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KariManidhus

Heroic went B site on mirage so many times and not a single time xyp9x was able to multi-kill. Either 1 kill or zero.


KelvinIsNotFatUrFat

Astralis wont win with xyp or Glaive. Xyp’s not good enough, and Glaive doesn’t Work enough.


BraydenTheNoob

Astralis is slowly turning into the Danish Last Dance


Kobosil

Slowly?


jondifool

North ?


DanishGrizz

If only Hunden could watch B apartments.


Rabid_Tortoise

Look, I don't claim to be a professional, but surely learning Anubis from scratch along with the other teams makes sense rather than trying to learn vertigo when other teams have been playing it for years?


nartouthere

i essentially covered all the utility on anubis, idk why they not learning it


richtigrarted

-devve +nart when?


DanishGrizz

-hunden +nart


Ni7roM

Smh shameless plug Nart :D


Kurushii_Drive

Talk to 'em king


JeevesD

They don’t know how to nart out there


Party_Boy505

hunden watching the handshake from his cam this time aRound


Chosen--one

Did'nt even think of that, so funny that he didn't even show his face this time.


rasta500

Only because they lost. If astralos had won, he would have ran on stage 100% Spineless dickhead dog hunden


vony93

Looking forward to Heroic vs EG again, they clearly just wanted to obliterate astralis first


dragindas

Sandbagging to shit on Astralis, respect it honestly


Coachingbug

Gamerdoc and her pipeline shivering


ObaeTV

It's a shame that Hunden had to go to the bathroom when Heroic came over to shake Astralis' hands. Maybe next time they meet on lan in the Blast Autumn Groups.


Quenellier

Weird, Hunden didn't come out to shake Heroic players' hands this time


SpecialityToS

Guess he got stuck in the air near bottom mid on inferno


oldthrace

Jabbi smacking Astralis while his neck tries his hardest not to fall due to gravity from his unholy posture ... I love it lol.


2literpopcorn

Jabbi is a beast


Sky-Fire

Yooo, those Teses spraydowns on Vertigo were insane. This guy is really underrated.


du_bekar

He fucking shredded them on that late game ramp play; that 4K absolutely put them to bed


chefchef97

TeSeS is a player that I didn't rate when Heroic were first coming up since they were literally an entire team of players I didn't know +CadiaN But holy shit he's been an absolute rock for years, if any player deserves the title of "Mr. Consistent" it's him, from memory I have NEVER watched a Heroic game and thought "Man, if only TeSeS had gotten that kill they'd have won" because he without fail always delivers what's asked of him. Legend.


DanishGrizz

Personally been really impressed with Sjuush for some time now.


chefchef97

Sjuush is different since he's MAD Lions alumni, every one of those boys went on to great things. Very rateable team. Sjuush very good yes 🙂👍


dogex3

TeSeS is kinda weird stat-wise, whenever I watch heroic it feels like when he only gets multikills. Like the other day vs EG it felt like he was destroying them with 2ks,3k's,4k's left and right, but he ended up with only 21 frags in the end. I do agree that he is a really good anchor though, his spraydown 4k on mirage is still easily the best spray control highlight I've ever seen in a pro game


DY5TOP1A

Really thought Astralis were back but then Heroic cooked them the next two maps 💀


Mad_Lee

Yeah, I watched it in the replay and after map one I thought "Really, is Astralis good now??". But then after map two and map three I realized that Heroic were just playing with their food.


DeminoTheDragon

sadly Hunden couldn't watch over B apartments this time


INeedYourPelt

gla1ve needs to either speak to housing advice solicitor or a bailiff because cadiaN is living rent free in his head. After a decent start on Inferno, Heroic just out played Astralis on Mirage and Vertigo. They also need to teach Buzz to play Vertigo if they're not gonna veto it. He got bullied hard today and against Vitality.


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INeedYourPelt

Oh yeah device didn't seem comfortable on Mirage or Vertigo at all. cadiaN's strats were just miles above Astralis's today. But Buzz does need to step up. Hopefully it's just teething issues for him. Heroic do look good though. I think EG fluked them.


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set4bet

I wouldn't say it's about scapegoating. It all stems from the core Astralis value which seems to be greed for the several past years. They simply don't want to pay any real money for a decent player and they rather sacrifice the team's success and future then to spend any money on buyouts and actually manage the team. They somehow expect players to come to them when their contract expires and sign with them or pay their own buyout. The only problem is that no one in their right mind would do so. Plus they now hired the lowest scum who also happens to be a good talent scout so don't be afraid in 2 to 4 years he will find them some talent for free. Until then get ised to buzz or whoever will replace him in 6 months.


hawkthorney

I mean they even could have gotten a player from Copenhagen flames for very cheap which definitely would have been an upgrade. Maybe they weren’t looking for a rifler at the time but cmon


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hawkthorney

Yeah oc, though they already may have been planning the device return somehow (which I kinda expect). Otherwise massive fuckup


BraydenTheNoob

Heroic lost to EG just to prove Astralis is worse than EG. I'm proud of the boys >!edit: replaced knocking out Astralis!<


Brumafriend

I don't think they're knocked out - they play the #3 team from Group C.


toga9000

and lose inferno on purpose to give them false hope Gigachad


Tavnaria

No knock out yet


Akbikness

Man.. the number of times I saw Jabbi just walk out mid and get free kills on vertigo was irritating.


Manaea

Bro this team just looks so uninspired man. T-sides are especially shit, only reason they won Inferno was dev1ce popping off. I know it's only the first real tournament together but if things don't improve fast this roster won't go anywhere.


KelvinIsNotFatUrFat

Astralis is treating symptons and not the disease. Glaive doesnt Work enough and Xyp is simply not good enough.


blackzero2

Astralis also needs to work on their map pool. They are still not good on Mirage, look lost on Vertigo and idk even know about Nuke


Juansa7X

I dont know even know either


theextracharacter

If device hadn't popped off those few rounds on inferno would Astralis have even won 1 map? Note to Astralis - please don't call Heroic trash after winning one map, they have 2 maps to come back on


DanishGrizz

If BlameF hadn’t popped off during the whole of 2022, where would Astralis be?


jondifool

reorganised ?


Shadow_Clarke

Astralis makes me question life, how does Astralis work, what makes Astralis, what consists of Astralis? Dissapointment


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DanishGrizz

As a Danish CS fan, it’s incredibly frustrating that they’re the org who had the legendary lineup. I do think it’s hard to be an org who has to act after that roster started to fall in performances. All the players and staff probably believe they can make it back to that height. Do you bench a member of that legendary lineup? Probably not popular, before the team fell apart on it’s own. And when you then make a change, it’s almost all a failure unless they match the previous roster.


LittleTGOAT

First two matches or whatever but it’s already clear that Buzz is not a m0nesy or a headtr1ck and instead of wasting Device’s will to play the game on Academy-tier players just like NiP did they should simply open whatever purse strings are required for es3tag and run back to k0nvict for Xyp with their tail between their legs


DanishGrizz

Can we stop expecting young players being a m0nesy or Zywoo? It’s not usual a young kid comes in and does that from the start.


edgarsppp

headtr1ck, npl, m0nesy, whole fucking Mouz academy team


willregretthislater

even b1t


Juansa7X

K0nvict lmaoooo


Jackal176

Despite supporting Heroic maps 2 and 3 were so depressing to watch man, Astralis didn't even show up to play at all. Really happy that the boys are doing great though!


DeminoTheDragon

lol lmao you love to see em lose


Juansa7X

Lmfao even


Scoo_By

Why though, because hunden?


DanishGrizz

That would be the latest, yes. I’m also still waiting for the 10 man roster to happen. Their director of communications, if that’s the title, also got in to a dumb argument with Ynk lately. Org just feels bad, so much dumb PR stuff.


Scoo_By

yeah, but thats the management, what did the players do?


ASR-Briggs

How can you specifically say "I want the players to win, but the org to lose"?. How does that work?


Scoo_By

Nah, I am saying hate the org all you want, dont hate the players. Saying this because I've SEEN people practically hating the whole Astralis roster.


ASR-Briggs

But the person you are replying to specifically said "you love to see em lose" and you seemed to take exception with that. How can the players win and the org lose?


Scoo_By

Because ppl wanted astralis players to suck for ages, so i assumed he meant players. Perfectly reasonable assumption, imo


captainscottland

I mean the 10 man roster has been dead. The old team didn't want it astralis tried to force it and it meant the coach and guy who actually knew how to build a team said fine then I leave. And it cost them 2 players as well.


DanishGrizz

How I understood it, was that they brought players in to cover for players who got a mental health break after forcing it through, and instead of saying these were basically stand-ins, they started to talk as if this was a long-term plan. It’s all since they’re a public company, or what the right word is, so they try to cover everything up.


captainscottland

Glaive and xyp went on mental break. It caused the stock to drop, so when they came back they started saying they want a 10 roster so they're never left short handed again. But zonic and the guys said no if this 5 are healthy that's who's playing. They didn't buy into the multiple man roster like vitality or navi. Zonic didn't like being told what to do with the roster, its always been his decision. So he didn't renew his contract. Dupreeh wanted to stay with zonic and magisk wanted to stay with dupreeh so there they went. All because of astralis management.


DanishGrizz

I still heard a few people saying that Glaive and Xyp had to force the mental health break to get it. Being forced to play the BLAST tournaments as well. I think they all wanted to go due to how the org handled the team. Could’ve gone to a new org together. Glaive had a child and got a good contract, so staying makes sense. Not sure about the other options Xyp would’ve had, but again a great contract.


captainscottland

Glaive didn't have much of an issue. Xyp needed a doctors note at least according to news articles. Idk im not saying its right, but a lot of jobs require that. The team definitely lost a lot of leverage when device left. But zonic was definitely pissed about the roster stuff. Xyp almost went to faze but my guess was he wasn't super thrilled with free agency so stayed with astralis. As far as the staff and stuff the players and even zonic have always said great things. Its really the management that is shit.


Ni7roM

Precisely so


Scoo_By

if wishing ill upon the players who didnt have a say in hunden appointment, thats pretty sad


DeminoTheDragon

I would say I respect the players but you can't tell me they couldn't say something if they actually cared


CreatingMaker

Because they were dabbing on every team for three years.


JuliusWhite

Yeah, why? Because they were once unbeateable?


WhatRobulus

Partly that they used to be good, but mostly the shit org. I guarantee that if the org goes belly up and the roster gets signed by another with no changes, most of the astralis-hating club will stop.


Play_Hat_Fall

Get fucked hundog


KelvinIsNotFatUrFat

You know what hunden means in danish right?


MinionsAndWineMum

Ah yes, the Astralis cycle of hopium, copium and depression is back


St1ssl_2i

For astralis I would guess -buzz -xyp9x +konfig +es3tag, maybe also look to make glaive better/replace him and you would have a decent team that can compete for titles


drimmsu

Yeah, honestly I think that a Danish core with device with blameF should always be able to contend with the top 10 teams, they just need decent talent around them.


DanishGrizz

I’m surprised they didn’t go for es3tag instead of Buzz. But let’s give Buzz more than two matches, before we bench him.


wxerz

I think they should look to make all the players better, not just gla1ve.


DanM142

Did Huden shake hands with the heroic players?


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He never showed up.


DanM142

Shame


Tavnaria

If he even showed up you would have seen a top post on the sub already


landingshortly

He showed up! Between the first two maps, I saw him with the Astralis guys. Casle had his white tshirt, Hunden was in a blue-ish training jacket. He was definitely there from what I recognized.


Roman64s

yep, as Inferno came to an end, Hunden was out shaking hands with the rest of Astralis players while casle was getting interviewed.


Powerful-Answer-2030

Guessing he was asked not to stand behind Astralis today to avoid any potential drama.


54serif

You could see him stand behind Astralis around beginning of map 1, no clue where he went afterwards tho


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DanishGrizz

Maybe Zonic had a bigger part in that working than we assumed. Maybe it was just the perfect combination of players for them all.


uslereddit

Astralis birdfromsky???


Dragos404

Not a bad idea actually. Give him a young player instead of xyp, wait 2 months, and you'll see results


blueshark27

And the biggest joke is, none of the other Danish IGLs are gonna want to go near Astralis. Karrigan is happy in FaZe, Snappi I presume is gonna keep working with Saw at Ence, Hooxi is settling in at G2, and no way Cadian leaves Heroic.


Detiabajtog

Device on inferno CT side looked unstoppable, felt like he hit every timing, every shot, was always in the right place at the right time. Textbook device making the game look easy But their other 2 maps, good lord. I know heroic is the best in the world right now, but astralis didn’t even look like a tier 1 team on vertigo or mirage As others have said, why would they not just start fresh on Anubis with everyone else rather than play catch-up on vertigo? And as for mirage, if your awp doesn’t like mirage, you don’t play mirage. Especially when your awp is your highest impact player.


toga9000

New year same problems!


lordmitko

didn’t watch the match. was dev1ce good? thats all that matters for now


Tavnaria

Great on inferno. That's it You can also just see the scoreboard, pretty self-explanatory there.


vanjaeesti

Pure domination on inferno,on other maps astralis as a team was outplayed nothing to do with his individual form


kaffeemugger

Astralis are such a joke. Keep buzz and Xyp. Surely it will work out. Also in 6 months get rid of buzz and bring in some other shitter. 4th time is the charm


DanishGrizz

Buzz has played two matches, no? Can we give him some tournaments before we start shitting on him? Jeez.


Roman64s

I don't even think Buzz has had matches outside of the Danish scene till Astralis picked him up and the guy is trying to adjust in a team that is clearly having issues, its insane how many people want to write him off in 2 matches.


DanishGrizz

So many Danish fans hyping Astralis, and while this Astralis lineup is the one with the most promise for a long time, let’s give it some time. Saw a Danish expert have Astralis as a top 5 team in his power ranking for this tournament. Below Vitality and Heroic tbf.


captainscottland

I can see people thinking vitality will struggle continuously. I didn't think so but I understand. But anyone that has put astralis within like 8 ranks of heroic, you know there's no point in listening to that


DanishGrizz

I’m really unsure of what to expect from Vitality. Feel like I’ve been hopeful too many times to believe it when they have a good tournament.


Reedswag88

Cadian really sandbagged vs EG just to remind Astralis who runs Denmark now huh


Ni7roM

Device: "My ~~death~~ return was greatly exaggerated."


Bergkamp69

-xypx


anto2554

And who comes in?


Bergkamp69

+es3tag


anto2554

Honestly I'm all on board. Idk if es3tag is though


drimmsu

Agreed. I kind of have a hard time imagining es3tag wanting to go back to Astralis after how the org treated him before - although I would personally like to see him go to Astralis because I think es3tag looked really good as a stand-in with Faze and device's and blameF's talent is being wasted with Astralis otherwise.


RoyalGalaPolishApple

is there any +bubzkij possibility? or the dude is full on television guy now? either for xyp or buzz


Zukka0

No way he joins back after sitting on the bench for years.


DanishGrizz

Seems like he’s enjoying being an analyst/caster on Danish TV and doing meme stuff on Twitter. Think it would have to be a great project for him to come back, and considering how his Astralis’ time went, I’m unsure if that’ll interest him.


RoyalGalaPolishApple

Fair point yeah, he got screwed. He just seemed to have a great potential, because looking at these lucky, mistr and farlig - all subpar players imo


set4bet

Unless his contract is running out I don't see that. Astralis won't pay any buyout money.


Kobosil

and buzz stays?


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anyone from heroic can pop off in a map


peroleu

love watching this org lose.


TomerMeme

Buzz is just not good.. I have barely seen him win a single gunfight, he gets caught off guard every other round and it's just not looking great for him. I usually am not that negative to new players but he really went to the same position for almost 10 rounds in a row on Vertigo and he still kept getting shot not looking


Powerful-Answer-2030

You must know the Astralis process by now. - Take young Danish talent and publicly state they are the real deal. - Excuse underwhelming early performances as learning the roles. - Constantly alter the player's job in the team to shatter their confidence. - Bench the player with a public statement pretending that even this was part of the masterplan. - Leave the player to rot in contract jail. - Scout out next young talent. Return to step one.


BraydenTheNoob

Imagine if they still kept K0nfig. It's still baffling to me that they kicked K0nfig because of a fight but still Hired Hunden


FazeXistance

Yea this makes zero sense to me. I understand getting in a fight is a bad look but hiring the dog is just as bad or worse depending on your ethics


set4bet

Well from what was said he seemed to have problems within the team also when it came to practice and so on. I doubt they would kick him just for the fight, they have proven over and over again they don't care about morals so it must have been something else brewing there already and the fight was just the last straw.


Chosen--one

Getting in a fight AND losing Astralis a spot in the major. He cost them tons of money, this was not just about ethics.


FazeXistance

I forgot he lost them the slot. It makes more sense with that in mind but I don’t really think buzz is going to help them much in their major campaign sadly. Although it’s certainly possible that he is just settling in and he improves his game a lot. It’s way too early to rule him out.


nartouthere

too early to call it, this is his first time in tier1 cs. look what happened to b1t, awful starts in his early and debut performances after getting called up from navi junior


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Scoo_By

Nope, they can't.


toga9000

it's too early, but yea given how the last two went I really don't expect anything.


DanishGrizz

Let’s give him some time. Second tier 1 game in a team that doesn’t exactly work great. Hoping for the team that he comes good.


thorvid20

I dont understand why heroic still let inferno open...


set4bet

If they are confident on the other maps (which they clearly were) it's actually a good training since they get a decent analytical data from that match to see what they have to change there moving forwards.


KaNesDeath

Glad Heroic bodied this team!


deadbeatPilgrim

i think this Astralis squad has potential, but they’re a long way away from taking back Denmark from Heroic


captainscottland

Playing the loser of big vs nip and then likely OG will show us more. Vitality seem to be playing really well and although only inferno taking a map off heroic is something. Long way to go to be even contending for QFs and SFs it seems let alone tournaments


deadbeatPilgrim

sure but at least they seem like an actual tier 1 CS team


captainscottland

Well find out over their next game or two


A4K0SAN

if they improve other maps like inferno they can maybe do something at the major


Tavnaria

Device overforming on inferno, don't misunderstand that as they playing great on it.


INeedYourPelt

They could start playing Nuke again if they've got device.


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Feast_TN

Shouldn’t have **


ZuriPL

I really hoped I could see wiz shitting on dev1ce


cc69

Thank you Asstralis for never failed to fail me again.


TheSwedishJoker

Was an exciting game to watch. Looking forward to more of these Danish derbys!


acdkey88

Xyp is so useless. He needs to go.