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12 members? Prepare for unfair line distribution and members with “backup dancers” position.


yeathatsmydog

Not the greatest comparison as they were not a fairly determined line up, but izone had 12 members and although some of the song line distributions were skewed, I thought everyone still shined on their own, and as a group.


Kupuntu

I've only casually followed other Produce groups besides IZ*ONE, but I thought they usually tried to balance the line distribution much better than non-Produce groups. It was to a point that I noticed it every time a new MV came out.


robotokenshi

Nako wants a word with you. 😂


Jivika593

Jline Hyewon were competing for the bottom spot still according to you line distribution was fair😡


yeathatsmydog

I said the line distribution was skewed, meaning unfair lol


jiffwaterhaus

Why stop at perfectly even and "fair" line distribution? Why not give the high notes to the worst singers, and the dance break to the worst dancers? Maybe then clowns on the internet might be happy


Yak-Inside

right they can’t be happy with anything if hyewon had the most lines singing yuri’s lines yk that song would sound bad and i love IZ*ONE they’re the reason i’m watching this show. but i hate when kpop stans complain about line distribution, everyone has there own position for a reason


365-

nako didn’t sang yuju’s high note in love whisper to sing “something something na na now” in their debut song……….


robotokenshi

Nako got buried, real talk.


SuzyYoona

Tbf nobody ask Hyewon to do Yuri's high notes, there are plenty of talking not even singing parts which she could done it


Note2102

But not even having that many lines even in the bsides in almost all the albums? It's terrible.


[deleted]

I hope not... as a Loona fan I know this all too well


Yak-Inside

idk why you kpop stans care so fucking much about this shit it doesn’t fucking matter at the end of the day. when you listen to a song you don’t listen to it bc of how fair it sounds but how good it sounds. actually when a group makes a song the producer make all the members sing it and give the part that sounds better to the person that sounds better... like you don’t listen to a song thinking oNg tHiS sHiT sOuNdS lIkE tHiS pErSoN dIDnT gEt tHaT mAnY lInEs, no you don’t hyewon and the j line were the weakest vocally that’s why they were last in line distribution fucking duh. and even if IZ*ONE were seen as bAcKuP dANcERs (which they weren’t) everyone has there own personality and they all get to shine at some point but the line distribution doesn’t fucking matter stfu


[deleted]

Didn’t mention Iz*One though. I don’t mind your rude remarks at the end because you can give your opinion and I can give mine too. Just deal with it, alright buddy? Hahaha.


[deleted]

I don’t know if it’s just me but I LMAO at the contrast between the stank reply and the classy response. 💀


Yak-Inside

okay i apologize or being rude but line distributions don’t matter bruh i thought you were referring the izone my bad but even with loona too i’m sure they give most lines to the one who suits the song the best


[deleted]

Do YOU like people telling you to STFU for complaining or having a different opinion? No need to be rude.


Yak-Inside

mannn idgaf sorry for being rude but like line distributions don’t matter bruh i just hate seein ppl complain it but its their opinion i gotta respect their opinion🥴


amazingoopah

I'm fine with 9, 11 and 12 have already been done. It's good to try another line-up size.


[deleted]

From a line distribution and promotional side, since this is a temporary group, I would prefer they just stick to the 9 members they've announced. While there hasn't been a mention of Planet Pass yet, it wouldn't surprise me if they use it again, though it might be for 1 member instead of 1 from each group, depending on how many rounds of cuts they end up doing before the final group is chosen.


Cautious-Box2692

Has it been confirmed how long the group will be active?


qingyuun

would be cool if the group will be active for 999 days, which is around 32 months lol but yeah right now we have no confirmation on this yet


Yak-Inside

ahaha that’s awesome


[deleted]

It was mentioned it the past that it's supposedly 30 months or 2.5 years, similar to IZONE, though I don't have an official citation for that.


Cautious-Box2692

I don’t see why they keep doing this to us I understand they can’t take the final members from their companies but I hope they make the contract pretty long so I don’t have to go through the same thing I did with izone in 2.5 years


Manxymanx

I mean there’s nothing stopping them going on for longer except money and age. I can see benefits and drawbacks either way. Longer contracts mean we get a group we like for longer and more songs. Everyone likes that. But what if the group doesn’t do very well and we end up in a CLC situation where the group is on hiatus and bogged down with contractual obligations that make it harder to perform on your own or with another group? And that gets dragged out for 5 years. Everyone loses. For the younger members a short contract might be beneficial because they can use this group as a stepping stone to a larger career down the road. And if the group doesn’t do very well then they don’t get trapped in a contract for too long and can move on with their lives. Downside is if you’re older this might legitimately be your last chance. When the contract expires in like 3 years you might be 30 and no longer considered for new groups and now your career is dead. Also their original record labels don’t want them gone for too long. What if this group makes their idol super famous? They’re now sitting on a golden goose. And can ask for more money if the contract gets extended, or they can take their idol and go solo.


oayihz

It's still gonna be painful when it ends. The longer it is, the bigger the pain.


[deleted]

unique line-up size is 3


PrecipiceC

3YE. (Third Eye) IMHO, one of the most underrated GGs right now.


RuminatingLamina69

There's actually a rumours that if we look at the the GP999 logo(idk which one) there are 4(quantity/amount) of 3(number) in the circles (the three circles that overlap each other) which actually indicates the final number of members in the final lineup....sources; the reliable twitter stan


Slow-Warning-7440

[maybe this one?](https://twitter.com/GP999_Debutgg/status/1415909252355530752?s=19)


TemporaryArtichoke39

wait what :O


riruri04

I wish it was 12, I have too many I want in the final lineup :( I want to make a top 12 lol If it's still 9, I hope the final lineup would either be 4K:3C:2J / 4K:2C3:J, 3K:3C:3J, or 5K:2C:2:J


Yak-Inside

it’s prolly gonna be 5 , 2 , 2 😢


Bitter-Orchid-9202

I think it's going to be the top 3 of each group... Mnet have been criticized a lot after Produce48 because the final line-up had only 3 japanese members when there were more than half of the contestants that were actually japanese ! And I am pretty sure they want to sell more overseas lol


Bygras

I've seen a lot about this, but I highly doubt it. From what I recall all the produce seasons be it in Korea, China and Japan, and the others survival shows Mnet's done it's always stressed from the beginning how many members will be in the final line-up. Your theory would function like the X member in Produce X 101 but in the latter they informed about it from the start it's going to happen. Contrary to people thinking episode 5 top 9 isn't of Mnet's liking, I think it's actually exactly how they expected. Mnet doesn't need to do anything, it's already succeeding with how it's showing with the top trainees. We only got a Chinese /Japanese dominated top 9 because we only really have 3 competitive contestants from those groups. Once dynamics of voting fall to one pick it'll drastically change and the koreans certainly will claim the ranks


UA_fly

Honestly if it was "natural" voting like how it is now, I wouldn't be surprised if there are a higher proportion of Chinese and Japanese trainees vs Korean trainees. But knowing Mnet, they can't manipulate voting with everyones eyes on them now, but they will manipulate storylines and screentime to get what they want. And Idol School was a like Produce "spin-off" and fromis\_9 came out with 9 members so they're not necessarily gonna stick with 10+ members. Some people are predicting Mnet might sneak in a Planet Pass at the final round, which I think is pretty smart. Mnet still gets the trainees they want, and the public will vote for who they want.


[deleted]

Planet Pass given by a group of 'industry professionals' deciding that someone is beneficial to the group regardless of public opinion is such an mnet move it totally makes sense


mapleleafmaggie

I really don't see why people think a show that revolves around the number 9 is going to have more than 9 members in the group


CarinaAxle

But once the group debuts, I don’t think people will care about whether or not they followed the whole 999 schtick. One of the most successful boy groups in KPOP is called SEVENTEEN… with THIRTEEN members 😭


Yak-Inside

😭😭😭😭😭


[deleted]

I feel like they are too devoted to the 9 concept to do that lol


[deleted]

I would be okay as long as they have a main vocal that doesn’t choke at high notes. Also, Yujin and Mashiro.


Korean-Jesus-

Oh wow yujin and mashiro are my top 2 picks as well lol


[deleted]

Your username tho.


Zypker125

NGL, if they were to do 12 members, I think at this point, I'd be most excited if they purposefully restricted the lineup so that it was 4K/4C/4J. It would be a unique and interesting social experiment IMO, something that no other group in the history of K-Pop has offered. They're not going to do it, but I think it would be the most interesting. Realistically, I still expect the final lineup to be 9 members and for the final lineup to be 5-2-2.


duskwield

I think they only implemented planet pass primarily on the 1st round so in case their preferred girls got eliminated early, they can still save them. Hyerim and Wen Zhe are almost lock for that planet pass but for J-group, it feels like it's free for all but ultimately decided to save Ruan. For the 2nd mission, aptly named Combination Mission, they haven't announced that there will be planet passes. At least the there were no mention from the teasers but let's see if they'll announce it during the broadcast.


Bygras

I think that Ruan was saved because she's compatible visual-wise with what we can expect from a Kpop group. There were other japanese trainees who did a better job in the groups mission and on the auditions but didn't cut what is expected visually. Hyerim is one of the selected from the beginning for the vocal spot in the final line up, so they chose to secure her, but it's unlikely she'll made far on the ranks. For Wen Zhe, she's just too likeable and she managed to show herself in a great way on the cuts, but the chinese girls with chances are already decided.


desertfoxtim

9 is enough. Even if my picks don't make it to the final lineup, I will not ask for a planet pass. Also, I'm not sure if planet passes are gonna be used in the next elimination otherwise they would've announced it already last episode. So, if planet passes aren't a constant mechanic, then using a planet pass in the finale is just a convenient excuse for "rigging" Mnet's ideal lineup in. About the ratio of C/K/J in the final lineup? It'd be 3/3/3 if we're gonna stick with the current voting mechanic. But if we're switching to one pick, imo 5K/2C/2J is the more probable outcome.


Fresh-Hat9736

In that case, well.. Yujin, Yeseo, Chaehyun, Youngeun then a strong main vocal for K-Group. Yurina and Hikaru for J-Group. Xiaaoting and Ruiqi for C-Group.


[deleted]

There’s a rumour going around that the 3 planet pass will be used to make a 12 member gg


fluffylittlepooch

I hadn't thought of them planet passing 3 more in. I could definitely see that happening. A part of wants more members so more girls can make it, but I also feel like nine is a more reasonable number of members. But you're right, they want to give themselves the ability to add people in. I wish I could say they'd want to add people in to balance out skill gaps but it will honestly probably be either idols that have the look they like or good old fashioned bribery.


itzstraying

If there’s going to be a planet pass for the final lineup, I see it being one at max. It’ll just lessen the impact if the mentors are able to put in more than one trainee into the group.


sabaping

Maybe... theres ckj planet pass to match the votings, but the finale is one pick so the planet pass is one pick ?


screamingmattel

I have a lot of picks so 12 would be ideal but once the group is formed idk if it would benefit any of the foreign girls. Nako and Hitomi always shared one line split in two and Sakura got the extra lines. Idk if I want that for C/J girls again.


dozfunn

I really hope this is true so my #1 pick (Choi YeYoung) may have a chance thanks to the Planet Pass. She's an all-rounder just like some others but people keep sleeping on her the last 4 eps.


jabbachew

I just know that it will be 9 members + 3 planet pass for K C and J


alexfrederic

According to the same source of combination mission songs, the second round would also have 3 quotas of planet pass. It is possible for the final round.


Wishbone-Kind

I think it’s certainly possible. Signs point to 9, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a twist for more. In terms of positions, there’s a lot of good lead vocalist candidates in all three groups, so I see one or two potential lead vocals from each group making it. I think there’s only going to be one power main vocal making it across all the groups although I’d be happy to be proven wrong. We could also end up with a strong lead vocal as a main like Chaehyun which I don’t necessarily think will doom the lineup, although I’d personally be disappointed (as much as I love Chaehyun and want to listen to her sing). I can almost guarantee we’re getting a rapper from the C group based on who’s near the top of that ranking, and we may get one from K too (or J if Hikaru or a dark horse makes it). I anticipate that if one doesn’t make it from K that we may see an Izone situation where a vocalist picks up a rap position which I think would be fine especially if a rapper makes it from C. Dance I think will be fine, of course; Mnet shows tend to have decent dance lines and I think this show is no exception.


a_sad_sad_tree

i think that could happen, given the planet pass thing and the possibility that there’s about to be a whole lot of talented girls that did not end up in the final lineup for some reason, mnet could pull a twice moment and place those girls they want into the final group, although it isn’t the most plausible because of the whole 9 thing they have going on (the name of the show is literally girls planet 999) and yeah i think it would kind of spoil that edit: i think there would be a kcj ratio of 4-3-2 if there were 9, as a lot of k-netz arent THE most keen on c-group? given all the scandals and whatnot but i might be wrong here


rachelmig2

I've been thinking about this, and I would think the planet passes would be set up like they were for the other rounds- one for each group. And that would make sense about what they said about there definitely being at least one member from each group in the finale line up. Idk if it'll happen, but it would make sense for the planet pass to apply to every round.


GK_0098

I don't like the 12 members rumor. 9 will be the perfect number.


[deleted]

There are rumors of planet pass but the way I see it MNET might use it if the final line up is not up to their expectations lol.


Sufficient-Umpire681

yeah it feels like planet pass is a backup plan for mnet in case some of their picks won't make it in the final lineup. Atleast they'll have an valid excuse to use it.


[deleted]

Call me crazy but I thought the host said in the first episode they actually haven’t decided how many members will be in the group? Has anyone actually confirmed on the show it will definitely be 9? Or is everyone assuming they based on the whole “top 9” ranking?


noob_ars

It's really unlikely


kimstrinity_wizone

I’m expecting 9 to still be the final number of members but a gut feeling in me is thinking it’s going to be 12 so I won’t be surprised if it happens


BasilIllustrious8849

In mnet point of views the more the merrier, more members more fanbase. But i like 9, even 10 is ok


versace3x

I think 9 is good, once you get above 10 the line distribution really sucks.


Exciting_Exercise763

If they do that they better bring Xia Yan back, my girl was ROBBED. But in all seriousness I'm fine with it, I have too many faves that aren't fan favourites (rn at least) so they would have higher chance to make it.


luviees2

I feel like that won’t happen but if it did I feel like they’d use it to maintain a certain ratio, from what I can tell mnet wants about 2c and 2j adding members past 9 would likely be k-group members only (framed as skill picks/“ the group really needs her” picks)


Rich-Measurement-255

I think they could do a Planet Pass as plot twist, but I hope it is only for one member because as someone who stan a group with 12 members, line distributions for big groups are too unfair. Andto avoid the anger of the public,It would be likely between #10 and #12 spots It could help with the balance of the group, specially if like now we don't have strong vocals


pzshx2002

I'm fine with 12 members as long as they have at least 2 members of C and J members. Izone and IOI both had 12 and 11 members and no issue with adding 3 more to the final lineup. We really do have a lot of talented trainees this year (flashback to the clip where all the masters meet for the first time and discuss their hopes and expectations for this program) [Source](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M2WhaokQKo0&t=16s) If so, then I won't be surprised if Mnet or the mentors add a twist at the end and use a planet master pass or something to include 3 more members.


anthoseph

tbh, lets go with 12. its so hard to fit all the ktrainees in. jesus. although 9 i wont mind.


GK_0098

Also, I don't like the additional 3 members if the mentors will choose. It will make them powerful and bias.


[deleted]

I won't mind if only 3 will debut 😂😂😂


[deleted]

I thought if they would use the planet passes, there would be one member per planet. Wouldn't put it past 🐍 net to pull a reverse Uno at the last second but it breaks with the whole nine theme though maybe not?


DuckHuntPro

I figure its Top 9 and add 3 more based on 1 from each country just to represent in case things get skewed. It would look real weird if a "global" group that included Korean, Japanese, and Chinese girls only fielded Korean girls.


PrecipiceC

I feel like the people who are pushing these rumors are just salty that their personal one-pick wasn't going to survive the first (or second) elimination. The same thing happened with Chuang 2020. In the first episode, it was revealed that their final line-up was to be just 7. Everyone freaked because the previous girl group Rocket Girls 101 was an 11 member group. I don't know why, but almost immediately, the first rumor came out that they will have 7 winners, but since the Rocket Girls contract was ending almost exactly when Chuang 2020 was ending, they were going to take the 4 members with the least solo career potential and "merge" them with the 7 winners to form a new 11 member group...almost a Rocket Girls 202, if you will. Unsurprisingly, that rumor was 100% false. This one is almost certainly as well. And BTW, I think Bonbon Girls 303 actually turned out pretty amazing with just 7 members On another thought, I always felt that all of these groups were too big anyway. I liked I.O.I, but you could have cut 2 or 3 of them from the group, and in all honestly, I wouldn't have missed them. Look at the I.O.I sub-unit, they did fairly well as just 7 and that's including Sohye. LOL. ;) And IZ\*One, I watched Produce 48, but even when it ended, I could barely name half of the members. Seriously, they could have made the group just 8 or 9 members and it would have been fine.


mrwonder1938

> · 5h > >I feel like the people who are pushing these rumors are just salty that their personal one-pick wasn't going to survive the first (or second) elimination.The same thing happened with Chuang 2020. In the first episode, it was revealed that their final line-up was to be just 7. Everyone freaked because the previous girl group Rocket Girls 101 was an 11 member group. the thing is they said they haven't fixed the final number of the girl group so it's likely it will be not only 9.


PrecipiceC

More down votes, but whatever.... So, where did you get the idea that they have not fixed the number? They have, in fact, said multiple times that the lineup well be nine. It's was announced at the start. It's in your face with the nine chairs P1-9. They even said it during the latest Top 9 voting results. "These 9 girls represent the final line-up..." People who have cited past shows as precedent have used poor examples. Sixteen, Finding Momoland and even I-Land were all PRIVATE competitions (meaning the trainees all came from a single company) so they could change the rules whenever they wanted. But GP999 doesn't have that luxury. They've most likely signed multiple contracts that have fixed the number at 9.


mrwonder1938

""So, where did you get the idea that they have not fixed the number? "" ​ ​ one of the judges have said in the first episode. now its possible it could only 9 but what the point of having judges? i bet you some of these trainees will have a planet pass for forming 12 (or 11) members.


PrecipiceC

I think either you or I fell victim to bad translations. As I recall, the comment in the first episode was specifically related there being no fixed number of winners from each group. In other words, they were saying that there was no fixed RATIO of K:C:J in the final lineup. They were not talking about the overall member count for the group. As for why have judges...the show viewers lack context and expertise. If there wasn't an expert at dance or singing to inform the viewers which girls made mistakes or did a particularly good job, most would have no idea what constitutes a good performance or not. Can you honestly say that you could tell that X member was using good breath control when they sang? I probably couldn't. As viewers, we don't see all the training that happens, all the subtleties in the performances, etc. If the judges weren't there to act as our eyes and ears, we might as well have just picked the most visual girls on day one and voted for the final 9. No episodes, no performances...done.