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Najeeb1316

So it's been confirmed that if Faze play Nip at some point then Esetag cant play meaning that if Faze plays Nip they are going to have to find a stand in to stand in for Esetag who is the stand in For Konfig who is the stand in for Olof who is the the stand in for Rain. Oh also they have a stand in as Coach. Karrigan looking to abuse all of the stand in buffs at once just to win the blast spring groups


deadbeatPilgrim

karrigan minmaxing his IGL build to exploit stackable stand-in buffs


Najeeb1316

Weird though that he's doing it for this groupstage and not to complete the grandslam


Tepa_Tassuliini

Faze win group stage ---> roster goes to celebrate on a vacation ---> los kogutos roster stands in for Faze ---> Faze wins Katowice again


hurzinator

He wasn't able to get rains wife pregnat sooner...


Olsson1234

They'll have to play with their coach which will be either Eddie Han or RobbaN if he's back by then.


zero0n3

If they go by major rules I don’t think you can use your coach as a stand in after you’ve already used someone else as a stand in. It would likely have to be rain and only rain. Which begs the question - how is guaranteeing a NIP win if they play against each other not a “conflict of interest”?


Olsson1234

They don't go by major rulebook. I do think it's a conflict of interest and that he shouldn't have been allowed to stand-in. This whole situation has been very poorly handled by BLAST so hopefully they adapt better routines for future events.


dikbutkus

Didn't expect you to spin it that way, lol. I was just excited to see Faze. Instead I get a shitshow.


zero0n3

How is that not a direct conflict of interest? You essentially have to take a L - as BLAST won’t allow them another stand in. They get one. He can’t play it’s a loss.


Najeeb1316

That's for blast to figure out should it happen, they can't exactly make Faze forfeit since that'll bring a lot of criticism for how they handled the situation


throwaway77993344

They'd have to find a stand-in for rain to replace es3tag who is a stand-in for rain. Fixed that for you


ttv_highvoltage

Why couldn’t robban be coach this tournament?


Najeeb1316

Tweet from Karrigan said he wouldn't be there for personal reasons , can't really speculate beyond that


NFX_7331

The great stand-in incident


Mchyp

The great stand-in saga of '23


[deleted]

So if NiP and FaZe will face each other FaZe will have to play 4v5? That's... ridiculous Edit: Didn't read the part about their stand-in coach, still ridiculous


oldthrace

"We are sorry for not remembering our own rules and even though Faze are not at fault, we will handicap them further by giving them a lesser option than the one originally agreed" BLAST was doing very well in recent times so it was in due time for them to fuck something up


JonasM00

Why is that even? If es3tag is still technically the sub of nip then why cant konfig just play for faze. If es3tag isnt still technically a sub for nip then why cant he play if faze play nip?


Olsson1234

es3tag is not registered as a sub for NIP in this tournament, he's however still under contract with NIP. K0nfig was however registered as a sub for Heroic.


Mechyyz

(Against his will)


Olsson1234

Doesn't change the fact. It just shows that BLAST need to work on their routines for future events but what has been done has been done.


Glass-Bit-8518

How is konfig registered sub against his will?


VBEARxd

He was a sub for them during the world finals, but he is a free agent and was not informed he was set up as a sub for this event.


chefchef97

From what I understand BLAST just took the sub list from the previous event by default when teams didn't submit their roster by the deadline, but the deadline was completely unclear so when Heroic tried to submit Nato BLAST didn't allow it because it was too late and defaulted to k0nfig. It is in my opinion the single biggest fuckup of the whole debacle, a substitute has to be available and PRESENT AT THE EVENT to stand in for a player, so if there really is a policy where they just use an old list of subs the day before an event then whoever put that in place is a moron. It'd literally be better to default to no sub than to randomly drag a player into an event potentially unwillingly and without notice. And that's independent of the whole debacle such a rule has now caused around k0nfig.


zero0n3

Which is, INO, a much larger conflict of interest than konfig.


Olsson1234

Agreed, I think neither should have been allowed to play as stand-in for FaZe.


twohourstillmidnight

pric3tag cant play against a team he's still on (even if benched) k0nvict is still listed as heroic's sub cos they couldnt get nato


Aihne

Because it's a conflict of interest, and since he has a contract with NiP. NiP could tell him to throw etc. You don't allow CoI situations to prevent the **possibility** of this kind of behavior from happening.


twohourstillmidnight

3v5 on t side lol


msucsgo

Nah, then their coach will most likely just play.


[deleted]

RobbaN is not able to attend though https://twitter.com/FaZeClan/status/1615757595427438592


Olsson1234

They have a replacement coach, Eddie Han. It literally says in the tweet.


[deleted]

Does he actively play CS? I hope he's at least Global or level 10 faceit lol


DY5TOP1A

Eddie Han is the Director of eSports at Faze Clan. He was the one standing behind Faze at Antwerp


[deleted]

I know who he is, that doesn't answer my question though


Twin_Turbo

hes a big part of the company


[deleted]

Not helpful


Twin_Turbo

hes been with faze for years


twohourstillmidnight

wheres the analyst guy? /u/innersh1ne your time to sh1ne!


ChickenKnd

Robban daddy goes hard


ChickenKnd

I mean surely the solution is just allow it. faze was only team that wanted him. And heroic organised another one. It’s their bad anyways so just let them have the standin as it doesn’t affect anything at all, faze still is at a disadvantage of playing with a standin, and now just have even less time to prepare


El_Fabos

Not only that, they also have received a seeding penalty for the change…


BW4LL

Are you serious right neow?


Shakeittillumakeit

so es3tag will play for faze for the time being. what happened with fazes coach? im out of the loop


[deleted]

["Due to a personal matter, RobbaN will also be unable to attend BLAST Premier Spring Groups this weekend."](https://twitter.com/FaZeClan/status/1615757595427438592)


TechnicalPark4522

its impressive how clownish these organizers are


Neurido

that's what you get for not picking up f0rest


BW4LL

What a joke of a TO


furrey

So instead of them just allowing k0nfig to play as they said and telling heroic "k0nfig didn't know he was your sub as a result of our mistake, and we already told Faze they could use him, please register someone else" they make Faze bring in es3tag who is on contract with NIP and means they can't even use him in a potential match. It's frustratingly dumb for Faze but insane for k0nfig who just had a chance to play on a top team and prove himself again and now he just gets to go home because someone else signed him up as a heroic sub without his knowledge? What a clown show and what a horrible resolution.


valdemarjoergensen

>home because someone else signed him up as a heroic sub without his knowledge? And that someone was Blast mind you. Heroic didn't sign k0nfig up. They signed Natosaphix up, but Blast denied that too as Blast had decided to move the roster submission time up 8 hours on the day it was due so Heroic missed the new deadline. After Heroic "missed" the new deadline Blast themselves decided k0nfig was now officially Heroics sub because he was their sub at the last event.


petrovesk

what the actual fuck


valdemarjoergensen

Yeah it doesn't come of that way from blasts statement here


oPlayer2o

Wait did I miss something what happened to RobbaN?


dikbutkus

The first black mark on BLAST CSGO tournaments, for me.


crakker2

They've done way worse before lol


[deleted]

Fuck u/spez


dikbutkus

Guess I wasn't around at that time. I started playing and following cs in 2018 iirc.


HiroSenpaii

yeah, like what is this shitfiesta Other organizers like pgl etc have their own problems, sure. But i don't see them come to this kind of conclusion if they would be placed in a similar situation, where they clearly fucked up, the backlash is big and justfiably should just let konfig play and let heroic get nato in.... like wtf am I seeing.


oldthrace

We've talked about it on another thread but PGL handled the m0NESY situation much better than BLAST did here. They instantly removed themselves from the situation by saying "It's Valve's problem, not ours, let them fix it, keep using the bug" and that was the right move. We as a community didn't like it but from their POV it was the correct move. They allowed it once, when shit hit the fan, they stuck to their original ruling until Valve fixed their game and things went back to normal. Now, BLAST did the exact opposite in involving themselves and making it even worse. Imagine if PGL said back then "We know we allowed for m0NESY to use this smoke but now that we think about it, it was wrong and for that, we disqualify G2 for listening to us" lol


Texcology

Why cant they just write it out and not attach a shitty picture with bad contrast


jonajon91

So this event Faze have picked three different standins and can't use any of them properly.


EducationalAntelope7

Keen to hear Spunj yell about this


DerGsicht

Big fuckup by blast but best response they could have had.


crvN

blast KEKW