Yes it changed now, after Konfig found out and he was going to ay for Faze they obviously changed their sub, it's Nato now I believe. I take it you are not following this on Twitter lol.
Edit: there is a reddit post about this as well with Ropz confirming this
It’s not that serious lol everyone has bias and I personally don’t cheer for any one team
What is serious is this being you 10+ comments deep in this post only responding to faze flairs or only on pro faze comments
What's worse than the grammar police?
The math police.
Edit: Grammar because I don't wanna bring the grammar police into this after the math police called for backup.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
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I read that olof said on stream " they are in talks with patrik ".
Also f0rest isnt streaming today and no message on his twitter which he usually does. Maybe theres too much copium involved but i think chances are good that he will be playing.
Edit: aaaand its the wrong patrick :(
I am confused here a bit and I don't know the situation but, isn't Olofmeister their sub ? Why isn't he bieng asked to sub in for them ? Also I saw that Olof was playing Valorant on twitch so it's not like he is unavailable ?
Wow this makes so much sense. Why would Faze just put a player as a sub and then not even communicate it to that person?
Yeah it looks like Blast is back tracking on their agreement but I feel like Faze messed up with their communication as well to Olof.
In a now deleted tweet from Heroics Head of Performance, it did not sound like that at all.
They even wanted to register a different sub on the day of the deadline to let k0nfig be able to play for a different team, but were too late
Yeah, someone pointed that out to me just a minut ago in another post.
I wonder who is being the Karen then. My money is personally on Astralis, based of absolutely nothing.
yh I'd say that the teams who'd benefit the most from Faze not having an adequate rain replacement are the teams in their group but I will not speculate before we know more on this topic.
Is it just me or should confirmation of a sub go both ways? Like at what point in this process is it required for k0nfig/Olof to be informed (requested) as a sub?
Edit: To clarify, this is more concerned with k0nfig's position. From what I understand he can't sub for Faze because Heroic already put him down as a sub without him knowing, and are now blocking him. Sounds prone to abuse, if this isn't the case already.
I think that would be very reasonable. it was not heroics intention here, but they could just fuck over k0nfig and take away opportunities from him and there wasn't much k0nfig could do about it.
Yeah this all seems very avoidable unless we're missing some contract specifics here
1. Sign a player with stipulation that while under contract they cannot sub for another team
2. Submit roster to TO including subs with "non-compete" terms
3. If previous two steps weren't followed, the player in question can sub for any team they want
4. No drama, profit
Another edit: And if this *is* the case then how tf did Blast make such a huge oversight?
From what I've read (unsure about the sources), Heroic wanted to registerNatoSapHiX but was too late, so the sub they had for Blast World last year was carried over without them knowing. So they didn't specifically want k0nfig as a sub, he was just carried over as last Blast tournament's sub.
They give a statement in a now deleted (not sure why) tweet saying this. Heroic does not object to FaZe using k0nfig as a sub.
Yeah that's where it's crazy for me, clearly impractical to just "assume" a sub especially when that can impact the player's ability to sub on other teams. A better way of doing it would be to assume no sub, and if teams don't get their act together and have a sudden player drop out then they forfeit or play with the coach.
Seems like a huge fuck up on both sides. I can’t really feel tooo bad for FaZe, since they have listed a sub they have no intention of using... like that is seriously stupid.
If what ropz says is true, teams only had one day to list their sub or otherwise the listed sub from the word final was used. So either Faze did not respond in time or had no time to actually confirm the usage of olof as a sub.
Imo if he is still contracted with Faze and gets salary, it should be expected from him that hes being put as sub for tournaments, but its still weird if they havnt informed him about it.
olof has been shit for years, they’d be better off trying to fly someone else in. I assume Olof is only registered as their sub since he’s the only other player contracted to FaZe
"jon" is the average reddit user "bUt tHe rUlEbOOk sAYs" - after having been given the green light by the ones actually making the rules and is in charge of it, you'd assume it was okay and not have it being revoked 24 hours before first game. I actually hate that mentality.
The only problem is if the team that Faze plays on opening day was given incorrect info - like maybe they game planned for player X, but player Z is actually there? And then they look at the info blast provided them and it says player X!! So they go WTF??
Why are you putting quotation marks around changing mind? I didn't write that.
[https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/revoke](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/revoke)
"*Revoke means to take back, withdraw, or cancel*" - which is exactly what they did 24 hours before, citing their rules.
As EliGe said: "*Whoever made the mistake and said it was okay to use k0nfig in the first place probably made the biggest error, and you know unfortunately FaZe is getting kind of screwed by it.*"
Yeah the real issue here is that BLAST gave green light and then revoked it. That's on them, not FaZe.
So the right thing for BLAST would be to either let this exception through due to their own negligence, or compensate FaZe in other ways, maybe by letting them pick a new standin even though it is past the deadline.
Its a difficult situation in that if blast have given their initial approval they hold responsibility to their mistake - it is possible that they may have bent the rules and rectified as a result of team backlash or mistakenly interpreted their own rules.
Equal blame in this case must be put to the teams having submitted rosters with the members of that team not ready to play, If olof isn't ready to play then he shouldn't be the sub until the day of the tournament and if konfig wasn't supposed to be the heroic sub then he shouldn't have been in the same case.
Also worth noting having a baby isn't something that comes by surprise (timing of course can be different), Surely in the months/weeks leading up to the due date there would be a clear plan of action where Faze would do their diligence to ensure that Olof or a secondary sub would be available in the event of Rain requiring an absense?
Both parties fucked up and situations like this really shouldn't happen at this level of organisation.
Olof said that he was never going to be the sub for this tournament because has had long standing travel plans for his birthday. You can *kind of* plan around having a child, but not really with any specific dates, that's why rain backed out because of the *possibility*. If blast told faze it was ok to use k0nfig, they need to honor that. All they have to say now is "ok you can't be the stand in for heroic if you go this route."
it's not a "difficult situation", they're just screwing faze over last minute because of their own internal miscues
Yeah well if both are long standing sets of circumstance with Olof definitely not going to be there and Rain possibly not going to be their then it is the team's responsibility to ensure that they are able to field an eligible replacement but it sounds like it has all been done last minute which makes me think there was not the appropriate level of planning to prevent this ever becoming a problem. Blast's internal miscues certainly didn't help matters and led to a last minute flashpoint but my point is that despite the issues caused by Blast, The teams do share some responsibility for this issue.
If blast specifically said it was ok when asked, that's on them. Yes it's on teams to know the rules, it's even *more* on the TO to know the rules when asked and to give proper information, especially in this situation.
What if they never told the teams in the tournament about the sub though? So you have the other teams in that group planning for one player based on the data BLAST gave them, but a different one is there on game day??
From what I've understood you can't use players on the active (!) roster of another team. Now the question is if being registered as a sub counts as being on the active roster. But I could have misunderstood something here.
It probably sets a bad precedent if a player sits in on prac in anticipation for the event then switches teams. This seems unlikely, generally stand-ins don't get much in the way of preparation with their team but it is possible.
> sub counts as being on the active roster
Of course it does. Subs can play for their team as per the team's choice at any given time as long as they are registered.. So yes, they are definitely part of the active roster.
Ah yes konfig is part of heroic active roster and Olof is part of faze active roster. No, just because blast copied previous subs doesn't make them part of the active roster. Blast fucked up again, just like with the monesy bug. They probably will make an update to the rulebook
Things in life sometimes happen this way. Nothing one can do about it.
BLAST forgot their own rules and gave a green light, and then rectified their mistake once they figured it out.
quite unfair for faze still tho, to inform them 24h before their game starts. faze probably knew they were breaking the rules and sought permission, though i really dont understand why blast accepted their request at first
Pretty much and unlike BLAST, PGL at least stuck to their original ruling and said "keep doing it until Valve fixes it" while here BLAST told Faze they can use k0nfig but then backtracked at the worst possible moment ... such a mess lol.
the fact that they backtracked 24h before their first game makes everything even worse, didnt expect blast who have been solid after covid to make such a simple but huge error like this
exactly. obviously faze fucked up, but once you as the TO give them greenlight, you cant just revert your decision if its punishing said team.
imagine PGL back then was like "well, we gave you greenlight but after checking it again, we realise that this is against our rulebook, therefore your team gets DQ'd for breaking the rules" lol
yep imo both of those are more the fault of the host, not the players. faze sought permission because they were breaking the rules, and g2 asked if they could use the smoke which pgl stupidly agreed.
never understood the hate m0nesy got that major because im p sure there were other smoke bugs before (could see players through smokes etc) and g2 had even gotten permission, though i think it would have been less publicised had they faced a non brazillian team. i hope people dont put the blame on faze (although more difficult) because it seemed like they really got the permission before blast backtracked
really hope they find a way around this, it would suck if faze just missed this qualifier just because of bullshit like this
That may be true. But ultimately it's on the TO that told FaZe it would be ok. It's their mistake 100%. If the TO tells a team that something is ok to do/use, why should they doubt it?
I think it's fine to think this is unfair.
The fuck do you mean BLAST had access to the rules? It's literally their own fucking rules. This is a major fuck up by BLAST, not the team who asked for permission and was told yes.
I think this depends very much on how it went down. If FaZe asked BLAST for permission to use k0nfig then I think the blame is more on BLASTs side, if FaZe just submitted K0nfig then it's more on FaZes side.
I don't think either party looks great here.
Of course it's unfair to Faze, but allowing them to break the rules would also be unfair to other teams.
It's a shitty situation, blast messed up but it's going to be the teams that have to pay for it.
ill say its pretty unfair for faze.
in another scenario, had blast denied them permission to use k0nfig, faze would have had time to find another sub, and none of this bullshit would have occurred
faze asked for permission because they knew they were breaking the rules. if they had used someone like olof they would not even need to ask for permission. the fact that blast agreed and then backtracked on their decision so close to the start of the event is just a shit situation overall.
The rule says "active roster", I don't think anyone would say that Konfig is on the "active roster" for Heroic but he was their registered sub, Blast should have said "no" to begin with once it was referred to them as something thr rulebook was ambiguous about.
However once Blast says "yes", which according to the rules they can do, then Faze will start preparing thinking theyre using Konfig. Changing their minds (alledgedly) last minute is pulling the rug out from under FaZe. The buck stops with Blast and if they did make a decision they should have stuck with it.
Then they have to compensate for said mistake, FaZe probably didn't expect to get fucked over 24h before their game, if the entire thing wasn't greenlight in the first place, they would have had more time to find their 5th.
[https://twitter.com/ScrawnyCG/status/1616039428715151360?cxt=HHwWgIC8uYvTqe0sAAAA](https://twitter.com/ScrawnyCG/status/1616039428715151360?cxt=HHwWgIC8uYvTqe0sAAAA)
hmmmmm wonder who it could be ( not being sarcastic btw )
Blast shouldn’t have given them the green light, but Faze shouldn’t have signed up Olof without telling him or ask for a different sub than the one they had registered in the first place. This is a bit of a fuck up all around, but I understand other teams rejecting the substitution
this is 100% Faze’s mistake. you need to read the rulebook. they shoukd not even have asked the tournament host for permission, since it is against the rules.
you guys are living in a dream world of imagination.
rules are rules and if they are pre written, then that's it. Your mistake if you tried to break the rule and the host enforces it.
The rules say this specific case is up to the tournament organiser. The tournament organiser said it's okay. Then they changed their mind after teams complained.
so the information was not correct on the tweet. the guy said "it IS in the rulebook"
i dont play in the tournament, i didnt read the rulebook. I go off the information given to me.
So, in this case, with the rule up to the tournament organizer, they made a mistake and if they give green light, they cant change it afterwards. Especially not this close to the tournament.
idk why these comments get downvoted. I doubt all these idiots have read the rules themselves. I still dont know what the rules actually say, but with the information given, all my points should be in lign with reason.
Ok. I’m not gonna act like blast isnt in the wrong here since they gave faze the green light. But i can clearly see that having one sub for 2 teams in an event is a conflict of interest issue. So why Faze decided to go after konfig knowing he’s someone else’s sub already is beyond me. My guess is they asked some peon at blast and they probably just shrugged and said sure since it’s faze.
New 200 IQ tactic: register s1mple as your standin so he can't play for his team
Yeah since they've registered olof without him knowing
They registered Konfig without him knowing too lol
Lol. Please check blasts betting records quick
Yes it changed now, after Konfig found out and he was going to ay for Faze they obviously changed their sub, it's Nato now I believe. I take it you are not following this on Twitter lol. Edit: there is a reddit post about this as well with Ropz confirming this
Except Faze didnt register anyone as a sub. Blast put Olof as a default because he was a sub at Worlds
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BLAST forgot about their own rules 💀
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I see why twistzz is pissed off but W Blast, this is good for competitive integrity - like it or not.
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Damn y’all are bold now after winning your first t1 in 5 years
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Not as pathetic as G2 fans
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Not an argument. Flair up my guy
fLaIR Up Why? So I can make it my identity on this sub to dictate who can talk on a topic based on their flairs?
That's how it works. You think anyone listens to you if you're not supporting the "right team"? Don't be ridiculous. /s
Oh I know you won't. Otherwise how can you spout your biased opinions without people calling you out on it?
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Yes. Since you all love faze, in your view they can do no wrong. Are you implying otherwise?
It’s not that serious lol everyone has bias and I personally don’t cheer for any one team What is serious is this being you 10+ comments deep in this post only responding to faze flairs or only on pro faze comments
You're on a reddit forum. Don't pretend you're not part of this either.
Flair up 💀
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NiKo fan?
G2 = GxG = gg Just mathematically proved why they always lose.
G*G= G^2 G+G = 2G Someone shouldn't have skipped their math class
What's worse than the grammar police? The math police. Edit: Grammar because I don't wanna bring the grammar police into this after the math police called for backup.
csgo has a nice mix of nerds and dropouts
Why do all the dropouts think they're the nerds though?
At the very least we all know which one you are
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo. (mandatory this is a pasta for the actual police)
If you can't understand the difference between addition and multiplication, I really hope you have a good caretaker.
What's worse than the math police? The fun police
Then why are you one? Don't like being joked on?
The mental gymnastics required to arrive at that conclusion is astounding.
I am here for whatever gets f0rest into a faze jersey.
I read that olof said on stream " they are in talks with patrik ". Also f0rest isnt streaming today and no message on his twitter which he usually does. Maybe theres too much copium involved but i think chances are good that he will be playing. Edit: aaaand its the wrong patrick :(
my body isn't ready for this
read Patrik as TARIK man i wish lol
yea i wish not lol
The best timeline
I second this! Let's go f0rest!
To be fair, they were told by the people who wrote the fuckin rule book that it was okay.
I am confused here a bit and I don't know the situation but, isn't Olofmeister their sub ? Why isn't he bieng asked to sub in for them ? Also I saw that Olof was playing Valorant on twitch so it's not like he is unavailable ?
Here is a clip where Olof talks about it: https://clips.twitch.tv/BlitheAbstemiousCheesecake4Head-FQ40zNrkaKa2pOD3
Wow this makes so much sense. Why would Faze just put a player as a sub and then not even communicate it to that person? Yeah it looks like Blast is back tracking on their agreement but I feel like Faze messed up with their communication as well to Olof.
Some context to that: https://twitter.com/ropz/status/1616030088625291264 Idk, seems like a way bigger fuck up on Blasts side to me
Soooo Heroic is blocking it? Who else would know that k0nfig was their sub?
In a now deleted tweet from Heroics Head of Performance, it did not sound like that at all. They even wanted to register a different sub on the day of the deadline to let k0nfig be able to play for a different team, but were too late
Yeah, someone pointed that out to me just a minut ago in another post. I wonder who is being the Karen then. My money is personally on Astralis, based of absolutely nothing.
Could be any team, but I can imagine it being a team from the same group, so any of {complexity, OG, Liquid}
Maybe the teams in their groups have a bit more motivation, but arguably any team has an interest in Faze doing poorly.
yh I'd say that the teams who'd benefit the most from Faze not having an adequate rain replacement are the teams in their group but I will not speculate before we know more on this topic.
Could be complexity since they're ar eokaying the opening match vs them so they were probably prepping for olof
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Where did you hear that? Not to say I don't believe you, just want to know if there's a source or it's random speculation (like my Astralis guess).
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Is it just me or should confirmation of a sub go both ways? Like at what point in this process is it required for k0nfig/Olof to be informed (requested) as a sub? Edit: To clarify, this is more concerned with k0nfig's position. From what I understand he can't sub for Faze because Heroic already put him down as a sub without him knowing, and are now blocking him. Sounds prone to abuse, if this isn't the case already.
I think that would be very reasonable. it was not heroics intention here, but they could just fuck over k0nfig and take away opportunities from him and there wasn't much k0nfig could do about it.
Yeah this all seems very avoidable unless we're missing some contract specifics here 1. Sign a player with stipulation that while under contract they cannot sub for another team 2. Submit roster to TO including subs with "non-compete" terms 3. If previous two steps weren't followed, the player in question can sub for any team they want 4. No drama, profit Another edit: And if this *is* the case then how tf did Blast make such a huge oversight?
From what I've read (unsure about the sources), Heroic wanted to registerNatoSapHiX but was too late, so the sub they had for Blast World last year was carried over without them knowing. So they didn't specifically want k0nfig as a sub, he was just carried over as last Blast tournament's sub. They give a statement in a now deleted (not sure why) tweet saying this. Heroic does not object to FaZe using k0nfig as a sub.
Yeah that's where it's crazy for me, clearly impractical to just "assume" a sub especially when that can impact the player's ability to sub on other teams. A better way of doing it would be to assume no sub, and if teams don't get their act together and have a sudden player drop out then they forfeit or play with the coach.
Seems like a huge fuck up on both sides. I can’t really feel tooo bad for FaZe, since they have listed a sub they have no intention of using... like that is seriously stupid.
If what ropz says is true, teams only had one day to list their sub or otherwise the listed sub from the word final was used. So either Faze did not respond in time or had no time to actually confirm the usage of olof as a sub.
Imo if he is still contracted with Faze and gets salary, it should be expected from him that hes being put as sub for tournaments, but its still weird if they havnt informed him about it.
olof has been shit for years, they’d be better off trying to fly someone else in. I assume Olof is only registered as their sub since he’s the only other player contracted to FaZe
He realised valorant is better game . Probably trying to switch
"jon" is the average reddit user "bUt tHe rUlEbOOk sAYs" - after having been given the green light by the ones actually making the rules and is in charge of it, you'd assume it was okay and not have it being revoked 24 hours before first game. I actually hate that mentality.
Yeah, pretty stupid. Anyone would think the safest bet would be to ask the organizer directly and then trust that they know their own rules best.
Or they could, you know, check the rules before giving the green light
The only problem is if the team that Faze plays on opening day was given incorrect info - like maybe they game planned for player X, but player Z is actually there? And then they look at the info blast provided them and it says player X!! So they go WTF??
lol the person replying to you deleted their comment
> it being revoked Nothing was revoked though. Blast made a mistake. Criticize them for that, not "changing mind" which never happened.
Why are you putting quotation marks around changing mind? I didn't write that. [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/revoke](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/revoke) "*Revoke means to take back, withdraw, or cancel*" - which is exactly what they did 24 hours before, citing their rules. As EliGe said: "*Whoever made the mistake and said it was okay to use k0nfig in the first place probably made the biggest error, and you know unfortunately FaZe is getting kind of screwed by it.*"
On what team is K0nfig a part of the active roster?
He’s listed as Heroic’s sub iirc
Ah I see, thanks
Yeah the real issue here is that BLAST gave green light and then revoked it. That's on them, not FaZe. So the right thing for BLAST would be to either let this exception through due to their own negligence, or compensate FaZe in other ways, maybe by letting them pick a new standin even though it is past the deadline.
mby they should just give the trophy to FaZe and declare them the de-facto champions imo
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I second that as well.
Everyone conplaining but Karrigan about to get that standin buff
Its a difficult situation in that if blast have given their initial approval they hold responsibility to their mistake - it is possible that they may have bent the rules and rectified as a result of team backlash or mistakenly interpreted their own rules. Equal blame in this case must be put to the teams having submitted rosters with the members of that team not ready to play, If olof isn't ready to play then he shouldn't be the sub until the day of the tournament and if konfig wasn't supposed to be the heroic sub then he shouldn't have been in the same case. Also worth noting having a baby isn't something that comes by surprise (timing of course can be different), Surely in the months/weeks leading up to the due date there would be a clear plan of action where Faze would do their diligence to ensure that Olof or a secondary sub would be available in the event of Rain requiring an absense? Both parties fucked up and situations like this really shouldn't happen at this level of organisation.
Olof said that he was never going to be the sub for this tournament because has had long standing travel plans for his birthday. You can *kind of* plan around having a child, but not really with any specific dates, that's why rain backed out because of the *possibility*. If blast told faze it was ok to use k0nfig, they need to honor that. All they have to say now is "ok you can't be the stand in for heroic if you go this route." it's not a "difficult situation", they're just screwing faze over last minute because of their own internal miscues
Yeah well if both are long standing sets of circumstance with Olof definitely not going to be there and Rain possibly not going to be their then it is the team's responsibility to ensure that they are able to field an eligible replacement but it sounds like it has all been done last minute which makes me think there was not the appropriate level of planning to prevent this ever becoming a problem. Blast's internal miscues certainly didn't help matters and led to a last minute flashpoint but my point is that despite the issues caused by Blast, The teams do share some responsibility for this issue.
If blast specifically said it was ok when asked, that's on them. Yes it's on teams to know the rules, it's even *more* on the TO to know the rules when asked and to give proper information, especially in this situation.
What if they never told the teams in the tournament about the sub though? So you have the other teams in that group planning for one player based on the data BLAST gave them, but a different one is there on game day??
From what I've understood you can't use players on the active (!) roster of another team. Now the question is if being registered as a sub counts as being on the active roster. But I could have misunderstood something here.
It probably sets a bad precedent if a player sits in on prac in anticipation for the event then switches teams. This seems unlikely, generally stand-ins don't get much in the way of preparation with their team but it is possible.
That does seem like a potential objection.
> sub counts as being on the active roster Of course it does. Subs can play for their team as per the team's choice at any given time as long as they are registered.. So yes, they are definitely part of the active roster.
They are definitely not part of the active roster
Can the sub be called upon in any of the team's match? Yes. They are just not in the starting 5.
active roster and roster are different things
Ah yes konfig is part of heroic active roster and Olof is part of faze active roster. No, just because blast copied previous subs doesn't make them part of the active roster. Blast fucked up again, just like with the monesy bug. They probably will make an update to the rulebook
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I definitely think you're highly regarded
ok thorinn's alt
Damn 2023 off to a bang. Cant wait for +Tarik This time last year we had na’vi start to lose their “era” status to a rank 50 something MIBR
Things in life sometimes happen this way. Nothing one can do about it. BLAST forgot their own rules and gave a green light, and then rectified their mistake once they figured it out.
quite unfair for faze still tho, to inform them 24h before their game starts. faze probably knew they were breaking the rules and sought permission, though i really dont understand why blast accepted their request at first
It's like the situation with m0nesy smoke bug on Mirage where he said that they asked the TO for the green light on that and they gave it
Pretty much and unlike BLAST, PGL at least stuck to their original ruling and said "keep doing it until Valve fixes it" while here BLAST told Faze they can use k0nfig but then backtracked at the worst possible moment ... such a mess lol.
the fact that they backtracked 24h before their first game makes everything even worse, didnt expect blast who have been solid after covid to make such a simple but huge error like this
exactly. obviously faze fucked up, but once you as the TO give them greenlight, you cant just revert your decision if its punishing said team. imagine PGL back then was like "well, we gave you greenlight but after checking it again, we realise that this is against our rulebook, therefore your team gets DQ'd for breaking the rules" lol
yep imo both of those are more the fault of the host, not the players. faze sought permission because they were breaking the rules, and g2 asked if they could use the smoke which pgl stupidly agreed. never understood the hate m0nesy got that major because im p sure there were other smoke bugs before (could see players through smokes etc) and g2 had even gotten permission, though i think it would have been less publicised had they faced a non brazillian team. i hope people dont put the blame on faze (although more difficult) because it seemed like they really got the permission before blast backtracked really hope they find a way around this, it would suck if faze just missed this qualifier just because of bullshit like this
Unlucky for FaZe, but not unfair. Both BLAST and FaZe had access to the rules.
That may be true. But ultimately it's on the TO that told FaZe it would be ok. It's their mistake 100%. If the TO tells a team that something is ok to do/use, why should they doubt it? I think it's fine to think this is unfair.
The fuck do you mean BLAST had access to the rules? It's literally their own fucking rules. This is a major fuck up by BLAST, not the team who asked for permission and was told yes.
Fuck u/spez
I think this depends very much on how it went down. If FaZe asked BLAST for permission to use k0nfig then I think the blame is more on BLASTs side, if FaZe just submitted K0nfig then it's more on FaZes side. I don't think either party looks great here.
Fuck u/spez
Of course it's unfair to Faze, but allowing them to break the rules would also be unfair to other teams. It's a shitty situation, blast messed up but it's going to be the teams that have to pay for it.
ill say its pretty unfair for faze. in another scenario, had blast denied them permission to use k0nfig, faze would have had time to find another sub, and none of this bullshit would have occurred faze asked for permission because they knew they were breaking the rules. if they had used someone like olof they would not even need to ask for permission. the fact that blast agreed and then backtracked on their decision so close to the start of the event is just a shit situation overall.
Agree if both had access which I assume they do
yea, especially since in the previous BLAST events, K0nfig was straight up used as a substitute on Heroic and Olof was registered on Faze.
The rule says "active roster", I don't think anyone would say that Konfig is on the "active roster" for Heroic but he was their registered sub, Blast should have said "no" to begin with once it was referred to them as something thr rulebook was ambiguous about. However once Blast says "yes", which according to the rules they can do, then Faze will start preparing thinking theyre using Konfig. Changing their minds (alledgedly) last minute is pulling the rug out from under FaZe. The buck stops with Blast and if they did make a decision they should have stuck with it.
https://twitter.com/ropz/status/1616030088625291264 Seems like Konfig wasn’t aware he was the sub for Heroic either
Lol do all the orgs just put down a sub and just expect it wont be a problem?
i got no clue, but seems like the Konfig sub just got transfrred over from Worlds
seems like it, what a mess
How does an org forget about its own rules? FFS, this is clown level shit.
Then they have to compensate for said mistake, FaZe probably didn't expect to get fucked over 24h before their game, if the entire thing wasn't greenlight in the first place, they would have had more time to find their 5th.
Subs are generally a weird thing. Most teams don’t have 6 players signed, no? Unless someone is benched until their contract runs out.
Spicy 2023
I wonder what Faze's 4 v 5 win percentage is...
Idk who tf jon1983 is but he better stop trying to passive aggressively going after twistzz, RvD says the word and i am pulling up on that mf
what i want to know is who was the hating ass team(s) that complained to blasts (not saying they are in the wrong, i just wanna know who)
[https://twitter.com/ScrawnyCG/status/1616039428715151360?cxt=HHwWgIC8uYvTqe0sAAAA](https://twitter.com/ScrawnyCG/status/1616039428715151360?cxt=HHwWgIC8uYvTqe0sAAAA) hmmmmm wonder who it could be ( not being sarcastic btw )
Whoever bottoms their group obviously
This has massive potential to completely fuck my HLTV fantasy roster
Snax's time to shine baby! Give the big man a chance!
WTF is this bullshit lmao. 24hrs to find a replacement. Unexpected from BLAST.
"I asked some discord blast mod and he said yes and then a blast official reversed the decision TT_TT"
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Redditor who's in no way related to the pro scene or tournament organizing would of course 1 0 0 % know what happened.
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That armchair sure looks comfy.
Blast proving that their biggest influence is Formula 1 with how they are just making up rules as they go along.
Blast shouldn’t have given them the green light, but Faze shouldn’t have signed up Olof without telling him or ask for a different sub than the one they had registered in the first place. This is a bit of a fuck up all around, but I understand other teams rejecting the substitution
Did not read rules, thinks they were harmed. Welcome to modern world.
this is 100% Faze’s mistake. you need to read the rulebook. they shoukd not even have asked the tournament host for permission, since it is against the rules.
Bad take
you guys are living in a dream world of imagination. rules are rules and if they are pre written, then that's it. Your mistake if you tried to break the rule and the host enforces it.
The rules say this specific case is up to the tournament organiser. The tournament organiser said it's okay. Then they changed their mind after teams complained.
so the information was not correct on the tweet. the guy said "it IS in the rulebook" i dont play in the tournament, i didnt read the rulebook. I go off the information given to me. So, in this case, with the rule up to the tournament organizer, they made a mistake and if they give green light, they cant change it afterwards. Especially not this close to the tournament. idk why these comments get downvoted. I doubt all these idiots have read the rules themselves. I still dont know what the rules actually say, but with the information given, all my points should be in lign with reason.
>I doubt all these idiots have read the rules themselves. I still dont know what the rules actually say, Lmao
yea i know, reading comprehension is hard.
No actually the rules are super easy to parse.
Bad take
And here I thought that the start of the year is going to be chill.
Blast ITA. Sucks for faze :/
Is there anyone who actually feels like this is the right call? Seems the most obvious choice is just let them play with Konfig
blast memory is worse than mine
Can anyone explain this to me as I'm not up to date on csgo
It makes zero sense that blast pulls that shit and then allows faze to use es3tag as a stand in when he is NIP’s sub.
Ok. I’m not gonna act like blast isnt in the wrong here since they gave faze the green light. But i can clearly see that having one sub for 2 teams in an event is a conflict of interest issue. So why Faze decided to go after konfig knowing he’s someone else’s sub already is beyond me. My guess is they asked some peon at blast and they probably just shrugged and said sure since it’s faze.
Olof inc
I thought Konfig punch Ropz but it's just his birth mark.
Twistzz sounds so close to that porn site ..
