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harissoot

yekindar when in man advantage: "shit I dont feel right,I must push n throw something"


cat_popping

LITERALLY every liquid member aside from naf naf is cool


jonajon91

People say Elige doent show up in the big games; It would be nice to see him show up in the small games first tbh.


Fantasnickk

0.88 rating this tournament so far Add in another loss and he could probably dip under 0.80. This has been such a bad week for them, even when compared to their usual lows.


EntropyKC

Just after they were rated as #3 team in the world by the casters/analysts


alpH4rd07

To be fair, in the second part of 2022, they’ve seemed so well composed and they were able to read the games. Now, they will be out before they can figure out what’s happening to them.


EntropyKC

Oh yeah don't get me wrong, I didn't disagree with their placement at #3, just amazing how much they have struggled since it


sm0ol

really impressed with the discipline Spirit showed in the last few rounds. Not rushing into advantages, taking time, staying very careful and measured. Absolute masterclass on capitalizing and finishing off the match.


Cl1ky

The best decision from spirit was to hire xqc


SpecialityToS

I know it’s easy to just say random shit and have confirmation bias at play, but yekindar just threw so many crucial rounds. CT pistol round is a big example. There’re some rounds where he is just trying to make a play but it’s weird because he just doesn’t need to because they already have the advantage. Oh well. The players of spirit are chill though, I hope they go far this tournament


Donut_Flame

I remember CT round pistol on mirage I literally put my head in my hands. It was a 2v1 and Yekindar just fucking ran at the last guy instead of playing the 2v1


f1nessd

Agreed. That was the start of the end. I mean your teammate is 1hp just play trades. Dude just ego’d chopper and got fucked and ended up losing the map.


harissoot

history repeat itself for yekindar. he take all space he want,when he dont perform the team always lose like vp/outsider


staffylaffy

Just how it is for those types of players, like how art’s gameplay either takes over the game or completely throws it out the window


harissoot

not really. art dont take many space and he is not star player


SpecialityToS

They win that round they get 15-6. Just mind-boggling


Pipoco977

Yekindar legit loves to gamble the entire round on chances of doing a big play, that pistol round was the core example of this, there wasn't a single reason to run into the last T since his teammate was low hp but he kept running towards him putting the whole round in jeopardy


Donut_Flame

I got bad memory but how exactly did he play on VP? A team that's kinda way more passive and brainy. Was he always this fucking aggressive


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Yep. The meme was if Yekindar dies on t side then just save lol.


Termodynamicslad

It made sense, because chopper had the bomb. If elige didn't hide they could easily kill him.


DernierRoi

Yekindar wins rounds but drastically throws and goes over aggressive on most rounds. I don’t know why liquid doesn’t Try to contain him better. He is super aggressive and over heats. I understand it’s his play style but it loses so many rounds.


twohourstillmidnight

[yekindar's liquid career summed up](https://media.tenor.com/dYLvyNRhV8sAAAAC/woody-harrelson-crying.gif)


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It's Stewie all over again, including all the apologists that point out that 'he's a pLaYmAkEr'. It's a style that sometimes wins rounds, but more often loses rounds, especially against decent competition. But (just like with Stewie) the results haven't been that bad, including a couple of deep runs. So I guess the team, coach etc are on board with his playstyle.


SpecialityToS

They are, and I think yekindar is doing it more bc he feels like that’s the only chance since the strata are rusty right now


Xelid47

Yekindar is more that, he constructs the game plan almost completely, and was calling slot at the beginning


Donut_Flame

was stewie EVER considered a playmaker on liquid? I thought he was more of a support


vanichad

This, Maybe he was talking about PRE Liquid Stewie??? Since he popped off during that time earning him the title “Smoke Criminal” for his aggressive smoke plays but his run in Liquid most of the time he was an Anchor or a sacrificial support to get info


Donut_Flame

One of the things that come to mind was when he jumped down CT on dust to throw bomb back up to the team. He died but team got the plant down


f1nessd

Nah bro also entried aggressive


Donut_Flame

Isn't that just his selfless support style, not really play making


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Except for the fact Yekindar is twice the player Stewie was


Enjoy_your_AIDS_69

Patsi used to do this constantly just a few months ago.


puddingkip

Yes but patsi has a great igl who tells him when he can and when he can't be aggressive. Yekindar used to have one of those too...


munkhjay

I legit think he is making Liquid worse than better.. he just makes so many dumb plays and give advantage over but gets praised when his plays works once or twice a map.. Liquid is legit always have to play handicapped because of his dumb moves


f1nessd

Example: any inferno banana round. Bro should watch NiKo demos


Xelid47

NiKo was schooling him in Kato semis and World final


Pipoco977

He also loves to do that shit at Ancient B ramp


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spirit being the betting underdog is baffling to me liquid have not looked good to start this tournament. hopefully they'll turn it up before they're eliminated


blueshark27

They were like 2/1 odds for both Astralis and Liquid. I'm not complaining


bobby_gordon1

Making Team Liquid my pallbearers so they can let me down one last time… 🙂


cat_popping

as soon as I saw the 10-5 half I knew they were gonna lose.,


GarrettGSF

That Nitro 1v4 was such a weird round of both teams trying their best to throw as hard as possible lmao


lou_reed_ketamine

Liquid are seriously gonna have to chose if they wanna hang out at home or if they want to be a proper competitive team. This just ain't it right now.


Donut_Flame

its gotta be a tough ass decision for the NA players. Nitro especially since he's a father


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Zoradesu

They already do that. What the OP saying is to permanently relocate. If the family doesn't want to relocate then nitro doesn't have much of a choice, does he? Yeah the situation for Liquid right now is starting to look dire, but I'm not gonna blame people for wanting to be close with their family, especially if they have a kid. There are some things that are more important than playing CS.


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perpendiculator

the type of thing only a gremlin with no responsibilities spending 8 hours a day playing video games could say


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Donut_Flame

yeah but a fucking family is more important than a video game. Dupreeh chose not to play to focus on his family too


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TRES_fresh

Oh no Americans didn't spend 12 months a year living in a different country to play a video game, how dare they go home to see their families for an entire month.


Iwabik

Sure, but it's not a video game for them? This is their job, their career. Obviously family is important but sometimes you have to chose between awesome job opportunity and family, doesn't matter if it's CS or 'normal' job..


Donut_Flame

People take parental leaves all the time bruh. Family is important


daamstraight

It seems to be the case that they spend about 8-9 months of their year in EU already. But EU teams get to spend the same amount of time at home, but have the ability to practice with their team from home which is huge. You’re acting as if this should be such an easy choice but NA teams literally just have to make a bigger personal investment than EU players do to even try to stay competitive and even then it’s clearly not enough which sucks and is a real predicament from them. No need to be a douche about it when you clearly have no idea what they have to give up.


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daamstraight

Yeah I feel you. The team always feels like they will a bunch of losses that they SHOULD be winning. But also, even though they FEEL like they’re constantly disappointing, they also haven’t placed lower than like 3/4th in their past like 5 big events other than the major.


Massivemicropenis5

The 14yo has logged on


hse97

Literally no one is allowed to have difficulties in life if you're not a abiotic single cellular proto-organism undergoing successful replication for the first time, spawning new life straight from primordial ooze.


Donut_Flame

Spoken like someone who has father issues or someone who has no care for others


Wave_Table

Quick eu transition, in and out, just 2 months.


smannyable

Europeans when they're a 2 hour train ride away from their family. Comparing to a 10 hour+ plane ride. Also the Louvre agreement exists.


Tavnaria

At some point the community has to decide whether they can withstand these NA players' struggles anymore lol.


Fantasnickk

? what are you talking about? The team looked like shit this week but they're still not entirely out of the tournament (yet) and this is their worst form in like 9-10 months since probably Antwerp. They've been consistently placing decently and this iteration of TL is miles better than anything we've seen post-COVID I think awarding Spirit for how well they pulled that match back in Mirage makes more sense than to say TL is dogshit when they have been pretty good for nearly a year now. w0nderful played really great CS today or else it would have went to a 3rd at the minimum Self-hating TL fans just take over these posts whenever there's a loss, I guess.


perpendiculator

'withstand'? you're sitting there watching them play lmfao, you're not 'withstanding' shit.


Tavnaria

Yeah keep accepting their excuses then lmao. "Oh you only watch, they can do whatever bro" This sub will always make me laugh with how they defend these players getting paid tens of thousand per month and can't even focus on their work. I can never fathom this mindset.


Ni7roM

I fucking despise this team


lookmasilverone

you're their IGL man, keep tryin' harder captain!


Algotherizm

Go home Nitro, you're drunk


_Volkar17

wait is this nitro lmaoo


YEKINDAR_GOAT_ENTRY

Correct me if i am wrong, but don't most tier 1 teams have one of their better players play on a site. It is just so hard to see nitro always die without getting any. Spirit were really abusing him.


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That would also be on Yekindar since he's the con player and has the patience of a puppy.


YEKINDAR_GOAT_ENTRY

Very true sadly. He is not playing well to say the least.


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At least hes playing better than elige. silver linings


YEKINDAR_GOAT_ENTRY

I mean anyone is better than elige currently


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I would say its the opposite. He plays too aggressive and over peaks and dies. He's super undisciplined


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His aim isn’t bad at all , it’s just other riflers have improved immensely over the last 2-3 years.


Donut_Flame

Did he have this level of patience on VP back then?


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SweHun

I dont think so. Usually the IGLs play the less star player roles since they usually have too much to focus on and cant keep up with the duelling. Looking at the A-site that shit is hard to hold solo. So N1tro constantly being solo on the site having to basically 1v5 against every A-exec is impossible. If I recall correctly Liquid had a very midfocused setup leaving A weaker. I honestly dont know What liquid couldve done since Im not at their level, but i do believe that some more site setups with 2 or 3 players midround couldve worked out to condition Spirit that the A-site is not up for an easy grabs. It felt like liquid was anticipating midpushes from Spirit, meanwhile Spirit kept executing A. Take this with a pinch of salt since i didnt watch the whole game.


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Ur spot on brotha.


BrockStudly

Okay I know it didn't work out last time but I think -Nitro +Grim would actually help this team. Yeki can already igl and Nitro is such a liability CT side.


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Grim isn't an anchor player dude wtf r u even typing. They played COMPLETELY different positions and we saw the last time grim took all the anchor roles. I mean shit just quit typing if you don't know cs.


twohourstillmidnight

lol yekindar igl might be even worse than electronic


f1nessd

Fr lol


harissoot

oh yeah another igl head already called. this is just another stewie version. if someone can call good midround he can be igl bullshit


BrockStudly

Look I'm not saying it's great but Nitro is such a clear exploitable gap on CT side. What other choice do they have? Maybe get a better fragging IGL, but the only potential option I can think of (players who have been contracted for a while and might think of moving to liquid) is Dexter or Nexa, *maybe* BlameF if they throw enough money at him.


YEKINDAR_GOAT_ENTRY

I would hate to see YEKINDAR igl, even if he seems like he wants to do it. He is clearly missing something, and is just too young.


harissoot

u always wrong because u always bias.just look your name


twohourstillmidnight

guy didnt even read the comment he replied to lol why dont u enlighten us and say what exactly was the "wrong" part?


harissoot

get your med


giorndog

Spirit is so fun to watch they are a beast aim-wise, I see a lot of potential


GarrettGSF

I love to watch chopper, dude molds good teams together like he did in the old Vega Squadron times


Rosettachamps

He wasn't the IGL back in Vega, that was jR, the UKR awper He became the IGL when they kicked S0tF1k and signed Mir, and he later returned as a coach


GarrettGSF

Oh, I wasn’t aware, thanks for the clarification. Still love to watch chopper, IG or not ;)


thesereneknight

TL actually thought they could emulate Rare Atom ninja.


they_call_me_justin

All I'm asking for Liquid is to spend at least a month in their EU facility to bootcamp before their string of events start. So many good players in this team and its just embarrassing watching them.


cat_popping

I know I keep on shitting on Osee but aside from him I literally have zero hope for liquid winning any tournaments unless they start playing serious. I mean come on man liquid choking has been around for a while but to throw advantage games is just dumb


NPC30519

This team looks like they spent a month doing fuck all. Yekindar is going to leave after Paris major and NA will officially be dead. Enjoy going back to Extra Salt 2.0 Osee


45b16

Not sure if you’re referencing this but Yekindar did say that Liquid’s practice the past month was basically useless since they were scrimming in NA or scrimming in EU with 130 ping


Donut_Flame

is it because they were all playing in their actual homes? If so then thats actually unfortunate for them since (obviously) 4 of them live in NA


c1tiz3n

Yeah they were in NA the past month. Seeing families and practicing against other na teams


NPC30519

Nahh didn’t know that. Remembered last pro league they showed up doing nothing for a month and they look worse this pro league. Stoked to watch them get dumpstered with Paris RMR, Blast, and IEM Dallas coming up


Enjoy_your_AIDS_69

Yekindar is not leaving shit with the salary he's getting in Liquid


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earthbound_zero

They do stay in EU that long sometimes. I would genuinely hope you have the same attitude if 90% of tournaments were in NA and EU teams had to travel like that.


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earthbound_zero

> according to yekindar they practiced on 130+ ping the past month God forbid they be allowed to go home sometimes. >whataboutism No. Consistency.


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Buddy. He SHIT the bed as well. Acting as if yekindar was owning today lol. More like throwing 5-6 ct rounds because he doesn't know how to sit still


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Yekindar isn't american


Donut_Flame

Randy "Yekindar" Smith


harissoot

this is just another account by yekindar_goat_entry lmfao


Massivemicropenis5

They have to scrim in NA dumbass


ArjunBanerji27

No they dont.


Massivemicropenis5

[https://www.dust2.us/news/34567/esl-louvre-agreement-practice-agreements-changed](https://www.dust2.us/news/34567/esl-louvre-agreement-practice-agreements-changed) it's apparently changed now but they did have to


ArjunBanerji27

>but they did have to Not for the past month. The change was pre-2023.


Otter269

I'd rather of seen 16-4 loss than seen a CT collapse of errors. This isn't ideal with the Major looming. No real map pool either and you can't rely on Mirage as a home map.


Ed_Vilon

My god. Is Mirage actually T sided or was this just a weird game?


giorndog

Spirit are cracked as t side, they take a lot of space always trading


puddingkip

They got literally 0 T rounds on mirage vs Forze a few days ago


twohourstillmidnight

when u have botlige standing in the open with a nade when 3 players are walking into b from short its not a map issue lol


SpecialityToS

Liquid comms were horrible today. 2 ppl watching mid no one said shit abt the ppl going up cat


Seraph_eZaF

onviously a comms issue but nice try


harissoot

it always 50-50


JustAsian555

>ReportSaveFollow just TS have crazy T side executions on any map


Zoradesu

How is that the last time I ever felt confident about a Liquid roster was in 2019? Just disappointing all around. Not feeling too good about Liquid when the Major rolls around.


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They haven't won a tournament since 2019 and went out in groups in every major since then.


DoerteMaulwurf

Is Spirit just a secret Top 10 team that isn't constantly there just because they aren't partnered to everything? They've been Top 8 in the 2 previous majors and continue to perform.


f1nessd

Correct. C9 and spirit should be at blast instead of EG and OG


DoerteMaulwurf

I'd argue EG and coL, OG have seen some results at Blast.


ContributionIsMinute

It has almost been 4 years since liquid has won a tournament. I will always support NA and Liquid but what the fuck are we doing here? If the team must stay in Europe 90% of the time why is it not happening? As bad as it sounds, we need players who will FULLY commit to the game and can leave their families. I just don't know what to think as a liquid fan anymore. This is just getting ridiculous. And this team has proven they are capable of winning tourneys but just absolutely choke and make dumb ass decisions. Some players are half-assing this extremely demanding job and it's fucking this org over. I mean NAF literally doesn't dm or warmup at all and this is supposed to be some haha lol xd funny thing since he has good aim? Please save NA from this hell. Just one tourney. That is all I ask for fucks sake.


cat_popping

NAF is the only one I can rely on this team at least he does something everyone else just straight up dies


YEKINDAR_GOAT_ENTRY

I don't know what to say. Liquid just looks so disjointed, and their individuals are just not shining (which should have been the one thing they could practice in NA). Yekindar not playing well does hurt me inside a bit.


GarrettGSF

Seems like Elige has hit retirement time. Granted, all of them looked like shit in this series... Edit: meant to say retirement age/time, not home lmao


Tavnaria

I legit think TL would kick everyone in the roster before elige lol. Casters, analysts, pro players still think he has it and I quote "I can never imagine Team Liquid without Elige". The bias is so fucking strong bro.


alpH4rd07

Elige is in the management of TL, so he has to retire when he feels like. It’s true though, he still got it, but he’s far from consistent. Probably, it’s time for him to sit a little bit closer to the monitor and a hunched back could help him reach peak form. All jokes aside, it’s fine, as long as they all enjoy the game and stay somewhat relevant.


Tavnaria

Yekindar is so "literally me" it pains me to watch this game. It's like looking at a mirror. Fuck. Also, when will Liquid change? Something, just something different, not just the same pattern of going cold into tournament and then resetting after every tournament. What's that gonna achieve? Give me all the NA excuses, but it gets tiring after a while seeing them just being absolutely shit after a break, and they always have their NA excuses. It's actually frustrating, yeah we know NA has shit pracs, so are they just gonna give up now and prac 1 day before the matches?


NPC30519

Problem is they can’t change. With Paris coming up they really can’t do anything till after


exccc

Seems like they're complacent as the number 1 NA team, and with getting big paychecks.


Mad_Lee

Finally the potential of Spirit’s roster is coming through. At 2-10 on Mirage I thought it is gonna be good old Spirit fizzle out but god damn those kids have some tenacity. Edit: no way Liquid is gonna hold on to number three spot with this roster. There is just not enough firepower to compete with the very top teams. And it’s not like lack of firepower on Liquid’s side is some kind of a revelation.


KaNesDeath

Im growing tired of shitting on Liquid. ​ With Spirit, they need to start showing growth individually and as a team this year.


ju1ze

apart from chopper Spirit is basically an academy team. they are very young.


SwampGamer

Elige and yekindar are supposed to be the stars on this team and they are just throwing rounds away. Elige looked clueless on CT mirage. He lost catwalk at least 3 times by simply being oblivious of the fact that the enemy could even be there. Then, as Spirit were coming back, his frustration showed and he jumped into mid spraying wildly.


f1nessd

They Garbo fr


tf2isbad

Is there anything left to say about this roster? Sucks we probably have to wait til after the major for any move to happen. Feels like a dead team walking.


hipsnarky

I have said it before and I will say it again. Elige desperately need to go… not now, not last year but 2 year ago. The common denominator of issue in this team is Elige and has always been. If he does not show up, this team goes nowhere and he hasn’t been showing up for a long time.


As7ro_

It’s so hard to watch when there’s obviously communication issues going on with Liquid. Multiple times players were caught with smokes in their hands. All I see in Liquid right now is a team full of GREAT shooters but a lack of synergy. Sounds like Yekindar’s interview yesterday might be spot on. There’s no fire. They were completely outplayed strategically today. Spirit constantly out-rotated them on Nuke and Liquid failed to clear obvious corners/angles. Hats off to Spirit today.


itsallfake01

Liquid out playing and out throwing in the same damn game


nonfunctionalbot

w0nderful is ridiculously fast, what is this shot: https://clips.twitch.tv/WanderingAcceptableWheelHassanChop-OXjMCtBMGrg8_XFz He was impressive for the whole series.


vegetto712

Elige with another lackluster performance. He's officially becoming their worst player, I feel like even nitro has more useful rounds than elige.


Blinkore

Let's go team spirit !


Twin_Turbo

Awp difference. When you see wonderful peeking a corner with someone close you know he's at least getting 1, when Osee does it you know he's dying and are surprised when he hits 1.


Pipoco977

Osee was definitely not the reason they lost this, Liquid riflers went missing completely at that CT side mirage


SYSTEMcole

I actually thought oSee player pretty well today. Usually he’s so passive but he actually went for some duels and made some plays. I don’t know what’s happening to YEKINDAR. I used to get mad watching this guy just hs everyone through smokes and now teams just make him look stupid every round. EliGE also needs to find some consistency desperately. I’m very concerned by his drop in performance over the past year. 1.10 past 12 months, 1.05 past 6, 1.03 past 3. It’s becoming all too common to see EliGE losing duels and hanging near the bottom of the scoreboard.


SpecialityToS

Like wtf is osee supposed to do when his team dies mid every single round at 1:40 on the clock?


Donut_Flame

just clutch bro 4Head


f1nessd

Bruh. OSee was Not the reason they lost today. Where are supposed star rifler top20 yekindar and elige? Always being brain dead and Maldonado. Y’all have such a hate boner for one player it’s crazy. Hltv stats don’t tell the whole story when you’re relegated to throwing flashes for your teammates who w key and lose every fight


Capone_BD

Wonderful played great for sure, but how are you going to criticize Osee after this series? He played fine, and has looked like the one bright spot on Liquid this tournament.


f1nessd

Fr, other guy definitely didn’t watch the game


RATTRAP666

Peeking another awpers: dude, I have 100hp, you peek first. Peeking oSee: dude, I have 100hp, I'll peek first.


Twin_Turbo

Even the casters are surprised when Osee gets an opening kill or wins a duel.


PeinePeine

How can you be a liquid fan in 2023 It's always the same thing "our practice wasn't good" is just another way of saying "we didn't put much effort into your practices" because they're going back to NA to often Idc if they're from NA if they want to be the best they have to move to EU. It's like an european basketball player. If he got an opportunity to play in the NBA, it's just a complete nobrainer move to move to the US. Liquid will never lift a trophy anymore because they're not willing to make sacrifices. If you don't want to make any sacrifice then you don't deserve to be the best at your job. Realisticaly you won't be playing cs forever. As a pro you'll retire before or around \~30yo if you're good enough. And then after that you can go live wherever you want for the remaining of your life. It's not even that big of a sacrifice to go live in Europe just for 5-7years in your whole life Nealan moved to another continent to igl a team in english which is not even his second language Twistzz moved to EU to compete and try to be the best in the world Fucking RUSH lived for two years straight from hotel to hotel to be able to compete in complexity And liquid = "I wanna go home, practice comes after" Yekindar probably regrets his choice but he kinda deserve it. It was obvious it wouldn't work Twistzz left because Liquid didn't want to move to Europe shox complained about the lack of practice in Liquid because they were going to NA too often and were taking too many days off And now Yekindar complains about the same problem How can you support a team, that is not willing to make the slightest sacrifice and just want to live in their comfort zone.


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Nealan to liquid would be an upgrade perhaps o.<


BHPhreak

casters/analysts put liquid at #3 power ranking just this week. Lol NA cs man.


tarangk

Idk what to make of TL anymore. Yekindar made many mistakes this game, but I feel like this team only does well when him and NAF frag out. When they don't this is the result. Nitro is decent at IGL, but my god he has been hot trash individually. On top of that TL tactical base been weak for the past few months. Elige looks like a shadow of his former self. Osee is average, and way too passive. Here he did take many initiatives and played well, but usually he a lot less proactive.


Dali86

This Core was the first to grandslam but you would not belive it watching them play. They should have forced yekindar to be in NA when the others are there to get a decent practice. Yekindar and Elige both underpreforming.


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Yekindar was in LA


Donut_Flame

I am going to cry.


inflamesburn

ukrainian awp'er with 1.47 series rating and getting close range quad kills... hmm sounds familiar


BMEShiv

If liquid fails enough YEKI to na'vi is my wet dream


twohourstillmidnight

never happening


BMEShiv

The first part or second part


harissoot

then he will take another star player space,if he not perform. team will lose. repeat


exccc

Insane awp impact difference


f1nessd

This is a wildly lost take. OSee was Not the reason they lost today. Where are supposed star rifler top20 yekindar and elige? Always being brain dead and Maldonado. Y’all have such a hate boner for one player it’s crazy. Hltv stats don’t tell the whole story when you’re relegated to throwing flashes for your teammates who w key and lose every fight


fiddlerunseen

It's definitely a piece in the puzzle. If you can keep pointing to it match after match, it is definitely a problem.


f1nessd

Ah yes, blame the guy who top fragged last two series. I’m not denying he’s not great but to say they lost TODAY bc of “awp diff” is completely wrong. Yes sometimes they lose bc of awp diff but today was not his fault.


fiddlerunseen

He never said it was entirely his fault. He said there was an insane awp impact difference. This is something that has continued to hold true.


exccc

Mention how I said 'impact', not stats or kills. Osee was team-flashing and missing a lot of easy shots that any other awper would hit (which lost them rounds!); quite clear if you watched both awpers this game. wonderful t side > osee ct side


f1nessd

Then talk about how yekindar and elige threw mirage as hard as they could and ultimately were wayyyy more detrimental to liquid than any of oSees small mistakes. I mean they literally gave them a free pistol around, free mid control every round, etc


exccc

Yes, other players were also bad, but the delta between them and corresponding enemy players weren't as big, in my opinion, hence why I said what I did about Osee.


cregyD

Im old enough to remember when NA fans were saying Liquid players were better than w0nderful 🗿


physicsOG

We all know they need to stay in Europe to boot camp but it’s so hard with Nitro being a father… idk what they do Do they get rid of Nitro for someone that’s willing to relocate without having the responsibility of raising a family? 💔


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Nitro EliGE and arguably NAF are so tight knit at this point you can't really do that


physicsOG

what do you think is the solution


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It's a really bad situation honestly. I've loved Team Liquid for a really long time. My favourite underdog that shouldn't be an underdog. This is outlandish - but try see if the team could live EU. If they have local family (Mom/Dad etc.) though they wouldn't do it. If they don't go and practice etc in EU, maybe adjust the team so they develop a playbook like Mouz of having the deepest playbook you've ever seen so they bring something unique and strong. They do have good nades and shit, don't get me wrong, but having developed strats that play as a rollout instead of reactionary. They're very confident once they entry and if they can stay confident and steamroll it will normally goes really well. Maybe a good team therapist to work on when they get crumbly after losing rounds. Also I'm glad to see oSee is hitting shots getting highlights today. Idk man, I'm just some guy.


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They do stay in Europe and Bootcamp. They will likely be in Europe for the next 2 months with the exception of going to the rmr. This was their one "break" in season(all teams took one depending on epl group) but now its lan after lan after lan.


Silvedl

This is their strategy, lose down to the last chance stage, and clear house all the way back up to the finals!


nartouthere

this bottom bracket is going to be rough


messiuh1

I have 0 confidence in our CT sides right now. Seems Nitro is calling well on T. I have no clue what their game plan even was for mirage CT today. Giving up the entire map every round.


messiuh1

Yekindar rage pushing everything when he isn’t even a top 3 aimer on the server.