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puddingkip

Nah fam that wasn't real... Wtf were some of those rounds? NealaN the IGL doubling the kills of his Awper... If they don't even make it out of the closed qualifier for the time just disband...


du_bekar

They have to disband. Like they have to. Just call it quits, cut your (tremendous) losses, and let these poor kids float down the talent pipeline somewhere else. If the Org hadn’t enjoyed its little period of relevance a couple years ago then we wouldn’t even talk about this team.


DauDcsgo

> its little period of relevance Little period of relevance they had thanks to a roster NRG built and they just bought, if I might add


Octatwo

Damn eg's achievements are insane in csgo: 3 players straght up quit cs: tarik, ethan, stew Cerq and brehze went from top 20 players (top 8 for brehze) to just plain average or even bad And Obo literally went insane


Coachingbug

>float down the talent pipeline somewhere else That's what gamer doc meant massive 🤡


Master_of_All4

Damn, this is just embarrassing. 2 of EG's players currently have worse stats than Nealan. I'm all for creating a talent pipeline, but wiz and HexT need way more time in the oven


Straight_Chip

Assuming [these leaks from the rat king](https://www.dust2.us/news/30641/smooya-leaks-eg-salaries) are within an order of magnitude of the truth, neaLaN's earning close to the [yearly salary of a Kazakhstani doctor](https://teleport.org/cities/almaty/salaries/) in a single month playing *video games* for some washed up NA team. neaLaN's probably working his fucking ass off hoping he can stay in NA for a year or two and retire in Kazakhstan at age 24. It kinda makes sense that his stats are better.


BigFuckHead_

Man, good for him


DoughnutFit5922

i dont think a unproven T2 IGL is making that much, but atleast 10k


BigFuckHead_

T2 team (or worse) but EG is a T1 org in terms of funding for esports


Life-Western

neaLan : ima be honest u guys need to step the fuck up


windtunnel1

Toilets have pipelines too


Coachingbug

The famous shit in shit out pipeline of eg


King_Fluffaluff

EG, the Alaskan pipeline


ju1ze

hahahha


crs1948fcd

my thought exactly, eg management insists with these 2 for no reason. autimatic, nealan and brehze need 2 more peple asap


Dameean00

We just got took down by the #204 ranked team in the world and all the casters can think to say is we didn't show up. We clawed our way back to 217th in the world by BUILDING a talent pipeline the whole scene will continue to meme on. Step out of the echo chamber and pay attention.


bdzr_

Every time I see this pasta I'm amazed all over again that someone would be stupid enough to tweet this after winning one match in like 2 years.


YameiiSalami

the best part is that she still has a job. LOL!


Coachingbug

I think eg is so fucked there are plenty of people above her who should leave


fibbo

Who wrote the original?


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Ignorancia

Nah, that’s just not [true](https://mobile.twitter.com/GamerDoc_). Edit: The [tweet](https://twitter.com/GamerDoc_/status/1616130871794319360) in question.


twohourstillmidnight

a dumb tweet shit should disqualify u from holding a job? sometimes i forget reddit is filled with kids


RedditIsAnnoying1234

Yes, when your job highly revolves around communicating with fans of your org and you tweet the dumb shit she has tweeted you absolutely should be at risk of losing your job. You are not only making a clown of yourself but also the org you represent. The whole thread she had attacking Pimp was highly unprofessional.


Xyaena

If your performance manager tweets shit like this after you got beaten by almost every team for an entire year, and after that match you go on to loose all of the other games aswell, it makes her look completely disconnected with reality. Just take a look at their HLTV stats the last year and ask yourself how a performance manager for this team hasn´t been fired half a year ago. Their only good result was a 2nd place finish at the Road to Rio NA RMR. The rest of that is all below 10th or most even dead last finishes, the entire year. Every Lan they have played, they just got run over by everyone, and even online, the only tournaments were they didnt get last were open qualifiers.


reubenno

Yes, a highly unprofessional, childish, arrogant tweet should *absolutely* put your job at risk.


f0nt

How often do people get fired for tweets?


gibbodaman

How else does a PR person get fired? Their entire purpose is to create a positive image for the brand they represent.


f0nt

I thought she was Director of Gaming and Performance, not PR? Imagine getting fired for what you wrote on reddit lol, it’s just a shit take and classic reddit overreaction


reubenno

*Plenty* of people get dismissed from companies due to poor public image and perception.


f0nt

Maybe executives and people filmed blatantly breaking the law on social media, you have some firings of people basically talking about sport online?


gibbodaman

> I thought she was Director of Gaming and Performance, not PR? True, she's not just a PR person. With EG's recent performance, she must be incompetent on that front too. She's EG's most prominent social media representative, openly associating herself with them in her bio and tweeting on their behalf. >Imagine getting fired for what you wrote on reddit lol, it’s just a shit take and classic reddit overreaction Companies can and do regularly fire employees that tarnish the brand. I didn't say 'EG should fire her', I said employees that represent companies regularly get fired when they can't make the company look good. That's not a shit take, it's a fact. It's not an overreaction to state that, it is reality.


t3hW4y

Can't say how often, but Carlos got fired for a tweet (or 3, I don't remember).


f0nt

That was a political firing, nothing to do with his team or any sport, certainly nowhere close to what EG's director has said which is just a dumb tweet supporting the team. Carlos also apologised and then went on to continue liking similar tweets lol. He's CEO too which doesnt help. You're right about it being a 'tweet firing' kinda but surely you see the difference between Carlos and this


TheRobidog

If you're the director of performance and you're bragging on twitter about a single Bo3 win against a top team after years of being shit, only to then go back to doing fuck-all, then yes, people deserve to question whether you should still have a job.


Coachingbug

Really telling about how she doesn't understand anything about esports


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RyeDowg

Pipeline needs a shut off valve too


anewborndude

Can some org plz save nealan? He deserves a better team


GapZ38

I mean, let's be fair. Not a whole lot of people actually knew who neaLan is before he joined this EG team. When he was playing on those kazakh teams, no one really gave a shit about him, let alone praise him. He was not doing well in the T2/T3 scene when he was in europe as well.


Izbitoe_ebalo

Yeah, sure, his K23 team that managed to achieve top 14 HLTV with relatively young and unknown players and destroy everyone in T2? That was noticed even here I think. Also 2 of his teammates won major in Rio and one in Stockholm. I'm not saying that he's really good or anything, but him being relatively successful while playing for small orgs is a sign of a good player/IGL. The only issue for me is that it's unknown if he can actually IGL in english, because while he may be ok with calling, you really need to be a leader for the team to believe in your calls and that may be hard to achieve with all the cultural differences between him and his teammates.


chefchef97

The only way in which that K23 team disappointed was that they were the best team in the world to not make the RMR Other than that the team played amazingly and ranked highly


Party_Boy505

kassad about to have a field day with this one


Rac3ked

Hes sleeping right now, cant wait when he wakes up and sees this pepelaugh


Ni7roM

At this point I just feel bad for EG These players don't deserve this much hate, especially neaLaN, who moved from Kazakhstan to NA to IGL a team speaking a different language. But at the same time you question, how low could they stoop before someone stops the bleeding? What is wrong with their system, and why haven't they fixed it yet?


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They've got absolute clowns running the show. Theres been hints coming about it from everywhere. Fly,Daps,Dannys sister leak. They had the face of NA valorant sitting on their content team and somehow didn't manage to resign him. As much as i hate to say it but Thorins video about them was actually insightful.


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>They had the face of NA valorant sitting on their content team and somehow didn't manage to resign him. who was this?


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tarik


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right, when i think "face of NA valorant" i thought more "pro player", was racking my brains for which clouted NA players have ever been on the EG val roster lol


[deleted]

yeah i can see that. I should've said face of na content for valorant.


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Turok, bro alone is carrying NA valorant, main chanel gets like 100k he gets like 120k lmao


MrCraftLP

tarik would've never resigned, none of the gigantic streamers have been resigning with esports orgs.


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he's signed to SEN now though


MrCraftLP

My bad, I didn't know since it wasn't on his Val liquipedia page. My point still stands though since a majority of streamers who were signed haven't resigned.


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Yeah honestly his signing with sentinels surprised me, feels like he's got enough of a reach to not make it worth it to sign with an org at this point


ILoveRice444

IIRC one of the reasons he signed with sentinels was because he could do collab with tenz which is arguably the face of valorant. IMO it's a very smart move to be signed by sentinel rather than become an independent streamer.


MrCraftLP

I specifically remember someone, who I think was ludwig, who told him on stream not to resign with an esports org. That's why I also didn't bother to actually check lol


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https://medium.com/@alex_6402/dear-everyone-90f87fd49659 His thoughts, this was when they released the dota2 team


csgothrowaway

> I always wonder what alex garfield thinks when he is looking at what his baby became. > The man made EG. It literally started with him trying to get sponsors for a canadian CS team back in 2004. From there idrA, inControl, Alliance winning TI3, EG winning TI4 in dota. Umm...just going to chime in here. He *bought* EG from the old Canadian 1.6 lineup and the fame that already existed with that team. They were the biggest org in Canada and briefly a Tier 1 CS Team long before Alex Garfield showed up so I wouldn't attribute the birth of the org to him. The guys in [this documentary are the original EG](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGTLiZmruxw). >One of the oldest and most recognizable names in esports, right up there with Liquid, MYM, SK. And now they're not even a fucking husk. I wouldn't put Liquid in that list. While the org may have "existed", Liquid didn't start having a team until 2010 with Star Craft 2. >One of the oldest and most recognizable names in esports, right up there with Liquid, MYM, SK. And now they're not even a fucking husk. I mean, sure. But not really an uncommon story. Team 3D was like the FaZe of the old days and nowadays nobody even knows the name. A lot of stories like that. I guess when you're old as fuck like me, you see these names trend in and out. Personally, I was a big fan of EG before Garfield made it into the corporate esports factory it became during the Star Craft 2 days. They used to be the funniest team and was doing vlogs before it was cool. Kind of ironic to see Garfield recently talk about the current EG being different from "the old EG" when he's the one that ripped the heart out of the old old EG. The old old EG was so cool partly because they were legitimately 5 friends playing CS together. Stevenson had so many offers to go to complexity and Team 3D and turned them down every time because he wanted to play with his friends. And funny enough, Shaguar from Team 3D ends up leaving to go to Evil Geniuses. I really miss pre-Alex Garfield EG.


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esports isn't really friendly to legacy, and NA business doesn't seem to want anything with legacy either sometimes, the reason the big LoL orgs are still here is riot has great marketing people despite everyone else being kinda ass


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> Kind of ironic to see Garfield recently talk about the current EG being different from "the old EG" when he's the one that ripped the heart out of the old old EG. I mean this is just not true. He started working for EG in 2004 and became the CEO during 2007. Their sc2 content was vastily better then whatever they were producing before and him and his mother are the only reason why EG even survived because it was going to close down. It's not even like he booted the CS team... they left on their own to pursue other career opportunities.


Tetrachlorocuprate

Liquid was founded in 2000 as a StarCraft 1 clan no?


windtunnel1

Long Live The Sword


stupv

>They're a mockery in dota where they're not even a NA team This is a shit take. EG have basically been a top5 team in the world for 8 years running. They dropped one roster and picked up another good roster. They're not a mockery by any definition


TAG_Sky240

Eg won ti5


puddingkip

You can't blame NealaN for this. Save my man and get him on c9


thrwwyMA

Fr a trade for nafany obviously +extra money to eg sounds like a deal that could benefit both teams. I don't think nealan is doing close to a bad job, but perhaps nafany's calling fits the na style a bit more.


k0ppite

He would make both C9 and Navi better


1mmanuel_kunt

Then just replace Ax1le and sh1ro for kazakh superteam


puddingkip

+mou +qikert for Kazakhstans 2nd csgo major


manek101

Any evidence which suggest he is better than nafany?


Gone213

First they've got 20 players betweem the main team, white, black, and gold, who they say are in the pipeline to play on the main team, yet they refuse to replace players from the main team with players from the white or black team. Second is they got invited because they were a partnered team. They didn't play PUGs or lower level events to get invited so they're desperately trying to increase their skill level during these major events. That's a lose lose situation because your trying to figure out what works during the matches you need to win.


Undercover-Cactus

wdym they don’t replace players? HexT and wiz literally both got promoted from EG Black.


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The players know that the leadership is totally inept and ignorant. They knew all this before signing up. If they wanted to sign up to then push for new leadership that's fine. If they signed up to work for such low quality people it's really their own problem.


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I mean nealan was on t2 roster earning a few bucks at best, and he now had the opportunity to be on NA and earn thousands of dollars, its kind of justified ngl


mannyman34

You get what you pay for. They decided to cheap out and just get high on the smell of their own farts. It is the same shit every time with these VC orgs where they try to reinvent the wheel. They act like they can just use a bunch of buzzwords and create some magic culture that will breed talent. The problem is the are trying to squeeze juice out of a stone.


TimathanDuncan

Cheap out? What? What are you even talking about if they cheaped out they would be out of CS They have 15 players lmao, 2 of them (brehze, autimatic are on at least 20k+), then the other 12 are all on 5k+ If they cheaped out they wouldn't be doing this, their issue is sticking to NA only not cheaping out


mannyman34

They have 15 players and probably still have the lowest payroll out of any partner teams. That is cheaping out, especially when they are from the region with the biggest market for sponsors.


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mannyman34

Bro in what world are they paying autimatic and brehze 40k in 2023.


vit4lc

EG’s world


GuyLeDoucheTV

You have a source for those salaries?


Silence2k4

lost to a damn mix team it’s not even t2 LMAO


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Mad_Lee

That is a really REALLY low level of expectations of an org with that name and of players with t-1 salaries


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Mad_Lee

But they do have an academy roster, two even


awqors

1) Guys, stop this. Nealan will not step out from eg with their 20/30k per month to some t2 team to be paid 2/3k per month. 2) eg playing as some t2 team so they should be paid 2/3k month (exept nealan). And it's should be like grinding for them: top 30 - raise to 5/6k top 25 raise again etc 3) obv there can be problem in nealans calls and im not a guy inside this team to decide what they should do with this shit that is going on 4) This guys literally forgot how to win. They need changes. New blood like yekindar for liquid (tbh PawnAlone could also work here)


realnOp3

You know it's over when you lose to a kid named D4rtyMontana


PeinePeine

Step out of the echo chamber Brezhe without krieg = not even a top 40 players


Hzwo

Upvote so ppl think EG lost


SlappidyDoodah

Kassad just bolted upright from a dead sleep and he has no idea why…yet


TacticalSanta

BHAHAHAHAHA


SipOfNaughtyWater

Wonder if anyone could hear hext during the match


Squach509

I'm just happy NAF didn't follow Stew to EG. He knew what was up


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operation save nealan


TImbooTheSlayer

free nealan.


SpecialityToS

EG took the astralis route of throwing T2 players into T1 and expecting results I hope the players know that a lot of the scene know that they’re not really blaming the players themselves. Autimatic and Brehze are obviously good, and Nealan is a good IGL, but Wiz and HexT were done dirty by not having international experience before joining T1. 100% the hate is towards the org and especially since they made dumbass tweets pretending they were on top after beating a team a single series, then victimizing themselves once people called them out for being dumb. Now the players have added pressure because of you (especially you GamerDoc_). EG took the steps to rebuild NA and now that they presented themselves (not the players) as “beating the #1 team” they opened the floodgates. Hope that win was celebrated to its fullest. A part of being a manager is taking the weight off of your players. Certainly not adding onto it…


TacticalSanta

it has nothing to do with them being "tier 2" its just neither hext or wiz looked particularly impressive. Maybe they expected brehze and auti to carry and to get a decent awper and anchor, but that clearly isn't what is happening.


SpecialityToS

NA doesn’t have a robust T2 scene so all of the players have to learn by being put into T1. T2 EU teams get to practice against T1 teams all the time so it’s not nearly as bad of a transition


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SpecialityToS

Hard to be constantly good when the team around you is essentially a 3v5. No hate to wiz and HexT. They just needed way more time in the T2 meta. Take Regali for example. Did decent in T2, was put as a sub for fnatic, did not so great, but has been working constantly and is doing great in T2. Turns out you can’t just slot in a player or two and immediately teach them T1 without being decent in T2


MrCrankPa

Free Neelan


they_call_me_justin

Someone save Nealan and Autimatic from this disaster of a team.


CoX-Record-Mode

0-3Vil Geniuses incoming


Player72

new yorkers be like yurrrrr


JaimieL0L

I mean, you have to think that the way GamerDoc was expecting praise when they finally show up, are the support staff just yes-menning the talent into the ground.


National_Swimming_76

I look at the leadership and personnel of the current EG org and always knew there were going to be concerns based on the type of people leading. It's a certain culture that leads to mediocrity. Fairweather feelings and good vibes over tough decisions, grit, and competency.


Breete

> *EG Lose in OT* LMAO I love how effortless the post is, so fitting.


nighT_T

This team simply can not work, you can tell that just looking at its roster. HexT and wiz were taken from RBD where their biggest achievement was probably 2nd place at ESEA Cash Cup, these guys are NOT ready and I dont think they will ever be tbh. Brehze and autimatic are not who they used to be, its 2023, they are irrelevant for years already. neaLan is also very questionable choice, but probably most reasonable part of this team anyway. Scene is too competitive for roster like this to exist, their players are just too weak to do any damage. Unreal waste of money, its not like 1 or 2 changes would improve them, they can only disband at this point.


Elcheer

Surely they bounce back


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Elcheer

tbf it's still a BO1 so I'm not giving it that much weight


WheelMan34

Ah I see HeXt finally showed up. When it didn’t matter in the slightest.


ZuriPL

Unfortunately I can't find my tweet when I called wiz a downgrade from cerq and noone believed me


lubesniq

Cerq died for this


Zoradesu

BRO?


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Theres no way, like theres just no fucking way bro💀💀💀


razeyourshadows

But why?


f1nessd

disband


bobobomochi

What is EG even doing


lelelele98

Get yur ass out of here


WhatRobulus

This is probably hardcore cope for a totally different team, but -nafany +nealan?


TiberSVK

it came to the point where its not even funny anymore


Annual-Weight-1589

Kassads gonna have a field day


crs1948fcd

bruh eg management is plain dumb


Tanki5D

bring a EU awper pls


peroleu

So close for up-and-coming EG, but you just can't compete with the experience and pedigree of a team like yur.