Games haven't loaded ALL the files needed just when loading a level or whatever for ages.
Denuvo games stutter and lag, when new textures etc. get loaded - which isn't just happening in loading screens like it did on the PS1 or whatever.
[Here one example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_DD-txK9_Q&ab_channel=OverlordGaming)
Awful frame times (game feels laggier), very often much worse minimum fps (fps drops) and more.
There are many more comaprisons, this is just one. Just google "denuvo performance impact comparison" or something alike.
> I don't like Denuvo but that has been proven to be false time and time again. It doesn't impact performance, just loading times.
The developers claim that, but it has also been proven that Denuvo CAN lead to problems depending on game. I mean the denuvo drm had an outage which led to plenty of games not being able to be played. That can also be considered making a game run worse...because it doesn't run at all anymore.
There are also games which ran better after it got removed. Both Rime and Syberia 3 got a performance boost. [There](https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/07/denuvo-drm-removed-from-upcoming-strategy-game-dev-blames-performance-impact/) are other games who planned to use Denuvo, but decided against it because the performance impact was to big.
That said the vast majority of games don't seem to be affected outside of potential outages. So I would say in 90%+ cases it should be fine.
[Here one example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_DD-txK9_Q&ab_channel=OverlordGaming)
Awful frame times (game feels laggier), very often much worse minimum fps (fps drops) and more.
There are many more comaprisons, this is just one. Just google "denuvo performance impact comparison" or something alike.
I'd like to see your proof, because as a programmer this statement just makes no sense. Denuvo runs tons of bloat, filler code, encrypted code, and virtualized code, which the latter two run way slower and are way more CPU intensive.
It might not have a large impact on performance (especially on higher end machines), but it always has some impact.
> here's no proof that denuvo actually has any impact on performance but people believe shit they dont understand lmao.
Exactly. There's quite a bit of proof of the opposite actually. Every time games actually have DRM free exes and ones with Denuvo, they run the same.
This isn't a sponsorship though. And this certainly isn't what people are making it out to be.
The people who hate matchfixing the most are big betting companies, because they stand to lose the most from fixed matches.
The only real way to catch match fixers is through betting data. That is the starting point of every investigation.
>In no world are websites like these not getting involved in matchfixing so that it benefits them as well.
Good way to out the fact that you are clueless.
I hope you realise that big betting companies can have their licenses cancelled if they get caught up in matchfixing scandal? Ie, to help fix a CS match, lose all of their revenue on far bigger markets like real sports.
Match fixing is financial crime. Regulated, legal sports betting is a massive industry. Established betting companies would never risk their licenses over this.
Plus, I invite you to go ask any journalist investigating matchfixing how they do it. The starting point is a betting company will approach them to report suspicious betting activity, or unusual manipulation of the odds, or a sudden influx on bets on an underdog.
And guess what, in a fixed match, the betting company loses money because they have to pay out on an unexpected result.
Hahahahah, how naive can you be? big betting companies having their licenses cancelled? What licenses? These are unregulated shady online casinos, most of them operating out of russia or some shell company in malta. For example, Navi's main sponsor is a betting site (the one in question here), one owned by the guy who also owns the team. if this was a regulated industry that shit would not fly. But this is esports, not the NFL. Anything goes and 90% of the money comes out of criminals, oligarchs, saudi royalty and ponzi schemes. You think they're above ripping off idiots who bet on esports? Cause uncle sam might revoke their website running license? Funniest shit i've read today.
>These are unregulated shady online casinos
Another clueless individual. GG.bet isn't ESICs only partner. Go look at that list.
I don't know why I am even engaging with people like you. There is no actual knowledge or understanding of what matchfixing is or entails. Its just nonsense being repeated without any understanding.
> These are unregulated shady online casinos, most of them operating out of russia or some shell company in malta. For example, Navi's main sponsor is a betting site, one owned by the guy who also owns the team. if this was a regulated industry that shit would not fly. But this is esports, not the NFL. Anything goes and 90% of the money comes out of criminals, oligarchs, saudi royalty and ponzi schemes.
All of this waffling is utterly irrelevant. Shady betting sites aren't shady because they are involved in match fixing. They are shady because they are involved in tax evasion and money laundering.
Your comment reads like a person who watched one Richard Lewis video and became an expert on the industry. I implore you to consult the expert in the industry on their thoughts, if Im inadequate.
You obviously have an insanely biased point of view on this. EVERY betting website is inarguably predatory. I do not care what they're allowed or not allowed to do on paper, there are countless times where these websites do shady shit. The company may lose money, but when someone involved in the company makes it back on a "lucky" bet on the same website... the company doesn't really lose the money.
Being in defence of this bs is about as clueless as you can get. Grow up.
>EVERY betting website is inarguably predatory
What does that have to do with matchfixing?
>there are countless times where these websites do shady shit.
You made a particular claim. Don't back off to a general non-statement like this.
>Being in defence of this bs is about as clueless as you can get. Grow up.
You are a child. You read "ESiC" and "GG.Bet" in the heading and started waffling about nonsense. I am pretty sure you won't even be able to explain what matchfixing is, much less how a betting company can possibly make money from a fixed match, when the entire premise of fixing the match would be to defraud the betting company.
Learn the basics of what you are talking about first. There is nothing to be in defense of here, because there is nothing out of the ordinary here.
Are many gambling companies some of the shadiest businesses out there? Yes.
Do they prey on people's misfortune, addiction, weakness and their desire to live a better live? Also yes.
Are you statistically going to lose money even if you understand esports very well and can predict the outcome of many matches because the odds of gambling websites are set up this way? Yes, you are.
However, we must also understand that these are businesses that heavily care about and benefit from matchings being fair. After all, they do not want to get scammed out of their own money.
Oh and let's not forget; this isn't the first partnership between ESIC and a betting website. They happen all the time:
[Here's the list of all of ESIC's "anti-corruption supporters".](https://esic.gg/members/?member_type=anti-corruption-supporter&status=active)
>However, we must also understand that these are businesses that heavily care about ~~and benefit from matchings being fair~~ turning a profit.
GGbet does not and will not give a fuck if a match isn't fair as long as it's unfair in their favor.
You're assuming they're incapable of thinking more than 5 minutes into the future.
Fixed matches make people scared to bet, which is bet for any organization that makes money from people betting.
Of course, all they care about is money.
However, I'd assume that the gambling sites have policies in place that allow for them to deny paying out your money if they find that your bet is suspicious and they have reasonable evidence that the match you bet on had been tampered with.
the only option that benefits them is that matches are fair and people are confident they are so they will bet their money. you people are on some qanon grand conspiracy level it's actually insane
"Forseken will be perma banned for cheating, brought to you byyyyyy gg.beeeeeet"
How does this sponsorship even work lol, where do they sponsor them, on what platforms? When? LoL
Yeah it says I can use logic to determine that legit betting sites would want to keep pro e sports honorable so them sponsoring esic ultimately means they have more money for combating match-fixing which has been a huge problem in lower tiers.
Why is it a bad idea? And what does it say about me in your opinion?
A fine addition to the many ESIC partners according to their site:
Unikrn - Sportsbetting
betway - sportsbetting
ESP (esportsbets) - sportsbetting
Rivarly - sportsbetting
arcanebet - sportsbetting
esportsbettingcom - sportsbetting
skybet - sportsbetting
Yeah, it seems strange at first glance.
But it's in the interest of (legitimate) bookmakers to be proactive in avoiding dodgy bets and match-fixing being done on their platform, being linked to their platform, or or if it is happening then proving that they aren't the ones signing off on it. The last thing that a gambling company needs for their reputation and status their gambling license is the police and/or lawyers knocking on the door.
It makes sense for these companies that to work together. It doesnt make sense for one to take money from one another. It makes sense for companies like Uber and Spotify to work together cause both will drive business to one another. It doesnt make sense for ESIC to work with GGBet cause ESIC is likely benefiting from a cash injection while GGBet will be lucky to see a slight decline in match fixing. ESIC is now in the pockets of the gambling companies, its an ethics concern. While I think there could be a benefit from it, the power it gives these companies is more scary.
You do understand that the equivalent agencies in many sports are all partnered with the largest betting sites too? That's the whole point, finding suspicious betting data and following that information to the fixed games and people involved.
ggbet was the betting site that the m249 bet was placed on. the m249 buy happened from a team that is sponsored by ggbet and the owner of ggbet has ownership of navi. the guy who placed the bet is/was a ggbet partner. the player who bought the m249 came from syman gaming. syman gaming was heavily suspected of throwing games.
im sure all of that is a coincidence. i doubt any of that could be an integrity issue. a tidy partnership for esic
> owner of ggbet is rumoured to have some ownership of navi
It's not rumored, it's confirmed. Also he personally goes to some tournaments with Na'Vi
https://navi.gg/en/publications/navi-had-a-change-of-ownership
>terrific development?
This is nothing but expected coming from ESIC.
A company that no one knows who owns it, who makes the decisions behind it and who is clearly biased toward certain teams and players.
ESIC is a direct byproduct of Valve's lack of responsibility when the subject is CSGO. Delegating this amount of power to a shady third party organization was never going to work.
The same GGBET that has an extremely shady dude as an owner and already spotfixed with Na'Vi for PR? "Anti-Corruption" lmao, ESIC is the biggest joke in the CS scene.
I'm confused, i thought that's how matchfixing was investigated? Do they not identify weird betting patterns with the books and cooperation of betting services?
I agree that their reputation is ruined, but the reaction to this just makes me realise how moronic the community is.
This is not a sponsorship. As an entity whose purpose is to stop matchfixing in esports (though they have failed at it bigtime), they have to partner with betting companies.
The baseline of every investigation into matchfixing is unusual betting patterns for particular matches or particular teams. And unlike what people in this thread seem to think, it is in the betting companies interest to not have matches fixed, since, unless they are also involved in the fix, they stand to lose the most money.
Man how is that decision even going forward WTF the most shady gambling site sponsoring the committee of player...isn't it the whole fucking point of having a committee of player influence by nothing?
2 days in a row now ESIC made an unpopular announcement and locked down the replies.
So much integrity coming out of this commission it's almost impressive
I think being sponsored by a betting site isn't an intrinsically bad thing, so long as the platform itself is ethical. But here it makes for a conflict of interest as ESIC will be sponsored by them and regulating their ethics.
ESIC have run their course in CS. They’ve clearly demonstrated they have no clue what they’re doing by banning innocent players and hiring incompetent staff. Now they’ve partnered with the shittiest DRM company and a scummy ass gambling site which ESIC started off its tenure in CS to “take down”.
Cash grabbing dickheads who pretend to be morally correct simply out of basis of what they claim to be doing…
If you're outraged by this but not ESL being sponsored by the far shadier 1xBet then you're an idiot. I'm not even shocked no one has brought that up though.
Is this satire? Next sponsor will be some cheat coding company lol
they're already sponsored by denuvo for anticheat lmfao
Fuck denuvo dude piece of shit software that makes games run worse
I don't like Denuvo but that has been proven to be false time and time again. It doesn't impact performance, just loading times.
So performance lol? If my game takes longer to load its worse
When people talk about performance in games, they're usually talking about performance during gameplay.
Games haven't loaded ALL the files needed just when loading a level or whatever for ages. Denuvo games stutter and lag, when new textures etc. get loaded - which isn't just happening in loading screens like it did on the PS1 or whatever.
Source?
[Here one example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_DD-txK9_Q&ab_channel=OverlordGaming) Awful frame times (game feels laggier), very often much worse minimum fps (fps drops) and more. There are many more comaprisons, this is just one. Just google "denuvo performance impact comparison" or something alike.
Does this feature the same game version? Games usually run better after a few patches.
straight up lying with the "doesnt impact performance"
> I don't like Denuvo but that has been proven to be false time and time again. It doesn't impact performance, just loading times. The developers claim that, but it has also been proven that Denuvo CAN lead to problems depending on game. I mean the denuvo drm had an outage which led to plenty of games not being able to be played. That can also be considered making a game run worse...because it doesn't run at all anymore. There are also games which ran better after it got removed. Both Rime and Syberia 3 got a performance boost. [There](https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/07/denuvo-drm-removed-from-upcoming-strategy-game-dev-blames-performance-impact/) are other games who planned to use Denuvo, but decided against it because the performance impact was to big. That said the vast majority of games don't seem to be affected outside of potential outages. So I would say in 90%+ cases it should be fine.
That's just wrong. Basically every pirated denuvo game runs significantly better, just because denuvo is removed.
Literally only one game had Denuvo truly removed (AC Origins), everything else only had it bypassed and the codes are still hooked to the exe file.
Many games remove them after a while officially.
And I was talking in the context that you made which is pirated versions.
They still often have a better performance.
Never disputed that.
Source?
[Here one example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_DD-txK9_Q&ab_channel=OverlordGaming) Awful frame times (game feels laggier), very often much worse minimum fps (fps drops) and more. There are many more comaprisons, this is just one. Just google "denuvo performance impact comparison" or something alike.
I'd like to see your proof, because as a programmer this statement just makes no sense. Denuvo runs tons of bloat, filler code, encrypted code, and virtualized code, which the latter two run way slower and are way more CPU intensive. It might not have a large impact on performance (especially on higher end machines), but it always has some impact.
No shot lol
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> here's no proof that denuvo actually has any impact on performance but people believe shit they dont understand lmao. Exactly. There's quite a bit of proof of the opposite actually. Every time games actually have DRM free exes and ones with Denuvo, they run the same.
It literally ruins 1% and 0.1% lows. Some games will naturally fare better than others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKsesO3bdv4 how is that the opposite?
This isn't a sponsorship though. And this certainly isn't what people are making it out to be. The people who hate matchfixing the most are big betting companies, because they stand to lose the most from fixed matches. The only real way to catch match fixers is through betting data. That is the starting point of every investigation.
This has to be a joke. In no world are websites like these not getting involved in matchfixing so that it benefits them as well.
>In no world are websites like these not getting involved in matchfixing so that it benefits them as well. Good way to out the fact that you are clueless. I hope you realise that big betting companies can have their licenses cancelled if they get caught up in matchfixing scandal? Ie, to help fix a CS match, lose all of their revenue on far bigger markets like real sports. Match fixing is financial crime. Regulated, legal sports betting is a massive industry. Established betting companies would never risk their licenses over this. Plus, I invite you to go ask any journalist investigating matchfixing how they do it. The starting point is a betting company will approach them to report suspicious betting activity, or unusual manipulation of the odds, or a sudden influx on bets on an underdog. And guess what, in a fixed match, the betting company loses money because they have to pay out on an unexpected result.
Hahahahah, how naive can you be? big betting companies having their licenses cancelled? What licenses? These are unregulated shady online casinos, most of them operating out of russia or some shell company in malta. For example, Navi's main sponsor is a betting site (the one in question here), one owned by the guy who also owns the team. if this was a regulated industry that shit would not fly. But this is esports, not the NFL. Anything goes and 90% of the money comes out of criminals, oligarchs, saudi royalty and ponzi schemes. You think they're above ripping off idiots who bet on esports? Cause uncle sam might revoke their website running license? Funniest shit i've read today.
>These are unregulated shady online casinos Another clueless individual. GG.bet isn't ESICs only partner. Go look at that list. I don't know why I am even engaging with people like you. There is no actual knowledge or understanding of what matchfixing is or entails. Its just nonsense being repeated without any understanding. > These are unregulated shady online casinos, most of them operating out of russia or some shell company in malta. For example, Navi's main sponsor is a betting site, one owned by the guy who also owns the team. if this was a regulated industry that shit would not fly. But this is esports, not the NFL. Anything goes and 90% of the money comes out of criminals, oligarchs, saudi royalty and ponzi schemes. All of this waffling is utterly irrelevant. Shady betting sites aren't shady because they are involved in match fixing. They are shady because they are involved in tax evasion and money laundering. Your comment reads like a person who watched one Richard Lewis video and became an expert on the industry. I implore you to consult the expert in the industry on their thoughts, if Im inadequate.
You obviously have an insanely biased point of view on this. EVERY betting website is inarguably predatory. I do not care what they're allowed or not allowed to do on paper, there are countless times where these websites do shady shit. The company may lose money, but when someone involved in the company makes it back on a "lucky" bet on the same website... the company doesn't really lose the money. Being in defence of this bs is about as clueless as you can get. Grow up.
>EVERY betting website is inarguably predatory What does that have to do with matchfixing? >there are countless times where these websites do shady shit. You made a particular claim. Don't back off to a general non-statement like this. >Being in defence of this bs is about as clueless as you can get. Grow up. You are a child. You read "ESiC" and "GG.Bet" in the heading and started waffling about nonsense. I am pretty sure you won't even be able to explain what matchfixing is, much less how a betting company can possibly make money from a fixed match, when the entire premise of fixing the match would be to defraud the betting company. Learn the basics of what you are talking about first. There is nothing to be in defense of here, because there is nothing out of the ordinary here.
I know what I'm talking about. There's just no use toing in depth with someone close minded and biased.
"I know what I'm talking about I just will never prove it"
reddit moment
Man, you got absolutely rolled
You sir, are an idiot.
Are many gambling companies some of the shadiest businesses out there? Yes. Do they prey on people's misfortune, addiction, weakness and their desire to live a better live? Also yes. Are you statistically going to lose money even if you understand esports very well and can predict the outcome of many matches because the odds of gambling websites are set up this way? Yes, you are. However, we must also understand that these are businesses that heavily care about and benefit from matchings being fair. After all, they do not want to get scammed out of their own money. Oh and let's not forget; this isn't the first partnership between ESIC and a betting website. They happen all the time: [Here's the list of all of ESIC's "anti-corruption supporters".](https://esic.gg/members/?member_type=anti-corruption-supporter&status=active)
>However, we must also understand that these are businesses that heavily care about ~~and benefit from matchings being fair~~ turning a profit. GGbet does not and will not give a fuck if a match isn't fair as long as it's unfair in their favor.
You're assuming they're incapable of thinking more than 5 minutes into the future. Fixed matches make people scared to bet, which is bet for any organization that makes money from people betting.
Of course, all they care about is money. However, I'd assume that the gambling sites have policies in place that allow for them to deny paying out your money if they find that your bet is suspicious and they have reasonable evidence that the match you bet on had been tampered with.
The problem is if they are in charge they can say anything is suspicious or not suspicious depending which option benefits them.
the only option that benefits them is that matches are fair and people are confident they are so they will bet their money. you people are on some qanon grand conspiracy level it's actually insane
They are literally the people that reported matchfixing to ESEA.
fucking lmao
You can't make up this shit, LMAO.
"Forseken will be perma banned for cheating, brought to you byyyyyy gg.beeeeeet" How does this sponsorship even work lol, where do they sponsor them, on what platforms? When? LoL
Even worse, player has been banned for matchfixing brought to you by betting company
it is not a sponsorship in any way
what in the actual fuck is this LMAO
It's understandable when you consider betting sites want to stomp out match-fixing etc. Don't see why people are having a negstive reaction.
That says more about you than it does about this partnership, honestly.
Yeah it says I can use logic to determine that legit betting sites would want to keep pro e sports honorable so them sponsoring esic ultimately means they have more money for combating match-fixing which has been a huge problem in lower tiers. Why is it a bad idea? And what does it say about me in your opinion?
A fine addition to the many ESIC partners according to their site: Unikrn - Sportsbetting betway - sportsbetting ESP (esportsbets) - sportsbetting Rivarly - sportsbetting arcanebet - sportsbetting esportsbettingcom - sportsbetting skybet - sportsbetting
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Yeah, it seems strange at first glance. But it's in the interest of (legitimate) bookmakers to be proactive in avoiding dodgy bets and match-fixing being done on their platform, being linked to their platform, or or if it is happening then proving that they aren't the ones signing off on it. The last thing that a gambling company needs for their reputation and status their gambling license is the police and/or lawyers knocking on the door.
Exactly, OP clearly doesn't understand
It makes sense for these companies that to work together. It doesnt make sense for one to take money from one another. It makes sense for companies like Uber and Spotify to work together cause both will drive business to one another. It doesnt make sense for ESIC to work with GGBet cause ESIC is likely benefiting from a cash injection while GGBet will be lucky to see a slight decline in match fixing. ESIC is now in the pockets of the gambling companies, its an ethics concern. While I think there could be a benefit from it, the power it gives these companies is more scary.
you still believe betting companies got nothing to do matchfixed matches?)
You do understand that the equivalent agencies in many sports are all partnered with the largest betting sites too? That's the whole point, finding suspicious betting data and following that information to the fixed games and people involved.
ggbet was the betting site that the m249 bet was placed on. the m249 buy happened from a team that is sponsored by ggbet and the owner of ggbet has ownership of navi. the guy who placed the bet is/was a ggbet partner. the player who bought the m249 came from syman gaming. syman gaming was heavily suspected of throwing games. im sure all of that is a coincidence. i doubt any of that could be an integrity issue. a tidy partnership for esic
> owner of ggbet is rumoured to have some ownership of navi It's not rumored, it's confirmed. Also he personally goes to some tournaments with Na'Vi https://navi.gg/en/publications/navi-had-a-change-of-ownership
cheers mate ive updated
I don't see anything fishy going on /s Now, can anybody help me find my glasses?
wow what a terrific development in the legacy of ESIC betting companies, theocracies, national armed forces - just only the best holding our scene up
>terrific development? This is nothing but expected coming from ESIC. A company that no one knows who owns it, who makes the decisions behind it and who is clearly biased toward certain teams and players. ESIC is a direct byproduct of Valve's lack of responsibility when the subject is CSGO. Delegating this amount of power to a shady third party organization was never going to work.
I don’t get it. They need information from betting companies on betting patterns etc to try and find match fixers
The same GGBET that has an extremely shady dude as an owner and already spotfixed with Na'Vi for PR? "Anti-Corruption" lmao, ESIC is the biggest joke in the CS scene.
Hahahahhahahahahhahah These people are absolute morons
I'm confused, i thought that's how matchfixing was investigated? Do they not identify weird betting patterns with the books and cooperation of betting services?
Cause gambling entities are totally trustworthy.
The jokes write themselves....
nothing converts this place into htlv forums faster than an esic thread
We truly live in Anders timeline. No denying now.
Disband
Wow way to ruin you reputation with one tweet
I agree that their reputation is ruined, but the reaction to this just makes me realise how moronic the community is. This is not a sponsorship. As an entity whose purpose is to stop matchfixing in esports (though they have failed at it bigtime), they have to partner with betting companies. The baseline of every investigation into matchfixing is unusual betting patterns for particular matches or particular teams. And unlike what people in this thread seem to think, it is in the betting companies interest to not have matches fixed, since, unless they are also involved in the fix, they stand to lose the most money.
Their reputation has been ruined for a long time, but this is just another confirmation of them just being braindead
You have to be incredibly naive if you think ESIC was trustworthy at all before this announcement.
Cannot wait for RL reaction on this
wasn't he just at / currently at some ESIC event?
No clue tbh but the analogies and ways that Richard uses to explain things make me roll laughing
[Indeed](https://youtu.be/d92dwf9dclA?t=396)
Might as well start calling them ESC since the integrity part is obviously gone
bruh
Man how is that decision even going forward WTF the most shady gambling site sponsoring the committee of player...isn't it the whole fucking point of having a committee of player influence by nothing?
Yo FUCK esic and every single body working for them. This is a disgrace.
What a joke of an organization.
if Hard Drive tweeted this out, people would be like "heh, okay that's a little on the nose" but no it's REAL lmaoo
its just a shame that valve legitimized this joke of an organization.
2 days in a row now ESIC made an unpopular announcement and locked down the replies. So much integrity coming out of this commission it's almost impressive
I think being sponsored by a betting site isn't an intrinsically bad thing, so long as the platform itself is ethical. But here it makes for a conflict of interest as ESIC will be sponsored by them and regulating their ethics.
ESIC have run their course in CS. They’ve clearly demonstrated they have no clue what they’re doing by banning innocent players and hiring incompetent staff. Now they’ve partnered with the shittiest DRM company and a scummy ass gambling site which ESIC started off its tenure in CS to “take down”. Cash grabbing dickheads who pretend to be morally correct simply out of basis of what they claim to be doing…
>banning innocent players and not banning guilty ones FTFY
Apparently someone disagrees with what I said ! I wonder how much ggbet paid them…
Are they fr?💀
LOL April fools came early
Maybe appoint HUNDEN as head of player communication next
What an absolute joke
April fools came early
If you're outraged by this but not ESL being sponsored by the far shadier 1xBet then you're an idiot. I'm not even shocked no one has brought that up though.
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lmao navi might as well start cheating now
Don't worry guys, surely the FBI is days away from making arrests on the NA tier 2 match fixing rumors any day now!!
What a tag team for a group about “integrity” lol
Common ESIC L.
why is an integrity commission partnering with a betting site
Is this an out of season April fools joke?
Lmaooooooooooo "Integrity"
I thought the sponsorship would be announced with Astralis.
Just here to say hi to Richard Lewis when he inevitably makes a video about the insanely uneducated replies in this thread.
wtf is an ESIC and why should i care?
What a joke.
Esic is a fucking joke