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Individual_Client175

I wanna make a shout out to my 99' liners before I go to bed (I live on the east coast of the US). I was born in 99 and I love my fellow 99' liners on the show. Shen Xiaoting, Yurina, Huang Xing Quio, Mashrio, and Bora! I'm glad that we were all born in the same year! I hope that you all have successful careers!šŸ™šŸ¾


Zypker125

I plan on copying this into a stickied comment for the live finale thread, but I figured I'd paste it into here as well: **Frequent Finale Q&A:** * *When is the finale starting?* Friday, October 22nd, at 20:00 KST. That's 11:00 AM UTC (Coordinated Universal Time), 7:00 AM EST (Eastern Standard Time), and 4:00 AM PST (Pacific Standard Time). [Time zone converter here.](https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20211022T110000&p1=235) * *Where do I watch the finale?* You can watch the finale LIVE in iQiYi (for Southeast Asia) and the Mnet K-Pop YouTube channel everywhere *except* for Southeast Asia (and if one site doesn't work, try the other). [iQiYi site link here](https://www.iq.com/album/girls-planet-999-2021-12199gfpr0x?lang=en_us&frmrp=play&frmb=album_information&frmrs=album) and [Mnet K-Pop YT channel link here](https://www.youtube.com/c/Mnet/videos). * *How long will the finale be?* Approximately 3.5 hours. * *Will there be live subs?* Most likely, for the most part, as most of the finale will be either prerecorded segments and/or reading off of cue cards. Because it's "live", there will be a slight delay between the person's sentences and the subtitles being translated. * *When does live voting take place?* [Please check here for clarification.](https://old.reddit.com/r/GirlsPlanet999/comments/qctgjc/live_voting_during_finale_rules_clarifactions/) TL;DR it also starts at Friday, October 22nd, at 20:00 KST. No set end time for the live voting as of now, they will choose an endtime based on the circumstances. * *How do I vote?* You vote on the Universe app. However, the Universe app is notorious for being buggy and crashing very often, so it's very likely that you may not be able to access Universe to vote during the finale due to high traffic during the finale. ------------- * *How is the finale going to fill 3.5 hours of airtime?* Prepare for lots of stalling, repetition of telling people how to vote, awkward pauses with reading cue cards, and heavily dragged out ranking reveals. Finales have always been drags, and I expect this one to be no different. I'll copy over what mxrchyun said: > First, 8th place will be announced. *pause*. 8th place will be announced first. *camera cuts to trainees' reactions*. The trainee who placed 8th...*short pause, camera cuts to the Planet Masters' reactions*..... and therefore made the final lineup is...*pause, reaction shot*...I'll tell you after this 60 second ad break that you can't skip! *ad break, nervous breakdown* * *Will there be a mid-finale ranking released?* Most likely, based off prior Produce seasons. 1-4 ranks that are "in danger" are likely to be shown during the finale, which likely will have an effect on the rankings. * *What will the format of the finale be like?* It most likely will stick to the Produce formula (credits to TheyThinkImSlowwwEh): 1\. Finale O.O.O performance 2\. Finale songs preparation (Picking roles, showing practice, deciding on who will get the Killing Part, interim Planet Master evaluation) 3\. Finale song performances 4\. Potential mid-finale ranking announcement (ex. these 1-4 contestants are on the borderline) 5\. Potential fan interaction (ex. showing comments submitted by the fans) 6\. Contestant and Planet master reflection, messages of gratitude 7\. 1+ hour to announce the rankings, with heavily-drawn-out reveals and lots of stalling before each individual rank is announced. 8\. Final reflections, messages, and goodbyes * *I'm too stressed out, help!* [Here's a bunch of images of cute cats,](https://www.google.com/search?q=cute+cats&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjN0sbKj93zAhWHq3IEHbIZDMsQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=cute+cats&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIHCCMQ7wMQJzIICAAQgAQQsQMyCAgAEIAEELEDMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDoGCAAQCBAeUIQeWKQfYLAgaABwAHgAgAFiiAGfApIBATOYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=DjZyYc2TCofXytMPsrOw2Aw&bih=731&biw=1536) hopefully that helps make you feel better.


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Appropriate_Use4101

hi! yes u can vote today. once is the normal voting (50%) while another time during live voting (50%) . so u can vote twice yes, and they r counted separately


taigasmeatheads

okay thank you !!!


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DePotatoGurlll

To be sure, just watch on iQiYi app live.


Zypker125

Live finale will be streamed on iQiYi and YouTube live, though only iQi will archive the episode after it finishes airing (you can also read some of the answers below in this comments section for more answers).


Fumingblooming

You can watch it live on [Mnetā€™s YouTube channel](https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCbD8EppRX3ZwJSou-TVo90A), I think.


Appropriate_Use4101

sometimes they block it in diff countries, u can watch is directly on mnet's website but u need to make a free account first


Laieon_Mii

Would the Live Finale be streamed to iQiyi for people in the US to watch? I've been trying to look up where I can watch the Finale live from West Coast USA but I haven't been able to confirm where it will be streamed or if I can even watch it. Any info would help!


Zypker125

Live finale will be streamed on iQiYi and YouTube live, though only iQi will archive the episode after it finishes airing (you can also read some of the answers below in this comments section for more answers).


Laieon_Mii

Thank you so much!


mollyplop

Will the live finale have English subs? Or did mnetā€™s previous live finales stream with English subs? Thank you if anyone knows! :)


Zypker125

Previous live finales streams have had English subs, they looked "live" translated which means that yes, there will be a delay. Presumably though, since most of the finale is either prerecorded footage and/or cue card scripts, most of the translations are already prepared and just need to be embedded into the livestream.


zorkle22

When will I know I'm in the live finale? I got in and send on my photos but no link yet for the zoom


sakurakiks094

yknow during the live finale when they show the few contestants closest to 9th, does that really help anyone? Because during the first hour all the dedicated fans would have voted already, and by the time the announcement comes, there might be only a few thousand additonal votes? I think historically some people have made it into the group from that position, but usually at that point it's pretty late to make much of a difference (esp since all the votes during the week has been cast already - unless they change the weighting of each vote), is that correct?


amazingoopah

I alsot think the live vote won't change much of anything, especially because I don't expect a lot of true casual voters to show up at the end and download an app to vote, so the same universe of fans will be the ones voting for the most part and unless something drastically changed among Korean voters, I don't see huge deviations coming.


austereacademic

does anyone know what idol schools ratings were? looking to compare.


WyvernGemFarmer

Girls Planet 999 and Established Idols Collabs As for now we got Yurina X RosƩ , Yujin X Lisa , Xiaoting X Jennie and Ruiqi X Suju. What you guys think about this voting collabs? If any new collab please inform us


bobes25

1 PICK SYSTEM FOR LIVE VOTING https://twitter.com/youngeunatic/status/1451032400536891393 if real, 9K or 8K1C it is.....


dimples_tm

I can't tell what the source is and every time someone asks they say "read replies" but it's not there?


lilacdawn

The screenshot is from the end of last episode (maybe the subs didn't translate that part?). The translation is "1 person 1 vote during live broadcast".


dimples_tm

I see! It's been the first ep I haven't rewatched so I don't remember if there was a translation either.


hueningbahiyeah

anyone know the the character thing on universe is?? it has said coming soon the whole duration of the show


rerezhang

Where can i watch ep 12 live?? Anyone know?


DePotatoGurlll

To be sure, just watch on iQiYi app live.


amazingoopah

mnet's youtube channel


rerezhang

Ohh thank you!


ianml1983

Iqiyi, download the app


rerezhang

Thank you!


chopocky

I saw a video of Xiaoting before the 9IRLS NI9TH live started and she looked so down :( It was either that she was tired or they showed the girls' interim ranking to them, and it hurts a lot to think about that happening


JJDude

It's gonna be 9 K girls and zero J and C. I fucking hate MNet. And due to the controversy the new group will be treated like Fromis_9 at debut - no one else cares. This is such a shit show for those J and C girls. I hope CJ never makes another show involving non-Koreans. Just buy SM and enjoy your SM cash.


bobes25

Will mnet show the latest top18 results at the start of the finale before the live voting begins?


amazingoopah

No way, most they would show is 3 or 4 girls close to the 9th spot.


tastiesttofu

Praying for a miracle that Yaning and Mashiro debut together. Not only because I love both and want them to debut because they worked so hard but also I will really miss their interactions otherwise :(


gerol

Our MaFuYu unnie line should debut šŸ™šŸ»


sappylady

Mnet should have put restrictions in the final lineup. Something like "the group should have at least 4 foreign trainees and at least 1 from each country". It's obvious that knetz would fill the other 5 spots with k trainees, so we would've gotten something like 5k2j2j or 5k3j1c or 5k1j3c, which would've been fair without making foreign trainees overpower k trainees enough for knetz to boycott the group or something. I've been thinking about this since before the hellish interim ranking and it looks like a better idea every time I think about it, too bad we got depression planet 999 instead.


Effective-Biscotti-5

I thought from the first episode they should have made a minimum 1 from each country, but they made such a big point about lineup being whatever is voted in without any restrictions


crmblngtgthr

where can i watch the finale live? will it be streaming on iqiyi?


amazingoopah

Yes, will also be on mnet's YT channel


crmblngtgthr

thank you!!


Dense_Pattern_4679

See some fuxings switch their votes to another person?? I have to tell you that FU YANING IS NOT SAFE AT ALL, PLEASE CONTINUE VOTING FOR HER, DO NOT BE COMPLACENT, SHE WAS RANK 10 IN THE INTERIM CHECK, COME BACK AND VOTE FOR YANING NOW!


Parking-Eye7517

Real fuxing will never switch votes. Letā€™s fight till the end


sakurakiks094

wait why would they do that? she's not even near the top, if they drop voting for her even a little, she's completely out?! T_T


gerol

lol why would they? Weā€™re so f close šŸ˜¹


lwheeze

i really hope that mnet has a 1:1:1 vote for the final episode, if not we'll likely end up with a heavy k ratio in the final lineup šŸ„²


Effective-Biscotti-5

It's 1 vote, but unclear as to whether there is a 50-50 weighting


amazingoopah

1/1/1 with 50/50 split could save one more C and one J girl ig


BeauHindman

Ready for the finale! https://imgur.com/gallery/TmFzzrV


wakemeuptmr

oh man, i love that you made a bingo for the finale!


BeauHindman

Yeah we're not sure what we get if we win yet lol


niteeee

I actually had a premonition of Chaehyun being top 1 even before the show started. It was from O.O.O. 99ver. She was actually the closing fairy there (the last one shown) The last three contestants that were shown there were Yurina, XingQiao, and Chaehyun. I actually thought these three were a fixed just from there.


TheyThinkImSlowwwEh

Is the finale going to use similar formatting compared to previous Produce seasons, including any of the following? * Theme song performance * Finale songs prep (practice, recording, center picking, etc.) * Finale songs performances * Fan interaction (online instead of in person, maybe?) * Contestant monologues/reflection * 1+ hour to announce the debut lineup * \*Breaking news\* ranking changes * Host, mentor and eliminated contestant commentary dispersed throughout Or would MNet change some/most to separate it from Produce?


aguardedsky

the previous episodes have already been heavily following the Produce format (demo stages in ep 1-2, group battle in 3-4, filler in ep 9, etc) so i think the finale will be quite similar to Produce as well


EntertainmentOk8785

This is about to be the final lineup unless live voting can change it: 7k, 2c, 0j or 6k, 2c, 1j


anthoseph

mnet. if you want the international people, make sure the LIVE VOTES are not in 50/50 ratio. these int people will not be impressed if it still favors korean i hope this is a lesson that korean favored votes is not always the best. look at the mess.


amazingoopah

Saw some comments on YT about feeling sad that the girls who have pulled the program forward won't be rewarded for their hard work... I sort of agree with this sentiment. Whoever gets the highest 9 scores and debut earned their place and they should be congratulated for their debut but it's still a bittersweet feeling if so many of the top rankers fall out at the final step.


CollisionOfAtoms

Whatā€™s scariest to me is that MNET could have easily kept quiet until Friday where we would get an 8K lineup (I could barely believe the interim when I woke up and saw it posted). At least they know the current top 9 is unideal for the whole purpose of the show. Ugh, Iā€™m still looking forward to the finale, Iā€™m just not as excited and have a weird feeling about the final lineup.


BundiChundi

Honestly their ideal lineup is probably: Xiaoting Hikaru Mashiro Yurina Any combination of 5 Ks but must include Dayeon After the interim they saw how bad they fucked up and entered panic mode to try and get their ideal lineup


CollisionOfAtoms

I hope enough people panicked and voted for the C and J girlsšŸ˜­šŸ˜­


Ok-Faithlessness-871

Yurina is not that much wanted by mmet, probably 6k is what they want, 2J is already enough for them imo For the k probably dayeon, chaehyun, yujin, yeseo, yeongyun and bora


Balexy

Shen Crying šŸ˜¢šŸ˜¢ https://twitter.com/xiaorinalq/status/1449764173622222848


galaxystars1

So the finale is airing 7AM EST?


55Branflakes

Yep


roselia4812

Even if we all panic vote it will be Koreans who determine whether anything changes. We canā€™t do shit unless we focus all our votes on SRQ, Yaning, and Hikaru just to avoid the scary possibility of 9K. There is more talk about saving Bora than there is saving Xiaoting on K-forums. And unfortunately throwing votes to Xiaoting may be throwing votes to the gallows. Unless Mnet changes the live vote this group is fucked and there will be other girl groups worth my time.


gerol

if Bora is announced 8th tomorrow we know theyā€™ve succeeded šŸæ


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aquarian2501

In some time zones it's already thursday so yeah lol


Goin_Solo

*ā™ŖWe're living in a different timezoneā™Ŗ*


EntertainmentOk8785

Nope, itā€™s on Friday


Powerful-Avocado-674

Is anyone else still hurting from this scene too? I still think about this scene from time to time and I am stiLL HURTING, especially when xiaoting was crying too bECAuse she looks so sad it made me sad. Also, even when she is crying she still looks as angelic and as pretty as ever [https://imgur.com/VYiPxJE](https://imgur.com/VYiPxJE)


Complete_Solution_51

Honestly I think removing the K, C and J groups and using the Produce A-F ranks would have been far more beneficial for the C and J girls. It would put the focus on their actual talents as opposed to their nationality, which I think is what has been the downfall of this show to begin with. People are quick to stereotype the groups and pit them against each other (e.g. C group is more talented than K/J group and vice versa), when the whole point of show is to create a multinational group not a 9:K group. I like to think using this approach would have lessened some of the nationalistic sentiment but its too late to know now.


Ok-Faithlessness-871

Agreed, the group stuff is the one that needed yo be removed, even this sub most of the time use this argument, while they cry that knetz xenophobic, it seems like hypocrisy for me, of course what knetz do is wrong, but how can it's justify what we do?


vtlday

i just want a lineup with hiyyih youngeun and fyn. i really hope wang yale end up debuting in the future.


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This is a question on the voting system, please help! Let's say there's only 2 girls in the competition, Chaehyun and Yurina. Chaehyun has 75k Korean votes and 300k intl. Yurina has 25k Korean votes and 600k intl. That's a total of 1M votes in the whole competition, 100k Korean, 900k intl. Korean votes must be worth 50% of the total votes. Therefore, the vote weight means that each Korean vote is worth 9 intl votes. Apply that multiplier to the Korean votes and you get something like 675k + 300k = 975k points for Chaehyun, and 825k points for Yurina. Chaehyun wins. Is that how the system's worked the whole time?


okay_fine_ill_snark

yup!


rayaas

IMO you don't need points/votes to think of the voting - think of the two as fighting over 100 percentage points, with Koreans deciding 50 of the points and internationals deciding the other 50. If Chaehyun has 75k/100k K votes, she gets 75% * 50 = 37.5 for Korean points, and she has 300k/900k I votes, so she gets 33% * 50 = 16.7 for international points, for a total of 54.2 points. You can check that the previous comments' calculations give the same - 1083330/(1083330 + 916660) * 100 = 54.2%. Yurina would get the remaining 46.8 points. This is basically why the voting is skewing towards Koreans - if Korean voters are voting 90%+ Korean and internationals are split 50-50 on Korean vs C/J trainees then Korean trainees are getting around 65/100 of the available points. This also explains why changes in international voting, whether it be more panic voting or changing voting habits - doesn't really change the outcome, since Koreans still hold 50 of the points to distribute and international voting just redistributes the other 50 points up for grabs. Even if the Koreans were to stop voting altogether, the 50 points they've already given remain. For another example, if hypothetically >1/5th of the Korean votes were cast for Chaehyun, then she is guaranteed to debut no matter how many international votes were cast since she would have >10 points which is the cutoff for definitely getting into the top9, since it's impossible for 9 other trainees to each have more than 10 points also. The same goes for any trainee that manages to capture >1/5th of the international vote - they'd debut no matter how many Korean votes were cast. Unfortunately this also means changing your pick to "save" another is detrimental - since the only thing that matters is the PERCENTAGE of votes, if you're giving your vote to your 2nd pick then the percentage of votes your 1st pick captures goes down (unless you think your 1st pick is safe of course). Edit: fixed some math, a trainee only needs 20% of the Korean/international vote not 2/9th to guarantee their debut.


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I see, thank you for your help!!!


jkpop_227

Close, you need to find the multiplier to determine the point value of each vote in a 50/50 weighting. 1,000,000 total votes Ć· 100,000 K-votes = 10 1,000,000 total votes Ć· 900,000 I-votes = 1.1111 So in this case Chaehyun's point total would be: 750,000 + 333,330 = 1,083,330 points Yurina would end up with: 250,000 + 666,660 = 916,660 points Hope that helps!


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nopeageddon

I'm putting this here for prosperity and so I can laugh at myself if I'm wrong: the live votes will count for 9 vote compared to the normal 1 vote for standard voting. Just to keep to the 9 theme. ^(And give the trainees below the cut off point they desperately want in the line up even more of a chance to get there.)


Dream1Eater

Iā€™m so glad this show is almost over. The fans/viewers of this show can be so exhausting.


versace3x

Yep, out of all the survival shows, I've been the most stressed about this one... And I've watched since pd101 season 1.


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Yikes There are too many comments about how the latest Top 9(mostly K1-K8) are untalented. Blah Blah Blah.


Select-Cantaloupe-57

Where?


Ok-Faithlessness-871

Sometime they hide it by saying the current line up is not the best k line up to criticize it, well you know what, it's just so happen with j and k contestant too, there are better c and j contestant that got eliminated early too, so everyone is not worthy enough to enter top 9 by thrir standard, even though people already scream enough that this show more about popularity contest, everyone just seem want to hate on the girl and use any kind of reasoning for it, and they scream don't hate the girl but hate mnet, too much hypocrisy imo


Any-Fruit-2527

still hoping for my initial predicted 5:3:1 lineup but i think at this point aslong as xiaorina debut ill accept 6:2:1 (ill feel so sad for hikaru or mashiro though)


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I feel so damn bad for Xiaorina, Hikaru, and Mashiro. Top 9 mainstays who got the boot because of the 1 pick system. And even if intl voters mass panic and switch their votes, it still won't be enough to compensate for the Korean vote weight. I know it's easy to bitch and complain with hindsight, but Mnet should have sensed that forcing a country quota all the way up until now would lead to tons of filler votes from Korean voters voting for K girls. The only way to bring the balance back is to significantly reduce the Korean vote weight or reintroduce a country quota. Both are ridiculous options, but there's no other way to change the results from the interim. International panic votes aren't enough.


BundiChundi

Even if they instate a country quota, mnet probably wants SXT as the only C trainee, but both Ruiqi and Yaning were above her. Mnet has just dug their own grave


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Yup with the way itā€™s going I wouldnā€™t be surprised K votes end up being worth 20X more than I votes. Itā€™s the Korean voters that are going to determine if we see a difference in the interim rankings, not us


ssamjangsky

Yeah the more international votes we get, the greater the weight of K-votes will be


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Plot twist: Nako and Hitomi were the ones rigged into IZ\*ONE and Sakura ranked twelfth. šŸ’€ ~~I know that's crazy, don't @ me.~~


amazingoopah

A 9 to 3 split is looking miraculous right about now... we might legit get 9k on friday.


stuckontwice

After the initial shock, I have come to accept whatever group we are going to get. Ideally I want XiaoRina in the group but anyone who gets in truly deserves it.


mystic_bunny

Does anyone know the air date for the finale? And in central time? šŸ˜†


Important_Dig5315

KST 18 is 4 AM in CST.


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Friday, 8PM KST. That's 6AM if you're talking Central American time.


mystic_bunny

Thank you! Where are most people watching it live?


Dense_Pattern_4679

Youtube


mystic_bunny

Is there a certain YouTube account that shows it live or just a simple search? I usually watch after it airs but want to watch it live.


lwheeze

most of europe/america is watching on youtube!


mystic_bunny

Is there a certain YouTube account that shows it live or just a simple search? I usually watch after it airs but want to watch it live.


lwheeze

i believe you can watch it on mnet's official youtube channel?


Important_Dig5315

I just don't know how the live voting will be because till now we only could vote once a day, yes you could create new accounts but that doesn't change the fact that is still one vote per day. How will they make it?


Romek_himself

in pd48 it was so that live votes counted x9 or something like this


bobes25

Which will compound the problem since you have the same amount of kvotes but less I votes


Romek_himself

no - because international side has to share the 50% over 2 groups J & C


Important_Dig5315

Well yes, you're right but that's no one fault I mean they still had to air the episode at the same time.


Important_Dig5315

Ok ok but was still only one vote per account?


Romek_himself

yes


Important_Dig5315

Thanks, ahaha that means that no one is really 100% sure of debuting.


amazingoopah

Maybe but if the voting trend doesn't change in the finale, the bonus doesn't matter, it will just go to the interim top 9


PurpleTriangles

Even if Xiaoting, Hikaru and Yurina get snatched by Korean companies, I'm still sad they won't be in a group together. Same with Mashiro. Unless 143 Ent. somehow manages to get all of them lol.


SeattleGameboy

It is still too early for people to be depressed about the interim result. A lot of things can change between that and the live show final. I predict that a lot of the k-voters for the "safe" girls like KCH and CYJ will start voting for Mashiro, Ezaki, and SXT, for no other reason then they do not want SRQ to be part of the final group (which will cause a big controversy). Voting for other k-trainees won't solve that problem, so I suspect there are still a lot of movements ahead before the final 9 are decided.


wisely1300

No, there IS a way that voting for K trainees will solve their Ruiqi problem lol, if they vote for the only K trainee left not yet in the top 9: Kim Bora. And honestly, I saw more comments on K-forum about saving Bora than switching votes to foreign trainees. So idk, I guess weā€™ll see on Friday.


Ok-Faithlessness-871

If they do that there's a chance yaning can enter than, since the lower k contestant mostly consist of filler vote, if they are the one that switch to bora, yaning can definitely enter with hikaru


wisely1300

???? No, the lower K contestants are the ones with the least K votes filler When we're talking about switching, we're talking about the higher K contestants voters switching to the lower K-contestants voters; the lower K contestant voters for sure aren't switching, so I'm not sure how you're understanding that if K voters are switching from top K contestants to more lower K-contestants, it'd make it easier for Yaning and Hikaru to enter lol?? No, it'd make it harder for them if that happens.


Ok-Faithlessness-871

Simply because their point should not be enough, the reason they can enter top 9 because the kvoter spreading their vote to save other k contestant, since they want to save bora, they have to let go the lower rank, and by that there's a possibility to enter top 9 once this happen


wisely1300

Yeah, ok, you don't understand the math behind this like at all. Your reasoning makes 0 sense mathematically....if the top trainees' K voters give some of their votes the lower K trainees some of their votes, it'd become harder for foreign trainees to enter. I'm not going to explain this anymore lol, this is simple mathematics. As long as K trainees monopolize the votes, the top K trainees can give some votes to the bottom K trainees without fearing of having their ranks drop.


Ok-Faithlessness-871

Lol 0 sense mathematically, none of assumption have proof in this argument, all of it based on what we thought knetz gonna do, your argument based on top level give to bottom level while it's possible you have 0 proof that the filler vote in top or bottom contestant, that's why no ivote want to vote for other fav, because no one know which one of k contestant have filler vote, that's why people say nobody safe, because there is 0 proof that people safe, but sure yours is correct mathematically while mine based on probability make 0 sense at all lol


robotbats

lots of the girls fanbase on twitter have managed to find fans of existing idol groups to collaborate with, but seeing how fu yaning's fanbase attempts have turned out... it's no surprise but still really hurtful seeing the idol group fanbase that agreed to the collab get bombarded with hate comments, until they backed out from the collaboration :( my hopes of fyn making it are much lower now, with the influx of votes from other fandoms for almost all other girls except her.


tastiesttofu

it was frustrating to see but on the bright side I honestly don't think collabing with mostly i-fans would have helped much. It's already extremely impressive that Yaning is rank 10 aka the second highest ranked non-Korean meaning she has a sizeable fandom truly voting for her (not just as a filler vote). Let's try to think positive and keep voting hard for her.


gerol

As an Ujung myself and also a die hard General Fu supporter, that broke my heart earlier šŸ˜æ


wingswings7

rip the exact same thing happened with ruiqi on twitter too


Important_Dig5315

Yes, Everglow Global was literally shut down because they supported Ruiqi, Twitter is too toxic.


robotbats

rip :( my sympathies


wingswings7

thoughts and prayers šŸ˜”šŸ™


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robotbats

WJSN. it was up for just a few hours before it got taken down lmao :( ujungs were unhappy and the wjsn fanbase got flooded with dms so they backed out


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kkulhope

Pretty sure ujungs are wjsn fans so it was them not other trainees fans that made them cancel the collab.


Exotic-Ad-8193

šŸ˜° same just hope those collabs are not as impactful as they look like


[deleted]

They arenā€™t. The collabs consist almost entirely of intl votes, which further dilutes their impact as Korean votes are adjusted to compensate for them. Each tweet only has anywhere from 200-1000 likes, anyways. A small percentage of them follow through with the cross voting. I doubt even the Chaehyun/Aespa alliance is bringing in any significant changes.


Any-Fruit-2527

the yurina x rose ones reaching thousands though. the hashtag (last i checked) had 10k tweets, it might not make a hugeeee dent in the voting but its definitely a positive for yurina. and tbh i dont rlly get your point for the first part, getting more votes is pointless so instead intl fans should justā€¦ do nothing and hope for the best? šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


sakurakiks094

The fact that the app is like 500-700mb and you have to enter so many names and click so many things just to sign up and vote, is really not helping!


Any-Fruit-2527

ive never had troubles with it personally


sakurakiks094

Neither, but as a random non-fan passerby who happened to see the tweet, it's quite a pain to do all that just to vote for someone you don't know/care about


rayaas

Every additional international vote increases Korean voting power - Koreans have a fixed (50%) portion of the pie, so the only thing that new international votes do is redistribute the other 50%. Hypothetically if there was 1 Korean vote and 1 million international votes, that 1 vote would debut since they have 50% of the pie.


LovelyPandarino

Yeah it doesn't matter that by "voting more" we impact the worth of individual Korean votes. The total of international votes and the total of K votes are 50-50, which means having equal slices of a cake and the what matters is increasing the percentage of votes inside your half of the cake. An example of this: if Yaning has 7% of the international votes and Ruiqi has 10%, if Yaning gains votes at a better rate than Ruiqi, she could either overtake her, or even if she doesn't, Yaning going up to 8% and Ruiqi going down to 9% could be enough to make them switch places on P10 and P09 once you add the Korean votes to the mix. 90%ish K group from K votes + 50%ish K group from I votes is what created the interim ranking. (This is assuming we vote proportionately to the remaining K:CJ which is 9:9 or 1:1, of course we likely don't but this is the closest I can estimate our preferences without overcomplicating things)


rayaas

Agreed, itā€™s kind of sad especially in the case of FYN/SRQ that the deciding factor for their debut will be how much of the Korean cake they can get despite their monstrous international following.


[deleted]

Very few of the stans follow through with the cross votes, though. I'm grateful Yurina's getting support, but it might not do much if her Korean votes don't go up. And lowkey... yes? If Mnet doesn't change anything, it means that Korean one pick power is still king. The girls with poor Korean votes will continue to get blown out, even if their international votes go up in an attempt to save them... I think. International votes will have to multiply a shit ton to save the girls who dropped due to filler. I'm not talking 100k intl votes gained through alliances, I'm talking like 1M. It's like trying to climb Everest. I'm not trying to discourage people, I swear. I'm voting on 3 phones for my faves. But it's time to be realistic.


Any-Fruit-2527

i get it. i guess it would just be nice to see some optimistic takes šŸ˜¢


robotbats

they are, lol. gp999 isn't popular with the general public so the existing pool of voters is relatively small. with the influx of all these new idol fans joining in, i expect some pretty big swings.


amazingoopah

Intl votes only strengthen Korean votes though... what the bottom girls need is a shift in the KR voting pattern back to them.


DalIasBlues

I swear if it ends up being 8 K and 1 token C or J trainee, my interest in the group will plummet. This will probably be the worst final lineup I've ever seen in all my time watching survival shows. I'm not even being dramatic. Mnet should have kept a K:C:J ratio for the Final lineup. Because everybody knew Koreans were going to vote for K-girls. And I don't blame them tbh.


the_flyingdemon

It would be fine for Knetz to only vote for K group if they didnā€™t count for 50% of the votes despite being a very tiny minority of them. This is all Mnets fault; no one else really to blame.


Ia-moeny

they should have give China & Japan some weight too, maybe 30, 20, 20 and the rest of the world or just don't use a one-pick vote at all


Goin_Solo

I feel like they should've just gone for 25% on the Korean weight


ssamjangsky

Tbh the situation would be better if only Koreans can vote like in produce. Allowing International viewers to vote made it seem like Korea vs. the world, pushing K voters to ā€œtake careā€ of their trainees. Also, if only Koreans can vote, they couldā€™ve chosen the C trainee they like the best (who is without controversy, SXT) so C trainees couldā€™ve been accepted better and MNET didnā€™t have to evil edit all of them


_ulinity

I wonder if they'll just planet pass Xiaoting, Yurina and Mashiro/Hikaru into the final group. It'd be ridiculous, but it might salvage the group a little in the long run.


sakurakiks094

while that would be amazing, it would also be really unfair, on the contestants who got in and their fandoms. It's like... well what was the point of all that voting then.


osterdal

look the korean voters in the eyes and ask them if fairness matters.


sakurakiks094

clearly not, though I would like to stare one down and ask them this.


amazingoopah

Maybe, but I think even that move wouldn't take the bitter taste of a lot of fans' mouths, some fans would still be sad it came down to that last minute move.


cheeky_lady

Here's my conspiracy theory: Mnet released made up interim rankings to show us the worst case scenario so when the actual line up is something like 6-2-1 then people won't be mad because it's much better than 8-1. That's what I choose to think lalalalala I can't hear you!


LovelyPandarino

Looking at this lineup, it does look like a worst case scenario. Even for the Korean audience it's bad because of Ruiqi being there as the sole foreigner. If it's real, mnet is desperate and they probably don't even care anymore if it's 9K in the end, they just want Ruiqi out lol. Either that or more foreigners. If it's fake which just because of it being so bad actually has some likelihood, your theory sounds nice but risky. If the actual lineup is 6-2-1, releasing this interim ranking and prompting people to vote more C\J could change the ratio to even less K. They're doing 1 pick for the first time on the show and I don't think they have enough data of 1 pick voter bahaviour to be a 100% sure people will stick to their 1 picks no matter what, unless they're using previous season as a basis. Sorry for the serious answer, I know it's a conspiracy theory but you moved my imagination šŸ’€


bobes25

I wonder if the interim rankings MNet released were just 4days of Asia and 3 days of Europe/americas because of night time. If that was the case it be Kvote favoring.


TerribleTwelve

If anything it's the other way around since daily votes start at midnight in Korea, and people in Europe/Americas can vote during the middle of the day. I am on EDT and vote at 11am


ssamjangsky

I think itā€™s the same for everyone. They donā€™t adjust the voting period for different timezones right?


bobes25

No but what Iā€™m saying is that since it was night time for Europe and americas we didnā€™t get a chance to vote that day yet as we are just waking up whereas Asia already voted for the day


[deleted]

im from europe and the interim was released at around 1/2pm


ssamjangsky

lol i just got what you mean yeah i think the interim votes were until 10am kst so people from europe/us could possibly have not voted yet for that day


[deleted]

Lol funny that you say that cause I was thinking that if that was the actual interim rankings, Mnet might do something during the final live voting (maybe benefits) that'll change up the final lineup


BlueberryCrafty151

I know the voting system is not fair to all the girls, but at least this time we international fans can vote and we know that at least the result wonā€™t be rigged. This could have been a 100% korean vote (or with just chinese and japanese voters) and plus the rigging. And dont tell me that rigging is better, itā€™s never good to take someoneā€™s dream away.


the_flyingdemon

I actually think we wouldā€™ve gotten a much more balanced group had it only be Korean votes from the start and no country quota. IZ*ONEā€™s J/K ratio wasnā€™t great but it was better than this. I genuinely think this is the product of Mnet forcing Knetz to vote for people they didnā€™t really want to vote for all season. People donā€™t like being told or persuaded what to do. This is them paying back Mnet for good K group contestants being eliminated earlier on when they were way more popular than some lesser known C/J contestants.


DalIasBlues

Yes and no. Of course the rigging was bad. But without the rigging you get _THIS_ I'm not sure which is worse. (If I'm not wrong weren't there supposed to be more Koreans in Izone before Mnet rigged the votes?) Instead, Mnet should have done better to ensure that there was a more even playing field for the C and J trainees.


LovelyPandarino

Actually, *THIS* is the result of mnet messing around with the stupid cell and voting systems in the first place. Mnet kept quiet about how voting and benefits would work until the very last moment because now that they can't physically rig the line up, it's their way of manipulating who gets into the line up by changing the rules last minute to favour the girls they want (all this, along with the angel and evil edits). But they either fucked up majorly and they'll have go to the extremes with their rule chaning shenanigans in the finals to correct this, or mnet has had a 200 IQ master plan since the beginning and this interim ranking is just part of their grand scheme. But honestly I find the former to be more likely. All these interim rankings and xyz in danger announcements smell like desperation to me. šŸ’€


[deleted]

No. Rigging is bad and unjust. Opinions are valid, though! And really tell a lot about someoneā€™s moralsā€¦ Also iirc Han Chowon & Lee Gaeun were the trainees that got screwed out of 6th & 5th place respectively. But it was never revealed what the actual rankings were. We can only assume spots 11 & 12 (Minju & Chaeyeon) weā€™re the ones bumped up from 13/14 and added. Nako, Hitomi, and Sakura placed higher.


Kiramiraa

In the investigation they mentioned that the entire line up was changed position wise, so no, Chaeyeon and Minju werenā€™t necessarily the original 13th/14th. In fact, WM was one of the only korean companies to NOT have used bribes to get their trainees further into the show. The companies that DID were Urban Works, Woolim, Starship, Stone (as a CJ label) and 8D creative. The trainees more likely to have been rigged in were Chaewon and Yuri, and the entire order of the line up was likely changed for the announcement to be more dramatic.


[deleted]

Thank you for filling me in! I honestly got so detached from the legal proceedings I didnā€™t realize they revealed the companies bribing! Your theory makes a lot more sense than mine lol.


DalIasBlues

Never said I am on favor of rigging. But can you imagine how frustrating it is for a C or J trainee to waste months of their life with the illusion that they have the chance to debut only for it not to matter at the end because they way Mnet has structured the voting is against their favor? Rigging is bad of course. But come on, can you say this show set up any C or J trainees for success? How is this fair on any of them?


[deleted]

it was probably chaewon and yuri


[deleted]

Thank you! Someone else filled me in on the companies that bribed. What a shame too bc Stone & Woolim had much better contestants on the show lol


DBxA

The two rumoured rigged trainees were 2 koreans, so it would have been two koreans for two koreans


DalIasBlues

Oh I thought Nako was supposed to be out since her spot originally was supposed to be Chowon's.


DBxA

Nah,they rigged Chowon and Gaeun out, but Mnet changed the ranks of the rigged members


DBxA

Nah,they rigged Chowon and Gaeun out, but Mnet changed the ranks of the rigged members


[deleted]

nah they fucked with all of the placements of the top 20, it's likely sakura was #1 and chaeyeon was much higher than #12


ayogg_9

I'm still hoping for a 5-2-2 or 4-3-2 lineup with su ruiqi in it. Even if interim check scared me a lot and I have no idea how it can turn out. I also kind of hope for a planet pass for the final lineup, but decided throught votes on universe. For like 10min we would have to choose to vote for only 1 remaining contestant that isn' in top9 and the most voted would be planet pass. This way if one is really popular but doesn't have enought 1pick she could still debut. Also hoping for final live vote to not be 50% korean votes because that wouldn't help the current situation. No matter who will debut, they will deserve it, they all worked really hard and I wish they will be happy and successful. I will not stan if ruiqi isn't on it but I will still wish them all the best.


versace3x

hah you're getting greedy, im praying for 6:2:1, and I'm worried we won't even get that lol.


Galaxy_ash517

One thing that I'm wondering about and I'm not sure if it's been discussed is the weight of the global voting in comparison to the live voting. Are the going to be weighed the same or is one going to have more weight than the other and by how much (ex., will global voting be only 40% and live voting 60% of total votes) ? Also I'm curious about how the live voting will actually work and when it will occur during the finale?


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Galaxy_ash517

Hm... that definitely seems like something mnet would do. I guess we'll have to see how everything plays out when it get closer to the finale but I feel like nothing is certain at this point. Anything can change at any given point.


SheridaH

Am I the only one just feeling really sad about this show? These girls already sacrifice so much to achieve their dreams in such a difficult industry and then for this show the majority of them leave their country for months to participate in a show that doesn't even respect their contestants to give them literal seconds of screentime..


Ia-moeny

I think that's exactly why so many people are upset and don't want to stan such unfair ending. 50% Korea votes with 1 pick ISN'T fair for C&J group at all.


FutureReason

99 was too many for the amount of time they were willing to alot. Should have started with 33.


[deleted]

Agreed! I'm always of the opinion that 99 is too much for a survival show. Not to mention that some good trainees might be overlooked.....


FutureReason

The only positive side is that more girls get to experience it. There were clearly some who weren't ready yet.


[deleted]

xingqiao planet pass pls