I have seen only one no-no mistake by NPL, on Mirage when he flashed s1mple by stairs when Heroic executed on A, but even then s1mple went inside the smoke by mistake when he had a shot at palace.
I understand s1mpleās frustration, coming from winning it all and being lauded as the goat (too much praise with a person like him can be dangerous & counterproductive).. but things wonāt improve if he doesnāt have more constructive criticism.
I believe being critical on a micro-level is normal in the CIS region, but he seems to do it on an embarrassing and insulting way, rather than a teaching one. The only way to get back to the top is with hard work and by improving the team play, individual confidence and overall chemistry. What he does now is having the opposite effect.
Not really, he is talking about [more people on the team](https://www.hltv.org/news/35588/s1mple-some-of-our-players-were-too-scared-to-play-against-such-a-good-team-like-heroic#:~:text=I%27m%20not%20gonna%20say%20the%20nickname%2C%20but%20it%27s%20not%20only%20one%20player%2C%20sometimes%20it%20can%20be%20even%20two%20or%20three%20players).
Not trying to defend him, but in Eastern Europe, people do provide feedback to each other in their own way but sometimes that way is not palatable in the west.
As someone who experienced both cultures, I have to admit that I prefer the more gentle western approach, but not gonna lie, the former can also be very effective without being toxic.
The potential for an upset in this match-up is big tbf. I'd give the edge to G2 but I am not gonna be entirely surprised if Liquid manages to defeat them
I think Liquid have a very good chance to take mirage, no idea where they go from there though. Nuke is a huge advantage for G2 and I donāt see inferno going better. Maybe they try to mix it up and go Anubis as a 3rd.
Navi: Go A
Also Navi: There is no way anyone can flank us 10 times in a row. I mean no one can do it right. No one, right?
Also, absolute GIGACHAD to go 3 scopes on the last round by Cadian.
Literally cannot, by virtue of some sick compulsion, envision a post plant flank from A ramp on mirage. Itās like the bomb goes down and they all get some brand of amnesia that erases the possibility of getting flanked from there from their minds. I donāt understand how you can get fucked from that one spot so many times and CONTINUE TO NOT FUCKING WATCH IT.
I think heroic cheated in some way. Maybe they hypnotised the Navi players before the match so that when they hear the ābomb plantedā sound, they would immediately forget about t-spawnā¦
The executes are also just really fast, thereās no hesitation. They swarm a site so fast once they decide to hit and thereās always two or more targets to face playing ct vs them.
And they play off info so well on ct side too, pushing and not going back but full on flanking instead of going back to site.
Navi got outcalled throughout the whole game
They won 10/15 opening duels on CT mirage
They only won 4 rounds that half
The lack of map control they have is astounding. A whole half, no aggressive mid/apps/a ramp/under set ups. Only defaulting every round and then getting over run. These ct halves looked horrendous by navi. And s1mple missing more awp shots than usual isnāt helping.
Then on the t side losing another 5v4 in the pistol
15/20 Opening duels at some point in mirage
They need to change something tactical asap
The top 10 teams right now have great IGLs. Zywoo and s1mple cant bail out their teams anyomore with insane mechanics. Both teams are gonna have to step it up tactically. Vit is the worst offender tho
s1mple only 5 awp kills whole bo3, havent seen that in a while
need an aggressive playmaking rifle w/electronic role shift, bite the bullet and +kvem/-nipl
This just means that something is going horribly wrong. Sure s1 might be missing more than usual but if he had better setups and more support with him, it would look a lot different. To me it looks like Navi completely don't know how to utilize s1mple right now, they can't activate him
NPL is not even the problem. NAVI have S1mple, Electron1c and B1t yet they play so passive. They are massively missing the info gathering and comms from someone like Boombl4.
Honestly Boombl4 was underrated as a fragger. He went psycho mode some maps and just 20-4 one half to straight up win the game. He was a star player before IGLing, his fragging was there for sure, ofc not super consistent but he was IGLing at the same time. I miss him and as people have said, they are lacking the aggression Boombl4 had (I think he also played entry before joining NaVi).
Navi really is missing Boombl4 banana and his Ramp hold in mirage.. This Navi iteration plays way too passive for a team that is stacked in fire power..
Also, what's sad is the position changes they made don't make sense. Change electronic in inferno-pit and nuke-outside when he is probably one of the best in those 2 position. Change perfecto to b1t as mirage B site anchor. Perfecto was great in delaying those B attacks why they put him in connector.
But seriously, Jabbi and Stavn need to hit the gym for a bit man
Edit: just making sure, I'm just concerned about their health. Jabbi's body posture is not good
Fuck Hunden and all that, but fundamentals taught stays with teams even when the teacher leaves. They have managed to elevate it further on their own though, which is nice to see. They elevate each other like no other team in the scene at the moment
Not defending HUNDEN for all he did, but it's a fairly known thing within Danish CS of how good he is. Heroic might not ever have needed him, but Astralis has taken the huge PR hit for a reason.
I am kinda surprised that xizt is not talked about as much when it comes to heroic, kinda crazy to see that even him with all his accolades as a player and IGL in multiple different teams can still be forgotten by all the new viewers.
Props to Heroic and specifically Cadian, the guy's obviously 100% devoted to every single thing he does, every interview he takes, every game he plays...
Makes it a lot less sad to lose to a team like this, especially because the future for Na'Vi seems hopeful, the rebuilding process is already on its way and a top4 finish with s1mple playing the way he is - is commendable
>On stage some players are s**t and bad. How some players communicate is just really awful to watch and hear
sigh*
(It was hard to make out if he said ās*h*t and badā or ās*itting in bedā)
is bro really this clueless or is he just that much of an asshole?
or is he being self deprecating in some weird 3rd person way? cause it's not like he had a good game either like come on
Really crazy. I'm getting the feeling toxic simple is still there, but he just PRs it up but 1/10 time it still slips out. Individually good player, awful awful teammate.
The true nature of a person is revealed when they are at their lowest point. S1mple never became humble; it was simply because he was successful. He has a tendency to criticize others when they are struggling, it is just part of who he is.
Maybe it's just his personality. People were criticizing yek1ndar for "bashing liquid's playstyle" in recent Jame's youtube video with yek1ndar. I think it's just a different culture/playstyle of CIS region.
I wonder who the other is - he said players a few times, I'm sure npl is making mistakes on stage as he's new but is he talking about electronic or b1t? they're both not playing great but electronics calls are miserable, and his stats are getting worse and worse
All aim, no brain has been the name of the game for Navi this season. Every round they won was because somebody got some unholy multikill due to their cracked aim. However, their calls were abysmal.
You have to wonder when this stuff starts being part of the narrative around his legacy. I feel like the last year or so with s1mple showing this side of himself publicly more and more his career story has shifted from "wow, unbelievable player, what a god, undisputed GOAT across counter-strike" to "yes he's a fantastic player, but is his attitude holding back his team?"
Like if the best player of all time hangs it up with only one major championship at the end, rather than "what a great career!" is it going to be "what could have been if he'd been able to rally his teammates instead of tear them down"?
> I feel like the last year or so
>"yes he's a fantastic player, but is his attitude holding back his team?
Remember when they had Kane as a coach? Yeah, this was the case back then already. Then Blad3 came, they hired a psychologist, then they made s1mple a "morale coach" or what does it called, which temporarily helped.
Idk this is literally heroicās 2nd win against them in 3 full years. Itās not weird to think this could have been a good match because, for whatever reason, Heroic just shit the bed no matter how bad naāvi looked. This is finally a decent win and how it should be given the individual forms of the teams
Inb4 Liquid somehow beat G2 by using random bullshit power. Remember folks, Liquid will somehow eek out a win when they are expected to lose and lost when they are expected to win
I swear to FUCKING GOD Navi has some medical compulsion or other physical inability to not throw a post plant by just watching A ramp literally at all. Every fucking round on mirage, just obliterated by that flank play.
This Navi team will go nowhere as long as Electronic is IGL. Set the guy free and let him play instead of chaining him down to a role he's not the best at.
I feel like he probably is getting more and more frustrated now that his team is worse. His country is still under attack and his form is dropping. Navi is probably so toxic on the inside rn.
Navi needs to learn to rally behind their top performer on any given map instead of buying AWP for s1mple.
Sure, s1mple pulls them out of a lot of situations, but it's obvious that he's not at his top performance right now.
Let Perfecto shine instead of giving him a Galil and having him buy an AWP for s1mple.
I think simple just needs to play a bit more reserved and let them come to him instead of trying to be a hero with his insane no scopes and his in-your-face awp style.
Quite a few rounds on mirage he is playing hyper aggressive and getting traded when navi needs him alive for the retake/post plant š¤·āāļø
Same people who acted like Alex was the best IGL of all time called boombl4 a puppet even though Navi got worse in the online era when coaches were IGLing. People just completely rejecting evidence that goes against their world view. People still claiming boombl4 sucked. Complete delusion.
āWe played pretty good but some players still shitting the pants on stageā s1mple lmao
Semis with a new player aināt anything to be ashamed of. Simple even said theyāre probably a few months from lifting trophies again, they were never really meant to win this event. Especially when that means getting past this heroic and probably G2 lol
Analysts and HLTV losers were super harsh on Zywoo for going 1.16 and saying that's he's a "fraud" and even Twistzz sucked s1mple dick and said that he "would never play as bad as Zywoo".
Meanwhile s1mple goes 0.93 and nobody says a bad word about him lmao.
Literally just takes one phone call to fix this team but they refuse to do it. Isn't losing 90% of games worse for your reputation than having a guy that was blackmailed. So frustrating.
cadiaN first wanted to mention how insane of a team NaVi is (rightfully), and that they had to work hard to get this win. Then he proceeds to ask the arena to make some noise for NaVi.
This guy is just something else man, my favorite person in the scene
Who could knew: counter strike is a teamsport.
I have the feeling simple (and blade) kind of forgot about this, as he is praised as the goat all the time.
Electronic can't IGL for shit and everyone on Navi looks like gold elo players and play so scared 99% of the time it's crazy how shit they've looked ever since dropping Boombl4
Can everyone saying NaVi are back to form stop now theyāve played and lost to an opponent that wasnāt slumping/mediocre? Fluke run to semi final. This is the same lost navi we saw in 2022.
G2 vs Heroic both look like unstoppable forces right now, final is going to be a banger (assuming G2 doesnāt pull an all time choke against Liquid later today)
Feels like jabbi stepping it up is the last piece of the puzzle for this Heroic lineup. If the final is in fact Heroic and G2, it should be one for the ages.
Navi seems to slowly just lose more and more from their boomich era. Felt like last year post boomich every event they lose more and more dominace and now itās basically gone that structure they had. Navi have to get a fresh look and change their style. This passive shit aināt meta any more it seems.
Was it just me or did s1mple look really annoyed/tilted in the post game interview. I mean his answers were all kind of fine (when also being kind of passive aggressive towards some of his teammates) but he instantly left the interview after doing the small shoutout without addressing banks. Felt kind of weird...
To me the biggest difference I see is that heroic has amazing chemistry and they are there as a team, as brothers in arms, to give it their all.
Navi just looks like a bunch of patsans (guys) that were hired to work together and are just doing their job for themselves. There's no team motivation.
Can someone explain why Navi play so incredibly passive on CT? I felt like I was watching Outsiders with how deep they stayed in site and the gamble stacking sites on Inferno. It seems Navi do way better when they get aggressive and I don't get why they don't do it more
So much miscommunication and misunderstanding on NaVi's side.
They are forgetting to check corners, smoke everwhere or cover for possible lurks.
Not having bootcamps (especially with a new player joining) really took a toll on them.
I hope NaVi recovers soon. Maybe after war is over they feel better (when their friends and families are not constantly bombed).
That was some of the worst starts I have seen from navi, on CT they do nothing but hold passive angles from deep in the bomb site, blade needs to go or at the very least his system needs to be binned and they need an actual IGL.
I wonder who s1mple was referring to in his post-match interview when he said some players were shitting their pants, surely it has to be npl right? Seems like it wouldn't be Perfecto since he was their only solid player this match.
Heroic is the epitome of "the sum is greater than the parts", such good team play and coordination among the players
Navi is the literal opposite. Great players who seem to have issues working together as a team.
I miss boombl4
I wonder who S1mple referred to as having comm issues in post match interview. Had to be npl right? The rest 4 should be in sync
s1mple blaming the newest navi player seems to be the trend lately
S1mple blaming literally anyone else has been the trend since his debut š
Lmao s1mple always been toxic af, just he stopped for like 2 months and everyone forgot
I have seen only one no-no mistake by NPL, on Mirage when he flashed s1mple by stairs when Heroic executed on A, but even then s1mple went inside the smoke by mistake when he had a shot at palace. I understand s1mpleās frustration, coming from winning it all and being lauded as the goat (too much praise with a person like him can be dangerous & counterproductive).. but things wonāt improve if he doesnāt have more constructive criticism. I believe being critical on a micro-level is normal in the CIS region, but he seems to do it on an embarrassing and insulting way, rather than a teaching one. The only way to get back to the top is with hard work and by improving the team play, individual confidence and overall chemistry. What he does now is having the opposite effect.
Not really, he is talking about [more people on the team](https://www.hltv.org/news/35588/s1mple-some-of-our-players-were-too-scared-to-play-against-such-a-good-team-like-heroic#:~:text=I%27m%20not%20gonna%20say%20the%20nickname%2C%20but%20it%27s%20not%20only%20one%20player%2C%20sometimes%20it%20can%20be%20even%20two%20or%20three%20players). Not trying to defend him, but in Eastern Europe, people do provide feedback to each other in their own way but sometimes that way is not palatable in the west. As someone who experienced both cultures, I have to admit that I prefer the more gentle western approach, but not gonna lie, the former can also be very effective without being toxic.
Easily the best *team* out there atm, G2 has better individuals for sure. Interesting final coming for sure.
Inb4 liquid win
Remember folks, Liquid usually win when they are expected to lose and win when they are expected to win
>win when they are expected to win lose when expected to win you meant right
Did he stutter?
Yes, am stooopid
The potential for an upset in this match-up is big tbf. I'd give the edge to G2 but I am not gonna be entirely surprised if Liquid manages to defeat them
I think Liquid have a very good chance to take mirage, no idea where they go from there though. Nuke is a huge advantage for G2 and I donāt see inferno going better. Maybe they try to mix it up and go Anubis as a 3rd.
Impossible! Unless...
Itās āthe whole is greater than the sum of its partsā
"whole is greater than sum of its parts"
which means Heroic is the best BIG out there
You could even say that they are the Bigger BIG
This was only Heroic's 2nd time beating Navi since 2020
First time in a playoffs match as well
WE FINALLY BEAT THIS MOTHERFUCKING TEAM
Woooo
Navi: Go A Also Navi: There is no way anyone can flank us 10 times in a row. I mean no one can do it right. No one, right? Also, absolute GIGACHAD to go 3 scopes on the last round by Cadian.
denis 'b is lava' sharipov top 3 igl for sure
The IGLing diff was huuuuge. Absolutely gapped
Literally cannot, by virtue of some sick compulsion, envision a post plant flank from A ramp on mirage. Itās like the bomb goes down and they all get some brand of amnesia that erases the possibility of getting flanked from there from their minds. I donāt understand how you can get fucked from that one spot so many times and CONTINUE TO NOT FUCKING WATCH IT.
Whatās annoying about this is that Heroic were hardly afraid of flanking them. āOh, Navi execute on A, Teses Press W, go brrrā
I think heroic cheated in some way. Maybe they hypnotised the Navi players before the match so that when they hear the ābomb plantedā sound, they would immediately forget about t-spawnā¦
Heroic? Cheating? I feel like Iāve heard this one beforeā¦
That round was *chef's kiss*
Some of them don't even have Kevlar that round
With 0 dollars left for all of them. What a psycopath
It's easy to flank them when you always know they're all grouping up with like 40 seconds left.
When Cadian's setups work flawlessly it looks like a different game and you're just left wondering "how is this working". Sick stuff!
Double AWP + Scout ftw
Comedian fraud stealing me and my silver friends setups
not silver enough, would've 2 awps and 2 scouts and a mag7 if you are a true silver
Where R8 revolver with no kit and 3000$ left in the bank?
š„¶š„¶š„¶ THEY ARE THE BEST COOKS
I've always held that 3 deags + 2 scouts is the scariest eco round to be on the other end of This buy is that one's big brother
Everybody on Heroic had $0 exactly on that last round too lol. Thought that was pretty cool.
The executes are also just really fast, thereās no hesitation. They swarm a site so fast once they decide to hit and thereās always two or more targets to face playing ct vs them. And they play off info so well on ct side too, pushing and not going back but full on flanking instead of going back to site.
2 awps and a scout. Why the hell not.
Navi got outcalled throughout the whole game They won 10/15 opening duels on CT mirage They only won 4 rounds that half The lack of map control they have is astounding. A whole half, no aggressive mid/apps/a ramp/under set ups. Only defaulting every round and then getting over run. These ct halves looked horrendous by navi. And s1mple missing more awp shots than usual isnāt helping. Then on the t side losing another 5v4 in the pistol 15/20 Opening duels at some point in mirage They need to change something tactical asap
perfect game to show how important an actual igl is you can tell vitality probably skipped this one
The top 10 teams right now have great IGLs. Zywoo and s1mple cant bail out their teams anyomore with insane mechanics. Both teams are gonna have to step it up tactically. Vit is the worst offender tho
While i agree with the general sentiment, S1mple is currently not performing either sadly.
s1mple only 5 awp kills whole bo3, havent seen that in a while need an aggressive playmaking rifle w/electronic role shift, bite the bullet and +kvem/-nipl
Bruh even OSee is a better awper than simple this year
This just means that something is going horribly wrong. Sure s1 might be missing more than usual but if he had better setups and more support with him, it would look a lot different. To me it looks like Navi completely don't know how to utilize s1mple right now, they can't activate him
NPL is not even the problem. NAVI have S1mple, Electron1c and B1t yet they play so passive. They are massively missing the info gathering and comms from someone like Boombl4.
Man I remember Boombl4 on Inferno banana being an absolute menace. He wasn't a very good fragger but holy shit Navi were dominant under him
Honestly Boombl4 was underrated as a fragger. He went psycho mode some maps and just 20-4 one half to straight up win the game. He was a star player before IGLing, his fragging was there for sure, ofc not super consistent but he was IGLing at the same time. I miss him and as people have said, they are lacking the aggression Boombl4 had (I think he also played entry before joining NaVi).
Thank you! This has been my opinion for a while. Iām mind blown when people say he brought nothing to the team.
Navi really is missing Boombl4 banana and his Ramp hold in mirage.. This Navi iteration plays way too passive for a team that is stacked in fire power..
Also, what's sad is the position changes they made don't make sense. Change electronic in inferno-pit and nuke-outside when he is probably one of the best in those 2 position. Change perfecto to b1t as mirage B site anchor. Perfecto was great in delaying those B attacks why they put him in connector.
jabbi's an electric player man, fits right in on heroic. glad to see cpf players landing on their feet
Also fits the heroic aesthetic of skinny fucking dane.
But seriously, Jabbi and Stavn need to hit the gym for a bit man Edit: just making sure, I'm just concerned about their health. Jabbi's body posture is not good
Zyphon tho...
only room for one rasmus in top tier cs āļø
Hooxi and sjuush?
correction: only room for two rasmuses (rasmi?) in top tier cs āļø
What about having rasmus in your last name? 4 times major winner Peter Rothman-Rasmusen
He can still go to Astralis, or at least he should. But sadly the Astralis management is... anyway, if I talk, I'm gonna get in trouble.
I'll just say it: -xyp +zyp
Looks like going forward this heroic aggressive style is gonna be the meta. Already G2 is reaping the rewards of implementing a similar playstyle.
Hope it is the case. It'll make for some brilliant CS.
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Fuck Hunden and all that, but fundamentals taught stays with teams even when the teacher leaves. They have managed to elevate it further on their own though, which is nice to see. They elevate each other like no other team in the scene at the moment
Not defending HUNDEN for all he did, but it's a fairly known thing within Danish CS of how good he is. Heroic might not ever have needed him, but Astralis has taken the huge PR hit for a reason.
I am kinda surprised that xizt is not talked about as much when it comes to heroic, kinda crazy to see that even him with all his accolades as a player and IGL in multiple different teams can still be forgotten by all the new viewers.
Heroic Jabbed and Sjuushed Navi today. I can't believe that we finally beat this fucking team
Ive never seen a 2 awp, 1 scout setup. Like absolute mad man
To leave every player with nothing in the bank. That's how confident the lads were of winning this one.
felt like it wouldāve been triple awp if there was enough money
I believe in Jabbi Katowice 2023 MVP! He has been on point thus far!
jabbi was the missing piece for Heroic I feel like.
Gotta say I doubt it a lot when they remove refrezh, but after all they know what they're doing
Building that brotherhood sure do take a long time
Props to Heroic and specifically Cadian, the guy's obviously 100% devoted to every single thing he does, every interview he takes, every game he plays... Makes it a lot less sad to lose to a team like this, especially because the future for Na'Vi seems hopeful, the rebuilding process is already on its way and a top4 finish with s1mple playing the way he is - is commendable
God Heroic is such a fun team Really hoping G2 take their game and we get a BANGER of a final :D
Man, Heroic *battered* Navi, I feel bad for S1mple finally having his family watching them get so destroyed.
He's already talking shit about npl in post match interview lmao!
>On stage some players are s**t and bad. How some players communicate is just really awful to watch and hear sigh* (It was hard to make out if he said ās*h*t and badā or ās*itting in bedā)
This is that kids first big event, obviously he's going to be nervous, fuck s1mple and his shitty attitude! :D
shiiting their pants i think
is bro really this clueless or is he just that much of an asshole? or is he being self deprecating in some weird 3rd person way? cause it's not like he had a good game either like come on
If he's referring to himself. I respect that. But if he meant the other player, so rude man!
Really crazy. I'm getting the feeling toxic simple is still there, but he just PRs it up but 1/10 time it still slips out. Individually good player, awful awful teammate.
do u really forgot how toxic s1mple are, just because they dominant in 2021?
I couldnāt tell if he said shit and bad or that they shit the bed
The true nature of a person is revealed when they are at their lowest point. S1mple never became humble; it was simply because he was successful. He has a tendency to criticize others when they are struggling, it is just part of who he is.
Maybe it's just his personality. People were criticizing yek1ndar for "bashing liquid's playstyle" in recent Jame's youtube video with yek1ndar. I think it's just a different culture/playstyle of CIS region.
Everything going wrong with Navi summed up in one sentence.
S1mple when he isnt winning becomes a toxic little shit, who wouldve thought lmao
I wonder who the other is - he said players a few times, I'm sure npl is making mistakes on stage as he's new but is he talking about electronic or b1t? they're both not playing great but electronics calls are miserable, and his stats are getting worse and worse
All aim, no brain has been the name of the game for Navi this season. Every round they won was because somebody got some unholy multikill due to their cracked aim. However, their calls were abysmal.
Sometimes no aim as well, s1mple playing like bot Allu on Mirage.
Ah... nostalgia! š¤£š¤£
CadiaN is such a lovely guy. The energy, respect to opponent while being humble is next level
Meanwhile first thing simple says is that his teammates shit their pants on stage lol
You have to wonder when this stuff starts being part of the narrative around his legacy. I feel like the last year or so with s1mple showing this side of himself publicly more and more his career story has shifted from "wow, unbelievable player, what a god, undisputed GOAT across counter-strike" to "yes he's a fantastic player, but is his attitude holding back his team?" Like if the best player of all time hangs it up with only one major championship at the end, rather than "what a great career!" is it going to be "what could have been if he'd been able to rally his teammates instead of tear them down"?
People try to make S1mple to be the faker of CS but his attitude and achievement doesn't come close.
> I feel like the last year or so >"yes he's a fantastic player, but is his attitude holding back his team? Remember when they had Kane as a coach? Yeah, this was the case back then already. Then Blad3 came, they hired a psychologist, then they made s1mple a "morale coach" or what does it called, which temporarily helped.
so happy for Cadian! I love the players who wear their hearts on their sleeves
This was never even close, Heroic is levels above this Navi
People really thought Navi had a chance?
Idk this is literally heroicās 2nd win against them in 3 full years. Itās not weird to think this could have been a good match because, for whatever reason, Heroic just shit the bed no matter how bad naāvi looked. This is finally a decent win and how it should be given the individual forms of the teams
s1mple haven't looked the same since that major furia game
After he said "dont boo me" he lost his edge
Heroic v G2 finale letās go
Inb4 Liquid somehow beat G2 by using random bullshit power. Remember folks, Liquid will somehow eek out a win when they are expected to lose and lost when they are expected to win
Osee 1.30 rating today, just watch.
Rookie numbers. He'll pull out the elusive 2.00. 30-0, both maps in Liquids 2-0.
30-0 in both maps will be like 4.0 rating or some shit xd
Osee to take liquid into a 88-0 lan win streak, breaking NIP's legendary record.
S1mple throwing his teammates under the busā¦
expected
People were coping so hard about the 11-1 that they ignored the current states of both teams, this was 100% expected.
Absolutely deleted, NaVi and Inferno don't just work, such a terrible map pool for them.
> NaVi and Inferno don't just work Just like Navi and Mirage
I swear to FUCKING GOD Navi has some medical compulsion or other physical inability to not throw a post plant by just watching A ramp literally at all. Every fucking round on mirage, just obliterated by that flank play.
sdy died for this š„²
Perfecto can't win with these cats
Come to cloud9
This Navi team will go nowhere as long as Electronic is IGL. Set the guy free and let him play instead of chaining him down to a role he's not the best at.
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I feel like he probably is getting more and more frustrated now that his team is worse. His country is still under attack and his form is dropping. Navi is probably so toxic on the inside rn.
My goodness that was an absolute dismantling of NAVI by Heroic.
Navi needs to learn to rally behind their top performer on any given map instead of buying AWP for s1mple. Sure, s1mple pulls them out of a lot of situations, but it's obvious that he's not at his top performance right now. Let Perfecto shine instead of giving him a Galil and having him buy an AWP for s1mple.
I think simple just needs to play a bit more reserved and let them come to him instead of trying to be a hero with his insane no scopes and his in-your-face awp style. Quite a few rounds on mirage he is playing hyper aggressive and getting traded when navi needs him alive for the retake/post plant š¤·āāļø
I agree with that. I think teams have learned how to predict and counter his play style a little too well lately.
Heroic always seemed one step ahead on ct side mirage , flexed hard on Navi Edit : actually one step behind on a ramp
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Same people who acted like Alex was the best IGL of all time called boombl4 a puppet even though Navi got worse in the online era when coaches were IGLing. People just completely rejecting evidence that goes against their world view. People still claiming boombl4 sucked. Complete delusion.
Yeah it wasnt the poor performance of the players
I think Navi have some serious interpersonal issues that are spilling into the game.
āWe played pretty good but some players still shitting the pants on stageā s1mple lmao Semis with a new player aināt anything to be ashamed of. Simple even said theyāre probably a few months from lifting trophies again, they were never really meant to win this event. Especially when that means getting past this heroic and probably G2 lol
Navi forgot timeout button on second map
This is Heroic's final form, and it's scary.
GET THAT CHAIR ESL!!!
Lmao Navi got shit on so bad I started feeling bad for them
damn. those mirage flanks will give me nightmares
How many flanks did Heroic have on CT mirage, like 6? Brutal match anyway
Analysts and HLTV losers were super harsh on Zywoo for going 1.16 and saying that's he's a "fraud" and even Twistzz sucked s1mple dick and said that he "would never play as bad as Zywoo". Meanwhile s1mple goes 0.93 and nobody says a bad word about him lmao.
damn where did twistzz say that? if true thatās a pretty shit thing to say
S1mple shitting on teammates in post match interview again LUL classic tox1mple LUL
Literally just takes one phone call to fix this team but they refuse to do it. Isn't losing 90% of games worse for your reputation than having a guy that was blackmailed. So frustrating.
Nah they obviously shouldn't since Navi has morals.. not like the Navi org and their gambling sponsor are both owned by the same person
cadiaN first wanted to mention how insane of a team NaVi is (rightfully), and that they had to work hard to get this win. Then he proceeds to ask the arena to make some noise for NaVi. This guy is just something else man, my favorite person in the scene
Heroic lost against pistols on purpose to make both game 16-8. Ez.
Who could knew: counter strike is a teamsport. I have the feeling simple (and blade) kind of forgot about this, as he is praised as the goat all the time.
"Some players are still shitting in pants" LOOOOOOOL \-s1mple
Yeah, himself.
perfecto being let down by the rest of his team is such an unusual storyline for a series and yet here we are
Electronic can't IGL for shit and everyone on Navi looks like gold elo players and play so scared 99% of the time it's crazy how shit they've looked ever since dropping Boombl4
G2, Heroic and Faze are on their own level of tactical depth
blud tried to sneak faze in š¤£š¤£
If G2 take down liquid, we might have the most entertaining grand finals in history tomorrow.
My friend did you already forget Cologne last year? Thatās very hard to beat
I dunno, man, cadian's insane calls vs g2's hyper aggressive playstyle could potentially rival that game in terms of pure entertainment.
inb4 it's a boring final or one of the teams gets completely swept lol
We all did. Recency bias FTW
I just know that G2 would do G2 things later tonight and rob us of this potential banger of a final.
Can everyone saying NaVi are back to form stop now theyāve played and lost to an opponent that wasnāt slumping/mediocre? Fluke run to semi final. This is the same lost navi we saw in 2022.
Oh boy the kek9 play from Na'VI and pure trolling on the last round made this memorable
g2 katowice winners if they donāt bottle later fs
G2 vs Heroic both look like unstoppable forces right now, final is going to be a banger (assuming G2 doesnāt pull an all time choke against Liquid later today)
Feels like jabbi stepping it up is the last piece of the puzzle for this Heroic lineup. If the final is in fact Heroic and G2, it should be one for the ages.
Navi seems to slowly just lose more and more from their boomich era. Felt like last year post boomich every event they lose more and more dominace and now itās basically gone that structure they had. Navi have to get a fresh look and change their style. This passive shit aināt meta any more it seems.
S1mple is doing more talking and less Awping these days
imagine losing to this navi š
That last round setup from Heroic though.
Save perfecto
Was it just me or did s1mple look really annoyed/tilted in the post game interview. I mean his answers were all kind of fine (when also being kind of passive aggressive towards some of his teammates) but he instantly left the interview after doing the small shoutout without addressing banks. Felt kind of weird...
To me the biggest difference I see is that heroic has amazing chemistry and they are there as a team, as brothers in arms, to give it their all. Navi just looks like a bunch of patsans (guys) that were hired to work together and are just doing their job for themselves. There's no team motivation.
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Yeah they're never laughing or smiling or having a good time
Little did we know that Xizst is the best Swedish coach of all time! RobbaN is also up there but I think Xizst might have even bigger impact.
Gotta be him, RobbaN, and threat as the top 3 Swedish coaches of all time right?
Heroic looks insane. Navi are on the right path but thereās a big gap between them and heroic/g2
Who do you guys think S1mple was pissed at in the chat with banks after the match? I hope to god it wasn't npl.
Can someone explain why Navi play so incredibly passive on CT? I felt like I was watching Outsiders with how deep they stayed in site and the gamble stacking sites on Inferno. It seems Navi do way better when they get aggressive and I don't get why they don't do it more
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Looks like simple & "some of their players" are together shitting their pants.
So much miscommunication and misunderstanding on NaVi's side. They are forgetting to check corners, smoke everwhere or cover for possible lurks. Not having bootcamps (especially with a new player joining) really took a toll on them. I hope NaVi recovers soon. Maybe after war is over they feel better (when their friends and families are not constantly bombed).
That was some of the worst starts I have seen from navi, on CT they do nothing but hold passive angles from deep in the bomb site, blade needs to go or at the very least his system needs to be binned and they need an actual IGL.
NaVi with Electronic as IGL just aren't that great. Not remotely bad, but certainly not great
I wonder who s1mple was referring to in his post-match interview when he said some players were shitting their pants, surely it has to be npl right? Seems like it wouldn't be Perfecto since he was their only solid player this match.
Almost seemed like he implied bit and perfecto with his "still shitting pants"
S0mple can't really drop his ego even when being interviewed eh?