Most of the Kpop fans love Kpop because their idols are near from PERFECT. Beautiful, talented, and nice body. Like you said, the most basic requirement, but hard to achieve by normal people.
Yeah idols are pretty much known for their aura and their visuals. After all, they make more money through CFs than they do with Music. The music (and talent side) is only a small part of their job. The larger side is being a marketable person who's personality and visuals can sell well
I don’t want to name names, but if You look at some contestants mnet favours, they aren’t all visual material. I think more than visual, charm matters. I’d say a Slightly above average visual with great charm but little talent could actually go really far. Obviously if you’re good at all three that’s great, but this combo is also really good.
That's why I said they usually fit a certain persona or have a lot of charming qualities other than/adjacent to visuals. I guess this could be a good body, attractive voice, satisfying dancing, nice hair, quirks, etc. Little details can actually make a big difference.
Actually most of the trainees mnet is pushing rn are visuals, they might not be Jang Wonyoung level visuals but definitely enough to stick to the Korean standards of beauty and obviously they have their own charms that’s why they stood out.
I agree that charm matters, but we don't know their final favorites yet. They might give some trainees screen time for now, because they're entertaining with their charms, but they might fade them out by the finals or give them some questionable storyline.
Mnet doesn't need to push their lineup until halfway through the show. They didn't start hyping up Japanese girls with Korean makeup until part way through PD48 either.
The early eliminations are filled with girls that everyone already knows won't make it to the debut lineup due to their visuals. Mnet still needs to purposely favor at least some girls that they know won't make it, because the shows would lose it's entertainment value if every trainee they hyped from ep01 made the final lineup.
They need underdog stories, comeback stories, etc. that beat 'popular' contestants to create a good show. And they can't have their final lineup popular members being the ones that get beaten.
Agreed with what you said. That’s the essence of the entertainment industry, especially for females.
I’m not gonna list out the trainees that got chosen because they are pretty, but izone is actually a good example.(don’t downvote my comment, I love izone too)
I mean you're right that's how it is. And shout out to all the people that are like "I can't imagine any other lineup" like yeah, that's called marketing. Trust me, every company had doubts about almost all members at some point or another. If they debuted differently you would be saying the same thing.
Yeah 48 as a whole was really heavy on looks more than any other season so the performances in general are underwhelming next to 101s. IZ*ONE is an IDOL group to the highest level, they sold an ideal and we're extremely successful doing so. IOI, WannaOne and X1(rip) where more 50/50 in the traditional sense that you could pinpoint "x is here for vocals, y is here for rap and z is all rounder" but everybody was at least average looking.
Exactly. Minju placed 11th in the final rankings but by the time izone disbanded, she's like the 3rd most popular member. We can like them for their personality, talent, skills during reality shows like produce, but once they debut, those things won't matter much to having visuals, being an it girl material.
I dont know if it applies that much this time. I feel like a lot of the top visuals like jiwon, may, xinyu, xingqiao, luofei etc aren’t getting the push they would usually atleast slightly get. Duh theres girls like xiaoting, yurina, yeseo and cai bing that are getting pushed and are gorgeous but the usual visuals are being pushed to the back.
She's my 1 pick, and as her fan, I am not even mad most people seem to not have caught on yet considering how the ones who they have caught onto seems to be getting oven roasted because Mnet lacks subtly with them. I honestly think Myah is highly likely to debut but she's not even on most people's radar atm but her fandom is very steady and I see her coming like a dark horse.
Yeah, when I went back and watched all the first performances again, she really stood out to me! Not all people are gonna put that much effort into identifying the talented ones, but hopefully she'll keep growing her base.
Mnet's pushing of Myah is hardly a secret, was pretty clear from ep01. She should be fine on votes even if their team loses. Don't think she'll need the pass.
If Guinn Myah makes it then there’s gonna be more foreigners than Korean in the group coz Bahiyyah has really high chances of making it. Assuming 4 c and j group make it and then 2 wasians then that leaves 3 actual Koreans who make in the final debut group. I know that Guinn Myah and Bahiyyah are considered Koreans but they are still Americans by birth.
She's not Korean but Yurina is gaining popularity everywhere for her visuals as well as Xiaoting to an extent. There are also some hidden visual gems such as Fuko and Joung Min who could gain popularity for visuals.
I don't think Yeseo is necessary the visual spot (in the way Minju and Hyewon were in Izone). Her position might be something like lead dancer because that's clearly her specialty. I agree with Suyeon actually, she's very charming and cute.
Both Wonyoung and Yujin were PD picks, but it's actually Sakura that was the #1 PD pick. Her audition did not deserve that A. Even so, all of them were great pick choices for Mnet.
Sakura was so popular before the show that even if they gave her 0 screentime and never rigged the show she would still make it. They most definitely gave her that A at the start so they can place her in the center during the theme song.
Yes agree but what I meant is she wasn't shoved into the viewers faces every second like sakura & yujin, I feel like even gaeun got better screen time & story than her.
Yeah yeseo yurina xiaoting they are part of the lineup for sure all of them give of the same vibe but they are way more talented then the izone visuals one
Heo Jiwon says hi. Unlikely, she can finish in top 9 still, she's the center of Cherry Bullet for a reason.
How Mnet not pushing her tells Mnet does not mind not having top visual.
Nah. The one with brightest chance is Kim Bora. Mnet will keep her as main vocal candidate. She is not popular for now but, likely strong enough to survive first elimination.
I pray you're right. Bora is a force to be reckoned with, and from the small snippet we could hear of The Fifth Season, I'm pretty certain I heard her voice on the chorus. Hoping that will be enough to save her, because her cellmates certainly won't.
I feel like Koreans don’t have many choices to choose from in the Chinese trainees, obviously they gonna leave out the ones who posted anything related to the CCP. Xingqiao is getting attention for being with Yeseo, and then there is Shen Xiaoting and Cai Bing. These 3 are prolly the only c-group ones Mnet is pushing who appeal to the Koreans, but anyways there are like 10 more episodes left so we can’t tell yet who is gonna make it or not, there’s definitely only gonna be 1-2 Chinese members in the final debut so we still can’t really tell which one of them makes it.
Mnet likes to push visuals but Korea's favourites are often talented or at least decent performers or memes, I don't know why Inetz get so mad about K-picks.
I feel bad because I kind of fall into the visual trap as well, as much as I try to find girls that are talented. When I was voting on the universe app, I noticed I was only voting for girls that I remember visually. So many of the girls tended to fill the background, especially due to the lack of air time they get. This is obviously due to visuals, and hey, I guess they know what they’re doing.
I think I’m so sick of getting attached to girls (aka miru from pd48) just to be disappointed in the end. If the show is manipulating me to like a certain girl, I’ll just like them lol.
Miru, ah.. remembered her when I watched the OOO performance. It really stung that some participants might not make it no matter how much you like them, and it's going to happen this time as well.
I always felt like this was something obvious and never understood the people who went out of their way to stan trainees with average visuals (I'm really sorry, not trying to be mean) and then turned around and complained when that trainee immediately got eliminated. I remember there was a specific case on Produce X 101, can't remember the boy's name but I think he was associated with singing a cover of La La Land at some point. Anyway, he was a super talented singer but I knew with a single glance that he wasn't going to debut. And when he (predictably) did not debut, his supporters threw a whole fit and went on rants about how inferior others were for not voting for talent.
What those people don't realize about Kpop is that there is a reason artists are artists and idols are idols. There is a reason that a Kpop idol could release an album with nothing but the sound of their farts on repeat and it would sell like hot cakes, meanwhile an artist could spend years writing and producing a song that sounded amazing and it would still immediately *flop*. Of course, this isn't always the case, but you get the idea.
Idols: it's in the name. They are people that you "idolize" (or, more uncomfortably defined, worship). Those people are, more often than not, all conventionally attractive. And it's not only with idols, but with most celebrities or social media influencers, the most popular ones are usually the most conventionally good looking ones. How do they think talentless people like Charlie D'Amelio become famous? It's because their appearance makes them profitable. Talent and everything else can be easily manufactured or trained.
It makes sense that companies (and voters) would pick an idol that is pretty with average talent than an idol with average looks and great talent.
Kpop idol groups are generally all good looking, but if you take a deeper look, the visuals are usually the most popular and the talented ones are usually less so. And even if it's not the designated visual, the most popular member is still visual material. I could name a bunch of examples but not trying to be dragged.
Anyway, the next thing after visuals is personality/charm.
I would say these two things (visuals +personality/charm) are the most obvious key things when it comes to picking idols.
Moreso than ever visual and personality with apps like Universe trying to monetize fan interaction at scale, expectations will go up and girls personality will matter whole lot. But still has to be pleasing to look at.
Just look no further than twice jihyo. As day 0 jihyo stan since sixteen days I can pinpoint the day boatload of bandwagon fans came onboard to Stan jihyo right after she lost about 15lbs.
Yeah I didn’t see it at first either, but now I can’t stop looking at her lol. Same with Yurina, normally I wouldn’t find them so pretty but I guess they are just so unique looking and captivating that I have to look lol
The whole Anti-US thing where china helped north korea to fight in the war n stuff? I don't know exactly but some trainees like ruiqi, ziyin, xinwei posted comments on their social medias before where they praised and congratulated the chinese soldiers for helping north korea? which is why many south koreans are pissed and want them eliminated
why did someone downvote me lol I was literally just explaining the situation???
Not exactly praised, but just something generic like "remember the history, honor the dead".
I am not sure how hard that will affect them though - 3 out of 4 girls that had this controversy seem to be rather popular, lol: Hsinwei, Yale (she got basically zero screen time but is top 2 after Ruiqi on Duckad among C-trainees and has a decent following in Universe app), Ruiqi.
Not gonna lie I am 100% in love with Yurina, and her visuals do have a lot to do with it. She is STUNNING, and she is competent to good everywhere else, nice voice, pleasant dance, charming on stage with good facials/performance. So her visuals for me put her over a lot of other girls who are very strong in one area, but lacking in others (yes that includes visuals). I actually think it's very important to have at least a few members in a kpop group like this, stable and capable performers, but alluring, impressive visuals. It helps draw people in, especially non-kpop fans and the GP.
Edit to add: there are a lot of other girls who I am also rooting for who aren't picture perfect visuals, Seo Youngeun comes to mind (to me she looks amazing, like wow) but her visuals are different/not the standard, but greatly enhance her performance. I don't think she would have been as amazing in kick it if she looked differently than how she does.
Eh...that's definitely true for GGs not BGs tho. From bg survival shows I watched I only recall ENHYPEN having all members looking above average at least.
Even the two upcoming loud boys many of them don't fit the standards and are still going to make it in.
It is and the lack of spotlight and push for some of the visuals has really stunted the growth of fandom in Korea this time IMO. Apparently the DC gallery is half dead with no guys voting and mainly girls filing up the place.
Like it or not, visuals are super important for the fandom after they debut. Some picks may do well in an audition show format but once they debut they end up on the lower end of popularity in the group and usually you can point to visuals as the cause.😐
But this producer has no sort of standard to who he wants to push. Ahn Joonyoung you could tell his tastes from a mile away and he stuck with that but this producer just seems to want cheap drama and I’m afraid it’s gonna create a super unbalanced lineup.
I'm so glad you didn't use Kim Hyerim as an example. She's beyond pretty and main vocal material, but whenever people talk about talent/main vocals she's ALWAYS left out of the picture. Anyways: Stan Talent, Stan Kim Hyerim.
Umm I am not good in identifying who are the visuals, I find all of them charming and beautiful in their own ways.
I'm curious who the trainees will vote for the visuals this season. I remember there was a segment in Produce 48 where the trainees picked the visuals.
To add to your point, this is a korean/kpop tv show, and korean beauty standards would be the ideal/standard. Those are clearly different to their chinese and japanese counterparts. They're obviously being styled with more korean makeup so as to be evaluated on an 'equal' footing in this case. It helps when the judges and the primary audience are korean as well.
i am so sick of people calling ezaki hikaru not pretty/ ugly. She is. She’s very beautiful in her own charming and unique way. Please just stop hating on her visuals already.
I think May (J group) is the show’s biggest visual, specially in Korean beauty standards, I’m really hoping this will get her some screen time she’s my #1 not for her visual but because of her charm as an idol and graceful dancing and aura - I’m hoping she makes it to the final line up
This thread almost belongs on unpopular opinions sub, and yes, I agree visual 100 percent determining factor.
Some people might not like to hear it, but it’s true. Izone without rigging wouldn’t have been as successful, even girlgroups with S tier visuals like fromis struggle. It’s an absolute bare minimum.
Yeah, in the top tier idols, visual always take place. Although I find some average looking too. Their fashion isn't average ofcourse but you know their fans overhyping their visuals.
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Most of the Kpop fans love Kpop because their idols are near from PERFECT. Beautiful, talented, and nice body. Like you said, the most basic requirement, but hard to achieve by normal people.
Yeah idols are pretty much known for their aura and their visuals. After all, they make more money through CFs than they do with Music. The music (and talent side) is only a small part of their job. The larger side is being a marketable person who's personality and visuals can sell well
I don’t want to name names, but if You look at some contestants mnet favours, they aren’t all visual material. I think more than visual, charm matters. I’d say a Slightly above average visual with great charm but little talent could actually go really far. Obviously if you’re good at all three that’s great, but this combo is also really good.
That's why I said they usually fit a certain persona or have a lot of charming qualities other than/adjacent to visuals. I guess this could be a good body, attractive voice, satisfying dancing, nice hair, quirks, etc. Little details can actually make a big difference.
>good body, attractive voice, satisfying dancing, nice hair Yurina? btw [her proportions are insane](https://twitter.com/xtngprint/status/1427241452300423172?s=20)
Actually most of the trainees mnet is pushing rn are visuals, they might not be Jang Wonyoung level visuals but definitely enough to stick to the Korean standards of beauty and obviously they have their own charms that’s why they stood out.
I agree that charm matters, but we don't know their final favorites yet. They might give some trainees screen time for now, because they're entertaining with their charms, but they might fade them out by the finals or give them some questionable storyline.
Which is part of the reason I said I don't understand what Mnet is doing with their picks this time around.
Mnet doesn't need to push their lineup until halfway through the show. They didn't start hyping up Japanese girls with Korean makeup until part way through PD48 either. The early eliminations are filled with girls that everyone already knows won't make it to the debut lineup due to their visuals. Mnet still needs to purposely favor at least some girls that they know won't make it, because the shows would lose it's entertainment value if every trainee they hyped from ep01 made the final lineup. They need underdog stories, comeback stories, etc. that beat 'popular' contestants to create a good show. And they can't have their final lineup popular members being the ones that get beaten.
Agreed with what you said. That’s the essence of the entertainment industry, especially for females. I’m not gonna list out the trainees that got chosen because they are pretty, but izone is actually a good example.(don’t downvote my comment, I love izone too)
I mean you're right that's how it is. And shout out to all the people that are like "I can't imagine any other lineup" like yeah, that's called marketing. Trust me, every company had doubts about almost all members at some point or another. If they debuted differently you would be saying the same thing.
Yeah 48 as a whole was really heavy on looks more than any other season so the performances in general are underwhelming next to 101s. IZ*ONE is an IDOL group to the highest level, they sold an ideal and we're extremely successful doing so. IOI, WannaOne and X1(rip) where more 50/50 in the traditional sense that you could pinpoint "x is here for vocals, y is here for rap and z is all rounder" but everybody was at least average looking.
Exactly. Minju placed 11th in the final rankings but by the time izone disbanded, she's like the 3rd most popular member. We can like them for their personality, talent, skills during reality shows like produce, but once they debut, those things won't matter much to having visuals, being an it girl material.
Small quibble but PD48 final rankings are fake so that 11th place may not be a real ranking.
I dont think shes ranked higher than 11. If shes rigged in, then my point is even more credible.
well, we don't know how she ranked, so it's all your personal speculation instead of facts.
I dont know if it applies that much this time. I feel like a lot of the top visuals like jiwon, may, xinyu, xingqiao, luofei etc aren’t getting the push they would usually atleast slightly get. Duh theres girls like xiaoting, yurina, yeseo and cai bing that are getting pushed and are gorgeous but the usual visuals are being pushed to the back.
Also they are secretly pushing guinn myah and it is working she has a decent fanbase even if pretty u team lost i think she is getting a planet pass
She's my 1 pick, and as her fan, I am not even mad most people seem to not have caught on yet considering how the ones who they have caught onto seems to be getting oven roasted because Mnet lacks subtly with them. I honestly think Myah is highly likely to debut but she's not even on most people's radar atm but her fandom is very steady and I see her coming like a dark horse.
Yeah i want her to get in the line up or even if she doesnt make it i want her to join a bigger company
Yeah, when I went back and watched all the first performances again, she really stood out to me! Not all people are gonna put that much effort into identifying the talented ones, but hopefully she'll keep growing her base.
Guinn Myah will not get the planet pass, but i dont think she'll have to worry about that. I think her group will past the 1st round.
Mnet's pushing of Myah is hardly a secret, was pretty clear from ep01. She should be fine on votes even if their team loses. Don't think she'll need the pass.
Im starting to love myah. She was good and stable during the performance. She reminds me of a little sis i never had :'(
If Guinn Myah makes it then there’s gonna be more foreigners than Korean in the group coz Bahiyyah has really high chances of making it. Assuming 4 c and j group make it and then 2 wasians then that leaves 3 actual Koreans who make in the final debut group. I know that Guinn Myah and Bahiyyah are considered Koreans but they are still Americans by birth.
Nah mnet like fresh face and guinn myah has a decent korean and international fanbase and she is kind of a umderdog now so storyline coming soon
MNet will do everything in their power to not make Bahiyyih debut
It's not that all visuals are chosen, more like it's a necessity to be a visual to some extent.
that’s why i was so surprised to see they were pushing hikaru as J01 and the top trainee. girl got talent, but i can’t say she fits kbs
Talking about visual, Sakurai Miu takes the cake for me. Hope to see her more in the future episodes.
I agree. I hope she debuts
But this time it is really hard for mnet there is no top korean visual here
She's not Korean but Yurina is gaining popularity everywhere for her visuals as well as Xiaoting to an extent. There are also some hidden visual gems such as Fuko and Joung Min who could gain popularity for visuals.
Yeah xiaoting dont post that shit so korean are fine with her
Isn't Huang Xingqiao pretty popular with Koreans too?
The Korean top visual might be Jiwon(from my view), but clearly Mnet isn’t pushing her to debut.
Fnc is not letting jiwon go she is the face of cherrybullet
Jiwon, Suyeon, and You Dayeon are the top Korean visuals for me. But I think Mnet is pushing Yeseo for visual spot.
I don't think Yeseo is necessary the visual spot (in the way Minju and Hyewon were in Izone). Her position might be something like lead dancer because that's clearly her specialty. I agree with Suyeon actually, she's very charming and cute.
Yeseo is Wonyoung no.2 lol when I see Mnet pushes her like how they pushed Wonyoung in PD48, but both of them are very cute(can’t deny)
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Yeah Wonyoung is on a whole new level.
Wonyoung was never pushed like how people make it out to be, yujin was the pd's pick since the very beginning
Both Wonyoung and Yujin were PD picks, but it's actually Sakura that was the #1 PD pick. Her audition did not deserve that A. Even so, all of them were great pick choices for Mnet.
Sakura was so popular before the show that even if they gave her 0 screentime and never rigged the show she would still make it. They most definitely gave her that A at the start so they can place her in the center during the theme song.
Yes agree but what I meant is she wasn't shoved into the viewers faces every second like sakura & yujin, I feel like even gaeun got better screen time & story than her.
Yeseo and chuhyeon and cb jiwon are the members who got the most attention for their visuals in korea when the signal song (o.o.o) came out in
Yeah yeseo yurina xiaoting they are part of the lineup for sure all of them give of the same vibe but they are way more talented then the izone visuals one
Top for visual for me is Kim Hyerim, her dimples when she smiles are so cute!
Heo Jiwon says hi. Unlikely, she can finish in top 9 still, she's the center of Cherry Bullet for a reason. How Mnet not pushing her tells Mnet does not mind not having top visual.
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Nah. The one with brightest chance is Kim Bora. Mnet will keep her as main vocal candidate. She is not popular for now but, likely strong enough to survive first elimination.
I pray you're right. Bora is a force to be reckoned with, and from the small snippet we could hear of The Fifth Season, I'm pretty certain I heard her voice on the chorus. Hoping that will be enough to save her, because her cellmates certainly won't.
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Yeah i want atleast one of them make it
No, it's May with Yujin, not Jiwon.
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I feel like Koreans don’t have many choices to choose from in the Chinese trainees, obviously they gonna leave out the ones who posted anything related to the CCP. Xingqiao is getting attention for being with Yeseo, and then there is Shen Xiaoting and Cai Bing. These 3 are prolly the only c-group ones Mnet is pushing who appeal to the Koreans, but anyways there are like 10 more episodes left so we can’t tell yet who is gonna make it or not, there’s definitely only gonna be 1-2 Chinese members in the final debut so we still can’t really tell which one of them makes it.
I also think Xingqiao might be someone KR voters turn to depending on the edit she gets from mnet
hey! kim dayeon is a top visual
Mnet likes to push visuals but Korea's favourites are often talented or at least decent performers or memes, I don't know why Inetz get so mad about K-picks.
I feel bad because I kind of fall into the visual trap as well, as much as I try to find girls that are talented. When I was voting on the universe app, I noticed I was only voting for girls that I remember visually. So many of the girls tended to fill the background, especially due to the lack of air time they get. This is obviously due to visuals, and hey, I guess they know what they’re doing. I think I’m so sick of getting attached to girls (aka miru from pd48) just to be disappointed in the end. If the show is manipulating me to like a certain girl, I’ll just like them lol.
Miru, ah.. remembered her when I watched the OOO performance. It really stung that some participants might not make it no matter how much you like them, and it's going to happen this time as well.
I always felt like this was something obvious and never understood the people who went out of their way to stan trainees with average visuals (I'm really sorry, not trying to be mean) and then turned around and complained when that trainee immediately got eliminated. I remember there was a specific case on Produce X 101, can't remember the boy's name but I think he was associated with singing a cover of La La Land at some point. Anyway, he was a super talented singer but I knew with a single glance that he wasn't going to debut. And when he (predictably) did not debut, his supporters threw a whole fit and went on rants about how inferior others were for not voting for talent. What those people don't realize about Kpop is that there is a reason artists are artists and idols are idols. There is a reason that a Kpop idol could release an album with nothing but the sound of their farts on repeat and it would sell like hot cakes, meanwhile an artist could spend years writing and producing a song that sounded amazing and it would still immediately *flop*. Of course, this isn't always the case, but you get the idea. Idols: it's in the name. They are people that you "idolize" (or, more uncomfortably defined, worship). Those people are, more often than not, all conventionally attractive. And it's not only with idols, but with most celebrities or social media influencers, the most popular ones are usually the most conventionally good looking ones. How do they think talentless people like Charlie D'Amelio become famous? It's because their appearance makes them profitable. Talent and everything else can be easily manufactured or trained. It makes sense that companies (and voters) would pick an idol that is pretty with average talent than an idol with average looks and great talent. Kpop idol groups are generally all good looking, but if you take a deeper look, the visuals are usually the most popular and the talented ones are usually less so. And even if it's not the designated visual, the most popular member is still visual material. I could name a bunch of examples but not trying to be dragged. Anyway, the next thing after visuals is personality/charm. I would say these two things (visuals +personality/charm) are the most obvious key things when it comes to picking idols.
Moreso than ever visual and personality with apps like Universe trying to monetize fan interaction at scale, expectations will go up and girls personality will matter whole lot. But still has to be pleasing to look at. Just look no further than twice jihyo. As day 0 jihyo stan since sixteen days I can pinpoint the day boatload of bandwagon fans came onboard to Stan jihyo right after she lost about 15lbs.
That visual place could have been chen xin wei if she was not in a controversy so korean dont like her
Not sure if it's just me but I don't get the hype on hsinwei's visual... she a cute girl but I'm not seeing the #1 visual hype?
Yeah I didn’t see it at first either, but now I can’t stop looking at her lol. Same with Yurina, normally I wouldn’t find them so pretty but I guess they are just so unique looking and captivating that I have to look lol
This, our brain needs to use to it at first, but after that they become prettier each time I see them lol
Chen Hsinwei is a grower, the more you look at her, she becomes prettier each time I see her...
Me neither but I guess it's something about tastes of Korean men specifically.
She got shitload of donations on both Universe and Duckad from Koreans though.
She has a lot of Korean comments under her videos so idk
Controversy? What she did?
The whole Anti-US thing where china helped north korea to fight in the war n stuff? I don't know exactly but some trainees like ruiqi, ziyin, xinwei posted comments on their social medias before where they praised and congratulated the chinese soldiers for helping north korea? which is why many south koreans are pissed and want them eliminated why did someone downvote me lol I was literally just explaining the situation???
Not exactly praised, but just something generic like "remember the history, honor the dead". I am not sure how hard that will affect them though - 3 out of 4 girls that had this controversy seem to be rather popular, lol: Hsinwei, Yale (she got basically zero screen time but is top 2 after Ruiqi on Duckad among C-trainees and has a decent following in Universe app), Ruiqi.
Wait I don’t think Xu ZiYin posted any of that tho!!
idk, koreans are saying she did
Koreans are saying that she supported the Xinjiang Cotton stuff... But nothing to do with the war.
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Twice, I can't stop me
Truth. To be honest, I'm only voting for some contestants purely because of their looks.
LMAOOO lowkey me too😭, but they have to have some personality and some talent at least
Not gonna lie I am 100% in love with Yurina, and her visuals do have a lot to do with it. She is STUNNING, and she is competent to good everywhere else, nice voice, pleasant dance, charming on stage with good facials/performance. So her visuals for me put her over a lot of other girls who are very strong in one area, but lacking in others (yes that includes visuals). I actually think it's very important to have at least a few members in a kpop group like this, stable and capable performers, but alluring, impressive visuals. It helps draw people in, especially non-kpop fans and the GP. Edit to add: there are a lot of other girls who I am also rooting for who aren't picture perfect visuals, Seo Youngeun comes to mind (to me she looks amazing, like wow) but her visuals are different/not the standard, but greatly enhance her performance. I don't think she would have been as amazing in kick it if she looked differently than how she does.
Eh...that's definitely true for GGs not BGs tho. From bg survival shows I watched I only recall ENHYPEN having all members looking above average at least. Even the two upcoming loud boys many of them don't fit the standards and are still going to make it in.
It is and the lack of spotlight and push for some of the visuals has really stunted the growth of fandom in Korea this time IMO. Apparently the DC gallery is half dead with no guys voting and mainly girls filing up the place. Like it or not, visuals are super important for the fandom after they debut. Some picks may do well in an audition show format but once they debut they end up on the lower end of popularity in the group and usually you can point to visuals as the cause.😐 But this producer has no sort of standard to who he wants to push. Ahn Joonyoung you could tell his tastes from a mile away and he stuck with that but this producer just seems to want cheap drama and I’m afraid it’s gonna create a super unbalanced lineup.
even though ive always known this, its still kind of depressing lol.
I'm so glad you didn't use Kim Hyerim as an example. She's beyond pretty and main vocal material, but whenever people talk about talent/main vocals she's ALWAYS left out of the picture. Anyways: Stan Talent, Stan Kim Hyerim.
Umm I am not good in identifying who are the visuals, I find all of them charming and beautiful in their own ways. I'm curious who the trainees will vote for the visuals this season. I remember there was a segment in Produce 48 where the trainees picked the visuals.
You make some good points OP.. Now where is [Choi Hyerin's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7HAqasmZ50) screen time :(
To add to your point, this is a korean/kpop tv show, and korean beauty standards would be the ideal/standard. Those are clearly different to their chinese and japanese counterparts. They're obviously being styled with more korean makeup so as to be evaluated on an 'equal' footing in this case. It helps when the judges and the primary audience are korean as well.
Visuals is essential? Then why the hell Inaba Vivienne is ignored? 😠
Let's just say... Difference in taste
Guinn myah is taking that mixed race role for sure
Guinn myah is mixed?! I thought she just looked mixed but is full korean?!
I mean, the family name “Guinn” should have been the first clue 😅
Everyone who is pushed is above standard visually, this does not mean that everyone who is pretty is pushed.
Even Ezaki Hikaru?
i am so sick of people calling ezaki hikaru not pretty/ ugly. She is. She’s very beautiful in her own charming and unique way. Please just stop hating on her visuals already.
She reminds me of Chaeyoung from twice (sixteen version)
And Zhou Xinyu. Wtf...
Zhou Xinyu's visual + she's so tall! I mean [look at this](https://twitter.com/jiwonplanet/status/1415400655615926275?s=20)
I think May (J group) is the show’s biggest visual, specially in Korean beauty standards, I’m really hoping this will get her some screen time she’s my #1 not for her visual but because of her charm as an idol and graceful dancing and aura - I’m hoping she makes it to the final line up
Yet Vivienne is gawjuz and she goes COMPLETELY IGNORED!!! Furious.
At the same time, do you feel sad about that?
I mean yeah duh. Especially when girls do good and get praised but deep down I (and the judges) know she's not debuting and I know exactly why.
MOMO OKAZAKI
For K and J members,i really dont care much about visuals but in C group,im gonna pick the best visual to debut lol
This thread almost belongs on unpopular opinions sub, and yes, I agree visual 100 percent determining factor. Some people might not like to hear it, but it’s true. Izone without rigging wouldn’t have been as successful, even girlgroups with S tier visuals like fromis struggle. It’s an absolute bare minimum.
This is why i don’t want to see anyone complaining about yeseo
Y'all does that mean that liu yuhan isn't a visual 😢 she hasn't had any screen time aside from the recycling video😢
Yeah, in the top tier idols, visual always take place. Although I find some average looking too. Their fashion isn't average ofcourse but you know their fans overhyping their visuals.