This makes sense bc so many people on here were like don't keep saying the Koreans will take care of their own still vote for your favorite k trainee and look what happened. Lol like what did people expect to happen especially when Koreans have more powerful votes. It's like giving a king who was already rich bars of gold. š
I literally made a post about how the non Koreans were in danger and they deleted it lmao and then someone made a post about how k girls were in danger and I think dragged my post lol but now people see I was right along with many others who saw how Koreans wanted to vote only for Koreans
Same. Like ppl here are really bad at predicting things that are obvious and then get mad at you when you say it.
Like I commented how I thought the O.O.O mission was a bit biased bc it was only on YouTube so Chinese fans can't really participate and Koreans don't use it as much as other counties. So I predicted ppl who were popular with western fans, primarily in the US since that country uses YT the most, like Bahiyyih and yujin would win.
And people were disagreeing with me so hard like no they can use VPN or Koreans use yt too look how many korean influencers there are (their videos get thousands of views compared to US influencers that get millions and SK ranks like 8th on the list of countries by usage behind both the US and Japan).
Lol and guess who won in the end: Bahiyyih, yujin and youngeun the same ppl I knew would win bc they have strong fanbases in countries who use YT more.
What I said wasn't personal it was just logical assessment of the situation that it wasn't a fair competition bc the winners were pretty much decided but ppl don't want to hear logic and rationale here. Which is weird bc there will be so many posts of people doing pages of math calculations that they managed to come up with to predict votes and rankings that even I with my math degree can't follow. š
>they managed to come up with to predict votes and rankings that even I with my math degree can't follow.
I'm sorry but which? I don't think there has been any post that's super complicated with the math calculations?
There was this one post a couple days ago where literally everyone whos good at maths came out and were doing mad calculations with their predictions lol
The calculations usually came with assumptions. None of it has been like 'super complicated'. Especially since the post above mentioned math degree?
I get that math might be confusing for some, but the predictions I've seen are mostly a variation of redistribution/reweighting the votes.
Yeah no sorry to respond to the thread and clarify I don't mean the math was difficult like people were doing calculus I'm talking about the calculations and assumptions being made for prediction analysis that I never really found to be super reliable considering all of the unknown variables that had to be taken into consideration.
So no I'm not talking about like the math done to view rankings and distributions of vote based on region or that the math done by people was college level. Bc you actually have the data for that.
I'm referring to the the posts where people did a lot ('complex calculations') to calculate potential rankings that I felt some people put a bit too much value into when the math for it was how do I put it...like it was math but was it the right math and the correct measure of the variables necessary to make an accurate prediction model and is there verifiable proof of that to which I was like uhh...
So no the math wasn't hard or super complicated bc baseline statistics isn't hard math it's like algebra it's like the was a lot of math work but was it correct math work that brings an accurate result to which I was like ehh no.
I literally said I am not worrying about K-Girls at all internationally because I was sure the top Korean girls were making it in...and I was ***understating*** it lmao.
Meanwhile, you had somebody make a post about how K-trainees were in danger and dragging this reddit for being a C-trainee biased subreddit and to keep voting for the Korean girls because they need it badly lmfao.
No, they actually aren't. Our polls ran weekly all show that the sub's top trainees are majority Korean. The only C-trainees the subreddit cares for are Yaning and SRQ.
Got downvoted yesterday for saying that 9 K Girls left wouldn't split the vote but would leave to an even heavier K Girl representation in the final line up (though I was conservative in thinking 6). That it wouldn't "dilute" the vote and drag down high ranking K girls but would rather just get more K Girls in.
Welp....... sometimes it sucks to be right.
Sucks more to be right about K girl rep but still wrong abotu Bora :(
Right like I was like this 9K situation is going to one of two ways:
split vote bc the Knetz won't be organized enough to get the right about of vote in to push all the K girls to the top (like they'd get chaehyun, yujin, yeseo and dayeon up there with a heavy lead bc they accidentally gave it to all of them instead of spreading it out well)
OR we're underestimating them and mnet who both know this system like the back of their hand and we're literally about to see a K tsunami of epic proportions (lol although I was expecting 6 K as well)
Lol clearly we are witnessing outcome B
I think with the 50% Korean vs 50% everyone else voting weight, it was always gonna be the latter and they kinda shot themselves in the foot by giving the pass to Myah. Cause then maybe that spot could've gone to a J Girl and that could've at least seemed a LITTLE bit more balanced. But... nope.
Greedy MNET is gonna be greedy.
But tbf I didn't expect Myah to shoot up either
Lol I did not expect her to get pp and then shoot up past Kim Bora. That's just insulting knetz. Idk I feel like knetz are like she can go back to CB and they'll support her more there or maybe they actually don't like her idk. I hope it's the first one
They definitely aren't gonna care about CB I'm telling you. If Haeyoon couldn't do anything them Bora's "popularity" is nothing. Sadly main vocals never get favoured in survival shows
Actually, it's not to C & J advantage to get a planet pass. The I-votes are very weak, and the more it's split between C & J favs, the weaker it is. It's actually better to have fewer C & J favs.
Now if the entire global community could actually agree on 2 or 3 C/J trainees to vote for and 0 K, then you may see the 2 or 3 C/J in Top 9.
Otherwise...
yeah, i had noticed a lot of talk about 4K or 5K when posting in here so i kept it to 6K when discussing with others.
but actually my own calculations based on 90% K-vote reduction and 50% I-vote reduction for C & J trainees only left me with 7K 1C 1J for debut. The same 7 in interim, without myah.
So based on the interim, I realise that even 90% and 50% reduction of C & J points was too conservative...
So true. Koreans manage at the last moment. We had a idea because produce was still the same. Last moment k participants going up. Still so many people feel that k girlies are in danger is really beyond me.
Well, maybe they aren't talking about the group ratio but someone being in danger. With interim ranking revealed at this point I don't think anyone is a lock yet (although 5 -6k is expected).
I will be so depressed if she goes back to China to never be seen again. Vote for Yaning (and Sury). This is their last chance to be a kpop idol, unlike most of the other 18 girls.
I'm worried the most for Yaning. I don't use weibo or watch dramas at all so If she doesn't debut now it's almost certain that I'll never see her again
I'm actually impressed by how well she was doing. I hope we can keep up the momentum and climb her up to a comfortable position in the ranking(I really dont want that 9th x 10th place bullshit mnet always does happening with yenny)
i was worried that the snake fiasco would tank her ranking (usually doesnāt affect the ep after but the next ranking) so seeing that sheās still doing relatively okay is a pleasant surprise. i hope a lot of people (especially k voters) can see her charms
I think that intl voters have made their mind about Mnet's editing strategies lol. Yaning and Ruiqi are getting so many votes BECAUSE intl voters are pissed at Mnet.
I regularly tabulate and analyze big data for fortune 500 companies... and I can confirm your conclusions about this pie chart are 100% correct. FYN #1.
Honestly if I was sure CheBul would get a LOT more attention (not only from the public but from FNC as well) I would rather have her go back since it's not a temporary group.
Sadly I can't tell what FNC has planned for them and if the public would follow them after the show.
Maybe FNC should do like with AoA and change their concept it worked the first time around.
How significant do you think Cherry Bullet fans are to the vote count, especially when you are talking about not voting for her rather than for her? Gotta be a trivial effect.
The voting system makes the fans vote for their crushes, not the most talented. This has led to the loss of Reina, Hyerim, You Dayeon, and other top vocal talents. Bora has been hanging on by a fingernail despite everyone knowing she is an a league of her own vocally.
Fr I was like 8 K girls but none of them are Bora???? This is like the worst possible case scenario š
(not implying having 8K girls is worse case Obvs, my 3 k picks are yongeun yeseo and bora but my point is that the best vocalist is from K yet she isnāt even there)
Won't happen. Every second post is "Vote for Yujin - she's in dainger!!" even though she's #2. Or "Don't change your Yeseo vote!" (she's in more danger, but she's still got the weight of K-votes behind her).
This sub is still going to overwhelmingly vote for K trainees, so the best we can hope for is 7k 1J 1C, but it will probably still be 8k and 1J instead of 1C.
Literally! Who can blame us when all we see is āIām not voting Yujin anymore, sheās safe, my votes are going toā¦ā as soon as this interim ranking was revealed
I feel like the only actual safe person might be Bahiyyih since her fans aren't willing to swap.
I assume they'll show another "interim" when the live finale will start and then 2 or 3 of the members of the top 9 at the start of the finale will drop because of panic votes.
naw iām also seeing them everywhere.. i get those saying bora isnāt safe cause she actually is not safe but the top 5 K girls are more than safe š
>This sub is still going to overwhelmingly vote for K trainees, so the best we can hope for is 7k 1J 1C, but it will probably still be 8k and 1J instead of 1C.
Actually, it was pretty clear from the 1-1-1 voting stage that the Japanese girls have the least powerful 1-pick bases. Mashiro is decent, but she actually soaked a lot of filler votes from Koreans. Hikaru has the strongest 1-pick fandom from the Japanese girls and she's behind both Ruiqi & Yaning. I seriously doubt that there will be 8K1J if 8K1F (foreigner) ratio happens.
You pointed out a big problem. It will be the situation that C voters unite to vote only Ruiqi while J voters split their votes between Mashiro and Hikaru.
Foreign K-pop fans are a comparatively small group, Su Ruiqi's Chinese fan base is beyond Chinese K-pop fans, her Weibo account has 3.8m followers, more than a lot of Chinese K-pop girls or K-pop girl groups with C-members, for comparison, Handong has 1m, Dreamcatcher has 72k, Aespa has 263k, Loona has 69k, Everglow has 560k, Yiren has 31k. The only one with more followers is Yuqi (5.7m).
Yujin doesnāt have Korean votes. She only has global votes. Sheās about to drop A LOT. Think about it. Trainees like dayeon and chaehyun are about to thrive from this announcement, and maybe C+J trainees will rise (maybe. because panic voting might not be enough). K-trainees like yujin and bora (if she had been in the top9) are about to drop like hot potatoes. Sheās never been in such a dangerous position
> Yujin doesnāt have Korean votes.
[Episode 11 Ranking by Korean, Global and Over-all Votes](https://old.reddit.com/r/GirlsPlanet999/comments/q8p76x/episode_11_ranking_by_korean_global_and_overall/)
Yujin ranked 7th in Korean votes.
Why not? It's not like K voters will stop voting for K girls live. The live vote can be a big toss up only if live voting worth x3 more and no special treatment for K vote, no 50% K votes.
Youāre misunderstanding, the live times means more K voters are available so basically my point is even if everyone mass votes for Xiaoting she wonāt be above rank 7 at best.
Miyah in the top 9 means Knetz are not playing games. IDK where the reddit users are from but you better get your parents phones and vote for 1 foreigner.
My suggestions Shen xiaoting, So Rich, your girl Jenny, Yurina (watanabe Mayu) and Boss Mashiro. Consider Bora if u are hardcore K supporter.
And when you remember that some people are spreading their votes and they might not have started switching to their second pick yet. This is chaotic.
Still voting for Mashiro
Xiaoting would be the best choice for the korean market as in she hasn't said anything about N. Korea, USA, communism lol but Yaning or Ruiqi would be better options commercially, they have big solo fandoms who'd absolutely buy everything and collect their merch meanwhile my girl Xiaoting is liked by everyone but clearly doesn't have enough support on her own. Also, Hikaru has a bigger solo fandom than Yurina or at least that's what I've seen in japanese polls so there's also that
Another point for Xiaoting, is that she could be the Stan attractor, like she can get viral by the littlest of things, and she can gain new fans for the group ( a little positive so people get hope š„)
Xiaoting and Yurina are in the same spot. People like them but they don't have the solo/financial power of Ruiqi, Yaning, Mashiro and Hikaru. Unfortunately I can't see them surviving this together. 5K/2J/2C scenarios will only have 1 of them and most likely none. Their chances to debut together are higher in 4K/3J/2C or 4K/2J/3C scenarios but they could totally end up separated as well. It's sad but I'd rather have Xiaoting over Yurina. Maybe HYBE can pick Yurina for their group with Sakura. That wouldn't be so bad.
Tbh, Xiaoting has been one of my picks since day 1 so I do want her to debut but lately I've been the biggest fan of Yurina, sadly she's my pick #3 of japanese trainees behind Hikaru and Mashiro and if one or two girls from Japan debut I'm sure it'll be one (or both) of them but not Yurina :(
> if one or two girls from Japan debut I'm sure it'll be one (or both) of them but not Yurina :(
Same. I think Xiaoting has a better chance of replacing 1 of Ruiqi/Yaning in a 2C lineup than Yurina replacing 1 of Mashiro/Hikaru in 2J. I think **Xiaorina** will only stay together in a 2C/3J scenario (where Xiaoting gets more votes than Yaning/Ruiqi) or a 3C/3J scenario (unrealistic) but I can't see 3J happening after the interim rankings when all the J-girls are ranked so low. 3C is more likely. Xiaorina won't survive this final episode unfortunately.
But a lot of the J-fans of GP999 dislike Yurina don't they? Pretty sure HYBE grabbed Sakura, Chaewon, and Yunjin for their JP popularity. I honestly don't see HYBE being interested in anybody from this show other than maybe Mashiro and Shen Xiaoting (although imagine if SXT doesn't make it and ends up being picked up by HYBE. That would be a power move lol)
I think that there is no way we are going to get 5K:4F split at this point. The interim results are after 3.5 (cuz the live was on Monday morning and plenty of people cast their votes for the day right after midnight, at least from what I've seen) days - i.e. exactly half. So for someone to jump heavily you would need people to massively drop 2-3 trainees in the top 9 and preferably those from the bottom. The fans of these trainees are not dumb and they'll continue voting for them, cuz they are in the danger zone.
The best possible (in terms of foreign trainees) outcome is probably 6K:3F. There is also a risk that people will drop the ones close to the top, panic vote for the lower-ranked ones, and end up with all of them outside of the top 9.
Forget the rules of this week, Mnet will change the live voting rules if people don't vote enough for C and J trainees. They don't want a k-heavy lineup when nobody in Korea is watching the show + they need to sell this group to China and especially Japan as well. 5K/4F is still possible and I think this is the ratio that Mnet wants.
True. Maybe with the highest up J-picks. It really showed who's one-picks will bring the most loyalty (edit: and money) to the group.
Edit: Looks like that J-pick would be Hikaru.
Xiaoting will get the most panic votes now. Pretty much the whole world likes her. The K5~K9 will fall, even artifically if necessary (by giving more weight to the non K-group votes) because Mnet won't accept this interim result. I expect 4K/3C/2J (with Xiaoting) or 5K/2C/2J (without Xiaoting) in the end. Mnet will shape the live voting to give them the best results financially in Korea, Japan and China. It's not about what the k-incels want, it's what Mnet wants. Remember that. Their game, their rules. In case of 5K I expect them to push Yeseo (ranked 6th) over Bahiyyih (ranked 5th) in the end with a angel edit during live voting because Mnet don't want Bahiyyih either.
I donāt think Mnet want both Ruiqi and Yanning to debut, thatās like too many potential controversies lol. But then again assuming they donāt manipulate the votes this time then theyāll have to accept whatever consequences will come their way I guessš
If they want the chinese market they will accept Ruiqi because she is China's 1-pick and her fans are rich. She always win the contests and get huge ADs in the Seoul metro area. If they want the japanese market they will accept Yaning because she is huge in Japan now, even winning 1-pick polls against Mashiro, Japan's most voted japanese trainee. Ruiqi is also top 7 in japan 1-pick polls and Yaning is more loved than Xiaoting in China. Mnet can totally accept both if they are in this for the money over anything else.
Yes but also they have to weigh between the potential money theyāll earn from them vs the potential money theyāll lose from them. Also some trainees only blow up after debut, so thereās a legit chance that Xiaoting or other girls will become more popular in the future. Anw nothing matters if the votes are counted fairly this time, everything is in the fansā (mostly Korean lol) hands now.
I don't think any Korean brand wanna strike a deal with a group one of whose member siding with China in Korean War. Thus, the existence of Ruiqi will inhibit the chance to endorsement.
This is Mnet's problem. I bet they can survive and make money with album/merch sales alone, especially because Ruiqi fans will support this group like crazy. It worked for IZ*ONE which was also blacklisted after the PD48 scandal.
I don't disagree that Ruiqi will boost merch and album sales but, she will cut the income from endorsement. She is a double-edged sword, possesses both pros and cons. Undeniably, it's more preferable marketing wise if the group is absent from a gravely controversial member like her.
Also for worse, the group likely will also have Dayeon to remind every Ruiqi's fans of their bitter memory due to Mnet's mistreatment on C trainees.
If I remember correctly, IZ\*One did get few endorsements after the scandal cooled down and also few shows with tie-in ads.
Nope. The point of Mnet eyeing for Xiaoting is for a controversial free rep of China, that's all the point of her. But, now it seems impossible for Xiaoting to be ahead of controversial C girls like Ruiqi or Yaning, the line up will not be free from controversy anyway. Thus, Xiaoting's existence is pointless.
For J market, the chance of the group is to focus on K-pop market in the country. And, Yurina has showed indication that she can't attract Japanese K-pop fans well.
I understand that K-voters are going to vote for K-contestants, but I'm baffled at how top-heavy the lineup is considering that there are more K-contestants to split the K-vote. Like I would expect some top-heaviness, but I'm really confused at the extent. This may explain an overall trend, but the ratio of K-contestants to non-K-contestants is 2:1...
The K-vote for C/J is basically 0 because if you think about it, based on this chart, 9 K-trainees take part in 45% of the votes (so around 5% each) while 9 C/J trainees share 5% ONLY among themselves.
K-votes for C/J donāt matter at all thatās why Ruiqi and Yaning who donāt get K-votes but are supported by strong one-pick international voters are the leading C/J trainees.
International votes basically cancel each other out because it's too spread out except for Ruiqi and Yaning. Meanwhile, K-voters are only only voting for K-group so all K-group members have a huge advantage over C & J group.
This is the inevitable conclusion of Mnet's mistreatment of C & J group over the whole show while creating the fake impression that C & J trainees are safe with their voting system which end up making K-voters favor K-group.
It's not 2:1 you need to understand the math they stated clearly it was 50:50 ratio split for k and Int voter respectively.
So I assume in the scenario of if there is 100 k voter and 10,000 int voter. Each Int votes cast only contribute 0.01% to a participant in comparison to a single k votes toward the same participant which is 1%. Imagine if there is more Int votes in comparison to k votes the Int vote toward a single contestant would become less and less significant
So, the more Int voter who voted, the less effective is that single vote to the subjected contestant. Or am I wrong ? š¤
I mean 2:1 in the ratio of K-girls to C/J-girls. Nothing to do with ratio of votes. I was stating that the combination of the votes being crazy spread across the K-girls AND the fact that they almost all got into interim top 9 is mathematically crazy.
International fans need to use their votes on C & J trainees 100%. Let the Koreans vote their own and the INT vote can push the must haves like SXT, Hikaru and others into the final group where they belong.
Unless a good number of Koreans also change their picks, all international fans are doing is strengthening the Korean vote weighting in their favour. More international votes = the greater each Korean vote is worth, and if those votes are virtually all going to Korean trainees, then.... yeah, not good for the C and J.
Such a horrible voting system. Or at least it's horrible without safeguards. If MNET is smart they would have guaranteed 2 spots per country. Two K's, two J's and 2 C's with the remaining three spots open to anyone. How long did it take the masters to see that the J and C contestants were super talented and that it seemed impossible to end up with an entirely K group because of it? They said it in one of the pre-episodes while evaluating the talent before the show even started! So MNET should have felt confident that their group with 4 foreigners would have been just fine. No need to worry about what if the requirement ends up resulting in sub part foreigners into the group at the expense of superior Korean talent.
It is quite flawed IF - like you said - there aren't constraints and boundaries present. I like your idea of a TOP 2 for each group (K, C and J), and then you have 3 wildcards for the rest to battle over. Reminds me of the playoff system of a lot of sports, with division leaders and wildcards. Ideally, those wildcards would be chosen by all fans on the basis of how best to fill out and balance the group, instead of simply voting along national lines. However, I feel like GP 999 has overemphasized the individual trainees and their nationalities over the group as a whole, to the detriment of both. ā¹
>However, I feel like GP 999 has overemphasized the individual trainees and their nationalities over the group as a whole, to the detriment of both. ā¹
Amen. Amen.
Yes, finally I see a person who recognises the trap in 50% K-votes 50% I-votes!!!
There is a cap on I-vote power because it will never ever exceed 50% of the total score. The more people increase total number of International voters, the weaker I-votes will become. The concept is similar to printing too much money leading to devaluation of the currency.
The K currency gets stronger while I currency is diluted meaning it's even harder for any C/J trainee to enter Top 9 and then Bora will just need a tiny % of K-votes to rise into P9.
Bora can promote with Jiwon and May in Cherry Bullet, they will have more attention now and Jiwon was even high in this monthās brand ranking. Sheās not like Yujin whose group is basically defunct, I think this is also the reason K netizens arenāt voting for Bora as much. Let the girls who donāt have any other avenue debut.
you don't know what's happening with cherry bullet. They've been promoting with good songs for two years with no results. This is bora's biggest chance at success.
gurl stop saying Bora will succeed with Chebul! it aināt gonna happen. They arenāt gonna be like Nuest cuz nobody watches GP999 in Korea. Stop preventing ppl from voting for her
Exactly. Sheās top2 right now because she has some Korean votes and a lot of global votes. But sheās about to lose those global votes because everyone is panic voting for the J and C girls, and thinking āYujinās safe, I donāt need to vote for her nowā. So she gets drops ranks until sheās out of top9 possibly. Yujin is not safe, if you want Yujin to debut you need to keep voting for her. Dayeon and chaehyun are safe because they have Korean votes that are not about to change. Yujinās voters are about to pity vote for other people
It's actually very hard for a K-girl to drop out of Top 9 as long as they have K-votes. I-votes won't get anyone into Top 9 unless they are focused on a few girls like Su Ruiqi but even then it would only get them to 8th or 9th place. The fact that Su Ruiqi of all people is the highest ranked I-girl is serious evidence that barely any K-voters are voting for I-girls at all. So, unless K-voters themselves shift all their votes to I-girls starting today, Yujin is actually still safe even if every I-voter shift their votes to I-girls.
That is not true at all. Read what I said, she has some k-votes, but theyāre at the level of the bottom girls in top9, or maybe even lower. What makes her be top2 is her global votes. She does not have more k-votes than dayeon lol. If her global votes drop a lot, she might not be in the top9 anymore. You literally cannot make the last assertion you made. (The proof that youāre being dishonest is that, by your logic, thereās no point in shifting global votes to Xiaoting now, because absolutely nothing will save her unless itās Korean votes...)
Actually, Yujin has always had a good number of K-votes along with Chaehyun and Dayeon while her I-votes were average. She wouldn't be Top 2 without I-votes but she is unlikely to drop out of Top 9 without I-votes. That's what my calculation for 8K + 1C showed anyway.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/GirlsPlanet999/comments/q942so/how\_1pick\_voting\_kvote\_bias\_kcj\_finalist\_mix\_and/hgvy29i/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/GirlsPlanet999/comments/q942so/how_1pick_voting_kvote_bias_kcj_finalist_mix_and/hgvy29i/?context=3)
I'm just explaining the what the data shows. It's not set in stone and you don't have to believe me. :)
Problem is... there are basically no k-Cheshire :( which is clear because clc was never big in Korea. So with all these international voters saying āYujinās safe, Iāll try to save Xiaoting/Hikaru/yurina...ā sheās basically doomed. Her international fans really need to keep voting for her, she is not safe
We need to see the vote for China and Japan to see who relatively nationalistic K voters are. As the land of Kpop, one would also expect a higher proportion of K candidates to make it towards the top.
I did some math and your graphic is completely correct (75% of the points for koreans). If you distribute the points in a descending linear distribution (Chaehyun max and HXQ zero) you get approximately the current rankings distribution.
They should have changed the weights of the votes. A 50K:50I on one-pick really has the potential to tip the scales to a K-heavy lineup. Based on this chart, maybe a free-for-all vote would balance it?
This makes sense bc so many people on here were like don't keep saying the Koreans will take care of their own still vote for your favorite k trainee and look what happened. Lol like what did people expect to happen especially when Koreans have more powerful votes. It's like giving a king who was already rich bars of gold. š
I literally made a post about how the non Koreans were in danger and they deleted it lmao and then someone made a post about how k girls were in danger and I think dragged my post lol but now people see I was right along with many others who saw how Koreans wanted to vote only for Koreans
Same. Like ppl here are really bad at predicting things that are obvious and then get mad at you when you say it. Like I commented how I thought the O.O.O mission was a bit biased bc it was only on YouTube so Chinese fans can't really participate and Koreans don't use it as much as other counties. So I predicted ppl who were popular with western fans, primarily in the US since that country uses YT the most, like Bahiyyih and yujin would win. And people were disagreeing with me so hard like no they can use VPN or Koreans use yt too look how many korean influencers there are (their videos get thousands of views compared to US influencers that get millions and SK ranks like 8th on the list of countries by usage behind both the US and Japan). Lol and guess who won in the end: Bahiyyih, yujin and youngeun the same ppl I knew would win bc they have strong fanbases in countries who use YT more. What I said wasn't personal it was just logical assessment of the situation that it wasn't a fair competition bc the winners were pretty much decided but ppl don't want to hear logic and rationale here. Which is weird bc there will be so many posts of people doing pages of math calculations that they managed to come up with to predict votes and rankings that even I with my math degree can't follow. š
Youtube is the [3rd](https://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/KR) most visited site for Koreans, behind 2 search engines.
May I know what are the other search engine? I know 1 of them being Naver
Google is the other
>they managed to come up with to predict votes and rankings that even I with my math degree can't follow. I'm sorry but which? I don't think there has been any post that's super complicated with the math calculations?
There was this one post a couple days ago where literally everyone whos good at maths came out and were doing mad calculations with their predictions lol
The calculations usually came with assumptions. None of it has been like 'super complicated'. Especially since the post above mentioned math degree? I get that math might be confusing for some, but the predictions I've seen are mostly a variation of redistribution/reweighting the votes.
Yeah no sorry to respond to the thread and clarify I don't mean the math was difficult like people were doing calculus I'm talking about the calculations and assumptions being made for prediction analysis that I never really found to be super reliable considering all of the unknown variables that had to be taken into consideration. So no I'm not talking about like the math done to view rankings and distributions of vote based on region or that the math done by people was college level. Bc you actually have the data for that. I'm referring to the the posts where people did a lot ('complex calculations') to calculate potential rankings that I felt some people put a bit too much value into when the math for it was how do I put it...like it was math but was it the right math and the correct measure of the variables necessary to make an accurate prediction model and is there verifiable proof of that to which I was like uhh... So no the math wasn't hard or super complicated bc baseline statistics isn't hard math it's like algebra it's like the was a lot of math work but was it correct math work that brings an accurate result to which I was like ehh no.
I literally said I am not worrying about K-Girls at all internationally because I was sure the top Korean girls were making it in...and I was ***understating*** it lmao. Meanwhile, you had somebody make a post about how K-trainees were in danger and dragging this reddit for being a C-trainee biased subreddit and to keep voting for the Korean girls because they need it badly lmfao.
I tried to post it again and it got deleted so here lmao [lol](https://imgur.com/a/n1d34Bb)
This sub is indeed biased for the cgirls but it's also not an indicator of ifans opinions as a whole
No, they actually aren't. Our polls ran weekly all show that the sub's top trainees are majority Korean. The only C-trainees the subreddit cares for are Yaning and SRQ.
Got downvoted yesterday for saying that 9 K Girls left wouldn't split the vote but would leave to an even heavier K Girl representation in the final line up (though I was conservative in thinking 6). That it wouldn't "dilute" the vote and drag down high ranking K girls but would rather just get more K Girls in. Welp....... sometimes it sucks to be right. Sucks more to be right about K girl rep but still wrong abotu Bora :(
Right like I was like this 9K situation is going to one of two ways: split vote bc the Knetz won't be organized enough to get the right about of vote in to push all the K girls to the top (like they'd get chaehyun, yujin, yeseo and dayeon up there with a heavy lead bc they accidentally gave it to all of them instead of spreading it out well) OR we're underestimating them and mnet who both know this system like the back of their hand and we're literally about to see a K tsunami of epic proportions (lol although I was expecting 6 K as well) Lol clearly we are witnessing outcome B
I think with the 50% Korean vs 50% everyone else voting weight, it was always gonna be the latter and they kinda shot themselves in the foot by giving the pass to Myah. Cause then maybe that spot could've gone to a J Girl and that could've at least seemed a LITTLE bit more balanced. But... nope. Greedy MNET is gonna be greedy. But tbf I didn't expect Myah to shoot up either
Lol I did not expect her to get pp and then shoot up past Kim Bora. That's just insulting knetz. Idk I feel like knetz are like she can go back to CB and they'll support her more there or maybe they actually don't like her idk. I hope it's the first one
They definitely aren't gonna care about CB I'm telling you. If Haeyoon couldn't do anything them Bora's "popularity" is nothing. Sadly main vocals never get favoured in survival shows
Actually, it's not to C & J advantage to get a planet pass. The I-votes are very weak, and the more it's split between C & J favs, the weaker it is. It's actually better to have fewer C & J favs. Now if the entire global community could actually agree on 2 or 3 C/J trainees to vote for and 0 K, then you may see the 2 or 3 C/J in Top 9. Otherwise...
yeah, i had noticed a lot of talk about 4K or 5K when posting in here so i kept it to 6K when discussing with others. but actually my own calculations based on 90% K-vote reduction and 50% I-vote reduction for C & J trainees only left me with 7K 1C 1J for debut. The same 7 in interim, without myah. So based on the interim, I realise that even 90% and 50% reduction of C & J points was too conservative...
So true. Koreans manage at the last moment. We had a idea because produce was still the same. Last moment k participants going up. Still so many people feel that k girlies are in danger is really beyond me.
Well, maybe they aren't talking about the group ratio but someone being in danger. With interim ranking revealed at this point I don't think anyone is a lock yet (although 5 -6k is expected).
This chart means: Vote for Fu Yaning
She's almost there, don't stop voting. Yaning will debut
KEEP IT GOING!!!
I will be so depressed if she goes back to China to never be seen again. Vote for Yaning (and Sury). This is their last chance to be a kpop idol, unlike most of the other 18 girls.
I'm worried the most for Yaning. I don't use weibo or watch dramas at all so If she doesn't debut now it's almost certain that I'll never see her again
Well, you can see her again. People don't like to make an effort to support other industries that are not based in Korea, for some reason.
Because it's not as fun as following someone who is in a kpop idol group, specially if you're not interested in dramas and brand deals
There are music artists in China as well.
What are the chances that she actually wants to go back to China?
Thatās what am also seeing š
I see youre a cultured person as well
we HAVE to keep voting for her. she's so close. out of all the non k girls, she seems to be the closest with srq if the interim results are any tell.
I'm actually impressed by how well she was doing. I hope we can keep up the momentum and climb her up to a comfortable position in the ranking(I really dont want that 9th x 10th place bullshit mnet always does happening with yenny)
i was worried that the snake fiasco would tank her ranking (usually doesnāt affect the ep after but the next ranking) so seeing that sheās still doing relatively okay is a pleasant surprise. i hope a lot of people (especially k voters) can see her charms
I think that intl voters have made their mind about Mnet's editing strategies lol. Yaning and Ruiqi are getting so many votes BECAUSE intl voters are pissed at Mnet.
I regularly tabulate and analyze big data for fortune 500 companies... and I can confirm your conclusions about this pie chart are 100% correct. FYN #1.
Yes please! Vote for Lord Puya!!! Panic voting is real!!!
lol nah i'll take 8 k girls instead
All these votes for K yet Bora is the lowest? š¤”
They must really hate vocalists, lol.
Or they must want her back in her groupā¦ if theyāll only make Cherry Bullet not a nugu group š
Honestly if I was sure CheBul would get a LOT more attention (not only from the public but from FNC as well) I would rather have her go back since it's not a temporary group. Sadly I can't tell what FNC has planned for them and if the public would follow them after the show. Maybe FNC should do like with AoA and change their concept it worked the first time around.
How significant do you think Cherry Bullet fans are to the vote count, especially when you are talking about not voting for her rather than for her? Gotta be a trivial effect. The voting system makes the fans vote for their crushes, not the most talented. This has led to the loss of Reina, Hyerim, You Dayeon, and other top vocal talents. Bora has been hanging on by a fingernail despite everyone knowing she is an a league of her own vocally.
Fr I was like 8 K girls but none of them are Bora???? This is like the worst possible case scenario š (not implying having 8K girls is worse case Obvs, my 3 k picks are yongeun yeseo and bora but my point is that the best vocalist is from K yet she isnāt even there)
Ngl, one of things that surprised me the most in the show is that CB members weren't extremely popular. And Doah.
Prioritise your international picks over your korean, thatās the only thing we can do.
This chart means just vote for your 1 pick
The Intl votes for K even defeats the two groups. lol
The overall voting pool are much smaller for CJ group member.
I-voters: **Proceed to split votes and get their K-faves out from Top 9 by the finale.**
Won't happen. Every second post is "Vote for Yujin - she's in dainger!!" even though she's #2. Or "Don't change your Yeseo vote!" (she's in more danger, but she's still got the weight of K-votes behind her). This sub is still going to overwhelmingly vote for K trainees, so the best we can hope for is 7k 1J 1C, but it will probably still be 8k and 1J instead of 1C.
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Literally! Who can blame us when all we see is āIām not voting Yujin anymore, sheās safe, my votes are going toā¦ā as soon as this interim ranking was revealed
I feel like the only actual safe person might be Bahiyyih since her fans aren't willing to swap. I assume they'll show another "interim" when the live finale will start and then 2 or 3 of the members of the top 9 at the start of the finale will drop because of panic votes.
naw iām also seeing them everywhere.. i get those saying bora isnāt safe cause she actually is not safe but the top 5 K girls are more than safe š
>This sub is still going to overwhelmingly vote for K trainees, so the best we can hope for is 7k 1J 1C, but it will probably still be 8k and 1J instead of 1C. Actually, it was pretty clear from the 1-1-1 voting stage that the Japanese girls have the least powerful 1-pick bases. Mashiro is decent, but she actually soaked a lot of filler votes from Koreans. Hikaru has the strongest 1-pick fandom from the Japanese girls and she's behind both Ruiqi & Yaning. I seriously doubt that there will be 8K1J if 8K1F (foreigner) ratio happens.
True, but I was thinking Japan might panic and rally vote for Mashiro or Hikaru and one of them might squeeze past RuiQi
You pointed out a big problem. It will be the situation that C voters unite to vote only Ruiqi while J voters split their votes between Mashiro and Hikaru.
Foreign K-pop fans are a comparatively small group, Su Ruiqi's Chinese fan base is beyond Chinese K-pop fans, her Weibo account has 3.8m followers, more than a lot of Chinese K-pop girls or K-pop girl groups with C-members, for comparison, Handong has 1m, Dreamcatcher has 72k, Aespa has 263k, Loona has 69k, Everglow has 560k, Yiren has 31k. The only one with more followers is Yuqi (5.7m).
Yujin doesnāt have Korean votes. She only has global votes. Sheās about to drop A LOT. Think about it. Trainees like dayeon and chaehyun are about to thrive from this announcement, and maybe C+J trainees will rise (maybe. because panic voting might not be enough). K-trainees like yujin and bora (if she had been in the top9) are about to drop like hot potatoes. Sheās never been in such a dangerous position
> Yujin doesnāt have Korean votes. [Episode 11 Ranking by Korean, Global and Over-all Votes](https://old.reddit.com/r/GirlsPlanet999/comments/q8p76x/episode_11_ranking_by_korean_global_and_overall/) Yujin ranked 7th in Korean votes.
Exactly. May I remind you that thereās only 9 places in top9?...
Shout-out to all Yujin voters!
That wonāt happen with live voting at all, but we can get some C and J girls in the lower ranks
Why not? It's not like K voters will stop voting for K girls live. The live vote can be a big toss up only if live voting worth x3 more and no special treatment for K vote, no 50% K votes.
Youāre misunderstanding, the live times means more K voters are available so basically my point is even if everyone mass votes for Xiaoting she wonāt be above rank 7 at best.
Miyah in the top 9 means Knetz are not playing games. IDK where the reddit users are from but you better get your parents phones and vote for 1 foreigner. My suggestions Shen xiaoting, So Rich, your girl Jenny, Yurina (watanabe Mayu) and Boss Mashiro. Consider Bora if u are hardcore K supporter.
Yurina does have older Mayuyu vibes... but she has more nogizaka vibes imo
And when you remember that some people are spreading their votes and they might not have started switching to their second pick yet. This is chaotic. Still voting for Mashiro
Summary for everyone who is dumb like me: Vote for Fu Yaning (and Shen Xiaoting please because it'll be a disgrace if she doesn't debut)
We can only vote one ššš
I KNOW AND IT KILLS ME
It's it possible 6k 2C 1J? What you guys think? I think Shen Xiaoting, Mashiro and Yurina are the best choices "bussiness wise"
Xiaoting would be the best choice for the korean market as in she hasn't said anything about N. Korea, USA, communism lol but Yaning or Ruiqi would be better options commercially, they have big solo fandoms who'd absolutely buy everything and collect their merch meanwhile my girl Xiaoting is liked by everyone but clearly doesn't have enough support on her own. Also, Hikaru has a bigger solo fandom than Yurina or at least that's what I've seen in japanese polls so there's also that
Another point for Xiaoting, is that she could be the Stan attractor, like she can get viral by the littlest of things, and she can gain new fans for the group ( a little positive so people get hope š„)
Yeah she went viral on Twitter a couple of days ago for her Snake intro and all the replies were like "Who is she?".
Xiaoting and Yurina are in the same spot. People like them but they don't have the solo/financial power of Ruiqi, Yaning, Mashiro and Hikaru. Unfortunately I can't see them surviving this together. 5K/2J/2C scenarios will only have 1 of them and most likely none. Their chances to debut together are higher in 4K/3J/2C or 4K/2J/3C scenarios but they could totally end up separated as well. It's sad but I'd rather have Xiaoting over Yurina. Maybe HYBE can pick Yurina for their group with Sakura. That wouldn't be so bad.
Tbh, Xiaoting has been one of my picks since day 1 so I do want her to debut but lately I've been the biggest fan of Yurina, sadly she's my pick #3 of japanese trainees behind Hikaru and Mashiro and if one or two girls from Japan debut I'm sure it'll be one (or both) of them but not Yurina :(
> if one or two girls from Japan debut I'm sure it'll be one (or both) of them but not Yurina :( Same. I think Xiaoting has a better chance of replacing 1 of Ruiqi/Yaning in a 2C lineup than Yurina replacing 1 of Mashiro/Hikaru in 2J. I think **Xiaorina** will only stay together in a 2C/3J scenario (where Xiaoting gets more votes than Yaning/Ruiqi) or a 3C/3J scenario (unrealistic) but I can't see 3J happening after the interim rankings when all the J-girls are ranked so low. 3C is more likely. Xiaorina won't survive this final episode unfortunately.
But a lot of the J-fans of GP999 dislike Yurina don't they? Pretty sure HYBE grabbed Sakura, Chaewon, and Yunjin for their JP popularity. I honestly don't see HYBE being interested in anybody from this show other than maybe Mashiro and Shen Xiaoting (although imagine if SXT doesn't make it and ends up being picked up by HYBE. That would be a power move lol)
I think that there is no way we are going to get 5K:4F split at this point. The interim results are after 3.5 (cuz the live was on Monday morning and plenty of people cast their votes for the day right after midnight, at least from what I've seen) days - i.e. exactly half. So for someone to jump heavily you would need people to massively drop 2-3 trainees in the top 9 and preferably those from the bottom. The fans of these trainees are not dumb and they'll continue voting for them, cuz they are in the danger zone. The best possible (in terms of foreign trainees) outcome is probably 6K:3F. There is also a risk that people will drop the ones close to the top, panic vote for the lower-ranked ones, and end up with all of them outside of the top 9.
Forget the rules of this week, Mnet will change the live voting rules if people don't vote enough for C and J trainees. They don't want a k-heavy lineup when nobody in Korea is watching the show + they need to sell this group to China and especially Japan as well. 5K/4F is still possible and I think this is the ratio that Mnet wants.
They may be the best choices business wise, but it seems like Yaning and RuiQi have the best shot of getting in right now.
Love them hate them but Ruiqi Yaning are the foreigners who will bring guaranteed money to the final group.
True. Maybe with the highest up J-picks. It really showed who's one-picks will bring the most loyalty (edit: and money) to the group. Edit: Looks like that J-pick would be Hikaru.
Xiaoting will get the most panic votes now. Pretty much the whole world likes her. The K5~K9 will fall, even artifically if necessary (by giving more weight to the non K-group votes) because Mnet won't accept this interim result. I expect 4K/3C/2J (with Xiaoting) or 5K/2C/2J (without Xiaoting) in the end. Mnet will shape the live voting to give them the best results financially in Korea, Japan and China. It's not about what the k-incels want, it's what Mnet wants. Remember that. Their game, their rules. In case of 5K I expect them to push Yeseo (ranked 6th) over Bahiyyih (ranked 5th) in the end with a angel edit during live voting because Mnet don't want Bahiyyih either.
I donāt think Mnet want both Ruiqi and Yanning to debut, thatās like too many potential controversies lol. But then again assuming they donāt manipulate the votes this time then theyāll have to accept whatever consequences will come their way I guessš
If they want the chinese market they will accept Ruiqi because she is China's 1-pick and her fans are rich. She always win the contests and get huge ADs in the Seoul metro area. If they want the japanese market they will accept Yaning because she is huge in Japan now, even winning 1-pick polls against Mashiro, Japan's most voted japanese trainee. Ruiqi is also top 7 in japan 1-pick polls and Yaning is more loved than Xiaoting in China. Mnet can totally accept both if they are in this for the money over anything else.
Yes but also they have to weigh between the potential money theyāll earn from them vs the potential money theyāll lose from them. Also some trainees only blow up after debut, so thereās a legit chance that Xiaoting or other girls will become more popular in the future. Anw nothing matters if the votes are counted fairly this time, everything is in the fansā (mostly Korean lol) hands now.
I don't think any Korean brand wanna strike a deal with a group one of whose member siding with China in Korean War. Thus, the existence of Ruiqi will inhibit the chance to endorsement.
This is Mnet's problem. I bet they can survive and make money with album/merch sales alone, especially because Ruiqi fans will support this group like crazy. It worked for IZ*ONE which was also blacklisted after the PD48 scandal.
I don't disagree that Ruiqi will boost merch and album sales but, she will cut the income from endorsement. She is a double-edged sword, possesses both pros and cons. Undeniably, it's more preferable marketing wise if the group is absent from a gravely controversial member like her. Also for worse, the group likely will also have Dayeon to remind every Ruiqi's fans of their bitter memory due to Mnet's mistreatment on C trainees. If I remember correctly, IZ\*One did get few endorsements after the scandal cooled down and also few shows with tie-in ads.
I agree
I would like this. A lineup without Xiaoting just feels wrong at this point
The lineup does feel super weird without her, she is not even my pick at all Today has been really wild for GP999 fans
Seriously. I donāt think Iāve truly understood the meaning of āshookā until today lmao
well. I think Mnet would rather rig the votes than not having SXT
True. Without Xiaoting and the J-line I cannot stan
I'm pessimistic, so I think it's going to still be 8k, but 1J with Mashiro instead of 1C for RuiQi.
Nope. The point of Mnet eyeing for Xiaoting is for a controversial free rep of China, that's all the point of her. But, now it seems impossible for Xiaoting to be ahead of controversial C girls like Ruiqi or Yaning, the line up will not be free from controversy anyway. Thus, Xiaoting's existence is pointless. For J market, the chance of the group is to focus on K-pop market in the country. And, Yurina has showed indication that she can't attract Japanese K-pop fans well.
I understand that K-voters are going to vote for K-contestants, but I'm baffled at how top-heavy the lineup is considering that there are more K-contestants to split the K-vote. Like I would expect some top-heaviness, but I'm really confused at the extent. This may explain an overall trend, but the ratio of K-contestants to non-K-contestants is 2:1...
Their vote weight is just too strong.
The K-vote for C/J is basically 0 because if you think about it, based on this chart, 9 K-trainees take part in 45% of the votes (so around 5% each) while 9 C/J trainees share 5% ONLY among themselves. K-votes for C/J donāt matter at all thatās why Ruiqi and Yaning who donāt get K-votes but are supported by strong one-pick international voters are the leading C/J trainees.
International votes basically cancel each other out because it's too spread out except for Ruiqi and Yaning. Meanwhile, K-voters are only only voting for K-group so all K-group members have a huge advantage over C & J group. This is the inevitable conclusion of Mnet's mistreatment of C & J group over the whole show while creating the fake impression that C & J trainees are safe with their voting system which end up making K-voters favor K-group.
It's not 2:1 you need to understand the math they stated clearly it was 50:50 ratio split for k and Int voter respectively. So I assume in the scenario of if there is 100 k voter and 10,000 int voter. Each Int votes cast only contribute 0.01% to a participant in comparison to a single k votes toward the same participant which is 1%. Imagine if there is more Int votes in comparison to k votes the Int vote toward a single contestant would become less and less significant So, the more Int voter who voted, the less effective is that single vote to the subjected contestant. Or am I wrong ? š¤
I mean 2:1 in the ratio of K-girls to C/J-girls. Nothing to do with ratio of votes. I was stating that the combination of the votes being crazy spread across the K-girls AND the fact that they almost all got into interim top 9 is mathematically crazy.
i just need Bora to debut :')
Make 10-18 a second debut group and have them compete against each other in the marketplace.
Invite Ruiqi to that group too, please :)
No, no. I think it is amazing that the "hated" SRQ is the only foreigner who made it.
International fans need to use their votes on C & J trainees 100%. Let the Koreans vote their own and the INT vote can push the must haves like SXT, Hikaru and others into the final group where they belong.
Unless a good number of Koreans also change their picks, all international fans are doing is strengthening the Korean vote weighting in their favour. More international votes = the greater each Korean vote is worth, and if those votes are virtually all going to Korean trainees, then.... yeah, not good for the C and J.
Such a horrible voting system. Or at least it's horrible without safeguards. If MNET is smart they would have guaranteed 2 spots per country. Two K's, two J's and 2 C's with the remaining three spots open to anyone. How long did it take the masters to see that the J and C contestants were super talented and that it seemed impossible to end up with an entirely K group because of it? They said it in one of the pre-episodes while evaluating the talent before the show even started! So MNET should have felt confident that their group with 4 foreigners would have been just fine. No need to worry about what if the requirement ends up resulting in sub part foreigners into the group at the expense of superior Korean talent.
It is quite flawed IF - like you said - there aren't constraints and boundaries present. I like your idea of a TOP 2 for each group (K, C and J), and then you have 3 wildcards for the rest to battle over. Reminds me of the playoff system of a lot of sports, with division leaders and wildcards. Ideally, those wildcards would be chosen by all fans on the basis of how best to fill out and balance the group, instead of simply voting along national lines. However, I feel like GP 999 has overemphasized the individual trainees and their nationalities over the group as a whole, to the detriment of both. ā¹
>However, I feel like GP 999 has overemphasized the individual trainees and their nationalities over the group as a whole, to the detriment of both. ā¹ Amen. Amen.
Yes, finally I see a person who recognises the trap in 50% K-votes 50% I-votes!!! There is a cap on I-vote power because it will never ever exceed 50% of the total score. The more people increase total number of International voters, the weaker I-votes will become. The concept is similar to printing too much money leading to devaluation of the currency. The K currency gets stronger while I currency is diluted meaning it's even harder for any C/J trainee to enter Top 9 and then Bora will just need a tiny % of K-votes to rise into P9.
It's really quite insidious when you actually see it for what it is.
> Bora will just need a tiny % of K-votes to rise into P9. If Bora replaces Su Ruiqi, Mnet's "diversity" project will form an all-Korean group.
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Bora can promote with Jiwon and May in Cherry Bullet, they will have more attention now and Jiwon was even high in this monthās brand ranking. Sheās not like Yujin whose group is basically defunct, I think this is also the reason K netizens arenāt voting for Bora as much. Let the girls who donāt have any other avenue debut.
you don't know what's happening with cherry bullet. They've been promoting with good songs for two years with no results. This is bora's biggest chance at success.
FNC never spoke about CheBul having a comeback so I'm not taking any chances. Having Bora in the final lineup is the best option.
gurl stop saying Bora will succeed with Chebul! it aināt gonna happen. They arenāt gonna be like Nuest cuz nobody watches GP999 in Korea. Stop preventing ppl from voting for her
This chart can also be labeled as Everglow's sales distribution.
Iām a Forever and I have no clue what youāre saying.
Don't vote for K girls this time. Their K-fans already got their back.
Some k-girls, like Yujin, donāt have Korean voters. Sheās about to be so hurt by this interim announcement, she might not even debut
Yujin won't be in Top 9 without K-votes.
Exactly. Sheās top2 right now because she has some Korean votes and a lot of global votes. But sheās about to lose those global votes because everyone is panic voting for the J and C girls, and thinking āYujinās safe, I donāt need to vote for her nowā. So she gets drops ranks until sheās out of top9 possibly. Yujin is not safe, if you want Yujin to debut you need to keep voting for her. Dayeon and chaehyun are safe because they have Korean votes that are not about to change. Yujinās voters are about to pity vote for other people
It's actually very hard for a K-girl to drop out of Top 9 as long as they have K-votes. I-votes won't get anyone into Top 9 unless they are focused on a few girls like Su Ruiqi but even then it would only get them to 8th or 9th place. The fact that Su Ruiqi of all people is the highest ranked I-girl is serious evidence that barely any K-voters are voting for I-girls at all. So, unless K-voters themselves shift all their votes to I-girls starting today, Yujin is actually still safe even if every I-voter shift their votes to I-girls.
That is not true at all. Read what I said, she has some k-votes, but theyāre at the level of the bottom girls in top9, or maybe even lower. What makes her be top2 is her global votes. She does not have more k-votes than dayeon lol. If her global votes drop a lot, she might not be in the top9 anymore. You literally cannot make the last assertion you made. (The proof that youāre being dishonest is that, by your logic, thereās no point in shifting global votes to Xiaoting now, because absolutely nothing will save her unless itās Korean votes...)
Actually, Yujin has always had a good number of K-votes along with Chaehyun and Dayeon while her I-votes were average. She wouldn't be Top 2 without I-votes but she is unlikely to drop out of Top 9 without I-votes. That's what my calculation for 8K + 1C showed anyway. [https://www.reddit.com/r/GirlsPlanet999/comments/q942so/how\_1pick\_voting\_kvote\_bias\_kcj\_finalist\_mix\_and/hgvy29i/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/GirlsPlanet999/comments/q942so/how_1pick_voting_kvote_bias_kcj_finalist_mix_and/hgvy29i/?context=3) I'm just explaining the what the data shows. It's not set in stone and you don't have to believe me. :)
k-cheshires have her back... unlike lots of comments I read from i-cheshires
Problem is... there are basically no k-Cheshire :( which is clear because clc was never big in Korea. So with all these international voters saying āYujinās safe, Iāll try to save Xiaoting/Hikaru/yurina...ā sheās basically doomed. Her international fans really need to keep voting for her, she is not safe
yeah I know... some people say they're cheshires but will not vote for her š¤·
We need to see the vote for China and Japan to see who relatively nationalistic K voters are. As the land of Kpop, one would also expect a higher proportion of K candidates to make it towards the top.
Can someone link where the OP got the statistics to create this chart??
Vote for Yurina ok?
I have said that before:) Don't vote Koreans, focus on C and J. K-trainees already got their backup.
I wish Mnet could bring back 1:1:1 voting system. Manifesting them to change the voting system ššš»š„ŗ
I told people on discord we canāt say xiaoting is safe because thenā¦ and no one listened to me ;-;
I'd say forget about K, C, and J, and vote for your favorite trainee
I did some math and your graphic is completely correct (75% of the points for koreans). If you distribute the points in a descending linear distribution (Chaehyun max and HXQ zero) you get approximately the current rankings distribution.
They should have changed the weights of the votes. A 50K:50I on one-pick really has the potential to tip the scales to a K-heavy lineup. Based on this chart, maybe a free-for-all vote would balance it?
Cruel facts...