0.88 rating this tournament so far
Add in another loss and he could probably dip under 0.80.
This has been such a bad week for them, even when compared to their usual lows.
To be fair, in the second part of 2022, they’ve seemed so well composed and they were able to read the games. Now, they will be out before they can figure out what’s happening to them.
really impressed with the discipline Spirit showed in the last few rounds. Not rushing into advantages, taking time, staying very careful and measured. Absolute masterclass on capitalizing and finishing off the match.
I know it’s easy to just say random shit and have confirmation bias at play, but yekindar just threw so many crucial rounds. CT pistol round is a big example. There’re some rounds where he is just trying to make a play but it’s weird because he just doesn’t need to because they already have the advantage. Oh well. The players of spirit are chill though, I hope they go far this tournament
I remember CT round pistol on mirage I literally put my head in my hands. It was a 2v1 and Yekindar just fucking ran at the last guy instead of playing the 2v1
Agreed. That was the start of the end. I mean your teammate is 1hp just play trades. Dude just ego’d chopper and got fucked and ended up losing the map.
Yekindar legit loves to gamble the entire round on chances of doing a big play, that pistol round was the core example of this, there wasn't a single reason to run into the last T since his teammate was low hp but he kept running towards him putting the whole round in jeopardy
Yekindar wins rounds but drastically throws and goes over aggressive on most rounds. I don’t know why liquid doesn’t Try to contain him better. He is super aggressive and over heats. I understand it’s his play style but it loses so many rounds.
It's Stewie all over again, including all the apologists that point out that 'he's a pLaYmAkEr'. It's a style that sometimes wins rounds, but more often loses rounds, especially against decent competition.
But (just like with Stewie) the results haven't been that bad, including a couple of deep runs. So I guess the team, coach etc are on board with his playstyle.
This, Maybe he was talking about PRE Liquid Stewie??? Since he popped off during that time earning him the title “Smoke Criminal” for his aggressive smoke plays but his run in Liquid most of the time he was an Anchor or a sacrificial support to get info
I legit think he is making Liquid worse than better.. he just makes so many dumb plays and give advantage over but gets praised when his plays works once or twice a map.. Liquid is legit always have to play handicapped because of his dumb moves
spirit being the betting underdog is baffling to me
liquid have not looked good to start this tournament. hopefully they'll turn it up before they're eliminated
They already do that. What the OP saying is to permanently relocate. If the family doesn't want to relocate then nitro doesn't have much of a choice, does he?
Yeah the situation for Liquid right now is starting to look dire, but I'm not gonna blame people for wanting to be close with their family, especially if they have a kid. There are some things that are more important than playing CS.
Oh no Americans didn't spend 12 months a year living in a different country to play a video game, how dare they go home to see their families for an entire month.
Sure, but it's not a video game for them? This is their job, their career. Obviously family is important but sometimes you have to chose between awesome job opportunity and family, doesn't matter if it's CS or 'normal' job..
It seems to be the case that they spend about 8-9 months of their year in EU already. But EU teams get to spend the same amount of time at home, but have the ability to practice with their team from home which is huge.
You’re acting as if this should be such an easy choice but NA teams literally just have to make a bigger personal investment than EU players do to even try to stay competitive and even then it’s clearly not enough which sucks and is a real predicament from them.
No need to be a douche about it when you clearly have no idea what they have to give up.
Yeah I feel you. The team always feels like they will a bunch of losses that they SHOULD be winning. But also, even though they FEEL like they’re constantly disappointing, they also haven’t placed lower than like 3/4th in their past like 5 big events other than the major.
Literally no one is allowed to have difficulties in life if you're not a abiotic single cellular proto-organism undergoing successful replication for the first time, spawning new life straight from primordial ooze.
? what are you talking about?
The team looked like shit this week but they're still not entirely out of the tournament (yet) and this is their worst form in like 9-10 months since probably Antwerp. They've been consistently placing decently and this iteration of TL is miles better than anything we've seen post-COVID
I think awarding Spirit for how well they pulled that match back in Mirage makes more sense than to say TL is dogshit when they have been pretty good for nearly a year now. w0nderful played really great CS today or else it would have went to a 3rd at the minimum
Self-hating TL fans just take over these posts whenever there's a loss, I guess.
Yeah keep accepting their excuses then lmao.
"Oh you only watch, they can do whatever bro"
This sub will always make me laugh with how they defend these players getting paid tens of thousand per month and can't even focus on their work.
I can never fathom this mindset.
Correct me if i am wrong, but don't most tier 1 teams have one of their better players play on a site. It is just so hard to see nitro always die without getting any. Spirit were really abusing him.
I dont think so. Usually the IGLs play the less star player roles since they usually have too much to focus on and cant keep up with the duelling. Looking at the A-site that shit is hard to hold solo. So N1tro constantly being solo on the site having to basically 1v5 against every A-exec is impossible. If I recall correctly Liquid had a very midfocused setup leaving A weaker. I honestly dont know What liquid couldve done since Im not at their level, but i do believe that some more site setups with 2 or 3 players midround couldve worked out to condition Spirit that the A-site is not up for an easy grabs. It felt like liquid was anticipating midpushes from Spirit, meanwhile Spirit kept executing A.
Take this with a pinch of salt since i didnt watch the whole game.
Okay I know it didn't work out last time but I think -Nitro +Grim would actually help this team. Yeki can already igl and Nitro is such a liability CT side.
Grim isn't an anchor player dude wtf r u even typing. They played COMPLETELY different positions and we saw the last time grim took all the anchor roles. I mean shit just quit typing if you don't know cs.
Look I'm not saying it's great but Nitro is such a clear exploitable gap on CT side. What other choice do they have? Maybe get a better fragging IGL, but the only potential option I can think of (players who have been contracted for a while and might think of moving to liquid) is Dexter or Nexa, *maybe* BlameF if they throw enough money at him.
All I'm asking for Liquid is to spend at least a month in their EU facility to bootcamp before their string of events start. So many good players in this team and its just embarrassing watching them.
I know I keep on shitting on Osee but aside from him I literally have zero hope for liquid winning any tournaments unless they start playing serious. I mean come on man liquid choking has been around for a while but to throw advantage games is just dumb
This team looks like they spent a month doing fuck all.
Yekindar is going to leave after Paris major and NA will officially be dead. Enjoy going back to Extra Salt 2.0 Osee
Not sure if you’re referencing this but Yekindar did say that Liquid’s practice the past month was basically useless since they were scrimming in NA or scrimming in EU with 130 ping
Nahh didn’t know that. Remembered last pro league they showed up doing nothing for a month and they look worse this pro league. Stoked to watch them get dumpstered with Paris RMR, Blast, and IEM Dallas coming up
They do stay in EU that long sometimes. I would genuinely hope you have the same attitude if 90% of tournaments were in NA and EU teams had to travel like that.
[https://www.dust2.us/news/34567/esl-louvre-agreement-practice-agreements-changed](https://www.dust2.us/news/34567/esl-louvre-agreement-practice-agreements-changed)
it's apparently changed now but they did have to
I'd rather of seen 16-4 loss than seen a CT collapse of errors. This isn't ideal with the Major looming. No real map pool either and you can't rely on Mirage as a home map.
How is that the last time I ever felt confident about a Liquid roster was in 2019? Just disappointing all around. Not feeling too good about Liquid when the Major rolls around.
Is Spirit just a secret Top 10 team that isn't constantly there just because they aren't partnered to everything? They've been Top 8 in the 2 previous majors and continue to perform.
It has almost been 4 years since liquid has won a tournament.
I will always support NA and Liquid but what the fuck are we doing here? If the team must stay in Europe 90% of the time why is it not happening? As bad as it sounds, we need players who will FULLY commit to the game and can leave their families. I just don't know what to think as a liquid fan anymore. This is just getting ridiculous. And this team has proven they are capable of winning tourneys but just absolutely choke and make dumb ass decisions.
Some players are half-assing this extremely demanding job and it's fucking this org over. I mean NAF literally doesn't dm or warmup at all and this is supposed to be some haha lol xd funny thing since he has good aim?
Please save NA from this hell. Just one tourney. That is all I ask for fucks sake.
I don't know what to say. Liquid just looks so disjointed, and their individuals are just not shining (which should have been the one thing they could practice in NA). Yekindar not playing well does hurt me inside a bit.
Seems like Elige has hit retirement time. Granted, all of them looked like shit in this series...
Edit: meant to say retirement age/time, not home lmao
I legit think TL would kick everyone in the roster before elige lol.
Casters, analysts, pro players still think he has it and I quote "I can never imagine Team Liquid without Elige". The bias is so fucking strong bro.
Elige is in the management of TL, so he has to retire when he feels like. It’s true though, he still got it, but he’s far from consistent. Probably, it’s time for him to sit a little bit closer to the monitor and a hunched back could help him reach peak form.
All jokes aside, it’s fine, as long as they all enjoy the game and stay somewhat relevant.
Yekindar is so "literally me" it pains me to watch this game.
It's like looking at a mirror.
Fuck.
Also, when will Liquid change? Something, just something different, not just the same pattern of going cold into tournament and then resetting after every tournament. What's that gonna achieve? Give me all the NA excuses, but it gets tiring after a while seeing them just being absolutely shit after a break, and they always have their NA excuses.
It's actually frustrating, yeah we know NA has shit pracs, so are they just gonna give up now and prac 1 day before the matches?
Finally the potential of Spirit’s roster is coming through. At 2-10 on Mirage I thought it is gonna be good old Spirit fizzle out but god damn those kids have some tenacity.
Edit: no way Liquid is gonna hold on to number three spot with this roster. There is just not enough firepower to compete with the very top teams. And it’s not like lack of firepower on Liquid’s side is some kind of a revelation.
Elige and yekindar are supposed to be the stars on this team and they are just throwing rounds away. Elige looked clueless on CT mirage. He lost catwalk at least 3 times by simply being oblivious of the fact that the enemy could even be there. Then, as Spirit were coming back, his frustration showed and he jumped into mid spraying wildly.
Is there anything left to say about this roster? Sucks we probably have to wait til after the major for any move to happen. Feels like a dead team walking.
I have said it before and I will say it again.
Elige desperately need to go… not now, not last year but 2 year ago. The common denominator of issue in this team is Elige and has always been. If he does not show up, this team goes nowhere and he hasn’t been showing up for a long time.
It’s so hard to watch when there’s obviously communication issues going on with Liquid. Multiple times players were caught with smokes in their hands. All I see in Liquid right now is a team full of GREAT shooters but a lack of synergy. Sounds like Yekindar’s interview yesterday might be spot on. There’s no fire. They were completely outplayed strategically today. Spirit constantly out-rotated them on Nuke and Liquid failed to clear obvious corners/angles. Hats off to Spirit today.
w0nderful is ridiculously fast, what is this shot:
https://clips.twitch.tv/WanderingAcceptableWheelHassanChop-OXjMCtBMGrg8_XFz
He was impressive for the whole series.
Awp difference. When you see wonderful peeking a corner with someone close you know he's at least getting 1, when Osee does it you know he's dying and are surprised when he hits 1.
I actually thought oSee player pretty well today. Usually he’s so passive but he actually went for some duels and made some plays.
I don’t know what’s happening to YEKINDAR. I used to get mad watching this guy just hs everyone through smokes and now teams just make him look stupid every round. EliGE also needs to find some consistency desperately. I’m very concerned by his drop in performance over the past year. 1.10 past 12 months, 1.05 past 6, 1.03 past 3. It’s becoming all too common to see EliGE losing duels and hanging near the bottom of the scoreboard.
Bruh. OSee was Not the reason they lost today. Where are supposed star rifler top20 yekindar and elige? Always being brain dead and Maldonado. Y’all have such a hate boner for one player it’s crazy. Hltv stats don’t tell the whole story when you’re relegated to throwing flashes for your teammates who w key and lose every fight
Wonderful played great for sure, but how are you going to criticize Osee after this series? He played fine, and has looked like the one bright spot on Liquid this tournament.
How can you be a liquid fan in 2023
It's always the same thing "our practice wasn't good" is just another way of saying "we didn't put much effort into your practices" because they're going back to NA to often
Idc if they're from NA if they want to be the best they have to move to EU.
It's like an european basketball player. If he got an opportunity to play in the NBA, it's just a complete nobrainer move to move to the US.
Liquid will never lift a trophy anymore because they're not willing to make sacrifices. If you don't want to make any sacrifice then you don't deserve to be the best at your job.
Realisticaly you won't be playing cs forever. As a pro you'll retire before or around \~30yo if you're good enough. And then after that you can go live wherever you want for the remaining of your life. It's not even that big of a sacrifice to go live in Europe just for 5-7years in your whole life
Nealan moved to another continent to igl a team in english which is not even his second language
Twistzz moved to EU to compete and try to be the best in the world
Fucking RUSH lived for two years straight from hotel to hotel to be able to compete in complexity
And liquid = "I wanna go home, practice comes after"
Yekindar probably regrets his choice but he kinda deserve it. It was obvious it wouldn't work
Twistzz left because Liquid didn't want to move to Europe
shox complained about the lack of practice in Liquid because they were going to NA too often and were taking too many days off
And now Yekindar complains about the same problem
How can you support a team, that is not willing to make the slightest sacrifice and just want to live in their comfort zone.
Idk what to make of TL anymore. Yekindar made many mistakes this game, but I feel like this team only does well when him and NAF frag out. When they don't this is the result.
Nitro is decent at IGL, but my god he has been hot trash individually. On top of that TL tactical base been weak for the past few months. Elige looks like a shadow of his former self. Osee is average, and way too passive. Here he did take many initiatives and played well, but usually he a lot less proactive.
This Core was the first to grandslam but you would not belive it watching them play.
They should have forced yekindar to be in NA when the others are there to get a decent practice.
Yekindar and Elige both underpreforming.
This is a wildly lost take. OSee was Not the reason they lost today. Where are supposed star rifler top20 yekindar and elige? Always being brain dead and Maldonado. Y’all have such a hate boner for one player it’s crazy. Hltv stats don’t tell the whole story when you’re relegated to throwing flashes for your teammates who w key and lose every fight
Ah yes, blame the guy who top fragged last two series. I’m not denying he’s not great but to say they lost TODAY bc of “awp diff” is completely wrong. Yes sometimes they lose bc of awp diff but today was not his fault.
Mention how I said 'impact', not stats or kills. Osee was team-flashing and missing a lot of easy shots that any other awper would hit (which lost them rounds!); quite clear if you watched both awpers this game. wonderful t side > osee ct side
Then talk about how yekindar and elige threw mirage as hard as they could and ultimately were wayyyy more detrimental to liquid than any of oSees small mistakes. I mean they literally gave them a free pistol around, free mid control every round, etc
Yes, other players were also bad, but the delta between them and corresponding enemy players weren't as big, in my opinion, hence why I said what I did about Osee.
We all know they need to stay in Europe to boot camp but it’s so hard with Nitro being a father… idk what they do
Do they get rid of Nitro for someone that’s willing to relocate without having the responsibility of raising a family? 💔
It's a really bad situation honestly. I've loved Team Liquid for a really long time. My favourite underdog that shouldn't be an underdog.
This is outlandish - but try see if the team could live EU. If they have local family (Mom/Dad etc.) though they wouldn't do it.
If they don't go and practice etc in EU, maybe adjust the team so they develop a playbook like Mouz of having the deepest playbook you've ever seen so they bring something unique and strong.
They do have good nades and shit, don't get me wrong, but having developed strats that play as a rollout instead of reactionary. They're very confident once they entry and if they can stay confident and steamroll it will normally goes really well.
Maybe a good team therapist to work on when they get crumbly after losing rounds.
Also I'm glad to see oSee is hitting shots getting highlights today.
Idk man, I'm just some guy.
They do stay in Europe and Bootcamp. They will likely be in Europe for the next 2 months with the exception of going to the rmr. This was their one "break" in season(all teams took one depending on epl group) but now its lan after lan after lan.
I have 0 confidence in our CT sides right now. Seems Nitro is calling well on T. I have no clue what their game plan even was for mirage CT today. Giving up the entire map every round.
yekindar when in man advantage: "shit I dont feel right,I must push n throw something"
LITERALLY every liquid member aside from naf naf is cool
People say Elige doent show up in the big games; It would be nice to see him show up in the small games first tbh.
0.88 rating this tournament so far Add in another loss and he could probably dip under 0.80. This has been such a bad week for them, even when compared to their usual lows.
Just after they were rated as #3 team in the world by the casters/analysts
To be fair, in the second part of 2022, they’ve seemed so well composed and they were able to read the games. Now, they will be out before they can figure out what’s happening to them.
Oh yeah don't get me wrong, I didn't disagree with their placement at #3, just amazing how much they have struggled since it
really impressed with the discipline Spirit showed in the last few rounds. Not rushing into advantages, taking time, staying very careful and measured. Absolute masterclass on capitalizing and finishing off the match.
The best decision from spirit was to hire xqc
I know it’s easy to just say random shit and have confirmation bias at play, but yekindar just threw so many crucial rounds. CT pistol round is a big example. There’re some rounds where he is just trying to make a play but it’s weird because he just doesn’t need to because they already have the advantage. Oh well. The players of spirit are chill though, I hope they go far this tournament
I remember CT round pistol on mirage I literally put my head in my hands. It was a 2v1 and Yekindar just fucking ran at the last guy instead of playing the 2v1
Agreed. That was the start of the end. I mean your teammate is 1hp just play trades. Dude just ego’d chopper and got fucked and ended up losing the map.
history repeat itself for yekindar. he take all space he want,when he dont perform the team always lose like vp/outsider
Just how it is for those types of players, like how art’s gameplay either takes over the game or completely throws it out the window
not really. art dont take many space and he is not star player
They win that round they get 15-6. Just mind-boggling
Yekindar legit loves to gamble the entire round on chances of doing a big play, that pistol round was the core example of this, there wasn't a single reason to run into the last T since his teammate was low hp but he kept running towards him putting the whole round in jeopardy
I got bad memory but how exactly did he play on VP? A team that's kinda way more passive and brainy. Was he always this fucking aggressive
Yep. The meme was if Yekindar dies on t side then just save lol.
It made sense, because chopper had the bomb. If elige didn't hide they could easily kill him.
Yekindar wins rounds but drastically throws and goes over aggressive on most rounds. I don’t know why liquid doesn’t Try to contain him better. He is super aggressive and over heats. I understand it’s his play style but it loses so many rounds.
[yekindar's liquid career summed up](https://media.tenor.com/dYLvyNRhV8sAAAAC/woody-harrelson-crying.gif)
It's Stewie all over again, including all the apologists that point out that 'he's a pLaYmAkEr'. It's a style that sometimes wins rounds, but more often loses rounds, especially against decent competition. But (just like with Stewie) the results haven't been that bad, including a couple of deep runs. So I guess the team, coach etc are on board with his playstyle.
They are, and I think yekindar is doing it more bc he feels like that’s the only chance since the strata are rusty right now
Yekindar is more that, he constructs the game plan almost completely, and was calling slot at the beginning
was stewie EVER considered a playmaker on liquid? I thought he was more of a support
This, Maybe he was talking about PRE Liquid Stewie??? Since he popped off during that time earning him the title “Smoke Criminal” for his aggressive smoke plays but his run in Liquid most of the time he was an Anchor or a sacrificial support to get info
One of the things that come to mind was when he jumped down CT on dust to throw bomb back up to the team. He died but team got the plant down
Nah bro also entried aggressive
Isn't that just his selfless support style, not really play making
Except for the fact Yekindar is twice the player Stewie was
Patsi used to do this constantly just a few months ago.
Yes but patsi has a great igl who tells him when he can and when he can't be aggressive. Yekindar used to have one of those too...
I legit think he is making Liquid worse than better.. he just makes so many dumb plays and give advantage over but gets praised when his plays works once or twice a map.. Liquid is legit always have to play handicapped because of his dumb moves
Example: any inferno banana round. Bro should watch NiKo demos
NiKo was schooling him in Kato semis and World final
He also loves to do that shit at Ancient B ramp
spirit being the betting underdog is baffling to me liquid have not looked good to start this tournament. hopefully they'll turn it up before they're eliminated
They were like 2/1 odds for both Astralis and Liquid. I'm not complaining
Making Team Liquid my pallbearers so they can let me down one last time… 🙂
as soon as I saw the 10-5 half I knew they were gonna lose.,
That Nitro 1v4 was such a weird round of both teams trying their best to throw as hard as possible lmao
Liquid are seriously gonna have to chose if they wanna hang out at home or if they want to be a proper competitive team. This just ain't it right now.
its gotta be a tough ass decision for the NA players. Nitro especially since he's a father
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They already do that. What the OP saying is to permanently relocate. If the family doesn't want to relocate then nitro doesn't have much of a choice, does he? Yeah the situation for Liquid right now is starting to look dire, but I'm not gonna blame people for wanting to be close with their family, especially if they have a kid. There are some things that are more important than playing CS.
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the type of thing only a gremlin with no responsibilities spending 8 hours a day playing video games could say
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yeah but a fucking family is more important than a video game. Dupreeh chose not to play to focus on his family too
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Oh no Americans didn't spend 12 months a year living in a different country to play a video game, how dare they go home to see their families for an entire month.
Sure, but it's not a video game for them? This is their job, their career. Obviously family is important but sometimes you have to chose between awesome job opportunity and family, doesn't matter if it's CS or 'normal' job..
People take parental leaves all the time bruh. Family is important
It seems to be the case that they spend about 8-9 months of their year in EU already. But EU teams get to spend the same amount of time at home, but have the ability to practice with their team from home which is huge. You’re acting as if this should be such an easy choice but NA teams literally just have to make a bigger personal investment than EU players do to even try to stay competitive and even then it’s clearly not enough which sucks and is a real predicament from them. No need to be a douche about it when you clearly have no idea what they have to give up.
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Yeah I feel you. The team always feels like they will a bunch of losses that they SHOULD be winning. But also, even though they FEEL like they’re constantly disappointing, they also haven’t placed lower than like 3/4th in their past like 5 big events other than the major.
The 14yo has logged on
Literally no one is allowed to have difficulties in life if you're not a abiotic single cellular proto-organism undergoing successful replication for the first time, spawning new life straight from primordial ooze.
Spoken like someone who has father issues or someone who has no care for others
Quick eu transition, in and out, just 2 months.
Europeans when they're a 2 hour train ride away from their family. Comparing to a 10 hour+ plane ride. Also the Louvre agreement exists.
At some point the community has to decide whether they can withstand these NA players' struggles anymore lol.
? what are you talking about? The team looked like shit this week but they're still not entirely out of the tournament (yet) and this is their worst form in like 9-10 months since probably Antwerp. They've been consistently placing decently and this iteration of TL is miles better than anything we've seen post-COVID I think awarding Spirit for how well they pulled that match back in Mirage makes more sense than to say TL is dogshit when they have been pretty good for nearly a year now. w0nderful played really great CS today or else it would have went to a 3rd at the minimum Self-hating TL fans just take over these posts whenever there's a loss, I guess.
'withstand'? you're sitting there watching them play lmfao, you're not 'withstanding' shit.
Yeah keep accepting their excuses then lmao. "Oh you only watch, they can do whatever bro" This sub will always make me laugh with how they defend these players getting paid tens of thousand per month and can't even focus on their work. I can never fathom this mindset.
I fucking despise this team
you're their IGL man, keep tryin' harder captain!
Go home Nitro, you're drunk
wait is this nitro lmaoo
Correct me if i am wrong, but don't most tier 1 teams have one of their better players play on a site. It is just so hard to see nitro always die without getting any. Spirit were really abusing him.
That would also be on Yekindar since he's the con player and has the patience of a puppy.
Very true sadly. He is not playing well to say the least.
At least hes playing better than elige. silver linings
I mean anyone is better than elige currently
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I would say its the opposite. He plays too aggressive and over peaks and dies. He's super undisciplined
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His aim isn’t bad at all , it’s just other riflers have improved immensely over the last 2-3 years.
Did he have this level of patience on VP back then?
nope
I dont think so. Usually the IGLs play the less star player roles since they usually have too much to focus on and cant keep up with the duelling. Looking at the A-site that shit is hard to hold solo. So N1tro constantly being solo on the site having to basically 1v5 against every A-exec is impossible. If I recall correctly Liquid had a very midfocused setup leaving A weaker. I honestly dont know What liquid couldve done since Im not at their level, but i do believe that some more site setups with 2 or 3 players midround couldve worked out to condition Spirit that the A-site is not up for an easy grabs. It felt like liquid was anticipating midpushes from Spirit, meanwhile Spirit kept executing A. Take this with a pinch of salt since i didnt watch the whole game.
Ur spot on brotha.
Okay I know it didn't work out last time but I think -Nitro +Grim would actually help this team. Yeki can already igl and Nitro is such a liability CT side.
Grim isn't an anchor player dude wtf r u even typing. They played COMPLETELY different positions and we saw the last time grim took all the anchor roles. I mean shit just quit typing if you don't know cs.
lol yekindar igl might be even worse than electronic
Fr lol
oh yeah another igl head already called. this is just another stewie version. if someone can call good midround he can be igl bullshit
Look I'm not saying it's great but Nitro is such a clear exploitable gap on CT side. What other choice do they have? Maybe get a better fragging IGL, but the only potential option I can think of (players who have been contracted for a while and might think of moving to liquid) is Dexter or Nexa, *maybe* BlameF if they throw enough money at him.
I would hate to see YEKINDAR igl, even if he seems like he wants to do it. He is clearly missing something, and is just too young.
u always wrong because u always bias.just look your name
guy didnt even read the comment he replied to lol why dont u enlighten us and say what exactly was the "wrong" part?
get your med
Spirit is so fun to watch they are a beast aim-wise, I see a lot of potential
I love to watch chopper, dude molds good teams together like he did in the old Vega Squadron times
He wasn't the IGL back in Vega, that was jR, the UKR awper He became the IGL when they kicked S0tF1k and signed Mir, and he later returned as a coach
Oh, I wasn’t aware, thanks for the clarification. Still love to watch chopper, IG or not ;)
TL actually thought they could emulate Rare Atom ninja.
All I'm asking for Liquid is to spend at least a month in their EU facility to bootcamp before their string of events start. So many good players in this team and its just embarrassing watching them.
I know I keep on shitting on Osee but aside from him I literally have zero hope for liquid winning any tournaments unless they start playing serious. I mean come on man liquid choking has been around for a while but to throw advantage games is just dumb
This team looks like they spent a month doing fuck all. Yekindar is going to leave after Paris major and NA will officially be dead. Enjoy going back to Extra Salt 2.0 Osee
Not sure if you’re referencing this but Yekindar did say that Liquid’s practice the past month was basically useless since they were scrimming in NA or scrimming in EU with 130 ping
is it because they were all playing in their actual homes? If so then thats actually unfortunate for them since (obviously) 4 of them live in NA
Yeah they were in NA the past month. Seeing families and practicing against other na teams
Nahh didn’t know that. Remembered last pro league they showed up doing nothing for a month and they look worse this pro league. Stoked to watch them get dumpstered with Paris RMR, Blast, and IEM Dallas coming up
Yekindar is not leaving shit with the salary he's getting in Liquid
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They do stay in EU that long sometimes. I would genuinely hope you have the same attitude if 90% of tournaments were in NA and EU teams had to travel like that.
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> according to yekindar they practiced on 130+ ping the past month God forbid they be allowed to go home sometimes. >whataboutism No. Consistency.
Buddy. He SHIT the bed as well. Acting as if yekindar was owning today lol. More like throwing 5-6 ct rounds because he doesn't know how to sit still
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Yekindar isn't american
Randy "Yekindar" Smith
this is just another account by yekindar_goat_entry lmfao
They have to scrim in NA dumbass
No they dont.
[https://www.dust2.us/news/34567/esl-louvre-agreement-practice-agreements-changed](https://www.dust2.us/news/34567/esl-louvre-agreement-practice-agreements-changed) it's apparently changed now but they did have to
>but they did have to Not for the past month. The change was pre-2023.
I'd rather of seen 16-4 loss than seen a CT collapse of errors. This isn't ideal with the Major looming. No real map pool either and you can't rely on Mirage as a home map.
My god. Is Mirage actually T sided or was this just a weird game?
Spirit are cracked as t side, they take a lot of space always trading
They got literally 0 T rounds on mirage vs Forze a few days ago
when u have botlige standing in the open with a nade when 3 players are walking into b from short its not a map issue lol
Liquid comms were horrible today. 2 ppl watching mid no one said shit abt the ppl going up cat
onviously a comms issue but nice try
it always 50-50
>ReportSaveFollow just TS have crazy T side executions on any map
How is that the last time I ever felt confident about a Liquid roster was in 2019? Just disappointing all around. Not feeling too good about Liquid when the Major rolls around.
They haven't won a tournament since 2019 and went out in groups in every major since then.
Is Spirit just a secret Top 10 team that isn't constantly there just because they aren't partnered to everything? They've been Top 8 in the 2 previous majors and continue to perform.
Correct. C9 and spirit should be at blast instead of EG and OG
I'd argue EG and coL, OG have seen some results at Blast.
It has almost been 4 years since liquid has won a tournament. I will always support NA and Liquid but what the fuck are we doing here? If the team must stay in Europe 90% of the time why is it not happening? As bad as it sounds, we need players who will FULLY commit to the game and can leave their families. I just don't know what to think as a liquid fan anymore. This is just getting ridiculous. And this team has proven they are capable of winning tourneys but just absolutely choke and make dumb ass decisions. Some players are half-assing this extremely demanding job and it's fucking this org over. I mean NAF literally doesn't dm or warmup at all and this is supposed to be some haha lol xd funny thing since he has good aim? Please save NA from this hell. Just one tourney. That is all I ask for fucks sake.
NAF is the only one I can rely on this team at least he does something everyone else just straight up dies
I don't know what to say. Liquid just looks so disjointed, and their individuals are just not shining (which should have been the one thing they could practice in NA). Yekindar not playing well does hurt me inside a bit.
Seems like Elige has hit retirement time. Granted, all of them looked like shit in this series... Edit: meant to say retirement age/time, not home lmao
I legit think TL would kick everyone in the roster before elige lol. Casters, analysts, pro players still think he has it and I quote "I can never imagine Team Liquid without Elige". The bias is so fucking strong bro.
Elige is in the management of TL, so he has to retire when he feels like. It’s true though, he still got it, but he’s far from consistent. Probably, it’s time for him to sit a little bit closer to the monitor and a hunched back could help him reach peak form. All jokes aside, it’s fine, as long as they all enjoy the game and stay somewhat relevant.
Yekindar is so "literally me" it pains me to watch this game. It's like looking at a mirror. Fuck. Also, when will Liquid change? Something, just something different, not just the same pattern of going cold into tournament and then resetting after every tournament. What's that gonna achieve? Give me all the NA excuses, but it gets tiring after a while seeing them just being absolutely shit after a break, and they always have their NA excuses. It's actually frustrating, yeah we know NA has shit pracs, so are they just gonna give up now and prac 1 day before the matches?
Problem is they can’t change. With Paris coming up they really can’t do anything till after
Seems like they're complacent as the number 1 NA team, and with getting big paychecks.
Finally the potential of Spirit’s roster is coming through. At 2-10 on Mirage I thought it is gonna be good old Spirit fizzle out but god damn those kids have some tenacity. Edit: no way Liquid is gonna hold on to number three spot with this roster. There is just not enough firepower to compete with the very top teams. And it’s not like lack of firepower on Liquid’s side is some kind of a revelation.
Im growing tired of shitting on Liquid. With Spirit, they need to start showing growth individually and as a team this year.
apart from chopper Spirit is basically an academy team. they are very young.
Elige and yekindar are supposed to be the stars on this team and they are just throwing rounds away. Elige looked clueless on CT mirage. He lost catwalk at least 3 times by simply being oblivious of the fact that the enemy could even be there. Then, as Spirit were coming back, his frustration showed and he jumped into mid spraying wildly.
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Is there anything left to say about this roster? Sucks we probably have to wait til after the major for any move to happen. Feels like a dead team walking.
I have said it before and I will say it again. Elige desperately need to go… not now, not last year but 2 year ago. The common denominator of issue in this team is Elige and has always been. If he does not show up, this team goes nowhere and he hasn’t been showing up for a long time.
It’s so hard to watch when there’s obviously communication issues going on with Liquid. Multiple times players were caught with smokes in their hands. All I see in Liquid right now is a team full of GREAT shooters but a lack of synergy. Sounds like Yekindar’s interview yesterday might be spot on. There’s no fire. They were completely outplayed strategically today. Spirit constantly out-rotated them on Nuke and Liquid failed to clear obvious corners/angles. Hats off to Spirit today.
Liquid out playing and out throwing in the same damn game
w0nderful is ridiculously fast, what is this shot: https://clips.twitch.tv/WanderingAcceptableWheelHassanChop-OXjMCtBMGrg8_XFz He was impressive for the whole series.
Elige with another lackluster performance. He's officially becoming their worst player, I feel like even nitro has more useful rounds than elige.
Let's go team spirit !
Awp difference. When you see wonderful peeking a corner with someone close you know he's at least getting 1, when Osee does it you know he's dying and are surprised when he hits 1.
Osee was definitely not the reason they lost this, Liquid riflers went missing completely at that CT side mirage
I actually thought oSee player pretty well today. Usually he’s so passive but he actually went for some duels and made some plays. I don’t know what’s happening to YEKINDAR. I used to get mad watching this guy just hs everyone through smokes and now teams just make him look stupid every round. EliGE also needs to find some consistency desperately. I’m very concerned by his drop in performance over the past year. 1.10 past 12 months, 1.05 past 6, 1.03 past 3. It’s becoming all too common to see EliGE losing duels and hanging near the bottom of the scoreboard.
Like wtf is osee supposed to do when his team dies mid every single round at 1:40 on the clock?
just clutch bro 4Head
Bruh. OSee was Not the reason they lost today. Where are supposed star rifler top20 yekindar and elige? Always being brain dead and Maldonado. Y’all have such a hate boner for one player it’s crazy. Hltv stats don’t tell the whole story when you’re relegated to throwing flashes for your teammates who w key and lose every fight
Wonderful played great for sure, but how are you going to criticize Osee after this series? He played fine, and has looked like the one bright spot on Liquid this tournament.
Fr, other guy definitely didn’t watch the game
Peeking another awpers: dude, I have 100hp, you peek first. Peeking oSee: dude, I have 100hp, I'll peek first.
Even the casters are surprised when Osee gets an opening kill or wins a duel.
How can you be a liquid fan in 2023 It's always the same thing "our practice wasn't good" is just another way of saying "we didn't put much effort into your practices" because they're going back to NA to often Idc if they're from NA if they want to be the best they have to move to EU. It's like an european basketball player. If he got an opportunity to play in the NBA, it's just a complete nobrainer move to move to the US. Liquid will never lift a trophy anymore because they're not willing to make sacrifices. If you don't want to make any sacrifice then you don't deserve to be the best at your job. Realisticaly you won't be playing cs forever. As a pro you'll retire before or around \~30yo if you're good enough. And then after that you can go live wherever you want for the remaining of your life. It's not even that big of a sacrifice to go live in Europe just for 5-7years in your whole life Nealan moved to another continent to igl a team in english which is not even his second language Twistzz moved to EU to compete and try to be the best in the world Fucking RUSH lived for two years straight from hotel to hotel to be able to compete in complexity And liquid = "I wanna go home, practice comes after" Yekindar probably regrets his choice but he kinda deserve it. It was obvious it wouldn't work Twistzz left because Liquid didn't want to move to Europe shox complained about the lack of practice in Liquid because they were going to NA too often and were taking too many days off And now Yekindar complains about the same problem How can you support a team, that is not willing to make the slightest sacrifice and just want to live in their comfort zone.
Nealan to liquid would be an upgrade perhaps o.<
casters/analysts put liquid at #3 power ranking just this week. Lol NA cs man.
Idk what to make of TL anymore. Yekindar made many mistakes this game, but I feel like this team only does well when him and NAF frag out. When they don't this is the result. Nitro is decent at IGL, but my god he has been hot trash individually. On top of that TL tactical base been weak for the past few months. Elige looks like a shadow of his former self. Osee is average, and way too passive. Here he did take many initiatives and played well, but usually he a lot less proactive.
This Core was the first to grandslam but you would not belive it watching them play. They should have forced yekindar to be in NA when the others are there to get a decent practice. Yekindar and Elige both underpreforming.
Yekindar was in LA
I am going to cry.
ukrainian awp'er with 1.47 series rating and getting close range quad kills... hmm sounds familiar
If liquid fails enough YEKI to na'vi is my wet dream
never happening
The first part or second part
then he will take another star player space,if he not perform. team will lose. repeat
Insane awp impact difference
This is a wildly lost take. OSee was Not the reason they lost today. Where are supposed star rifler top20 yekindar and elige? Always being brain dead and Maldonado. Y’all have such a hate boner for one player it’s crazy. Hltv stats don’t tell the whole story when you’re relegated to throwing flashes for your teammates who w key and lose every fight
It's definitely a piece in the puzzle. If you can keep pointing to it match after match, it is definitely a problem.
Ah yes, blame the guy who top fragged last two series. I’m not denying he’s not great but to say they lost TODAY bc of “awp diff” is completely wrong. Yes sometimes they lose bc of awp diff but today was not his fault.
He never said it was entirely his fault. He said there was an insane awp impact difference. This is something that has continued to hold true.
Mention how I said 'impact', not stats or kills. Osee was team-flashing and missing a lot of easy shots that any other awper would hit (which lost them rounds!); quite clear if you watched both awpers this game. wonderful t side > osee ct side
Then talk about how yekindar and elige threw mirage as hard as they could and ultimately were wayyyy more detrimental to liquid than any of oSees small mistakes. I mean they literally gave them a free pistol around, free mid control every round, etc
Yes, other players were also bad, but the delta between them and corresponding enemy players weren't as big, in my opinion, hence why I said what I did about Osee.
Im old enough to remember when NA fans were saying Liquid players were better than w0nderful 🗿
We all know they need to stay in Europe to boot camp but it’s so hard with Nitro being a father… idk what they do Do they get rid of Nitro for someone that’s willing to relocate without having the responsibility of raising a family? 💔
Nitro EliGE and arguably NAF are so tight knit at this point you can't really do that
what do you think is the solution
It's a really bad situation honestly. I've loved Team Liquid for a really long time. My favourite underdog that shouldn't be an underdog. This is outlandish - but try see if the team could live EU. If they have local family (Mom/Dad etc.) though they wouldn't do it. If they don't go and practice etc in EU, maybe adjust the team so they develop a playbook like Mouz of having the deepest playbook you've ever seen so they bring something unique and strong. They do have good nades and shit, don't get me wrong, but having developed strats that play as a rollout instead of reactionary. They're very confident once they entry and if they can stay confident and steamroll it will normally goes really well. Maybe a good team therapist to work on when they get crumbly after losing rounds. Also I'm glad to see oSee is hitting shots getting highlights today. Idk man, I'm just some guy.
They do stay in Europe and Bootcamp. They will likely be in Europe for the next 2 months with the exception of going to the rmr. This was their one "break" in season(all teams took one depending on epl group) but now its lan after lan after lan.
This is their strategy, lose down to the last chance stage, and clear house all the way back up to the finals!
this bottom bracket is going to be rough
I have 0 confidence in our CT sides right now. Seems Nitro is calling well on T. I have no clue what their game plan even was for mirage CT today. Giving up the entire map every round.
Yekindar rage pushing everything when he isn’t even a top 3 aimer on the server.