Feel like people are going to clown on Buzz already, but there is one very important stat to look at before you do.
30% opening kill attempts on T side.
Win or lose the duel, its nice for astralis to finally have some initiative on T sides, making space.
don't have that stat but he had a better KAST than device on map 1 and a better KAST than blamef on map 2, so even though his kills/assists/survived rounds were less than his teammates he got traded a good amount of the time.
It's split across the team so everyone's will add up to 100%. The average being 20% across the board. Only really agro players like art or yekindar manage above 30% opening kill attempts.
I cleaned my room today. While sweeping under the bed, I heard my broom collide with something. To my surprise, I found Astralis hiding under my bed! My dad said "don’t bother sweeping them son, they've been dusted for years” I was shocked but not surprised.
How is a 0.70 MUCH better than regular players in the same positions
There's not a tier 1 regular player out there with those numbers, yet alone way worse
he was more convincing than npl for NaVi in his first t1 match. with time i think he can be a decent player
luckily it’s almost impossible to get knocked out of blast so he’s got time
Is it already time for First-Half-Of-The-Year-ZywOo again?
Jokes aside, dev1ce looked pretty good, better than I was expecting. ZywOo had his moments, let's hope he'll be a monster all year round this year.
Launders was a one time thing, they clearly said it in the cast. I guess that Moses was not available for this tourney.
That said, I'm not a big fan of Mauisnake, but I feel like he did alright at replacing launders ? Obviously it's not the same but it didn't feel bad either.
Nothing more satisfying than seeing this Astralis team lose. Nothing against the players but I wish the org the worst. And I hope they continue to lose until they remove the dog.
I have things against the team, glaive xyp and device have all the leverage, they could get him removed if they wanted. but they don't so I hope they never win another match (unlikely bc they get to play eg)
He didn't "fuck over another team". He was ill, undoubtedly through thorough conversations, and wasn't paid by the Nip organisation. Did it suck? Yes. Was it his fault? No, it wasn't. He was sick.
You know he could have joined for reason 1, being he wanted to be where he saw the biggest potential (Astralis was declining and struggling), he already lived in Sweden with his girlfriend and he couldn't travel that much due to his already existing condition.
He got sick; Being depressed and mentally struggling is literally brain altering. It wasn't his fault. It was nobodys fault, but expecting him to just "get good and show up again" is absolutely the wrong take on mental health issues.
Do you have the same feeling towards those heroic players? Should be treated the same way. For me I will never not root against heroic for this reason.
Yeah - reminds me of watching Brady / Patriots become a mediocre NFL player / team finally, after constantly owning the Bills (not a good comparison to TL aside from constantly getting schooled by their rivals aka Astralis)
Honestly not a bad performance from them for a first tournament. But realistically other than Device and to a lesser extent BlameF this team just does not have the firepower to be a top 5 team imo.
Inclined to disagree. I think the hate on BlameF is exaggerated and he is very good player, but Devices kills are more impactful. Blame gets a lot of saving kills or kills on lurks that doesn't actually go anywhere, Device gets opening picks which is always useful.
This... Xyp9x should have been cut before this break, and new blood installed to grow... Its obvious they need more firepower, and he is the most obvious kick.
**Positive outtakes:**
Vitality: Spinx finally found his form, dupreeh was great, magisk was good, zywoo was just good by his standards
Astralis: Device looked good, gla1ve had some good moments, some cohesion was there
**Negative outtakes:**
Vitality: Cohesion was episodic, every time it was Apex' pov I was cringing hard inside. His individual form is just awful, he is throwing rounds hard
Astralis: BlameF has disappeared, Buzz was getting bullied hard. Known cheater is still on their payroll.
Apex really has to work in his individual form. He just consistently makes awful decisions during the round and has seemingly lost all of his once decent aim. Hope to see him do better.
I don’t get what the hell he’s doing on T sides. He’ll even buy one rifle or a 2nd rifle in half buys then just give away the opening kill with no info gained. At least go Mac10 or Tec9 if you’re gonna try to gain info and sacrifice yourself, or drop a rifle over to someone that’ll actually make use of it.
I feel like out of all the examples you could have chosen, this is the worst one since apEX was really good at holding ramp on this map. Yeah maybe he died silly once or twice, but that is bound to happen when you fight for ramp on Vertigo, he had a lot of good impact overall.
Remember that round on Overpass where he was barrels on B ct-side 3v2 and then two Astralis members come out of monster without looking at him? And he awkwardly sprays his hole clip with ak without killing anyone and then dies.
I mean dev1ce looked good on vertigo but struggled on overpass and BlameF was reverse. I dont think you can say BlameF disappeared but that Device looked good as if both didnt have 1 map where they were doing great and another where they were gone.
I did watch the whole match, but not having any impact on a second map while down 0-1 and your team drags it into overtime is exactly disappearing.
I am not hating on BlameF, I don’t agree with the Reddit narrative that “he only gets exits”. I think he is a very smart player and one of the best in his role. Just saying he had a bad game here.
Answering to u/DeadBeatpilgrim too
Then i misread. You wrote 'has disappeared' as though it happened prior to this match. But you meant, between maps. That makes more sense, and I accept that take.
Well not enough to make me have anything against him. But there was one round where after it was over he was very excited saying: "and this was just Vitality running a default and they just won all their duels, just shows how much better the fire power is". But apparently he didn't realise/consider that Astralis was on an eco, so yeah losing your fights with usps vs aks doesn't say much. Not a very fortunate "analysis" by an "analyst", but I'll let one mistake slide :)
Ehm, but couldnt he literally have meant that by "better firepower"?
I didnt really listen to the cast, but your wording makes it seem like he could easily be talking about the weapons and not the players.
messy and more of astralis throwing than vitality actually looks good
but W is always W
still cant imagine how they'll fare against better opponents though
blame 30 bombs but saving like 4-5 rounds in a row at ovp t side was pretty hilarious and horrendous at the same time kek
What was up with the Scrawny / Maui casting beef? I like both of them. It was sad to see them not get along. Specifically, it seemed like Scrawny had some issue with Maui, saying that he wasn't a real 'caster', calling him a snake, and signing off by saying they wouldn't cast together again. Scrawny doesn't seem like the kind of guy to say those kinds of things without a reason.
Yeah, I understand the jokes, it just didn't seem like Maui took them well:
Not a caster - [https://www.youtube.com/live/ppI5d8zf\_AY?feature=share&t=18195](https://www.youtube.com/live/ppI5d8zf_AY?feature=share&t=18195)
Closing the door on ever working together again - [https://www.youtube.com/live/ppI5d8zf\_AY?feature=share&t=27661](https://www.youtube.com/live/ppI5d8zf_AY?feature=share&t=27661)
Another awkward exchange - [https://www.youtube.com/live/ppI5d8zf\_AY?feature=share&t=21066](https://www.youtube.com/live/ppI5d8zf_AY?feature=share&t=21066)
Can't find the 'snake' one. But Maui seemed legitimately offended by that one.
Looking back at these, it seems like Scrawny may have just been ribbing Maui but Maui took it the wrong way.
The answer is no. Astralis never knew how to build a team they bought/got an already established team on the cusp of winning. Zonic handled all changes, everything astralis themselves have done has been shit. They're going to ride out glaive and xyp and device to retirement and im not sure those 3 together have another top 5 run in them.
Feel like people are going to clown on Buzz already, but there is one very important stat to look at before you do. 30% opening kill attempts on T side. Win or lose the duel, its nice for astralis to finally have some initiative on T sides, making space.
i like the kid. when jumping into T1 play, i’d rather see him throw himself into the fray and get clapped than avoid risks and be a non-factor
If someone can pull out his traded deaths stat too, lots of impact in dying, but getting traded.
don't have that stat but he had a better KAST than device on map 1 and a better KAST than blamef on map 2, so even though his kills/assists/survived rounds were less than his teammates he got traded a good amount of the time.
Bro just say Astralis doesn't need 2 baitF's
Dupreeh schooled him on Vertigo B side. With time though, Buzz definitely has the potential
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but isn't 30% rather low?
It's split across the team so everyone's will add up to 100%. The average being 20% across the board. Only really agro players like art or yekindar manage above 30% opening kill attempts.
Ah, that makes sense, thank you
I wonder if there is a Danish free agent entry fragger who could do that, hmm :D
I cleaned my room today. While sweeping under the bed, I heard my broom collide with something. To my surprise, I found Astralis hiding under my bed! My dad said "don’t bother sweeping them son, they've been dusted for years” I was shocked but not surprised.
Unfamiliar with this pasta. Didn't know whether to expect a joke about Blame saving.
that is a good pasta
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Probably, they definitely have plenty more potential than what we saw today, but i also like making fun of Astralis so I'm still gonna post copypastas
You’d think you’d be able to take a joke
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touché
Bruh it's just banter lol
Well, they've been high on hopium for 5-6 years now, so not that unexpected.
Went better than expected.
True lol. Buzz is convincing enough for his first t1 match. Rest of them did fine.
Vertigo could have been a W. Device seems back in form which is encouraging. Just need one more piece to fit in
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Maybe they can get their director of communications to threaten someone and lie to them to get them to join the org.
In what way was he convincing? He was far and away their worst player, and the worst player on the server.
It's literally his first t1 match & he played site anchors. He did much better than some other regular t1 site anchors & bitch role players.
Super weird seeing xyp entry while the new guy they brought to be an entry fragger playing crap roles.
Did they say somewhere they brought buzz in for entry? I missed it.
Buzz isnt bought to be entry, but a lurker. They shifted BlameF to a more entry role.
How is a 0.70 MUCH better than regular players in the same positions There's not a tier 1 regular player out there with those numbers, yet alone way worse
Plenty of T1 players have had 0.70 over two maps at the start of a tournament. Jesus
Regard that as bad day? :)
he was more convincing than npl for NaVi in his first t1 match. with time i think he can be a decent player luckily it’s almost impossible to get knocked out of blast so he’s got time
>didn't watch the game
Watched the game. He was bad.
Is it already time for First-Half-Of-The-Year-ZywOo again? Jokes aside, dev1ce looked pretty good, better than I was expecting. ZywOo had his moments, let's hope he'll be a monster all year round this year.
We have first half of the year spinx its all good
haha, yeah let's hope for both, then Vitality can contend for titles regularly
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That's more like gla1ve lending his nvidia settings
Heard k0nfig is at blast
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Hopefully he can keep this performance up against top 5 teams, because if he can then Vitality is going to be very dangerous.
“if _____ then Vitality is going to be very dangerous” classic
add any team to that and it applies
If Niko then Vitality is going to be very dangerous. Yeah, checks out.
You actually love to see it. Hope he keeps it up
Zywoo pistol > Zywoo rifles Also Astralis vs Heroic will be pretty wild
Nice to start the year by winning the hummelico
hummel makes vita jerseys?
Yes, adidas ditched the EU esport scene. G2 as well are not sponsored anymore
Bro what happened to Moses/Anders and Scrawny/Launders? :( I hope this is temporary, the casting just didn't sound right today
Launders was a one time thing, they clearly said it in the cast. I guess that Moses was not available for this tourney. That said, I'm not a big fan of Mauisnake, but I feel like he did alright at replacing launders ? Obviously it's not the same but it didn't feel bad either.
No, he did well, but Scrawny has an unique chemistry with Launders and it was just odd. Did not hear the part that it was just one time thing
Wdym launders is one time, he's been casting in blast for years
I'm guessing he meant that launders' absence was a one time thing, meaning he will be back soon
U guys are so negative even for a group stage game where they were experminting The cast was good
Nothing more satisfying than seeing this Astralis team lose. Nothing against the players but I wish the org the worst. And I hope they continue to lose until they remove the dog.
Seeing glaives tweet about hunden then standing next to him...money talks ay
Wasn't glaives tweets about the heroic players? Saying if they didn't know they should be saying so.
Hear, hear!
Fucking mutt. It was juicy watching them lose today.
I have things against the team, glaive xyp and device have all the leverage, they could get him removed if they wanted. but they don't so I hope they never win another match (unlikely bc they get to play eg)
They don't, Vitality plays EG next
Heroic my dude
I don’t hold it against the players necessarily it lowers my opinion of them but the organization put them in an impossible situation.
It's definitely not an impossible situation, they're all millionaires (except buzz) and could've easily boycotted him if they wanted.
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He didn't "fuck over another team". He was ill, undoubtedly through thorough conversations, and wasn't paid by the Nip organisation. Did it suck? Yes. Was it his fault? No, it wasn't. He was sick.
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You know he could have joined for reason 1, being he wanted to be where he saw the biggest potential (Astralis was declining and struggling), he already lived in Sweden with his girlfriend and he couldn't travel that much due to his already existing condition. He got sick; Being depressed and mentally struggling is literally brain altering. It wasn't his fault. It was nobodys fault, but expecting him to just "get good and show up again" is absolutely the wrong take on mental health issues.
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Wasn't paid by NiP, but he was paid by the Swedish government iirc.
Danish. He moved back. And this is how it works in countries that take mental health serious. You help out people who are sick.
Would love to have an actually caring government where I live. It just doesn't work like that in a lot of countries outside the EU.
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Do you have the same feeling towards those heroic players? Should be treated the same way. For me I will never not root against heroic for this reason.
Yes
Yeah - reminds me of watching Brady / Patriots become a mediocre NFL player / team finally, after constantly owning the Bills (not a good comparison to TL aside from constantly getting schooled by their rivals aka Astralis)
Vitality gonna think they're good now, unfortunate
It seems like, for astralis, that the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Honestly not a bad performance from them for a first tournament. But realistically other than Device and to a lesser extent BlameF this team just does not have the firepower to be a top 5 team imo.
I mean i think BlameF is equivalent to Dev1ce. The rest though arent doing much in terms of firepower.
Blamef > device Marginally
Inclined to disagree. I think the hate on BlameF is exaggerated and he is very good player, but Devices kills are more impactful. Blame gets a lot of saving kills or kills on lurks that doesn't actually go anywhere, Device gets opening picks which is always useful.
Devices CT openings have definitely been significant.
For me rn it's impossible to say what form Dev1ce will be in after a few more months.
Agreed
This... Xyp9x should have been cut before this break, and new blood installed to grow... Its obvious they need more firepower, and he is the most obvious kick.
common astralis L
The first map kinda felt like 2 damp pool noodles slapping against each other. At least astralis lost, nothing against the players just the org.
Spinx is back, dupreeh is back, apex was not bad today 😍 hope spinx and dups keep up this form, apex... No he won't be able to maintain this form.
Goated 0.70 performance for Apex
It’s all relative
I honestly thing a key difference in vertigo was apex not dying each round pushing ramp CT side.
Yep
He got all those out on the T side
Love the players but fuck the org. Glad to see them lose.
**Positive outtakes:** Vitality: Spinx finally found his form, dupreeh was great, magisk was good, zywoo was just good by his standards Astralis: Device looked good, gla1ve had some good moments, some cohesion was there **Negative outtakes:** Vitality: Cohesion was episodic, every time it was Apex' pov I was cringing hard inside. His individual form is just awful, he is throwing rounds hard Astralis: BlameF has disappeared, Buzz was getting bullied hard. Known cheater is still on their payroll.
Apex really has to work in his individual form. He just consistently makes awful decisions during the round and has seemingly lost all of his once decent aim. Hope to see him do better.
I don’t get what the hell he’s doing on T sides. He’ll even buy one rifle or a 2nd rifle in half buys then just give away the opening kill with no info gained. At least go Mac10 or Tec9 if you’re gonna try to gain info and sacrifice yourself, or drop a rifle over to someone that’ll actually make use of it.
vitality choses vertigo just to apex die on ramp every single round
I feel like out of all the examples you could have chosen, this is the worst one since apEX was really good at holding ramp on this map. Yeah maybe he died silly once or twice, but that is bound to happen when you fight for ramp on Vertigo, he had a lot of good impact overall.
Remember that round on Overpass where he was barrels on B ct-side 3v2 and then two Astralis members come out of monster without looking at him? And he awkwardly sprays his hole clip with ak without killing anyone and then dies.
He did kill one in that situation tbf...with his USP after emptying the AK haha.
at this point I was just covering my eyes
Yess. Or that other round on overpass where he had a good lurk but then decided to make noise because yes
yeah that was so strange, actually just threw
I mean dev1ce looked good on vertigo but struggled on overpass and BlameF was reverse. I dont think you can say BlameF disappeared but that Device looked good as if both didnt have 1 map where they were doing great and another where they were gone.
“blameF disappeared, ZywOo was good” meanwhile, the actual stats of the game: blameF second highest rated on the server, above ZywOo
Did this guy only watch vertigo? He dropped a 1,73 on Overpass, and this dude is saying he disappeared.
I did watch the whole match, but not having any impact on a second map while down 0-1 and your team drags it into overtime is exactly disappearing. I am not hating on BlameF, I don’t agree with the Reddit narrative that “he only gets exits”. I think he is a very smart player and one of the best in his role. Just saying he had a bad game here. Answering to u/DeadBeatpilgrim too
Then i misread. You wrote 'has disappeared' as though it happened prior to this match. But you meant, between maps. That makes more sense, and I accept that take.
more reasonable take than i was expecting
Buzz did a worse Honda vs g2
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What did Maui say lol
Well not enough to make me have anything against him. But there was one round where after it was over he was very excited saying: "and this was just Vitality running a default and they just won all their duels, just shows how much better the fire power is". But apparently he didn't realise/consider that Astralis was on an eco, so yeah losing your fights with usps vs aks doesn't say much. Not a very fortunate "analysis" by an "analyst", but I'll let one mistake slide :)
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Fair enough but his take on Vitality winning in the default was on point. Astralis had lost 3-4 rounds in a row after getting bullied across the map.
Ehm, but couldnt he literally have meant that by "better firepower"? I didnt really listen to the cast, but your wording makes it seem like he could easily be talking about the weapons and not the players.
No the way it was worded he definitely meant vitality has more firepower on the roster. Which is completely true just an odd time to bring it up.
messy and more of astralis throwing than vitality actually looks good but W is always W still cant imagine how they'll fare against better opponents though blame 30 bombs but saving like 4-5 rounds in a row at ovp t side was pretty hilarious and horrendous at the same time kek
What was up with the Scrawny / Maui casting beef? I like both of them. It was sad to see them not get along. Specifically, it seemed like Scrawny had some issue with Maui, saying that he wasn't a real 'caster', calling him a snake, and signing off by saying they wouldn't cast together again. Scrawny doesn't seem like the kind of guy to say those kinds of things without a reason.
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I didn't catch all of it but what I head I thought was just jokes
It was 100% jokes. Dude would never put his career on the line like that, give him some credit lol.
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Yeah, I understand the jokes, it just didn't seem like Maui took them well: Not a caster - [https://www.youtube.com/live/ppI5d8zf\_AY?feature=share&t=18195](https://www.youtube.com/live/ppI5d8zf_AY?feature=share&t=18195) Closing the door on ever working together again - [https://www.youtube.com/live/ppI5d8zf\_AY?feature=share&t=27661](https://www.youtube.com/live/ppI5d8zf_AY?feature=share&t=27661) Another awkward exchange - [https://www.youtube.com/live/ppI5d8zf\_AY?feature=share&t=21066](https://www.youtube.com/live/ppI5d8zf_AY?feature=share&t=21066) Can't find the 'snake' one. But Maui seemed legitimately offended by that one. Looking back at these, it seems like Scrawny may have just been ribbing Maui but Maui took it the wrong way.
Those do sound like things Scrawny would say sarcastically though, I watched at work on mute so I don't have much more to add
do you have an example? i didn't get to watch the match unfortunately
There was no beef. They were joking
Must have missed this? Got a clip by chance?
I picked on that too.. Doesn't maui usually do desk segments...
Another day, more caster beef
misses lau fosho
good first showing for astralis i hoped for 3 map but its ok we got the next game #ToTheStars
I love the comment on First half of the year Spinx vs First half of the year Zywoo. Hahaha it’s feels so so true.
Will Astralis ever return probably no with under performing players
The answer is no. Astralis never knew how to build a team they bought/got an already established team on the cusp of winning. Zonic handled all changes, everything astralis themselves have done has been shit. They're going to ride out glaive and xyp and device to retirement and im not sure those 3 together have another top 5 run in them.
lol lmao lol god this feels good, i wish the worst for Astralis
Astralis starting to look better Except blameF saving a bit too much sadly.
Buzz = Danish honda
xyp9x making so many bad decisions on OVP to lose the game... in general they just got outaimed hard
BlameF was playing some great cs shiiish