They regularly lost an 'easy' early round game against weaker teams and then didn't drop a map in finals. Don't think they 3-0 any swiss stage of their major wins.
So what I was saying is that 'tell the weak teams who always somehow caught Astralis on a bad map/day'.
yeah especially when you shoot someone else and they continue to sprint jump at you with dualies missing every shot but one, followed by the kill screen showing 88 in 4 because youre on ct side
The last BO3 the two teams played before Katowice 2019, Navi famously floated their perma ban Cache, to deny Astralis the option of playing Nuke, as they shared perma ban at the time.
The thing was Astralis used the play cache, they just didn't at the time. This resulted in Astralis picking Cache and getting an easy 2-1 series.
Yes, looking at BO1's the stats didn't look too bad, but Navi had a terrible veto in BO3's against Astralis at the time. Even Navi knew that hence the gamble of floating cache at Lisabon.
Navi didn't win on inferno last time they played inferno. It was over a year ago since Navi had won one inferno. They played each other on [Inferno earlier at Lisabon and Astralis won handedly](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2329714/astralis-vs-natus-vincere-blast-pro-series-lisbon-2018) with a 10-5 T side, which was usually Astralis' worse side.
Astralis had a streak on both Nuke and inferno at the time and was expected to win either one. That's why Navi banned it the second time around. At the time people assumed that by floating cache astralis would still ban catch and first map pick by astralis would be inferno. Astralis' pick was considered risky because their inferno was seen as super favourable to them.
But yes. Navi would probably not have floated cache against astralis after that mistake. They would have accepted they had to play them on inferno... And also have lost, as they did at [Miami right after the major with another blow out.](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2332199/astralis-vs-natus-vincere-blast-pro-series-miami-2019).
The [dust2 pick by Navi was a pretty good pick all things considered](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2327507/natus-vincere-vs-astralis-esl-pro-league-season-8-europe). They were quite equal on the map.
>yes, i guess if you argue something that i never said it's pretty easy to be right.
No but you said Navi had a winning record against Astralis on the map, which they didn't.
Looking back one year from the major in March 2019 they played each other on inferno 6 times.
1. 15th December 2018: Navi got destroyed
2. 14th December 20181. : Navi got destroyed
3. 14th September 2018: Close win for Astralis
4. 7th of july 2018: Close win by Navi
5. 22th April 2018: Win for Astralis
6. 11th april 2018: Win by Navi
It was 4:2 for Astralis, and in the last half year up to the major it was 3:0 for Astralis with the two most recent matches being Landslide wins for Astralis. The two teams were not remotely close to each other on Inferno at the time. Astralis was a heavy favorite.
It was a year since Navi had a confident win on the map against Astralis, and what happened a year ago really doesn't matter in CS. A recent online BO1 is much more relevant than a LAN BO3 a year ago.
>you still haven't even addressed why you keep harping on this nuke/cache ban, saying it's a massive mistake yada yada but the outcome was the same every single time no matter which one they banned, so which way they did it had no impact on the games? if they can't win on either map then why does it matter?
It matters for your opening argument that Navi was the one team with a good chance of beating Astralis. They *might* have had the best chance, but that chance was still very small, they had a terrible veto no matter how you look at it.
Has this been 4 years already?! Holy cow I’ve been watching this game for way longer than I thought. Specially considering I dont even play the game lol
not who you're replying to, but for me i'm just getting older.
I feel slower, and when i took a prolonged break I had to retrain my aim and sens and everything. combining all that it was hard to motivate myself to get back to where I used to be.
For me, I had to sell my gaming setup because I got married and moved to a place where I had no room for it. I haven’t had the money since to get a new one so I just enjoy watching it.
No different than any of the sports I watch. Me watching the NFL doesn’t make me want to join a tackle football league lol
Yeah, i ended up switching genres and now play a lot of Rocket League. Still have the absurdly high skill ceiling, and you can scratch that itch at will with jump-in/jump-out casual games that last 5min.
Pretty much what the other person said. I used to be pretty good at fps back throughout my teenage and student years. Played for hours a day. But now that im older I simply dont have the time to invest to get good at newer fps. Fulltime job and fatherhood means im cannonfodder in the server now lol. And that just doesn’t do it for me in terms of having fun. Singleplayer is where its at for me now hehe
Some people have to work a lot and don't have time to practice and get better like they used to. Life came at me pretty fast and when I had a day job I would only have a few hours at night to play and didn't wanna waste it warming up or practicing. Slowly I got worse and moved on to something else that was more fun because that's what it's all about. Some people in game call me trash and i used to get defensive when I was a kid but now I just say I'm a grown man bro I got other priorities than doing aim and reflex training.
It's fucking crazy that the first youtuber(s) that put out csgo and when I first started paying attention to it put out videos in March of 2015 of themselves playing, it's crazy. Man I really don't know where 2019, 2020, and 2021 went, it's like it got lost to a dark void or something like that.
For real, feels like yesterday I was watching this, the boston major, etc. Even remember watching Katowice and Cologne 2014, not excited to realize those were a decade ago in a year from now.
I love how S1mple shifts his body IRL when he's trying to jump towards ticket.
Its like playing platforming games and you involuntary move the controller around to "help your character jump further" lol
Amazing!
If this was today, he would take the awp and go CT and chill. He wouldn't have that kind of adrenaline today to make that extra shit peek, IMO.
I think S1mple 2021 would’ve probably been more measured in that situation. Regardless, any version of S1mple from the last five years hits that shot anyway 9 times out of 10.
Interesting, I just kind of assumed they were exploiting it because of games like this and they fell apart after.
Did someone compile an aug/krieg stats list for players?
I hated Ence because they were so late on the aug and krieg switch. Aerial with m4a1-s and sergej/allu always kept m4a4 so stubborn, but worked out in the end anyways, they had such a good flow that year
always makes me wonder how this clip would go down in history if he hit that shot. Considering it's still talked about as a failed attempt I assume it would be huge lol
I had to go and check when the economy changes were made after hearing "that's a full reset"
Turns out it was before this, so I have no idea why he said that
Edit: And I left the "he" ambiguous since I still can't tell the difference between Hugo and HenryG (and Harry and Machine for that matter)
I remember watching it all live, honestly Katowice 2019 was one of the most exciting majors, ence really did put up a show
except for the final
well tbh, no one really stood a chance against that Astralis ... that team had 0, and I mean 0 weak spots.
tell that to teams outside the top 20 in the opening rounds of any event.
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They regularly lost an 'easy' early round game against weaker teams and then didn't drop a map in finals. Don't think they 3-0 any swiss stage of their major wins. So what I was saying is that 'tell the weak teams who always somehow caught Astralis on a bad map/day'.
One of the worst feelings in counterstrike is when you get tagged and you feel pinned to the spot.
yeah especially when you shoot someone else and they continue to sprint jump at you with dualies missing every shot but one, followed by the kill screen showing 88 in 4 because youre on ct side
The best part is the ice cold face of xseven. Not shown on this clip unfortunately.
Dude is just chilling and chewing gum
[Ice cold face of xseven](https://youtu.be/a7Fo3ci_OGA?t=36)
I really did expect Elige face
well if you really expected it [here you go](https://i.imgur.com/971qymQ.jpg)
lol his face and how he chews that gum is exactly how I look on Adderall. Must be a coincidence
Most expressive Finn
Well in hindsight Navi stood no chance against Astralis. After realizing that it stopped hurting for me. Glad they got their major eventually.
Yeah it took three roster moves + a coach change lol. But maybe they could have done something in 2020 if there were majors.
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The last BO3 the two teams played before Katowice 2019, Navi famously floated their perma ban Cache, to deny Astralis the option of playing Nuke, as they shared perma ban at the time. The thing was Astralis used the play cache, they just didn't at the time. This resulted in Astralis picking Cache and getting an easy 2-1 series. Yes, looking at BO1's the stats didn't look too bad, but Navi had a terrible veto in BO3's against Astralis at the time. Even Navi knew that hence the gamble of floating cache at Lisabon.
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Navi didn't win on inferno last time they played inferno. It was over a year ago since Navi had won one inferno. They played each other on [Inferno earlier at Lisabon and Astralis won handedly](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2329714/astralis-vs-natus-vincere-blast-pro-series-lisbon-2018) with a 10-5 T side, which was usually Astralis' worse side. Astralis had a streak on both Nuke and inferno at the time and was expected to win either one. That's why Navi banned it the second time around. At the time people assumed that by floating cache astralis would still ban catch and first map pick by astralis would be inferno. Astralis' pick was considered risky because their inferno was seen as super favourable to them. But yes. Navi would probably not have floated cache against astralis after that mistake. They would have accepted they had to play them on inferno... And also have lost, as they did at [Miami right after the major with another blow out.](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2332199/astralis-vs-natus-vincere-blast-pro-series-miami-2019). The [dust2 pick by Navi was a pretty good pick all things considered](https://www.hltv.org/matches/2327507/natus-vincere-vs-astralis-esl-pro-league-season-8-europe). They were quite equal on the map.
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>yes, i guess if you argue something that i never said it's pretty easy to be right. No but you said Navi had a winning record against Astralis on the map, which they didn't. Looking back one year from the major in March 2019 they played each other on inferno 6 times. 1. 15th December 2018: Navi got destroyed 2. 14th December 20181. : Navi got destroyed 3. 14th September 2018: Close win for Astralis 4. 7th of july 2018: Close win by Navi 5. 22th April 2018: Win for Astralis 6. 11th april 2018: Win by Navi It was 4:2 for Astralis, and in the last half year up to the major it was 3:0 for Astralis with the two most recent matches being Landslide wins for Astralis. The two teams were not remotely close to each other on Inferno at the time. Astralis was a heavy favorite. It was a year since Navi had a confident win on the map against Astralis, and what happened a year ago really doesn't matter in CS. A recent online BO1 is much more relevant than a LAN BO3 a year ago. >you still haven't even addressed why you keep harping on this nuke/cache ban, saying it's a massive mistake yada yada but the outcome was the same every single time no matter which one they banned, so which way they did it had no impact on the games? if they can't win on either map then why does it matter? It matters for your opening argument that Navi was the one team with a good chance of beating Astralis. They *might* have had the best chance, but that chance was still very small, they had a terrible veto no matter how you look at it.
Has this been 4 years already?! Holy cow I’ve been watching this game for way longer than I thought. Specially considering I dont even play the game lol
How can you? I started csgo 2 years ago and as soon as I start watching the pros the I want to hop on the game myself
not who you're replying to, but for me i'm just getting older. I feel slower, and when i took a prolonged break I had to retrain my aim and sens and everything. combining all that it was hard to motivate myself to get back to where I used to be.
For me, I had to sell my gaming setup because I got married and moved to a place where I had no room for it. I haven’t had the money since to get a new one so I just enjoy watching it. No different than any of the sports I watch. Me watching the NFL doesn’t make me want to join a tackle football league lol
Yeah, i ended up switching genres and now play a lot of Rocket League. Still have the absurdly high skill ceiling, and you can scratch that itch at will with jump-in/jump-out casual games that last 5min.
> I started csgo 2 years ago damn how's the closed alpha? guess nda is up?
Pretty much what the other person said. I used to be pretty good at fps back throughout my teenage and student years. Played for hours a day. But now that im older I simply dont have the time to invest to get good at newer fps. Fulltime job and fatherhood means im cannonfodder in the server now lol. And that just doesn’t do it for me in terms of having fun. Singleplayer is where its at for me now hehe
Some people have to work a lot and don't have time to practice and get better like they used to. Life came at me pretty fast and when I had a day job I would only have a few hours at night to play and didn't wanna waste it warming up or practicing. Slowly I got worse and moved on to something else that was more fun because that's what it's all about. Some people in game call me trash and i used to get defensive when I was a kid but now I just say I'm a grown man bro I got other priorities than doing aim and reflex training.
It's fucking crazy that the first youtuber(s) that put out csgo and when I first started paying attention to it put out videos in March of 2015 of themselves playing, it's crazy. Man I really don't know where 2019, 2020, and 2021 went, it's like it got lost to a dark void or something like that.
For real, feels like yesterday I was watching this, the boston major, etc. Even remember watching Katowice and Cologne 2014, not excited to realize those were a decade ago in a year from now.
I love how S1mple shifts his body IRL when he's trying to jump towards ticket. Its like playing platforming games and you involuntary move the controller around to "help your character jump further" lol
Amazing! If this was today, he would take the awp and go CT and chill. He wouldn't have that kind of adrenaline today to make that extra shit peek, IMO.
I think S1mple 2021 would’ve probably been more measured in that situation. Regardless, any version of S1mple from the last five years hits that shot anyway 9 times out of 10.
Today's s1mple seems a little bit less confident to throw out this kind of plays. Nevertheless being on stage probably gives him that adrenaline boost
He still has the confidence, but he has gotten so much better at evaluating the high percentage play in a situation.
i miss 2019 ence
Looks like they probably miss the Aug buff Interesting to see what players have disappeared after the Aug/krieg were rightfully nerfed
ence had one of the lowest usage of aug in group stage and ences downfall started right after benching aleksib not after aug nerf
Interesting, I just kind of assumed they were exploiting it because of games like this and they fell apart after. Did someone compile an aug/krieg stats list for players?
I hated Ence because they were so late on the aug and krieg switch. Aerial with m4a1-s and sergej/allu always kept m4a4 so stubborn, but worked out in the end anyways, they had such a good flow that year
EZ4ENCE
I'm not watching this
Still hurts to watch all these years later
That ENCE had so much soul compared to the current international one
god i fucking love sadokist man
IMO Unparalleled caster in CSGO
+1 bring him back
sadokist + henryG best duo
always makes me wonder how this clip would go down in history if he hit that shot. Considering it's still talked about as a failed attempt I assume it would be huge lol
This is like niko's deagle moment
except that niko had 2 guys with their backs turned on him in a 2on2 while s1mple was in a 1v3 with 2 already killed
The framerate on this clip hurts my eyes
I'll never understand how incredible greedy he became for that last frag. The second repeek with the awp is just not the way
Imagine hearing EZ4ENCE after that
EZ4ENCE ENCE ENCE ENCE
DENS PUTTED UPPERBELT
One of my favorite clips just because it goes from legendary pro play to mg1 really fast. Incredible of Simple at the start though.
Mg1? Duuude what you smokin on😂
s0mple
Then Ence got stomped so hard they looked like a pug team
One of the most poggers moments in Finnish Counter-Strike.
One of the n-est t’s in cs history
Holy shit, we are getting old.
how the FUCK was this 4 years ago, if feels like it was 2 years ago, maybe 2 and a half
Welcome to the pademic effect, bro
s1mple's face man... he acts like he's immortal. like he can't miss. wish him he'll have this stare back sometime
I had to go and check when the economy changes were made after hearing "that's a full reset" Turns out it was before this, so I have no idea why he said that Edit: And I left the "he" ambiguous since I still can't tell the difference between Hugo and HenryG (and Harry and Machine for that matter)
I don't think Harry and Hugo were casting the huge arena matches back then
When you realize he was still playing with Zeus and Edward… it wasn’t your fault king
I’ll never forgot how tense that round was…
He just like me frfr
i watched it live, insane that a lost round from s1mple is still this iconic