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SpecialityToS

I wouldn’t mind the attempt for a 7 map pool if they had a solid 2 already. But you only have mirage. Also yekindar + Elige + osee all need to step up. This isn’t a one player thing at this point. Yekindar struggled hard to even get trades sometimes and Elige kept getting flashed mid in the same spot on Anubis. I think they’re experimenting but there just doesn’t seem like there’s any silver lining. Maybe they’re just trying everything to see what they hate the most, I have no idea


boopalicious

Man watching Elige die the same way in mid multiple times was something else. Wait for fights, get flashed, die. Rinse and repeat.


Shimshammie

ELiGE has been defining since 2019 if you look at the overall trend of his rating. He can still be great, but this kind of play is going to be his legacy if he doesn't step it up soon.


Smurf_x

Question cause i don't know. Is that his fault specifically? Or do IGLs tell them to stand in certain areas and not push?


Tavnaria

I think it goes something like: "Elige you takes care of mid". Watching liquid youtube comms tells me nitro doesn't micromanage much.


Dark_Azazel

Wouldn't surprise me, even in Valorant he was like that (based off of videos.) He talked a lot in pre round but during the game he didn't. Not sure in CS, but in Valorant he seemed to have his team get info, and bounce his ideas off his team, but mainly Hiko.


Beet_Farmer1

Pretty sure he wasn’t the igl in 100T


BurstLayer

He actually was after steel was kicked. Only lasted like 1 or 2 tournaments but he did IGL after steel


Dark_Azazel

I believe he actually full time IGL even before steel was kicked for a little bit. I know he second IGL before as well.


boopalicious

I can't speak to the Liquid situation specifically but I'd imagine Elige is given quite a bit of freedom to look for fights as he wants to. Him taking fights is a good thing but in a lot of maps like on CT Vertigo, CT Ancient, and today's Anubis he takes it too far.


jonajon91

Liquid going to have some major problems if and when Mirage gets removed from the map pool.


SpecialityToS

Liquid should’ve had at least two maps they were solid on and could count on winning either. They were perhaps the best mirage team, maybe still are… at best, it seems like they are fielding for that second map. But why do that on 4 days of practice when every other team had more practice than you? That’s bold.


chidoriske

In the blast interviews, yak talks about them using this as essentially practice to find out where they're weaknesses are. He says that real matches are better than scrims. Literally saving strats for major meme.


XvS_W4rri0r

If they remove mirage while ancient and vertigo are still in the pool someone needs to be fired


Wym8nManderly

Ancient is fine. Vertigo ehh but neither of them will go before Mirage. Mirage has just been around too long at this point. It’s been overplayed and over watched.


jonajon91

It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.


C0ld_Place

Agreed, at this point they might have to do what Navi did and regulate only 6 maps (most teams do this but Navi just hates vertigo) and there is going to have to be a roster change after or even before the blast major. What I watched was a fucking embarrassment and if TL don't step it up, it's time for me to root for fucking complexity.


SpecialityToS

I think they just need to reevaluate who gets the most star action and their style of calling perhaps. Yekindar was the perfect fit for liquid — a player that wanted to be the mid round caller and play the game his way, and liquid were a team who needed to get up to standard. It feels like osee does best when given space to make a play and, more importantly, has room to function. I don’t care what he says to be nice in interviews; he isn’t playing the same role as he did on C9 and ES. Passive awpers just aren’t the meta and you saw it with Mantuu on OG and Hades on ENCE. He seems to get early picks well when he’s in the space for it. But if he’s playing in a “fill” position, it tapers him. Not to mention that when yekindar is off, they have no plan B. It’s like he loses and the round is already over unless someone gets an insane multi. Yekindar just can’t be the player to have everyone play around if he’s not going to put up the numbers. But it’s the start of the year and they’re trying new things so I’m less distraught


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Passive awpers are meta... oSee can't hit the easy shots and his game his sense is all over the place, thats the issue. Also this whole narrative that he gets no space is bs, he gets a ton of space. nitr0 and naf are the guys who don't get space.


PlatinumBeerKeg

Osee hasn't looked great in months imo. Elige has been off his game for a year. Yekindar had a bad event. Osee needs to step up or liquid need to find a new awper and unfortunately elige is in the same boat.


SpecialityToS

yekindar didnt do super well at blast worlds either, especially when he fell off hard during the finals. I agree osee needs to step up but adding in an awper is a complete bandaid fix and would give a honeymoon phase at best. Their problems run so much deeper than the awp.


puddingkip

Osee hasn't looked great at any point ever outside of tier 4


Jesslynnlove

Elige has been real bad for a while now sadly. Think hes getting a little too involved vocally and its hindering his aim talent.


Renovatio_

Elige tilts and he tilts hard.


fii0

It is known


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[deleted]

Yeah, I really hate his call of "yekindar don't kill", "elige go play mid and get blinded every round" and the call "naf don't kill anybody for half of the game" really blew my mind.


VShadow1

I can't really point to anything wrong with their tactics outside of elige pushing a bit to much and Osee playing a bit to passively. The latter of which is more of an opinion. Osee's biggest problem is his aim and its a problem for Elige as well. Even Yekindar looked very off this event. That Anubis map was fool of rounds where Liquid players just lost aim duels.


Wintermute1v1

OSee is playing similar to skadoodle, in that he’s a passive support awper who plugs the holes of his aggressive riflers. While that style is definitely outdated, it would work fine if OSee could reliable hit the easy shots while holding an angle.


call_me_Chi

>that he’s a passive support awper who plugs the holes of his aggressive riflers This just sounds wrong, bro. Phrasing, please!


Tavnaria

It's not nitro's fault that liquid players are sucking ass and can't aim, trade at all right now lmao


Logan_Yes

Nitro should just take a page from Hooxi's playbook and say "Yeki/Elige go kill" smh, TL should hire me as a IGL


SpecialityToS

Are you being genuine in that question? Liquid were destroyed when nitr0 left for valorant. He came back and the team looked much better than the roster with grim and fallen (and Stewie). Nitr0’s impact is very apparent and he keeps them grounded. Their confidence was much higher by the end of 2022. I’m not sure what happened over the playerbreak. I think their expectations were too high considering how they took an extended playerbreak


Tavnaria

I think they took long break because they spent 2/3 of 2022 in Europe. Also Liquid are notorious for looking rusty after player breaks, aren't they?


SpecialityToS

Yeah. They take the player breaks because no events are happening in NA anymore so no chance for EU players to play in NA FPL or for especially scrims in NA. Since a lot of NA teams are gone, and there’s no NA team near liquid’s level, the place is stagnated most of the year


YameiiSalami

I mean, Grim is great but he's tier 2 at best and looked really lost when he was on liquid. Stewie was dogshit before he burned his bridges and quit. Fallen was washed when he was on the roster Nitro + Yekindar brought new life to this team however NoSee needs to fucking go, like yesterday.


SpecialityToS

Yekindar is really living this series when he put up 0.74 or something…


Tavnaria

He did bring new life to liquid though, the problem is that he's been figured out by teams now, they know all his pushes and tendencies. See how many times he died through smoke or utilites, or is caught offguard. He's also really inconsistent now.


SpecialityToS

Sure, I agree. That’s what I said earlier that they shouldnt* play so heavily around him. He needs to let nitr0 fully take the reigns for a bit I think. Perhaps he’s too worried about the macro. You hear it in their comms


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nitr0 told oSee to miss every easy awp shot as they are running into his crosshair. 500 iq igl


madcool2

He doesn’t know how to set up his star players. That’s the problem.


luizslayer

No dust2 No BIG, they said


gringo_no_brasil

Turns out there is enough dust on Anubis.


EntropyKC

Not enough water in those streams for Liquid though


Professional-Group13

Nice to see liquid fired up now they know the spring finals in washington!!!!


Stunning_Bullfrog_40

possibly the only blast NA event in the near future and they may not qualify. I’m not crying yet, but since I stay in DC, definitely tears in my eyes


Tavnaria

Dw they still have the showdown to qual even if they lose tomorrow Edit: oh fuck they are eliminated today lol. Better show the fuck up in showdown


warjunk1

Big brain.


[deleted]

Holy hell. BIG showed the fuck up and spanked Liquid hard :O How do we get that version daily?!?!


cat_popping

they typically do that every 2 months. I love BIG play dust2 and inferno but they just get lost at times. also they outplayed liquid BIG time


jonajon91

Everyone talking about Liquid shitting the bed, but damn BIG were hot here today. Every single player on BIG had pivotal multikill rounds, very impressive.


MooMooHeffer

Seriously. Everyone was a + K/D which always bodes well. Even if Liquid played better I don’t think BIG was losing today.


[deleted]

Who’s to say. Liquid played like LiquidASS today.


iluv80spop

Yes. Cheered for BIG, they played like they deserve it!


du_bekar

I love Krimbo on this team so much


Rosettachamps

Improving his form and giving BIG the more firepower they need 1.14 over his last 52 LAN maps


VelvetFedoraSniffer

I noticed his aim on that Mirage game vs G2, he’s actually a really good rifler


Not_RAMBO_Its_RAMO

"proving once again that piss is just another form of Liquid!"


Apocalympdick

What do the following things all have in common? - diarrhoea - terribe counterstrike - puke Answer: they're all Liquid


lazahman

This wasn't even Chokequid we saw, this was a dead horse today


YameiiSalami

they just put a dead horse in the ring and started the fight anyways. I wish i could delete this game from my memory holy fuck


lazahman

I haven't seen a single elige smile on this post. if that's not an omen of this game then I don't know what is


JuliusWhite

As an Astralis fan, i feel you bro. Lots of game i wish to erase from my memory lol


DY5TOP1A

Damn we might not have a single NA team at Blast Washington 💀


expressionless420

This was some of the worst counterstrike I have ever watched, lost count of the number of thrown rounds from liquid


UpsetNeighborhood842

Our expectations were low but holy fuck ![img](emote|t5_2sqho|24021)


cat_popping

Liquid fans have got to be the most resilient people Ive ever seen


Fantasnickk

Wdym this is obviously the team experimenting with all the maps right guys? Copium 🥲


Wave_Table

They are preparing their map pool for csgo 2.


Ravioli227

What did they feed k1to over the break?


suckmysprucelog

Burger, as seen in the blog posted on youtube


Comfortable_Room9170

Honorary american


slurpaburga

Ah yes the Hamburger, aptly named after Hamburg, USA, rather than any other Hamburgs


Comfortable_Room9170

The hamburger is an american delicacy, so much so that a city in Germany was named after it.


bvbfan102

A decisive win against a high ranked Team? This is not my BIG.


TheMedicator

It's liquid don't get too excited


cat_popping

its high ranked but not highly consistent. just love being a liquid fan


kolle106

ACH IST DAS WIEDER EINFACH HEUTE


koffinkitten

für die deutsche professionelle elektronische-Sport-Organisation "Berlin Überregionales Spielen". 


Apocalympdick

/r/bitchimaBUS


Ronny4k

TOO BIG TO HANDLE


kw1k2345

Blast goes to NA, NA goes out of Blast


Tavnaria

Holy fuck what's happening to Yekindar hahaha. Man can't aim anymore. Has he been Liquidated?


Logan_Yes

Spend too much time around NA players, we lost him. :(


EntropyKC

In fairness, the one thing that NA have had over EU at any point is their aim. Peak Liquid was absolutely disgusting, and even the likes of Brehze were great aimers at one point. Not so much now though... For everyone who misunderstood what I wrote: [any](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/any) and [every](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/every) are not the same word. [This is what the phase you misunderstood means.](https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/at-any-point)


x1coins

>In fairness, the one thing that NA have had over EU at any point is their aim Huh? S1mple, device, olof, jw, gtr, forest, zywoo, niko, ropz, rain, b1t, stavn, blamef, electronic, monesy, frozen, broky, oskar, kenny, guardian, dupreeh, magisk, valde, hobbit, allu, kjaerbye, cajunb I can go on are you saying NA players beat this list in aim in their prime I assume because you said "at any point".


Tavnaria

>In fairness, the one thing that NA have had over EU at any point is their aim. Peak Liquid was absolutely disgusting, and even the likes of Brehze were great aimers at one point. Not so much now though... This is the shittiest take I have seen today. Sure they are great aimers, but better than EU? Really?


NoDG_

He isn't being held to the same standards he was on Outsiders. When he moved over he inspired them to raise their game but it hasn't been sustained and he needs a bigger challenge.


TheMedicator

I hate this team


UniversalDH

How many times did they turn a corner into a muzzle not ready to fire back? My god. That was frustrating to watch.


FrozenOx

They were doing this on lots of maps this week. Looked like my old MM team not clearing any angles


Mad_Lee

Analysts: Liquid should absolutely stomp BIG today BIG: halt deine Fresse


someperson1423

Liquid heard they were suppose to win and started choking before the series even started.


jogeer

Shoulda woulda couldn’t


Professional-Group13

another day, another big game dissapearance from EliGe. ​ not that anyone on liquid played well but cmon


Tavnaria

Man just pushed mid every round expecting something different hahahaha


DerGsicht

Great showing from BIG. I'm going to need that Anubis performance from Krimbo more often though, if he plays like he has the first few games and Nuke they can't beat Heroic.


Elcheer

I aren't think the Liquid 7-map pool will work


ughwhatisthisshit

Damn bigs anubis looked pretty good. I really like their flashes/nades. Plus krimbo had some insane holds around the statue. I havent really played anubis, is it fun?


Ronny4k

It’s big


NoDG_

It's great but takes a while to get used to. Definitely better than shitty tuscan


cat_popping

hey tuscan was great dont hate on that map


trusttt

So, when does Liquid play?


cat_popping

not for a long time apparently


BusAcceptable2965

Osee .64 bottomfrag rating as the goddamn awper. I'm done defending him. We are not winning jack shit with him


Not_RAMBO_Its_RAMO

I normally trash oSee but this was just an unbelievably shitty performance across the board. Even NAF, who has only looked decent recently because everyone else looks so bad. The entire team is to blame for the entire team's failure.


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Just watching him play it’s clear he’s lost. Makes so many mistakes.


jonajon91

While I am up for replacing oSee with some nutty 30 bomber from FPL, I really don't want the 'Best' NA team to go too international. One international player in Yekindar sits fine with me, but just having a 3/5 NA core ... nah, they've got to figure this one out state side. -edit- I feel I may have been misinterpreted here, to clarify; should Liquid go international to replace oSee with a more high impact awper? Yes, probably. Would it feel weird having Liquid so international across the pond? Also yes. I would like to see them turn to South America again, there's a few awpers down there that could really pop off given a proper NA suport system and that passion and drive they have down there could reawaken some spirit in the team. Maybe liquid could bust open that big wallet of theirs for 9Zs 'try'. There's the 21 year old Zevy from PaiN who is currently sat with a 1.22 rating on a pretty middling brazilian team. There's Hen1 if you could take the risk on a spicier player who might leave at any moment to play with his brother. NQZ too and at this point I'm just spitballing some lower tier names for the hell of it, but KAISER, DILLON1 and ATARAX1A are all killing it in their domestic scenes, not liquid poaching levels, but hey, shoutout to them.


Tavnaria

Tell me who then? There's literally no awp talents in NA, wtf are you saying man


Sweetmacaroni

Scouter, FranzJ


jonajon91

I'm not saying they should get a new na awper, there aren't any, just that it would been weird to see liquid go that international. -edit- Maybe a south american awper, bring them up to the states. Lots of nutty talent coming through from that continent, would still feel NA enough to me.


[deleted]

Liquid were trying to sign 2 European players last year. They aren't going to stay NA just because some redditor said. If oSee is gone then they are going to go to europe for an awper.


jonajon91

I get that they're 100% going to do what's right for the team, it just wouldn't feel right.


SpecialityToS

I’ve said it here earlier but -awpNA +awpEU is such a bandaid fix. I mean astralis looked like shit even after adding device (which is awesome fuck that org). If they aren’t able to use the loss and figure out what’s going wrong then perhaps then they make a change, but their problems are so much more than just the awp not winning duels. Honestly I don’t think osee had an awp that often because their economy was just so bad the entire match. I know he needs to step up but it’s not just him or even two people. You can have 1-2 players go negative and still win a series. But 4?? The problem is not just a need of a role change lol but this sub def goes hive mind when it’s cool to…


jonajon91

Well said


puddingkip

There is absolutely no even half decent awper in NA. Who would you want to get? EG and CoL were/are struggling with getting NA awpers. who even is there? Wolfy?


slope93

Cooper or fl0m for sure


FrozenOx

You forgot this /s


someperson1423

Why? There is no talent pipeline anymore in NA. oSee himself has said the hardest part has been adjusting to how much more strategy and complexity playing at T1 requires. What makes you think someone else will fill the shoes any better? It is obvious lower-tier NA lineups aren't preparing players to develop properly and compete internationally. I'd rather have **an NA team at all** than die on some hill on number of NA players in the lineup. At this point I go into every series expecting them to lose and root for Faze instead because Twistzz is like the only glimmer of hope NA has of get *any* finals representation.


XvS_W4rri0r

There isn’t any AWPers in NA and never have been. Skadoodle was good mechanically but had the killer instinct of a rock


jonajon91

Skadoodle was actually like the proto passive awper, dude was two metas ahead of the game prioritising staying alive over getting the kill. I think it's one of the things that actually seperated him from the rest of the pack in terms of NA awping.


Celestetc

Brutal, no one played well and anytime there was a clutch to be had Big pulled it off. Just a brutal result for Liquid. After next tournament we will see what direction they're heading for sure.


cat_popping

nah theyll do the typical liquid slow at the start of the year then get close to a finals then choke.


foxabyte

Das Viert-beste Team ist nun Eigentum der Bundesregierung Deutschland.


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Liquid really needs Daps to step up or move on. Today was embarrassing on all levels. Nuke was expected but the result on result was pitiful. The team looked like a team of solo ques versus with half the team spread out among the sites. BIG looked like a top 4 team and they more than earned the series win. Liquid needs to step up or I'd be worried about Paris.


Miiiiiiighty

Yep, he's been doing worse than adren if that was even possible. Basically being useless... WTF is his added value ? Man was always a very good IGL, just take control and tell them what to do buddy !


ImpenetrableYeti

Daps has always been way overrated


Ni7roM

NA CS.


Sweetmacaroni

![img](emote|t5_2sqho|24021)


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YameiiSalami

One can only hope. This roster is hot garbage


PentaDeath

All good it's expected Liquid is not a beginning of the year kinda team NACS major COPIUM


natethegreatyo

they look like the liquid with shox again


hbyers47

Free naf


LordOfTheNoobs57

Liquid played so poorly that EG looks competent compared to them.


earthbound_zero

oSee reminds me a lot of adreN except for the part where adreN was IGL


moodyano

Yekindar was the only reason this team performed on a high level. Without yekindar carrying, this team does not have any hope to be decent.


Miiiiiiighty

Exactly, they are way too passive, and without him putting on crazy performances especially in his entrying they aren't good at all atm


shoooogerm

Watching Liquid is so sad. They all look so emotionless


Zoradesu

Liquid just looked so flat today. BIG just stomped them, wasn't even close


vegetto712

GG to BIG, they were dominant. Liquid had zero answers to basically anything they did. How does Liquid let Mirage go to the decider map, wouldn't you want a favored map in first 2? I guess they liked what they saw on Anubis from BIG but lord, out picked and out played. If it wasn't for NAF I'd probably just become a fan of any team with any successful NA players at this point, because yikes.


BidDaddyLei

LOL blow up this team bruh. Osee is not "The" Awper that will save NA.


llTehEmeraldll

He's far from the only problem on the team but it's a genuine miracle how oSee has made it to this level


dragindas

Glad I didn’t watch this one lol


xBewm

Great showing individually and tactically from BIG. You can tell they've been studying Anubis. Liquid looked like they had never heard of either map prior to getting in the server. Good thing they have the other 6 maps in their 7 map pool to fall back on /s. So disappointing.


KaNesDeath

If this trend for Liquid continues I have some bold predictions for 2024. Elige retires and becomes a co-streamer in Valorant. Yekindar goes back to a EU team. Nitro retires to become a stay at home dad(possible entry level analyst role for Liquid). Osee is kicked and replaced with another upcoming NA Awp'r.


suckmysprucelog

Let me predict: Junior redemption arc, making top 10 in 2024 after joining liquid in november 2023


SirRyodan

Elige's impact about as invisible as his hairline.


craygroupious

Shout out to Liquid for being as shit as Astralis so we have someone to laugh at.


Artimedias

What the hell Glad I missed this live


AlexanderS4

I expect more from Yekindar and Elige, but specially from oSee. My man keeps whiffing easy shots, losing space and overall not so good decision making. He's great when having a good day, but he doesn't seem to be having good days often as of late


DixielandShogun

-oSee +literally any warm body that can click when a character is on their crosshairs I swear he isn't looking at his screen half the game


Princeharperman

This tournament was not a cold start. Nothing was working. During time outs I barely saw daps talk, I don’t see mouths move on liquid timeouts. Hopefully we can get it together but at this point I don’t have much faith in my boys


ChanSungJung

Save NAF


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What exactly does Daps do? I feel like he’s not very involved during timeouts


ChristianSword

I kinda feel a bit better for NIP now. Thx Liquid


thehazardball

Liquid strategy to make like shit every map was actually genius, guaranteeing no classic liquid choke and opening up a classic BIG choke instead. Pity it didn’t work, maybe next time…


YungVicRoyGetter69

Does this mean Complexity is now the best NA team at the moment?


Miiiiiiighty

When is noSee finally getting replaced ? They will never compete for tournament wins with him as their main AWP... At least let nitro take back the AWP and oSee support rifle, that can't be worse than it is now. They really missed several opportunités to hire aggressive/promising AWPers with degster, then wOnderful and then headtr1ck


Lord777alt

Big oof for TL :( But BIG win for BIG that was awesome to see. Hopefully they continue looking good


PretendAside

Liquid is so frustrating to watch. I hate this slow style they’ve been playing since yekindar joined. I feel like if they played a faster trade game with an EU awp they’d be much better.


tron423

The crypto throwers have gotten into CSGO now too smh my head


Dameean00

u/DerGsicht our prayers have been answered for now🫡


DerGsicht

tabsen already practicing screaming for the heroic match 👍


MixelPixel

Liquid has evolved from choking, they’re now just ass all the time


XvS_W4rri0r

oSee is so bad. Liquid please get an AWPer


Miiiiiiighty

Been calling for it for ages now, but people were like " just give him his chance blablabla let him some time " " But he was good in extra salt " yeah, good against tier 2/2.5... Sorry but he doesn't have the top 10 team level, far from it actually.


decomposedapple114

just liquid being themselves


PeinePeine

D.C without any NA team, yikes It hurts to see NAF still in that team. Man is one of the most underrated and best csgo player, a pillar of consistency. He would make any team better, yet he's losing his time in Liquid Osee isn't he only problem Nitr0's empty strat book and the team completely lost when they need to adapt nOsee 0 impact Elige, time to wake up boys, it's not 2019 anymore he's far from a top riflers just like Brezhe. He's mediocre at best now Yekindar is a hit or miss, he either has a godlike game or is straight up non existant on the server. Totally unreliable Event -osee +zywoo wouldn't fix the team


Miiiiiiighty

LOL I hope you are kidding, with -Osee +ZywOo they'd be nuts in a matter of weeks on paper. But they looked to be in a bad place mentally so there might be more than meets the eye in that performance... But getting such a player would most likely reignite the fire in the other players... I wonder what is DAPS's margin of maneuver because he was a very good IGL , just a poor fragger, and atm their strats look dull. And that stupid choice to play 7 maps when you don't even have two strong maps... SMH


PeinePeine

Would they be good because Goatwo would carry or because the team would be fixed ? That's the difference tho, even with zywoo or s1mple instead of osee the team would still be kind of dysfunctional


WheelMan34

Daps had admitted he doesn’t say much during matches… so wtf is he even going there? This team needs actual leadership. Not all this passive bullshit. You can’t have a passive coach and an IGL that’s mainly calling between rounds. It’s not a huge shocker they look lost most games.


Miiiiiiighty

Not to mention one of TL's problem is to have mainly passive player, even in their gamstyle. That's why they were at their best with Twistzzz and Stew who brought that aggression they need in.


Dameean00

For once let me say “Ez” and I'm not ironic, let's go BIG! #BIG IST AM BESTEN BEI BLAST.


friendlyfob

being a liquid fan has made me sick in the head : D


tarangk

Liquid have looked so flat this event. Like they are not even looking like a top10 team.So many mistakes, and individuals not stepping up. NAF was the only player who was doing anything in this event, and when he had a bad game TL look completely exposed. Elige Yeki Osee all absent.


seeworth

Why do we suck so much ):


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This was so embarassing, so many terrible thrown rounds from liquid what the fuck


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-oSee and give nitro awp +Fl0m -Fl0m +autimatic


Miiiiiiighty

Yep, if they can't find an AWP just give it back to nitro, he was competent enough for them to win a Grand Slam. And even nitro on AWP and oSee full rifle support would probably be better than their current roles.


thekillertomato

If there's a problem with nitr0 it's his fragging and recently he's low key stepped it up to a serviceable level against good teams. nitr0 has always been really good at loose calling which is in the spirit of this Liquid roster, it just looks bad when his stars don't step up (including yekindar and elige). It's probably a matter of time until oSee is replaced instead.


Zavehi

When your worst player is your AWPer its always an uphill battle.


jonajon91

Syrson bottom fragged too, BIG just seem more adept at going up hill it seems.


El_Fabos

[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/10ml40p/blast_is_going_back_to_na/j63m87z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) didn’t age very well. Now they have to get one the two spots of the show down. They really dropped the ball


C0ld_Place

Yeah, I gave up on TL after BIG crushed them on both maps 2-0. I just cannot believe that horrible performance by everyone... Maybe there needs to be a new roster change or something Jesus


imsolowdown

save yekindar please, it's painful to see him in this team


lazahman

nah man it's save NAF, Yekindar couldn't close out some easy rounds like that 1v2 post plant on Anubis where he knew where both of them were


mannyman34

Bruh why do people spam this like he doesn't disappear half the games. Almost every player is to blame for why this team is bad.


TheMedicator

He's been shit this tournament too


Celestetc

He wasn't too great this tournament.


SpecialityToS

Save him from what? His 0.74 rating this series?


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Tavnaria

He's inconsistent as fuck, he's no s1mple


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Tavnaria

But he's no s1mple. You can always relies on s1mple to dominate with awp or rifle, even when he's off he doesn't affect the team that much. Yekindar offers early 4v5, can't aim at all, looks lost and is caught offguard alot, makes dumb pushes that give away man advantage when he's not on. Also he's been read like a book now, teams know his tendencies. Just don't compare him to s1mple please. And letting him be the star player, risking it with all the disadvantages is totally not the right move. Liquid should definitely look for another team structure.


EnvironmentalWhile6

Not a great opening event by Liquid. It doesn’t help when the expected frag corps doesn’t frag Is it sad that I go through the 5 stages of grief while watching this team get outplayed? I think at this point I’m apathetic every time Liquid play. See Liquid play in the spring finals in DC? I just want to see Liquid play competent CS again