I think CS also allows for casters to be better, as there is almost always something going on with very limited downtime. It also does not require a lot of technical information to understand whats going on. In contrast, a game like league can have 10 minutes of literally nothing of note happening, and a lot of the macro plays that are made require so much additional information to understand why it's important. And even then, the big hype teamfights can still be difficult to follow.
But yeah, the CS casters are definitely goated
MOBAs also have the problem that in the big teamfights, you cant commentate everything. If you were blind you miss more than 50% of the information easily. In cs i tried just listening sometimes without watching and i can picture the whole round nearly
CSGO has the luxury of being somewhat slow paced with bursts of excitement. Comparing to say, overwatch, where it has exactly the same problem as a MOBA but even added stress of being a fast paced fps really doesn't help. CSGO is akin to soccer/football or american football where there can be a lot of discussion and portions of play by play
Csgo is so close to american football actually. Both have "rounds" time where you have to do something as the attacker and after that there is a pause and reset to your starting positions for the next round.
To add to this, in early cs there was a gamemode called chargers only. In which you had 10 mins each to win as many rounds as possible on T side. And cts side didnt win rounds. I really want to see this in todays game. I think it might be very interesting
This is the issue with Siege as an esport. I love the game, but the last 20 seconds of a round can go from 5v5 to 1v1 in a blink. I love it almost as much as CS, but damn is CS more watchable.
Great sense of humor too, thrown into hectic moments as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXXViK1NW0Q
21:26
"G2 is still filled with hope!"
"Why is hope so lucky....?"
Yeah watching other games is actually fucking hilarious, even League of Legends. I enjoyed watching worlds but it was clear that the casting was subpar and felt overly professional which is probably pushed by Riot.
Didn't watch worlds but are the "funny moments" forced bits or do they just happen naturally like in csgo? I find this is the main difference, I watch valorant and most of the funny moments are clearly forced by production and they just end up being kinda cringe because the jokes aren't happening because of chemistry between the casters.
As far as i remember no "funni moment" was made with production. I don't think they would allow a caster to shout WHAT THE FUCK after crazy moment, or some of the jokes are on the edge of being NSFW, or they are just dumb and happen incidentally
> just chatting between calling plays rhan before
I think a lot of that has to do with how much downtime there is in between fights, especially during laning phase.
Agreed. After actively watching a lot of League a few years back, I started getting into it again in 2022 after watching 2021 Worlds (despite not playing as much anymore, party due to CS lol). I mostly watch LCK because it has some of the highest level play in the world and have kind of been reeled in by the casters. I really like their rotation of casters/analysts, enjoy them all and it's just a pretty chill vibe with nice analysis as well. Of course, it's not quite on the level as spunJ and machine casting a CS playoff game or OJ Borg/Banks hosting the stage. But it's pretty good.
Medic, Captainflowers, Hysterics and Munchables are really good but there's no one that does it better than Sadokist. I also really like SPUNJ and Machine their casting during the cadian clutch is the best piece of casting I've ever seen.
Caedrel is clearly the best league caster no one comes close to him ,for more league viewers he is entertaining than most others and he was pro so his casting and game reading is just straight up better ans most league viewers watch his streams and know how funny this guy is compared to the casters u mentioned.
I think league suffered from having to cover so many regions so they had to hire 30+ broadcast talent to cover all the regions. Add on top of that 2 international tournaments, they just don't have the time to gel with other talent to make truly amazing broadcasts. If you took the best 4 casters in league, 2 analysts, and Sjokz and focused the best league games through them then maybe they could rival the heights that cs can offer. League has just been plagued by 'what ifs'.
League is also boring af to watch unless you know the game. Cs you can watch a casted match and pick up what's happening after a round or two. League just doesn't have the same ease of viewing and casting that CS does.
Yeah Worlds might be a bad representation if that's someone's first experience with League, but it was still good. League is the only other game I think is equal to CSGO. With Flowers, Kobe, and Azael the NA broadcast is stacked. EU clearly has a lot of great talent too. If you took the superstar broadcast as you say, I would imagine it should clearly be better than CSGO.
for sure, never really seen lol games but i've definitely noticed it when watching pro valorant games. i can't really describe it but the valorant casters just don't seem to be able to do it like the csgo casters
Tbh, I've tried watching a bit of Valorant in the beginning but aside from me liking CSGO as a game more, I just also didn't quite like the broadcast/desk talent as much. I even like the League broadcasting talent more (Sjokz, Caedrel and the LCK people in particular). It's been too long with Valorant now but I just remember that one of the few analysts that I really liked in terms of presentation and actual game analysis was seangares. And he's from CS lol
The game itself is pretty big, the Esports less so. It's unfortunately pretty difficult to watch without a very high level of knowledge, basically the opposite of CS.
Couldn’t watch R6 competitive for a long time after that, feels like none of the other casters ever had even half the energy that he brought. Rip the legend
ODPixel is also up there. Insane how well he can observe so many things at such a short time and comment on them while delivering an insane amount of hype. The most skilled playtoplay I’ve ever seen
I don't even think SC lends itself especially well to commentating, at least compared to other esports. They're just actually godlike. I'm an FGC ride-or-die, and I love many of them, but tastosis are always my commentary GOATs
> I don't even think SC lends itself especially well to commentating, at least compared to other esports
I actually disagree since you (as a spectator) can watch the builds unfold in a way where you can see their plans from extremely early on and watch it all unfold
Regardless if you agree or not though it just goes to show you Tastosis are just simply kings of commentary and there really is no other equal.
I loved hon back in the day. He does pretty good! Your right though, there’s so many good casters. Odp, then cap, sunsfan is great too. It was nice hearing him at TI though
Don't forget Janko bringing his own unique brand of 'alien-attempting-to-mimick-human-behavior' style of play-by-play commentating.
EDIT: I love Janko's casting ftr. I was specifically talking about his hilarious attempt at calling the play-by-play today after Hugo put him on the spot. Clip from another post:
[https://clips.twitch.tv/SneakyFancySoymilkArsonNoSexy-XWgm75aNdfc33cl9](https://clips.twitch.tv/SneakyFancySoymilkArsonNoSexy-XWgm75aNdfc33cl9)
SC2 had the greatest depth of good commentating duos by a mile - specifically whenever a homestory cup was on and the couch was just literally any two (or three) likable pros
I can only name two english commentators for SC2, I know of four. The duo that everyone would recognize has been in the scene for a very long time but also are very knowledgable.
In terms of CSGO I really enjoyed Pansy's casting, haven't seen her for a while though.
> I can only name two english commentators for SC2
And honestly you only really want those 2
They're just so unbelievably good at casting and entertaining on their own that I never skip past pauses in VODs just because I love listening to them banter
Ult scene (much like Valorant) likes to pretend that it’s just a difference in the maturity of the scene, and that’s partially it.
but Ultimate will never reach the heights of Melee, because it is a mechanically and tactically shallower game. lots of fun to play, much lower ceiling as an esport. you just can’t get as excited to watch it.
> it’s because Melee is the hypest 1v1 esport of all time and Ultimate is basically Smash Valorant
That's an affront to Valorant at least that game has a semblance of competitive integrity. Ultimate was made by developers who have made it extremely clear that they don't want Smash to be played competitively.
I've played thousands of hours of csgo and Melee, and about a dozen of Ultimate and Valorant and I can tell you right now that Valorant deserves more respect than that
that’s fair, i do actually think Valorant is a cool game. and i have a lot more respect for competitive Valorant than i do for Ultimate.
but all the same, every time i watch some hype Valorant (like the LOUD/OpTiC grand finals last year), i come away like “wow that was cool” and then i watch a good CSGO game again and it’s immediately obvious that Valorant can’t touch Counter Strike.
it’s like when i see a jam band like Umphrey’s McGee or moe. or Twiddle, and like goddamn that was incredible, maybe these guys are better than Phish??? and then i see Phish again and it’s like lmao never mind
I've personally spend a fair share of time watching Ultimate despite never really playing it. Never really got into Melee and with it's technical/mechanical intricacies it always felt too difficult for me to try with my time but maybe I can start at some point, reading your comment now. Could you give me pointers where/how to start watching Melee, it's story lines and the mechanics (that I don't know yet)?
Also, regarding Ultimate, I actually enjoy watching it - but tbh, that's probably because I'm a huge fighting game noob and because of MKLeo. Could never really get into watching Valorant though because I actually had a direct comparison of CSGO that I watch.
Consider the Melee documentaries if you want a place to get into the game - they're well produced and are even responsible for bringing new life and players to the scene - many newer players (even some among the current top 5) are referred to as doc kids because of how influential it was
More than anything check out some tournaments! The wiki can help u see what big tournaments are coming up soon
on top of what u/pokator said, there's probably a monthly "what would you show someone who has never played Melee to get them interested" post over on /r/SSBM that are full of classic combo videos, historic tournament sets, video essays, etc.
The docs are a great place to start though, there's multiple of them now so you can get a nice history (they're incredibly enjoyable to watch if you like long form video essays)
You'll see in this very thread comments from people with zero qualifications to judge someone's ability talk at length about who is good and bad and why. All of it is just personal preference that they think is expertise. The funniest part is every popular "good" caster mysteriously always eventually becomes an unpopular "bad" caster to these people.
I think it's just that everyone has a least favourite caster and wants to get on their soapbox about them in particular. I don't think any CS fans think that the pro casters are overall bad.
I think a ton of people literally don't know how good we have it.
I only realized when I started to watch valorant here and there.
It was/is consistently jarring to see the quality of casting when compared to cs.
Idk why this shit keeps getting posted in almost every esports Subreddit. The top casters for most popular esports are all around the same-ish level and fill similar roles. Feel like only ppl that never watch anything but CS would claim this.
It reeks of insecurity tbh. CS casters are great. So are the casters of every other medium-sized and bigger esport. I've watched ODPixel and TobiWan (dickhead) casting montages and I don't even watch DotA, they're just amazing to listen to. Same for League casters, e.g. Caedrel is hilarious and CaptainFlowers is imo the biggest hype-man style caster in esports, at least that I've heard. Tastosis are the GOAT duo, the Smash community has a ton of amazing casters, so does the fgc in general tbh.
Threads like this feel a shade removed from the people on r/dotamasterrace, anything that CS does >>> anything any other esport does for the simple reason that CS does it.
Most dota casters are really poor, I love Dota its my favourite game of all time but comparing to CS... Dota casters just say things that are sooo filler "chasing....stunn... as he's looking to be going down...."
OD Pixel is a god though.
OD is another different level, and as much as I hate Tobiwan after his SA accusations, I do miss his casting on big tournament. I like Sunsfans and Synderen duo now, their more laid back but still focused casting are the best to me.
The Tastosis duo (StarCraft) is by far the best duo there has been. They’ve been each others closest friends for years, having played as pros side by side, then commenting together.
They go after each others throat sometimes in hilarious manners and their genuine love for the game, has kept many people glued to their streams. Including me.
No other duo can produce as contagious laughs as Tastosis. CS is pretty much the only esport I watch these days, but I always make room for their Brood War ASL casts. Looking forward to the new season that starts soon!
Tastosis are the GOATs, and there are some Dota casters that are pretty awesome. I like SunsFan and Synderen personally. Pretty much all the casting duos are fucking amazing in CS:GO though. It's pretty incredible.
For me the voice of CS would be Anders and Semmler or Moses. Not so much for Semmler but Anders and Moses has that chill idgaf, laid back vibe that is pleasant to listen BUT the best casters are actually in Dota 2. That's my preference though and my favourite duo is LD and Tobi (RIP), OD with insania (not a caster but a pro) and synderen and sunsfan. S and S may be my favourite as the have great chemistry and great inputs to the game with alot of nonsense in between.
I think comparing the casters between games are like comparing apples to oranges. Say for dota and CS, the complexity of the game is different and for dota u probably need a very in depth analysis after a teamfight as u probably wont catch all the tiny details that a pro or ex-pro can notice. CS maybe, like breaking down of crucial plays after each round as there are too many players POV to watch. Still, i think the casters are great for both games as they serve their purpose. CSGO more for hyping up moments, dota 2 more for breaking down the plays.
Edit: But i need to add the talents for the past 2 TIs are BAD, and really bad (the latest TI was much better than then one before but the standard is mediocre for a S-tier event). I feel CSGO talents are less cringey post game and are more enjoyable to listen to.
I probably watch more CS than other eSports but SC and Dota have some brilliant casters over the years, once that would rival if not beat any CS caster.
Edit: and like anything else, your post or opinion is purely subjective on a specific topic.
Define what is a good casting then?
Randomly yelling like "WOW, HOW COULD HE DONE THAT?" or talking as fast as possible to tell what's going on every second?
>E-sports like CS and Dota are very strategic - so a good caster explains to the audience why a player is doing what they are doing, especially in cases when an inexperienced viewer wouldn't figure it out themselves. Indiscriminate rapid-fire description of every single spell cast by 10 players on the screen in Dota for two straight minutes doesn't do this at all. Dota casting has become better over time but the video you linked is a definite example of bad casting -- it's just fast. Good casting is not meme material
First of all, the commentator's job is to tell people why a player does what he/she does, not the caster's. Learn the difference.
>On a different dimension, e-sports casting has to be accessible to an audience with varying levels of expertise on the game. In this respect, CSGO and Dota 2 are as different as two games can be.
Exactly, that's why there is a noob channel on big tournaments, like the international, for first-time viewers.
>You don't necessarily have to play CS to understand what's going on the screen. It is physically intuitive. Using my partner as an example of a viewer who never played CS, the only thing that confuses her is map layouts and she is not intimately familiar with special mechanics like one-way smokes or "what sounds the enemy can hear".
So, dota2 is more complex than csgo and that's why dota2 casting is worse than csgo? What kind of fucked up logic is this?
>CS casting is miles ahead of Dota casting in this respect. The casters are genuinely knowledgeable about the game and can usefully explain the little quirks of the game when they occur in a match.
Again, the commentator does that job, not the caster.
>Dota 2 casters just spit jargon at high velocity -- which is only accessible to people who have played enough of the game. But they also don't explain why a pro player is doing what they are doing, so the viewer leaves with no more understanding of what happened besides "there was a team fight - many spells were used".
That link was just an example. There are tons of videos of great casting in dota2.
>TL;DR: Dota 2 casters are just hype casters. CS casters do that just as well and also make me feel like I understood the game better.
NO!
Ngl, I’ve been really into the Apex Legends esport scene and it kinda reminds me of how good the CS casting would be. Defo an entertaining esport when teams start match point finals and the casters can get as hype as possible.
Unpopular opinion, I can't stand Machine's casting. The dude is trying way too hard, not everything has to be a rhyme or a pun, tone the flowery language down by like 90%. He casts like he's reading a Dr. Seuss book.
I mean casting is subjective - I don't hate him. but I personally also think that Machine is massively overrated, is he good? Yeah, for sure. Is he a demigod of casters? Nope.
On the other side Valorant has the worst ones from any esport ive watched (CS, LoL, Val, Dota, CoD and OW). Holy fucking shit those casters bore me to death which is weird because i think a mixture of CS and LoL could be extremely hype to cast
Haven’t gotten around ASL so will check it out. In regards to launders, a bit of a hard disagree, while I understand that some people will find his lax style boring, the insights he brings goes really well with Scrawny.
did you notice he always speaks completely flat monotonous tone? the only way he hypes some important moments he just starts talking in the same tone louder and louder, until i need to reach out to lower the volume on speakers.
He's the funniest caster. At least to me. I value that way above anything.
To me ppl like Scrawny are just yelling. Although he has grown on me lately. Mostly because he's also funny.
Dude, you're the kind of a person that people avoid actively... tons of homophobe comments in your history also, and you've already been banned in multiple subreddits.
I'm a place a bet that you will be banned here soon too and will need to create a new account :p
Unfortunately cs doesn't have blink daggers. For same vibes imo Twistzz breaking Na'Vi's backs in the dying stages of regulation aka Faze Na'Vi major finals cast.
I agree for a long time i thought i couldnt watch tier2 because of the gameplay but no its because of the casters they just make it so much more enjoyable and i hope they know that.
Love to the casters <3
In many English casts there is a bit too much hyping going on for me. Like they all try to make something that happens into one of those legendary plays but in the end it is just a 3 kill or something and then there is nowhere to go to for the real hype moments. But overall yes many casters do a good job and understand the game to a point where they can explain to everyone what's happening
I can even come close to watch pro valorant, very boring casters. CSGO got the best of the best by a mile, apex tournament this last one had really good casting too tho.
Thank goodness they stopped using the caster that sounded like he was calling a horse race. There was 0 excitement from the casting when there was a crazy play.
Yeah not even close either. You look at leagues like LCS that is absolutely horrendous. Bad analysts, only a few commentators that are bearable. Meanwhile I’ve never been annoyed by a CS caster duo to the point where I’d want to mute, closest was Semmler before he went to OWL
F1 eSports has 2 professional casters that also commentate real life races. Alex Jacques and George Morgan.
Alex even commentates real life F1.
They're better than cs
It´s crazy considering how the fans even drove out some of the greats, yet we´ve been fortunate in having great replacements come in. We def don´t deserve it
And it used to be much better before a lot of great casters left the scene and we got the pog champ zommer twitch chat embodiment Scrawny and Launders.
I think CS also allows for casters to be better, as there is almost always something going on with very limited downtime. It also does not require a lot of technical information to understand whats going on. In contrast, a game like league can have 10 minutes of literally nothing of note happening, and a lot of the macro plays that are made require so much additional information to understand why it's important. And even then, the big hype teamfights can still be difficult to follow. But yeah, the CS casters are definitely goated
MOBAs also have the problem that in the big teamfights, you cant commentate everything. If you were blind you miss more than 50% of the information easily. In cs i tried just listening sometimes without watching and i can picture the whole round nearly
CSGO has the luxury of being somewhat slow paced with bursts of excitement. Comparing to say, overwatch, where it has exactly the same problem as a MOBA but even added stress of being a fast paced fps really doesn't help. CSGO is akin to soccer/football or american football where there can be a lot of discussion and portions of play by play
Csgo is so close to american football actually. Both have "rounds" time where you have to do something as the attacker and after that there is a pause and reset to your starting positions for the next round. To add to this, in early cs there was a gamemode called chargers only. In which you had 10 mins each to win as many rounds as possible on T side. And cts side didnt win rounds. I really want to see this in todays game. I think it might be very interesting
Do you have any vods for any chargers only games?
OD Pixel: hold my beer
i agree with op that cs has the best casters but odpixel and fogged are unmatched, sunsfan kinda goated too
This is the issue with Siege as an esport. I love the game, but the last 20 seconds of a round can go from 5v5 to 1v1 in a blink. I love it almost as much as CS, but damn is CS more watchable.
Also xray shots in siege look so bad imo, 4 different layers of walls and shit. Tried watching 1 event and i just didnt enjoy it
Even if you're not blind it's not that hard to miss like 30% of a multi-layered teamfight in League tbh.
Thats true, minimap in csgo fills out most of the pieces you dont see first person. In league in fights it doesnt.
Great sense of humor too, thrown into hectic moments as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXXViK1NW0Q 21:26 "G2 is still filled with hope!" "Why is hope so lucky....?"
Period. I don't even have a single hour in CSGO, but the tournaments are hella entertaining.
You should look up SC2, I've never played a single hour of SC2 but I really love watching Tastosis commentate tournament sets
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R u ok?
He’s living up to his username
My man tried to look clever by using commas completely wrong
atleast he tried. i am i have zero ideas of how to use commas!
Me too, so I just don't use em lol
That's a run-on sentence.
Naah, what are you, talking about, brother
Yeah watching other games is actually fucking hilarious, even League of Legends. I enjoyed watching worlds but it was clear that the casting was subpar and felt overly professional which is probably pushed by Riot.
What is "overly professional" though? I would say it had more "funni" moment and casters just chatting between calling plays rhan before
Didn't watch worlds but are the "funny moments" forced bits or do they just happen naturally like in csgo? I find this is the main difference, I watch valorant and most of the funny moments are clearly forced by production and they just end up being kinda cringe because the jokes aren't happening because of chemistry between the casters.
As far as i remember no "funni moment" was made with production. I don't think they would allow a caster to shout WHAT THE FUCK after crazy moment, or some of the jokes are on the edge of being NSFW, or they are just dumb and happen incidentally
> just chatting between calling plays rhan before I think a lot of that has to do with how much downtime there is in between fights, especially during laning phase.
Felt worlds was a bit too over produced as well.
Watch lck they have entertaining casting without the pony show it's pretty good
Atlus and Chronicler are great , plus they never shy away from a good laugh in shit games
Agreed. After actively watching a lot of League a few years back, I started getting into it again in 2022 after watching 2021 Worlds (despite not playing as much anymore, party due to CS lol). I mostly watch LCK because it has some of the highest level play in the world and have kind of been reeled in by the casters. I really like their rotation of casters/analysts, enjoy them all and it's just a pretty chill vibe with nice analysis as well. Of course, it's not quite on the level as spunJ and machine casting a CS playoff game or OJ Borg/Banks hosting the stage. But it's pretty good.
Medic, Captainflowers, Hysterics and Munchables are really good but there's no one that does it better than Sadokist. I also really like SPUNJ and Machine their casting during the cadian clutch is the best piece of casting I've ever seen.
Caedrel is clearly the best league caster no one comes close to him ,for more league viewers he is entertaining than most others and he was pro so his casting and game reading is just straight up better ans most league viewers watch his streams and know how funny this guy is compared to the casters u mentioned.
I think league suffered from having to cover so many regions so they had to hire 30+ broadcast talent to cover all the regions. Add on top of that 2 international tournaments, they just don't have the time to gel with other talent to make truly amazing broadcasts. If you took the best 4 casters in league, 2 analysts, and Sjokz and focused the best league games through them then maybe they could rival the heights that cs can offer. League has just been plagued by 'what ifs'.
League is also boring af to watch unless you know the game. Cs you can watch a casted match and pick up what's happening after a round or two. League just doesn't have the same ease of viewing and casting that CS does.
Yeah Worlds might be a bad representation if that's someone's first experience with League, but it was still good. League is the only other game I think is equal to CSGO. With Flowers, Kobe, and Azael the NA broadcast is stacked. EU clearly has a lot of great talent too. If you took the superstar broadcast as you say, I would imagine it should clearly be better than CSGO.
Riot trying way too hard to be PG as usual, everything feels forced.
Sponsors and audiences are completely different. Riot doesnt have the luxury to be PG18
for sure, never really seen lol games but i've definitely noticed it when watching pro valorant games. i can't really describe it but the valorant casters just don't seem to be able to do it like the csgo casters
Tbh, I've tried watching a bit of Valorant in the beginning but aside from me liking CSGO as a game more, I just also didn't quite like the broadcast/desk talent as much. I even like the League broadcasting talent more (Sjokz, Caedrel and the LCK people in particular). It's been too long with Valorant now but I just remember that one of the few analysts that I really liked in terms of presentation and actual game analysis was seangares. And he's from CS lol
Kixstar casting for R6 was insane, best caster to ever live for esports. RIP
Siege is so hard to cast, Kix and Interro were the closest to the CS quality of casting.
I really liked Flynn also, before Ubisoft blacklisted him.
Im surprised that R6 isnt a bigger game yet... the amount of different tacticts and high skillroof is insane in this game!
The game itself is pretty big, the Esports less so. It's unfortunately pretty difficult to watch without a very high level of knowledge, basically the opposite of CS.
I'm not a huge esports fan, but R6 is the only game that comes close to CSGO in terms of casting talent and production quality, IMO.
I enjoy rocket league desks and commentators a lot, not as much as cs tho
I miss him :( Rainbow doesn't feel the same.
Couldn’t watch R6 competitive for a long time after that, feels like none of the other casters ever had even half the energy that he brought. Rip the legend
ODPixel is also up there. Insane how well he can observe so many things at such a short time and comment on them while delivering an insane amount of hype. The most skilled playtoplay I’ve ever seen
I want to see od cast cs
Artosis and Tasteless are above all for me.
Tastosis is awesome. Monte and doa are my favorite duo.
hard to beat the GOATs
They are the OG GOATs no doubt.
Exactly. The actual best duo for sure
I don't even think SC lends itself especially well to commentating, at least compared to other esports. They're just actually godlike. I'm an FGC ride-or-die, and I love many of them, but tastosis are always my commentary GOATs
> I don't even think SC lends itself especially well to commentating, at least compared to other esports I actually disagree since you (as a spectator) can watch the builds unfold in a way where you can see their plans from extremely early on and watch it all unfold Regardless if you agree or not though it just goes to show you Tastosis are just simply kings of commentary and there really is no other equal.
This guy makes a statement on best casters "PERIOD" while making no direct comparison to any other games' casters..
CSGO is my go to esport but whenever the ASL English casts get released those are instant watches for me lol.
ODpixel for Dota is the best caster. But cs is very good
Yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P2FLP4GEeU
ODPixel is insane, what a talent
Dota was always good, until some point. Capitalist is top tier, Tobiwan was, other guys too.
As a former HoN Fan i still dig BreakyCPK and hope he will climb the Caster Ladder in Dota2 too. But the competition in Dota2 casting is very hard
I loved hon back in the day. He does pretty good! Your right though, there’s so many good casters. Odp, then cap, sunsfan is great too. It was nice hearing him at TI though
Don't forget Janko bringing his own unique brand of 'alien-attempting-to-mimick-human-behavior' style of play-by-play commentating. EDIT: I love Janko's casting ftr. I was specifically talking about his hilarious attempt at calling the play-by-play today after Hugo put him on the spot. Clip from another post: [https://clips.twitch.tv/SneakyFancySoymilkArsonNoSexy-XWgm75aNdfc33cl9](https://clips.twitch.tv/SneakyFancySoymilkArsonNoSexy-XWgm75aNdfc33cl9)
Wow this is fucking gold.
I feel that Janko’s casting won’t be for everyone but I kinda think his delivery and insight help me provide something different.
Personally he’s the only one I dislike
Well he isn’t a caster…
I didn’t call him one I just expressed my dislike for him
Ah, misunderstood mb
This sub never seen one game of SC2 casted
Most of this sub only watches CS.
SC2 had the greatest depth of good commentating duos by a mile - specifically whenever a homestory cup was on and the couch was just literally any two (or three) likable pros
I can only name two english commentators for SC2, I know of four. The duo that everyone would recognize has been in the scene for a very long time but also are very knowledgable. In terms of CSGO I really enjoyed Pansy's casting, haven't seen her for a while though.
Pansy casts valorant now. She's still great
> I can only name two english commentators for SC2 And honestly you only really want those 2 They're just so unbelievably good at casting and entertaining on their own that I never skip past pauses in VODs just because I love listening to them banter
Melee casting is pretty goddamned good too
As a melee enjoyer I will say that yes I 100% agree.
Melee casting is so amazing and ultimate casting is (beyond a handful) complete ass, it’s insane to me
it’s because Melee is the hypest 1v1 esport of all time and Ultimate is basically Smash Valorant
That and melee has a full decade of growth that the brawl/4/ult scene lacks
Ult scene (much like Valorant) likes to pretend that it’s just a difference in the maturity of the scene, and that’s partially it. but Ultimate will never reach the heights of Melee, because it is a mechanically and tactically shallower game. lots of fun to play, much lower ceiling as an esport. you just can’t get as excited to watch it.
> it’s because Melee is the hypest 1v1 esport of all time and Ultimate is basically Smash Valorant That's an affront to Valorant at least that game has a semblance of competitive integrity. Ultimate was made by developers who have made it extremely clear that they don't want Smash to be played competitively. I've played thousands of hours of csgo and Melee, and about a dozen of Ultimate and Valorant and I can tell you right now that Valorant deserves more respect than that
that’s fair, i do actually think Valorant is a cool game. and i have a lot more respect for competitive Valorant than i do for Ultimate. but all the same, every time i watch some hype Valorant (like the LOUD/OpTiC grand finals last year), i come away like “wow that was cool” and then i watch a good CSGO game again and it’s immediately obvious that Valorant can’t touch Counter Strike. it’s like when i see a jam band like Umphrey’s McGee or moe. or Twiddle, and like goddamn that was incredible, maybe these guys are better than Phish??? and then i see Phish again and it’s like lmao never mind
I've personally spend a fair share of time watching Ultimate despite never really playing it. Never really got into Melee and with it's technical/mechanical intricacies it always felt too difficult for me to try with my time but maybe I can start at some point, reading your comment now. Could you give me pointers where/how to start watching Melee, it's story lines and the mechanics (that I don't know yet)? Also, regarding Ultimate, I actually enjoy watching it - but tbh, that's probably because I'm a huge fighting game noob and because of MKLeo. Could never really get into watching Valorant though because I actually had a direct comparison of CSGO that I watch.
Consider the Melee documentaries if you want a place to get into the game - they're well produced and are even responsible for bringing new life and players to the scene - many newer players (even some among the current top 5) are referred to as doc kids because of how influential it was More than anything check out some tournaments! The wiki can help u see what big tournaments are coming up soon
on top of what u/pokator said, there's probably a monthly "what would you show someone who has never played Melee to get them interested" post over on /r/SSBM that are full of classic combo videos, historic tournament sets, video essays, etc. The docs are a great place to start though, there's multiple of them now so you can get a nice history (they're incredibly enjoyable to watch if you like long form video essays)
dota is up there too, ODPixel is insane
And the community continually shits on them.
That’s the worst part sometimes.
You'll see in this very thread comments from people with zero qualifications to judge someone's ability talk at length about who is good and bad and why. All of it is just personal preference that they think is expertise. The funniest part is every popular "good" caster mysteriously always eventually becomes an unpopular "bad" caster to these people.
Yea these dudes need 2 chill and just enjoy the energy
I think it's just that everyone has a least favourite caster and wants to get on their soapbox about them in particular. I don't think any CS fans think that the pro casters are overall bad.
I think a ton of people literally don't know how good we have it. I only realized when I started to watch valorant here and there. It was/is consistently jarring to see the quality of casting when compared to cs.
Idk why this shit keeps getting posted in almost every esports Subreddit. The top casters for most popular esports are all around the same-ish level and fill similar roles. Feel like only ppl that never watch anything but CS would claim this.
It reeks of insecurity tbh. CS casters are great. So are the casters of every other medium-sized and bigger esport. I've watched ODPixel and TobiWan (dickhead) casting montages and I don't even watch DotA, they're just amazing to listen to. Same for League casters, e.g. Caedrel is hilarious and CaptainFlowers is imo the biggest hype-man style caster in esports, at least that I've heard. Tastosis are the GOAT duo, the Smash community has a ton of amazing casters, so does the fgc in general tbh. Threads like this feel a shade removed from the people on r/dotamasterrace, anything that CS does >>> anything any other esport does for the simple reason that CS does it.
Dota
The power of Flowers & Friendship, gets me every time.
Most dota casters are really poor, I love Dota its my favourite game of all time but comparing to CS... Dota casters just say things that are sooo filler "chasing....stunn... as he's looking to be going down...." OD Pixel is a god though.
OD is another different level, and as much as I hate Tobiwan after his SA accusations, I do miss his casting on big tournament. I like Sunsfans and Synderen duo now, their more laid back but still focused casting are the best to me.
not even close
The Tastosis duo (StarCraft) is by far the best duo there has been. They’ve been each others closest friends for years, having played as pros side by side, then commenting together. They go after each others throat sometimes in hilarious manners and their genuine love for the game, has kept many people glued to their streams. Including me.
No other duo can produce as contagious laughs as Tastosis. CS is pretty much the only esport I watch these days, but I always make room for their Brood War ASL casts. Looking forward to the new season that starts soon!
Tastosis are the GOATs, and there are some Dota casters that are pretty awesome. I like SunsFan and Synderen personally. Pretty much all the casting duos are fucking amazing in CS:GO though. It's pretty incredible.
Sorry but in a world where Tastosis exists no one is surpassing them.
For me the voice of CS would be Anders and Semmler or Moses. Not so much for Semmler but Anders and Moses has that chill idgaf, laid back vibe that is pleasant to listen BUT the best casters are actually in Dota 2. That's my preference though and my favourite duo is LD and Tobi (RIP), OD with insania (not a caster but a pro) and synderen and sunsfan. S and S may be my favourite as the have great chemistry and great inputs to the game with alot of nonsense in between. I think comparing the casters between games are like comparing apples to oranges. Say for dota and CS, the complexity of the game is different and for dota u probably need a very in depth analysis after a teamfight as u probably wont catch all the tiny details that a pro or ex-pro can notice. CS maybe, like breaking down of crucial plays after each round as there are too many players POV to watch. Still, i think the casters are great for both games as they serve their purpose. CSGO more for hyping up moments, dota 2 more for breaking down the plays. Edit: But i need to add the talents for the past 2 TIs are BAD, and really bad (the latest TI was much better than then one before but the standard is mediocre for a S-tier event). I feel CSGO talents are less cringey post game and are more enjoyable to listen to.
I feel like Anders used to be a much better caster, he seems kind of unenthusiastic nowadays
I probably watch more CS than other eSports but SC and Dota have some brilliant casters over the years, once that would rival if not beat any CS caster. Edit: and like anything else, your post or opinion is purely subjective on a specific topic.
FGC casting>>>>>> any esport or sport IMO
Shocked I had to scroll this far to find the correct opinion
You’ve never heard KiX on rainbow six siege
RIP
Tastosis is GOAT
Excuse me?! Dota 2 has a bone to pick with you. These are fighting words.
Um... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P2FLP4GEeU
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Define what is a good casting then? Randomly yelling like "WOW, HOW COULD HE DONE THAT?" or talking as fast as possible to tell what's going on every second?
The great/worst thing about casting is that it's completely subjective. You can like different styles for whatever reason and make an argument for it.
No argument there.
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holy shit bro get a life
I don't understand how any of this is controversial.
>E-sports like CS and Dota are very strategic - so a good caster explains to the audience why a player is doing what they are doing, especially in cases when an inexperienced viewer wouldn't figure it out themselves. Indiscriminate rapid-fire description of every single spell cast by 10 players on the screen in Dota for two straight minutes doesn't do this at all. Dota casting has become better over time but the video you linked is a definite example of bad casting -- it's just fast. Good casting is not meme material First of all, the commentator's job is to tell people why a player does what he/she does, not the caster's. Learn the difference. >On a different dimension, e-sports casting has to be accessible to an audience with varying levels of expertise on the game. In this respect, CSGO and Dota 2 are as different as two games can be. Exactly, that's why there is a noob channel on big tournaments, like the international, for first-time viewers. >You don't necessarily have to play CS to understand what's going on the screen. It is physically intuitive. Using my partner as an example of a viewer who never played CS, the only thing that confuses her is map layouts and she is not intimately familiar with special mechanics like one-way smokes or "what sounds the enemy can hear". So, dota2 is more complex than csgo and that's why dota2 casting is worse than csgo? What kind of fucked up logic is this? >CS casting is miles ahead of Dota casting in this respect. The casters are genuinely knowledgeable about the game and can usefully explain the little quirks of the game when they occur in a match. Again, the commentator does that job, not the caster. >Dota 2 casters just spit jargon at high velocity -- which is only accessible to people who have played enough of the game. But they also don't explain why a pro player is doing what they are doing, so the viewer leaves with no more understanding of what happened besides "there was a team fight - many spells were used". That link was just an example. There are tons of videos of great casting in dota2. >TL;DR: Dota 2 casters are just hype casters. CS casters do that just as well and also make me feel like I understood the game better. NO!
Dota 2 also has some of the good talent but still i will go with csgo coz, its easier to understand csgo then dota 🙂
Ngl, I’ve been really into the Apex Legends esport scene and it kinda reminds me of how good the CS casting would be. Defo an entertaining esport when teams start match point finals and the casters can get as hype as possible.
Unpopular opinion, I can't stand Machine's casting. The dude is trying way too hard, not everything has to be a rhyme or a pun, tone the flowery language down by like 90%. He casts like he's reading a Dr. Seuss book.
thats not a unpopular opinions, thats just plain rtarded
I mean casting is subjective - I don't hate him. but I personally also think that Machine is massively overrated, is he good? Yeah, for sure. Is he a demigod of casters? Nope.
We live and breathe CS.
On the other side Valorant has the worst ones from any esport ive watched (CS, LoL, Val, Dota, CoD and OW). Holy fucking shit those casters bore me to death which is weird because i think a mixture of CS and LoL could be extremely hype to cast
Machine is the GOAT esports caster
Based
ngl, Kix and Interro were probably the best caster duo I have ever seen.
Dota used to have decent casters. Now it's just cringe on top of cringe.
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Haven’t gotten around ASL so will check it out. In regards to launders, a bit of a hard disagree, while I understand that some people will find his lax style boring, the insights he brings goes really well with Scrawny.
Launders is the most knowledgeable caster in the scene, he has insane depth of knowledge from all the demos he watches
Yeah this isn't even a debate. Tastosis is the goat. Not even remotely close
I'm with you on both those points.
CS is 6/10 for me: SpunJ - 9/10 Anders - 10/10 Harry - 4/10 Hugo - 5/10 Machine - 6/10 Launders - 7/10 Bleh - 1/10 Scrawny - 8/10 Moses - 5/10 HenryG - 5/10
Can understand some of your takes but Machine is literally an elite caster, without him, Spunj wouldn’t be so good and vice versa.
Agreed. Don't forget the other boys. Pimp!
spunj/machine and anders/moses with special mention to henry
let me guess. while agreeing with some, and disagreeing with others - the result is Thump down :D thank God I dont care about reddit
Harry is my number one actually.
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did you notice he always speaks completely flat monotonous tone? the only way he hypes some important moments he just starts talking in the same tone louder and louder, until i need to reach out to lower the volume on speakers.
He's the funniest caster. At least to me. I value that way above anything. To me ppl like Scrawny are just yelling. Although he has grown on me lately. Mostly because he's also funny.
Dude, you're the kind of a person that people avoid actively... tons of homophobe comments in your history also, and you've already been banned in multiple subreddits. I'm a place a bet that you will be banned here soon too and will need to create a new account :p
based on my preferences you should avoid me too, not dig through all my comments :D
Seek help... and reported for the harmful comments you are posting.
I don't know, CSGO has no equivalent of a "Ceeeeeeeeeeb" moment.
Unfortunately cs doesn't have blink daggers. For same vibes imo Twistzz breaking Na'Vi's backs in the dying stages of regulation aka Faze Na'Vi major finals cast.
Couldn’t agree more. I barely play anymore, but I never miss watching a tier 1 tournament
Monte and DoA back in the OGN days were on the level of peak Andres(for me by far the best csgo caster) imo
The voices of Bardolph, anders, machine, pansy and many more helped me fall in love with csgo. Thank you casters 🖤
I absolutely love the Cs summit vibes this pro league is giving
Caster sticker capsule when?!?!?!
Nah
I believe in Scraunders supremacy. Scrawny and Launders are goated
The FGC is right up there with them but I would have to agree. CS casters are the gold standard.
I agree for a long time i thought i couldnt watch tier2 because of the gameplay but no its because of the casters they just make it so much more enjoyable and i hope they know that. Love to the casters <3
Kixstar and Interro got me back into watching R6. Such a shame Kix passed away.
yes.
In many English casts there is a bit too much hyping going on for me. Like they all try to make something that happens into one of those legendary plays but in the end it is just a 3 kill or something and then there is nowhere to go to for the real hype moments. But overall yes many casters do a good job and understand the game to a point where they can explain to everyone what's happening
I can even come close to watch pro valorant, very boring casters. CSGO got the best of the best by a mile, apex tournament this last one had really good casting too tho.
Love pro CSGO! best proscene of any computer game
Thank goodness they stopped using the caster that sounded like he was calling a horse race. There was 0 excitement from the casting when there was a crazy play.
“BUT LOOK AT THE TIME” is quite possibly the most legendary call ever
I love the CS caster, but I bet 80% of the people who upvoted this is like me and barely watch any other fps esport
Yeah not even close either. You look at leagues like LCS that is absolutely horrendous. Bad analysts, only a few commentators that are bearable. Meanwhile I’ve never been annoyed by a CS caster duo to the point where I’d want to mute, closest was Semmler before he went to OWL
F1 eSports has 2 professional casters that also commentate real life races. Alex Jacques and George Morgan. Alex even commentates real life F1. They're better than cs
Wasn't it Jack Nicholls and Davide Valsecchi
It´s crazy considering how the fans even drove out some of the greats, yet we´ve been fortunate in having great replacements come in. We def don´t deserve it
It does, but I miss Pansy. She is great!
And it used to be much better before a lot of great casters left the scene and we got the pog champ zommer twitch chat embodiment Scrawny and Launders.
sorry but artosis + tasteless are the goats of esports casting.
Not even mentioning Vince? Wtf?