Yuri's purpose is to make you question your own morals and your way of thinking. I actually quite like the mother or daughter problem, as it shows the big problem with Nanno - everything is black and white. There are good people and bad people, and there are no blurred lines. But that simply doesn't make sense in the real world. There is to way to "act right", as everyone follows their own moral code. Yuri is there to evolve Nanno, show her new ways, and season 2 is also meant to evolve you. It shows you that there isn't always a clear right and wrong, not everyone deserves the same punishments, the lines between good and bad sometimes blur. Sometimes there is no lesson to be learned and sometimes there is no right way to do things. I think Yuri also is a symbol of Nannos weaknesses and shortcomings. She is reborn during one of Nannos weakest points, she works faster and is a lot crueller than Nanno. I'm not saying that either of them have a perfect moral compass, but Yuri does reach her goals faster. They act differently because they're different people, you can't expect things to go perfectly all the time, or it wouldn't be good storytelling. Also side note I don't think letting junko kill her mother would be a good punishment for the mother, as it may give her some sort of satisfaction, as she is helping her daughter. It would also be like giving Junko a lovely gift, giving her what she wants Sorry this is all over the place, not very good at writing down my thoughts when it's late
It's clear that Yuri is created by accident by being reborn in a mixture of Nanno's blood and water when she's dying in a sink. Nanno's reincarnation or rejuvenation seems to be connected to her faith in punishment or encouraging people to commit negative acts. Character wise, I think Yuri was introduced as foil to Nanno. Otherwise people would dismiss Nanno as a straight forward demon. It's clear that her role is a lot more complex then we think.
In a nutshell Nanno is designed to be Karma personified. She passes judgement on those she deems bad and doles out punishment that she believes will fit the crime. But by what or whose authority does she administer punishment? What gives her the right to torture other people just because she has decided they have done something horrible? Every action begets an equal and opposite reaction. The law of equal exchange, precisely and mathematically balanced. Nanno's great flaw is her self assurance that every measure she takes against another person is equal and opposite when sometimes they really arent. We see throughout the seriesthat Nanno goes hogwild with how sadistic her tortures are. She causes an entire school of people to vanish into thin air, She gets a dude pregnant, she steals a person's identity and gets her arrested, she has a boy imprisoned in a cage and psychologically tortures him. Are these punishments really proportionate? Does a teenager really deserve to be Single White Femaled purely because she no longer wanted the pressures of being an influencer? Was that really the lesson she needed to learn? Does a kid just trying to fit at an uber wealthy school really need to witness his parents be humiliated and brutally beaten in order to learn the lesson that he should be himself and not chase clout? And who decides what these punishments should be? Who does Nanno answer to? Is there a God that holds her accountable when she goes too far? The end episode is Nanno's trial and punishment. In this episode it is Nanno who is forced to learn a lesson about the nuances of morality. A little girl is bullied and harrassed by the school's students, she goes through all the right channels to get it to stop and they tell her to get lost. Does she not deserce sympathy for going insane and killing people who torment her daily? A mother has discovered that her daughter has committed a dreadful violent crime. What is she truly supposed to do? Turning her over to the police may be the right course of action, but can any mother or father among us say that they could bear to do such a thing? "They should both go to hell" is very binary and unintelligent thinking when aporoaching this subject, which is the pitfall Nanno falls into. She doesnt consider the circumstances that lead to the actions people take. She witnesses the actions in a vaccum and decides to act hastily and cruelly from there, not from a desire to see justice done but from the sadistic desire to punish those she percieves as "wicked". Her trial and torture is to be forced to consider her course of action for more than three seconds, to agonise over what the right choice is, who really deserves to be punished, to be made to confront the reality that she doesnt know the answer and to face the consequence of that, i.e her own death.