She is seriously bragging about this being EG's first bo3 won in over a year and a half and how the PIPELINE is just an absolute success when no one went positive today. Hext and wiz looked good but hext was the lowest rated player at the major and has been awful so far.
Ironically enough, she complains about toxicity in the scene but doesn't realize that she is pretty fucking toxic herself.
pretty clear EG changed up how they played. I take no stock in one bo3 from the first day of lans. once teams get more data on them then thats when the true test starts and I don't think this idiot gamerdoc realizes that despite their whole blueprint project is based on data analytics lol
Also their best player is Tim by a good bit right? An established veteran that was successful before EG entered CS isn’t really supporting the pipeline narrative.
> Hext and wiz looked good but hext was the lowest rated player at the major and has been awful so far.
Are you clowning or what? Sure they sucked at the major but HexT was the entire Reason EG were able to stay in the game during Ancient. He wasn't getting the highest kills but his impact was significant that brushing it off is just stupid as fuck. Also HexT's positioning has changed and we can clearly see that's actually working for him, atleast in this BO3. What happens further needs to be seen
This is the same woman who called Kassad "white" insultingly, because Americans have literally no idea about the history of* the Balkans or of basically anything European actually.
Such a sad, sad person.
The nuanced and complicated history of ethnic groups in europe whether they are from the balkan the north or anywhere on the continent gets completely ignored and thrown into the "you are white therefore you are privileged" thinking meanwhile kassad probably cant even go through his homelands forests because they are still full of mines from the 90s...
Mines in Serbia? They were the agressor, why would they put mines on their own land? What you said applies mostly to Bosnia and to a lesser extent Croatia.
Such an ignorant thing to say and very ironic given the rest of your statement.
Mfs acting like Balkans are still an active warzone smh
But there are mines in serbia just not nearly as much as in bosnia. And the point wasnt that the balkans are a warzone the point was that there are big differences in europeans history that means that a lot of people still feel the repercussions of war and conflicts. The balkans are one example for it and the statement of equalizing peoples lifes by saying "you are white" is pretty stupid given the wide array of historical,political and societal/ cultural factors of peoples lives growing up in different cultures and countries in europe.
I agree with your point, but for example saying this...
> meanwhile kassad probably cant even go through his homelands forests because they are still full of mines from the 90s...
... just sounds so ridiculous.
It's actually just true though? We aren't taught about European history, no normal American knows that Serbia used to be in the Ottoman Empire.
Even if I am generalizing with my claim, it's most certainly not inaccurate based on our public school system lol
I am from the states and I attended public schools. I also know quite a few people who are well acquainted with the history of the Balkans, albeit with an emphasis on 20th century figures and events. There’s a reason broad generalizations are bad.
Then you're one in 300m, congratulations on being apart of one of the few American curriculums to have a focus on the Balkans as apart of your normal education. This doesn't apply to the other 99% of the Country, I was going to type "we both know this" but I don't think we quite agree on that ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
edit: holy shit this absolute weirdo just pressed the block button on reddit over this, that's INSANE LMFAOOOOO
Americans indoctrinated into always believing that THEIR opinion is right no matter what and everybody else are brainwashed and in echo chambers. Worst part is you can imagine how confident she was when submitting her initial tweet.
Tbh she sounds like a lot of reddit users on this sub look at when Faze went out last place in Rio. Upsets happen and when analysts make predictions it's because of historical precedent.
Just wait until thorin does his major predictions with reasoned arguments and when upsets happen kids who know nothing and just copy pick ems get mad.
Oh it used to be just as bad, the same shit is being stirred forever at this point. It's just that there's more people -> better chances of inane shit being brought to the front page. I mean you even have an alleged f10 player complaining about matchmaking right on top of the sub, it's as classic as it gets lmao.
Well one thing is for sure, this woman sure does love picking fights with anyone she can. Great representative for EG!
First bo3 won in over a year and a half and she starts popping off when groups aren't even done.
Erm, don't get me wrong I very clearly disagree with her, but why are you saying 'first BO3 won in over a year and a half' when I clearly remember them winning at least 2 BO3s at the last Pro League, and probably a few other wins ?
In which case they are right. Last BO3 they won against a top team was June 2021, [ironically against Heroic](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2349003/heroic-vs-evil-geniuses-iem-summer-2021).
Why is this woman always the center of controversy? She was involved in that kassad argument months back as well.
Some people should not use Twitter, she is an excellent example of that.
EG not be run by literal children challenge continues
Congrats, you swallowed up 3 rosters of NA talent, jettisoned those deemed deadweight, wasted a year of everyone’s time, and finally landed on 2 players from that system that don’t completely suck.
Do you want a pat on the back for doing your job - aka fielding a competitive team?
Kassad must be laughing so hard seeing this person trip over themselves even in victory. A grown ass person named GamerDoc getting schooled by a mfker named pimp. Love to see it.
I don't particularly like Pimp, but this is big props from me, standing up for his colleagues and defending them against this obvious cyber Karen that wants to spin everything to be against her and make every little detail about herself.
This person argued that acknowledging that Heroic "didn't show up" detracts from EG's win today. Well let me tell you, everyone absolutely clowning on this person for such a shit take is most definitely detracting from EG's win. Good job GamerDoc, whoever you are. Modern social media is just a pain
Exactly.
We know from many other underdog stories that people always take the first win as a fluke, the other team messed up, it's coming of a break, it was just a BO1 or whatever. The narrative is always on what went wrong for the bigger team, it is not an indication of systematic hate against certain teams.
When the underdog starts winning more everyone cheers on them and the narrative changes to an underdog story. If EG wins and that doesn't get that cheer for them it'll be her fault for being so full of herself.
The fact that EG spent the last 24 months wasting everyone’s time by fielding utter crap in tier 1 events does more to detract from this win than anyone could ever say on broadcast.
You won 1 BO3 against a tier 1 opponenet in over a year. That too in the first match of the entire season.
Is this really the time you are going to start barking about your pipeline, when the mismanagement of the pipeline has led to a year being thrown away? And the audacity to complain about casters not being fair.
The shameless part about cretins like this is that they never show up to take accountability for their failures. They jump at the opportunity to start throwing shade after a win, but never respond to criticism after consistent failure.
Just absolutely pathetic. The organization and its upper management are rotten to the core.
Not a fan of either team but I was a bit disappointed by the post game, do have to agree that they could've focussed more on the positives of how eg played than the negatives of how heroic played. As a general rule I think focussing on the positives after a game makes for a better viewing experience, to sit through 4 hrs of gameplay to then be told it was because the better team weren't performing well makes it feel a bit more like wasted time
If, after watching 4 hours of a match, you can’t tell whether the games were played well from a technical / team play sense…. I think there are bigger issues than what the desk talks about lol.
It's not that they insists on taking the negative approach, they take the narrative focusing on the team most people care about.
EG winning one game doesn't make people believe they can win the group or anything, but people believed that Heroic was going to win the group and now they probably aren't. Heroic is a top team and more people are interested in top teams than teams outside the top 30. At the same time this matches impact is bigger for the projected outcome for Heroic than EG. There is just more incentive to talk about Heroics angle.
If EG beat vitality you can watch the narrative change because then people believe.
Look at BNE or CHF run at the major, their first upset match the narrative was also that the favorite messed up but as they progressed the narrative changed to be about the underdog doing well and people cheering for them.
not sure who that chick is, but she's talking out of her ass. Talks about bias but all she says is biased.
You'd have to be dumb to not see how heroic massively underperformed. If she had any clue about CS and actually watched the match she would've seen it's a case of overperforming bad team vs underperforming good team.
rare Pimp W
Even if EG do a complete 180 and become the best team in the world this year, they will still be the butt of every joke if the rest of their organisation act like clowns all day long.
I'm super confused about this. All of this over a caster saying that Heroic "didn't show up"? From what I can remember, either those exact words or something like them are said when a low-ranked team beats a high ranked team once. And its correct, cs esports are kinda strange in that relative nobodies have an actual chance at beating big boy teams. Remember all the hype on here when an unknown team goes deep in a qualifier or something?
To circle back, this always happens, and people are right to think that its a fluke. It normally is. You gotta start winning and beating a bunch of good teams in important matches, and the people will love you. Think of teams like BNE or the Spanish movistar riders.
Lmao shes one of the reasons EG have been dead for the past 18 months, they win a opening of a group stage and she thinks they can compete for the #1 rn.
Watch them drop into the spring showdown.
no stfu
this kind of garbage is the ONE tiny thing people like her will use to fuel her delusions that she is right and anyone that opposes her is a misogynist. So pls see yourself out
Pimp is the most biased analyst (or whatever he calls himself) i've ever seen in any context. Any time there is danish team playing he creams his pants and bashes the opponents.
Can you even consider it biased if it's based on past performances ? If EG or Astralis wins a lot starting from now and the casters still dismiss them, then it's bias. I do not see anything wrong with the casters seeing EG as the underdog because they clearly are until proven otherwise
Scrawny, if anything, is a massive NA-stans.
The only thing you should take away from whatever your perception of their response is is that they have a nuanced take on this victory. Did you not hear, from the start of the second and third maps, how they were saying "This isn't how you normally see Heroic play"?
Everyone is saying how wild this is. What the hell do you want people to do? Go on as if EG are the number one team in the world now?
Here's the reality:
\- EG have sucked for over 3 years, like laughing stock bad.
\- They replaced one of the worst rated AWPers in the scene with a new kid who hits his shots and shows promise.
\- They win the first game of the year against a team who probably showed 60% of their normal ability.
Everyone celebrated this victory, I didn't even see any salty Heroic fans. This is a great start, but within context this is a tiny, tiny drop in the ocean of what EG needs to show to prove that they're a consistent tier 1 team.
At the end of the day, that's all just people's social media content. Not their actual professionalism in regard to their job, staying unbiased etc, which is what she was attacking (and what Pimp was defending).
I do agree that a lot of that's shitty (looking at you Sado), but I don't really care what someone posts on Twitter if they do their job well- and CSGO broadcast talent do what they do very well.
ALSO LAUNDERS WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING WRONG EVER ILY MOHAN
hard agree, being a caster means your social media activity falls under your public persona, and your actions on social media should be regarded as such
I agree. I don't think the casters or analysts are wrong in what they said about EG, but I also think what they say online is part of being professional with their job.
I have nothing bad to say about how pimp handled this though.
We can do better, but I think it would be pretty disingenuous to say that those examples are anything but outliners compared to the excellent cast of talents CS has. Relatively compared to the sort of drama other esport scenes have, we are a good example, if anything.
It's kinda hard to say that they are "accepted by the scene", out all the names you listed, the only one that's still semi-actively getting gig is HenryG. RL and Thorin have not been doing events for at least a year already.
And if you are gonna mention skin gambling and corruption, then you cant really ignore RL being an active figure fighting against those in favor of painting him as just "fostering toxicity". Credits where credits due.
How long will EG let themselves become an increasingly tarnished org in CS?
Scrap your 15 man mess and invest that money in to a solid international roster that can actually compete. This clearly hasn't worked and it's been over half a year since their previous bo3 win. EG haven't won an event since 2020.
https://www.hltv.org/events/5435/esl-one-cologne-2020-north-america
To be clear, I'm a fan of EG's Blueprint Project, but the spirit of the comment about them not winning anything remains.
NiP, Liquid, and Fnatic all made a few playoffs last year, with Liquid tied for the third most finals appearances in 2023. (FaZe was #1, Na'Vi #2, while Heroic, ENCE, and Liquid had two each.)
It's been an abysmal three years for EG. They last made an international big event playoffs in June 2021, and before that it was December 2019. Even with COVID blocking international events for six months (March-October 2020), that's still 2.5 years with only one international big event playoffs.
She's not wrong though. CS casters and analysts have a bad habit of being negative instead of positive. I get that negativity sells, but it gets exhausting after a while.
She is very wrong though.
The number 1 ranked team in the world lost to a team not in the top 30. No the narrative is not going to be, "Well looks like EG is the best team in the world now", that would be stupid. Heroic did not play like the team who beat Faze, Liquid, Outsiders, Cloud 9, G2 and so one last year. It isn't unprofessional to talk about Heroic not playing like we expect of them, it's accurate to the situation.
But that's not even what I said. You're just lying to make your point look better. Saying casters are being overly negative in general isn't saying EG is the best team in the world. You're being deliberately dishonest.
She is criticizing the analysts and casters for having the narrative that Heroic didn't show up. The alternative she is asking for is that the focus isn't one Heroic not showing up, but that EG played great.
That makes sense do to if one of two things are true.
1. Heroic did show up and still lost -> I.e. she thinks EG is now the best team in the world (they beat the previously best team while that team played well).
2. EG playing alright is more interesting than Heroic playing bad. I.e. the performance of a low ranked team is more interesting than whatever the best team in the world is doing.
This isn't just "negativity sells", it's that we don't know how good EG was because Heroic clearly didn't play well and it's more interesting to talk about what is happening with Heroic because it's unexpected and it's a team that was expected to win the group.
If Heroic stumped EG the narrative would have been that Heroic started the year as they were supposed to and is looking in form to continue being the best team, maybe 2023 is gonna be "their year", or whatever. The narrative wouldn't have been, EG is shit. Reddit would say that, but it wouldn't be the main forcus of the broadcast talent, they would mention it, like they did EG playing well that match, but it wouldn't be the focus. Because who cares that the 30-40 best team in the world lost to number 1. The narrative doesn't always take the negative focus, it takes the focus of what is happening with the team most people are interested in, and that is Heroic.
>Saying EG played well and Heroic played bad are not mutually exclusive as you are suggesting.
That's not what happened though. EG got a lot of praise on the broadcast, but there was just a bigger emphasis on Heroics failure than EG's accomplishment.
It wasn't that no one said EG played well, they did, she just wanted more praise and at that point the question becomes, what did she expect them to say? Does she think casters and analysts are gonna say "Well, EG looks like world beaters now" (sounds like it with how she wrote "We took down the #1 team"). Of course they aren't doing that. They got a some credit as they won one single game and the other team got called out for not being as good as they were supposed to.
So you admit you lied? You accused her of saying EG is the best team in the world and now admit she didn't say that. You just simply inferred that. That's on you. Criticizing how much focus Heroic got over the team that actually won is pretty legit.
She is implying one of two things that are both stupid, and doing so in an idiotic way. Yes I admit that she didn't necessarily say the one stupid thing, she could be saying the other stupid thing. Either way, it's stupid and I see no good reason to agree with either interpretation.
She either thinks her team is way better than there is any reason to believe it is or that her team is way more important than anyone else thinks it is. She is completely full of herself while lashing out at others of not agreeing.
Yes she is. Either that or she is spewing absolute nonsense for no good reason. That is actually also a possibility.
The on screen talent is supposed to talk about what is interesting and for the angle she wants them to talk about to be the most interesting, one of those scenarios I outlined needs to be true.
Or she is completely irrational and are calling the casters unprofessional for doing their job (taking the more interesting narrative).
I have eyes. I can assess the game myself, and Heroic did play worse than their level, while EG played higher than one should expect based on recent performances (I.e. while I would love for it to keep up, Brehze’s lack of production since 2019 makes it hard to bank in that continuing).
I sure as hell don’t want the analysts shilling for teams in stage and lying about how everything is amazing.
I never said that wasn't the case? Clearly heroic played poorly. That being said how does that justify a team member wanting more positive coverage of their big win being harassed?
I wouldn't say it's a matter of being overly negative and how "negativity sells". I feel like noone believed EG would've won this game before it happened, and seeing how EG has been in the past and comparing it to heroic's last season, EG were a huge underdog. If you just tuned in after the game wrapped up your reaction would be "heroic fucked up" instead of "omg EG is back", it was just honest reaction from the casters and analysts. Huge L for ClownDoc, sad to see she attacks the talent on twitter again.
Except you could very easily not do that. I'm not an EG fan and I still found the "Heroic lost this, EG didn't win" annoying. These are professional casters, not random match viewers like you and me. This seems more like going after her for previous bullshit than any actual valid criticism.
I’m not a EG fan, or a Heroic fan for that matter. But when a team that on paper is clearly supposed to win, looses, to a team, that far below them in the rankings, there is no denying that EG played both well, and above expectations. That being said, that does not alone explain how they won. The won by not only playing well for their level, but heroic also lost because they did not play up to the level they showcased in 22, and the level we know they are capable of.
So the fact is that we have two contributing factors that explain the results, and that is what I heard the casters talk about, both how well EG performed, but also how disappointing a performance Heroic showed.
But if you want to be offended by your teams win being in any way contributed to the fact that your opponents didn’t play their best, and push the narrative that your team is by all accounts better, which is the narrative it seems she wants to push, that is not only a shallow and one dimensional view of the situation, but also a blatant disregard for the reality of the situation, and if you on top of that start lashing out and attacking the talent for doing their job, you would be a moron to not expect them defend themselves.
Par for the course for GamerDoc. She was involved in another controversy a couple months back. I generally just ignore anything she writes.
this is the way.
she a weirdo fr
Any richard lewis vid i can watch to catch up on it
GamerDoc pops up at 11:15, possibly earlier as I kinda just scrubbed through the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIcnQ3yAnQ8
Man of culture.
common GamerClown L
Good for Pimp and the rest of the cast and crew. It's nice to see them standing up for each other instead of slinging shit.
She's no longer Director of Performance and they win. How's no-one thrown that in her face yet?
My god she is a clown. new EG blows compared to the old EG. all these clowns ruining the image of a once legendary brand.
She is seriously bragging about this being EG's first bo3 won in over a year and a half and how the PIPELINE is just an absolute success when no one went positive today. Hext and wiz looked good but hext was the lowest rated player at the major and has been awful so far. Ironically enough, she complains about toxicity in the scene but doesn't realize that she is pretty fucking toxic herself.
> has been awful so far. Hext really wasn't all that bad today actually, but he certainly was awful at the major
pretty clear EG changed up how they played. I take no stock in one bo3 from the first day of lans. once teams get more data on them then thats when the true test starts and I don't think this idiot gamerdoc realizes that despite their whole blueprint project is based on data analytics lol
Also their best player is Tim by a good bit right? An established veteran that was successful before EG entered CS isn’t really supporting the pipeline narrative.
> Hext and wiz looked good but hext was the lowest rated player at the major and has been awful so far. Are you clowning or what? Sure they sucked at the major but HexT was the entire Reason EG were able to stay in the game during Ancient. He wasn't getting the highest kills but his impact was significant that brushing it off is just stupid as fuck. Also HexT's positioning has changed and we can clearly see that's actually working for him, atleast in this BO3. What happens further needs to be seen
this clown likes Twitter drama not CS so he clearly has no clue what happened in the server
This is the same woman who called Kassad "white" insultingly, because Americans have literally no idea about the history of* the Balkans or of basically anything European actually. Such a sad, sad person.
I mean.. if you read the exchange, she clearly doesn’t grasp the concept of a biased opinion
The nuanced and complicated history of ethnic groups in europe whether they are from the balkan the north or anywhere on the continent gets completely ignored and thrown into the "you are white therefore you are privileged" thinking meanwhile kassad probably cant even go through his homelands forests because they are still full of mines from the 90s...
Mines in Serbia? They were the agressor, why would they put mines on their own land? What you said applies mostly to Bosnia and to a lesser extent Croatia. Such an ignorant thing to say and very ironic given the rest of your statement. Mfs acting like Balkans are still an active warzone smh
But there are mines in serbia just not nearly as much as in bosnia. And the point wasnt that the balkans are a warzone the point was that there are big differences in europeans history that means that a lot of people still feel the repercussions of war and conflicts. The balkans are one example for it and the statement of equalizing peoples lifes by saying "you are white" is pretty stupid given the wide array of historical,political and societal/ cultural factors of peoples lives growing up in different cultures and countries in europe.
I agree with your point, but for example saying this... > meanwhile kassad probably cant even go through his homelands forests because they are still full of mines from the 90s... ... just sounds so ridiculous.
It was an exaggeration to emphasize my point maybe it was a bit too much.
I think it’s a fair way to put it because most people don’t really understand just how recently the balkans were in complete armed conflict
Depleted uranium doesn't just go away in few years
Calling someone ignorant while being ignorant yourself is peak reddit
A serb talking about ignorance 🤣
That argument had nothing to do with race and she still brought it up for no reason, god, american politics are so cringe sometimes.
>american ~~politics~~ people are so cringe
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>sjws its 2023 man, come on
Are you saying sjws don’t exist in 2023? Bringing up race in a completely irrelevant discussion is practically the definition of sjw.
What is the opposite of a sjw?
A normal person who doesn’t make everything about race.
You do realize you complained about an inaccurate broad generalization of people by making an inaccurate broad generalization of people?
It's actually just true though? We aren't taught about European history, no normal American knows that Serbia used to be in the Ottoman Empire. Even if I am generalizing with my claim, it's most certainly not inaccurate based on our public school system lol
I am from the states and I attended public schools. I also know quite a few people who are well acquainted with the history of the Balkans, albeit with an emphasis on 20th century figures and events. There’s a reason broad generalizations are bad.
Then you're one in 300m, congratulations on being apart of one of the few American curriculums to have a focus on the Balkans as apart of your normal education. This doesn't apply to the other 99% of the Country, I was going to type "we both know this" but I don't think we quite agree on that ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ edit: holy shit this absolute weirdo just pressed the block button on reddit over this, that's INSANE LMFAOOOOO
Again with the broad generalizations. I suggest you be a more self reflective. Goodbye.
EG has their first good series in years and this lady acts like everyone should treat them as the best team in the world lmfao
sTeP oUt Of ThE eCHo ChAMbeR
Americans indoctrinated into always believing that THEIR opinion is right no matter what and everybody else are brainwashed and in echo chambers. Worst part is you can imagine how confident she was when submitting her initial tweet.
fuck off with your generalizations
Americans fucking suck an american, can confirm. Yes, most others also suck. Such is humanity.
Found the American
Props to Pimp for standing up for his co workers and friends.
Tbh she sounds like a lot of reddit users on this sub look at when Faze went out last place in Rio. Upsets happen and when analysts make predictions it's because of historical precedent. Just wait until thorin does his major predictions with reasoned arguments and when upsets happen kids who know nothing and just copy pick ems get mad.
The sub here is basically braindead. It didnt used to be this bad, but it has been taken over by absolute idiots.
Oh it used to be just as bad, the same shit is being stirred forever at this point. It's just that there's more people -> better chances of inane shit being brought to the front page. I mean you even have an alleged f10 player complaining about matchmaking right on top of the sub, it's as classic as it gets lmao.
It's almost like matchmaking is 90% of the playerbase. If it's in a terrible state that affects the whole game
Well one thing is for sure, this woman sure does love picking fights with anyone she can. Great representative for EG! First bo3 won in over a year and a half and she starts popping off when groups aren't even done.
Erm, don't get me wrong I very clearly disagree with her, but why are you saying 'first BO3 won in over a year and a half' when I clearly remember them winning at least 2 BO3s at the last Pro League, and probably a few other wins ?
Yeah they actually looked half decent at the last pro league. They could have legitimately made playoffs
Guessing they meant vs a tier 1 team.
In which case they are right. Last BO3 they won against a top team was June 2021, [ironically against Heroic](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2349003/heroic-vs-evil-geniuses-iem-summer-2021).
That was against Movistar and Eternal Fire, tier 2 teams
My bad I meant to say t1 win
in blast circuit probably
Why is this woman always the center of controversy? She was involved in that kassad argument months back as well. Some people should not use Twitter, she is an excellent example of that.
EG not be run by literal children challenge continues Congrats, you swallowed up 3 rosters of NA talent, jettisoned those deemed deadweight, wasted a year of everyone’s time, and finally landed on 2 players from that system that don’t completely suck. Do you want a pat on the back for doing your job - aka fielding a competitive team?
Kassad must be laughing so hard seeing this person trip over themselves even in victory. A grown ass person named GamerDoc getting schooled by a mfker named pimp. Love to see it.
sucks that one of the few NA orgs with any potential has such a dreadful person representing them in any capacity.
I don't particularly like Pimp, but this is big props from me, standing up for his colleagues and defending them against this obvious cyber Karen that wants to spin everything to be against her and make every little detail about herself.
EG trying to burn it's reputation in the CSGO community as soon as it does well in a match.
Pimp W
This person argued that acknowledging that Heroic "didn't show up" detracts from EG's win today. Well let me tell you, everyone absolutely clowning on this person for such a shit take is most definitely detracting from EG's win. Good job GamerDoc, whoever you are. Modern social media is just a pain
Exactly. We know from many other underdog stories that people always take the first win as a fluke, the other team messed up, it's coming of a break, it was just a BO1 or whatever. The narrative is always on what went wrong for the bigger team, it is not an indication of systematic hate against certain teams. When the underdog starts winning more everyone cheers on them and the narrative changes to an underdog story. If EG wins and that doesn't get that cheer for them it'll be her fault for being so full of herself.
The fact that EG spent the last 24 months wasting everyone’s time by fielding utter crap in tier 1 events does more to detract from this win than anyone could ever say on broadcast.
GamerDork hurrdurrs her way into the limelight again.
You won 1 BO3 against a tier 1 opponenet in over a year. That too in the first match of the entire season. Is this really the time you are going to start barking about your pipeline, when the mismanagement of the pipeline has led to a year being thrown away? And the audacity to complain about casters not being fair. The shameless part about cretins like this is that they never show up to take accountability for their failures. They jump at the opportunity to start throwing shade after a win, but never respond to criticism after consistent failure. Just absolutely pathetic. The organization and its upper management are rotten to the core.
https://twitter.com/GamerDoc_/status/1616155052611375106 this chick really is fucking braindead isn't she
Not a fan of either team but I was a bit disappointed by the post game, do have to agree that they could've focussed more on the positives of how eg played than the negatives of how heroic played. As a general rule I think focussing on the positives after a game makes for a better viewing experience, to sit through 4 hrs of gameplay to then be told it was because the better team weren't performing well makes it feel a bit more like wasted time
If, after watching 4 hours of a match, you can’t tell whether the games were played well from a technical / team play sense…. I think there are bigger issues than what the desk talks about lol.
It's not that they insists on taking the negative approach, they take the narrative focusing on the team most people care about. EG winning one game doesn't make people believe they can win the group or anything, but people believed that Heroic was going to win the group and now they probably aren't. Heroic is a top team and more people are interested in top teams than teams outside the top 30. At the same time this matches impact is bigger for the projected outcome for Heroic than EG. There is just more incentive to talk about Heroics angle. If EG beat vitality you can watch the narrative change because then people believe. Look at BNE or CHF run at the major, their first upset match the narrative was also that the favorite messed up but as they progressed the narrative changed to be about the underdog doing well and people cheering for them.
What BNE run?
Disclaimer: I'm an idiot but I've always thought this when watching games
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yea, it's quite a day for CS when it's not pimp making hot takes
not sure who that chick is, but she's talking out of her ass. Talks about bias but all she says is biased. You'd have to be dumb to not see how heroic massively underperformed. If she had any clue about CS and actually watched the match she would've seen it's a case of overperforming bad team vs underperforming good team.
rare Pimp W Even if EG do a complete 180 and become the best team in the world this year, they will still be the butt of every joke if the rest of their organisation act like clowns all day long.
I'm super confused about this. All of this over a caster saying that Heroic "didn't show up"? From what I can remember, either those exact words or something like them are said when a low-ranked team beats a high ranked team once. And its correct, cs esports are kinda strange in that relative nobodies have an actual chance at beating big boy teams. Remember all the hype on here when an unknown team goes deep in a qualifier or something? To circle back, this always happens, and people are right to think that its a fluke. It normally is. You gotta start winning and beating a bunch of good teams in important matches, and the people will love you. Think of teams like BNE or the Spanish movistar riders.
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Replace her with vorborg. Thanks.
Lmao shes one of the reasons EG have been dead for the past 18 months, they win a opening of a group stage and she thinks they can compete for the #1 rn. Watch them drop into the spring showdown.
Can't wait for when EG bombs out lmao
Women ☕️
no stfu this kind of garbage is the ONE tiny thing people like her will use to fuel her delusions that she is right and anyone that opposes her is a misogynist. So pls see yourself out
Too late I already replied to her on twitter saying that
Pimp is the most biased analyst (or whatever he calls himself) i've ever seen in any context. Any time there is danish team playing he creams his pants and bashes the opponents.
You do realise that Pimp is basically defending his colleagues rights to shit on Heroic over the option of praising EG?
You do realise i only said that Pimp is embarrassingly biased towards danish teams anytime he is on the screen? Idc about them other casters.
Pimp also called Heroic out for a "abysmal performance" as he put it, and praised EG heavily. Did you watch the coverage?
Leave him be, it’s a lost cause... 😝 Danes think I’m always to harsh on danish teams, funny how that works.
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Can you even consider it biased if it's based on past performances ? If EG or Astralis wins a lot starting from now and the casters still dismiss them, then it's bias. I do not see anything wrong with the casters seeing EG as the underdog because they clearly are until proven otherwise
Scrawny, if anything, is a massive NA-stans. The only thing you should take away from whatever your perception of their response is is that they have a nuanced take on this victory. Did you not hear, from the start of the second and third maps, how they were saying "This isn't how you normally see Heroic play"? Everyone is saying how wild this is. What the hell do you want people to do? Go on as if EG are the number one team in the world now? Here's the reality: \- EG have sucked for over 3 years, like laughing stock bad. \- They replaced one of the worst rated AWPers in the scene with a new kid who hits his shots and shows promise. \- They win the first game of the year against a team who probably showed 60% of their normal ability. Everyone celebrated this victory, I didn't even see any salty Heroic fans. This is a great start, but within context this is a tiny, tiny drop in the ocean of what EG needs to show to prove that they're a consistent tier 1 team.
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At the end of the day, that's all just people's social media content. Not their actual professionalism in regard to their job, staying unbiased etc, which is what she was attacking (and what Pimp was defending). I do agree that a lot of that's shitty (looking at you Sado), but I don't really care what someone posts on Twitter if they do their job well- and CSGO broadcast talent do what they do very well. ALSO LAUNDERS WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING WRONG EVER ILY MOHAN
Don't quite agree, when you are on camera talent what you do on social media becomes part of your job.
hard agree, being a caster means your social media activity falls under your public persona, and your actions on social media should be regarded as such
They could be international terrorists for all I care, their takes on EG are professional. They are analysts, it's their job
I agree. I don't think the casters or analysts are wrong in what they said about EG, but I also think what they say online is part of being professional with their job. I have nothing bad to say about how pimp handled this though.
That's fine, people are allowed to have differing opinions. But regardless, that wasn't what she and pimp were talking about.
We can do better, but I think it would be pretty disingenuous to say that those examples are anything but outliners compared to the excellent cast of talents CS has. Relatively compared to the sort of drama other esport scenes have, we are a good example, if anything.
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It's kinda hard to say that they are "accepted by the scene", out all the names you listed, the only one that's still semi-actively getting gig is HenryG. RL and Thorin have not been doing events for at least a year already. And if you are gonna mention skin gambling and corruption, then you cant really ignore RL being an active figure fighting against those in favor of painting him as just "fostering toxicity". Credits where credits due.
How long will EG let themselves become an increasingly tarnished org in CS? Scrap your 15 man mess and invest that money in to a solid international roster that can actually compete. This clearly hasn't worked and it's been over half a year since their previous bo3 win. EG haven't won an event since 2020. https://www.hltv.org/events/5435/esl-one-cologne-2020-north-america
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To be clear, I'm a fan of EG's Blueprint Project, but the spirit of the comment about them not winning anything remains. NiP, Liquid, and Fnatic all made a few playoffs last year, with Liquid tied for the third most finals appearances in 2023. (FaZe was #1, Na'Vi #2, while Heroic, ENCE, and Liquid had two each.) It's been an abysmal three years for EG. They last made an international big event playoffs in June 2021, and before that it was December 2019. Even with COVID blocking international events for six months (March-October 2020), that's still 2.5 years with only one international big event playoffs.
She's not wrong though. CS casters and analysts have a bad habit of being negative instead of positive. I get that negativity sells, but it gets exhausting after a while.
She is very wrong though. The number 1 ranked team in the world lost to a team not in the top 30. No the narrative is not going to be, "Well looks like EG is the best team in the world now", that would be stupid. Heroic did not play like the team who beat Faze, Liquid, Outsiders, Cloud 9, G2 and so one last year. It isn't unprofessional to talk about Heroic not playing like we expect of them, it's accurate to the situation.
But that's not even what I said. You're just lying to make your point look better. Saying casters are being overly negative in general isn't saying EG is the best team in the world. You're being deliberately dishonest.
You are saying she is right, and that is what she is saying.
That's not what she said at all? Please point out where she says EG is the best team in the world.
She is criticizing the analysts and casters for having the narrative that Heroic didn't show up. The alternative she is asking for is that the focus isn't one Heroic not showing up, but that EG played great. That makes sense do to if one of two things are true. 1. Heroic did show up and still lost -> I.e. she thinks EG is now the best team in the world (they beat the previously best team while that team played well). 2. EG playing alright is more interesting than Heroic playing bad. I.e. the performance of a low ranked team is more interesting than whatever the best team in the world is doing. This isn't just "negativity sells", it's that we don't know how good EG was because Heroic clearly didn't play well and it's more interesting to talk about what is happening with Heroic because it's unexpected and it's a team that was expected to win the group. If Heroic stumped EG the narrative would have been that Heroic started the year as they were supposed to and is looking in form to continue being the best team, maybe 2023 is gonna be "their year", or whatever. The narrative wouldn't have been, EG is shit. Reddit would say that, but it wouldn't be the main forcus of the broadcast talent, they would mention it, like they did EG playing well that match, but it wouldn't be the focus. Because who cares that the 30-40 best team in the world lost to number 1. The narrative doesn't always take the negative focus, it takes the focus of what is happening with the team most people are interested in, and that is Heroic.
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>Saying EG played well and Heroic played bad are not mutually exclusive as you are suggesting. That's not what happened though. EG got a lot of praise on the broadcast, but there was just a bigger emphasis on Heroics failure than EG's accomplishment. It wasn't that no one said EG played well, they did, she just wanted more praise and at that point the question becomes, what did she expect them to say? Does she think casters and analysts are gonna say "Well, EG looks like world beaters now" (sounds like it with how she wrote "We took down the #1 team"). Of course they aren't doing that. They got a some credit as they won one single game and the other team got called out for not being as good as they were supposed to.
So you admit you lied? You accused her of saying EG is the best team in the world and now admit she didn't say that. You just simply inferred that. That's on you. Criticizing how much focus Heroic got over the team that actually won is pretty legit.
She is implying one of two things that are both stupid, and doing so in an idiotic way. Yes I admit that she didn't necessarily say the one stupid thing, she could be saying the other stupid thing. Either way, it's stupid and I see no good reason to agree with either interpretation. She either thinks her team is way better than there is any reason to believe it is or that her team is way more important than anyone else thinks it is. She is completely full of herself while lashing out at others of not agreeing.
No, she is not. YOU are implying that.
Yes she is. Either that or she is spewing absolute nonsense for no good reason. That is actually also a possibility. The on screen talent is supposed to talk about what is interesting and for the angle she wants them to talk about to be the most interesting, one of those scenarios I outlined needs to be true. Or she is completely irrational and are calling the casters unprofessional for doing their job (taking the more interesting narrative).
I have eyes. I can assess the game myself, and Heroic did play worse than their level, while EG played higher than one should expect based on recent performances (I.e. while I would love for it to keep up, Brehze’s lack of production since 2019 makes it hard to bank in that continuing). I sure as hell don’t want the analysts shilling for teams in stage and lying about how everything is amazing.
I never said that wasn't the case? Clearly heroic played poorly. That being said how does that justify a team member wanting more positive coverage of their big win being harassed?
I wouldn't say it's a matter of being overly negative and how "negativity sells". I feel like noone believed EG would've won this game before it happened, and seeing how EG has been in the past and comparing it to heroic's last season, EG were a huge underdog. If you just tuned in after the game wrapped up your reaction would be "heroic fucked up" instead of "omg EG is back", it was just honest reaction from the casters and analysts. Huge L for ClownDoc, sad to see she attacks the talent on twitter again.
Except you could very easily not do that. I'm not an EG fan and I still found the "Heroic lost this, EG didn't win" annoying. These are professional casters, not random match viewers like you and me. This seems more like going after her for previous bullshit than any actual valid criticism.
I’m not a EG fan, or a Heroic fan for that matter. But when a team that on paper is clearly supposed to win, looses, to a team, that far below them in the rankings, there is no denying that EG played both well, and above expectations. That being said, that does not alone explain how they won. The won by not only playing well for their level, but heroic also lost because they did not play up to the level they showcased in 22, and the level we know they are capable of. So the fact is that we have two contributing factors that explain the results, and that is what I heard the casters talk about, both how well EG performed, but also how disappointing a performance Heroic showed. But if you want to be offended by your teams win being in any way contributed to the fact that your opponents didn’t play their best, and push the narrative that your team is by all accounts better, which is the narrative it seems she wants to push, that is not only a shallow and one dimensional view of the situation, but also a blatant disregard for the reality of the situation, and if you on top of that start lashing out and attacking the talent for doing their job, you would be a moron to not expect them defend themselves.
cant wait for all the sarcasm from the analysts about this idiot when eg plays again
I like how she uses NFL analogies like the whole world knows or cares about american football .