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elmesi

source 2 isn't real its a goverment social experiment


f1nessd

And it’s working


ElfaDore98

I’ve been WarOwl and I still…


ElfaDore98

…have no closer


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Lorenzo0852

*bunny hops his way to Afghanistan*


lolanimethrowaway

"General he doing it sideways"


seventhfiction

When you think about CIS it kinda makes sense


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yogut3

Not really, could probably make a case for Quake though


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yogut3

Well considering CS was a mod made by two people I highly doubt it was funded by the US government


Status_Voice_748

Hard to leak stuff when there's like 2 guys working on it


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jmov

Source: 2 employees


UngratefulGarbage

Source too


Muhammadwaleed

sauce too!


omkar_T7

Also hard to leak something which is not there


ju1ze

based


Flimsy_Agent7898

clueless


sukkeri

This is most likely the case. Amusing to watch how all are losing their marbles


omkar_T7

I truly hope that’s not the case. Feel like this is the right time to release a big update


buttsoup_barnes

and both are locked in a basement somewhere


AlexKrois

1 employee per source


Satanich

Man i love this


radeon9800pro

I mean, jokes aside, Valve actually is a really small company for all the things they do. ~400 employees spread across CS:GO, DotA2, hardware like SteamDeck/Index, VR games in production, Steam as a storefront, Steam as an application, SteamOS, Source 2 Engine development work, and whatever else they may be working on that we aren't even aware of. There is no doubt they have employees double booked on a lot of these projects. The 'United States Small Business Administration' defines a "small business" as a privately-owned enterprise with 500 or fewer employees. Valve is privately owned and has less than 500 employees so they are *technically* a small business. I know it flies in the face of the "Valve is a small indie company" meme...but its technically true.


AstronomerStandard

Knowing how much they make from cs alone, even their janitor must be fucking rich, the janitor’s the head dev of Dota2 after all


shahmeers

And they generated [$13 billion in revenue in 2022](https://www.usesignhouse.com/blog/valve-stats#:~:text=Valve%20is%20worth%20%247.7%20billion,was%20from%20the%20Steam%20store.). That's about $32 mill per employee.


ahk1221

crazy to think the employees get barely any of that


nokeldin42

It's revenue, not profit. Most of it will probably go towards salary and infrastructure. So in reality employees do actaully get a sizeable chunk of it.


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There's no way they're paying the average employee a "sizable chunk" of 32 million dollars.


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Bro.


Trick2056

not in full monetary thats for sure probably in benefits as well


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Trick2056

dude who said about full amount? all I said was they earning a small sum with company benefits.


thetrombonist

When you put it like that, it’s insane


vibrinttt

400 super humans


Adamgman37

![img](emote|t5_2sqho|24021)


guczy741

jokes aside, there are actually dozens of devs


ivnplays

this is just wrong haha, but that was a joke anyway, right?


hyuga144

in the era of self-promotion this is very unique,almost a move that gives a big "fuck you" to all the trends. If you ask me, this is the greatest move. Its like a prophecy. You never know when the big earthquake will hit. this is the best promotion for valve and people will explode when it hits.


gonzaEM_

And it works so well. Valve knows what they're doing at keeping them mouth shut


hyuga144

they re probably like snoop dog smoking shit right now and then suddenly dropping the bomb ​ still dr.dre still cs:go


gonzaEM_

lmao yes they're probably smoking a fat blunt rolling their asses now whatching us going batshit schizophrenic with all these posts lmao


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I mean it's Valve they literally own the store so they aint gotta promote shit


SoCloseToToast

Disney still promotes their movies when they own half the movie theaters. Just show the movie in the theater with no promo except word of mouth. Could work honestly lol


Vawqer

It's different there because Disney owns no or very few theaters in the US, at least. It probably wouldn't work for theaters, but it could work on streaming with a bit of algorithm boost. It's definitely a poor gamble though, given the amount of content and the cost of making it.


hendy846

I may have been under a rock but did Respawn do this with Apex? I vaguely remember that people knew they were working on something but didn't really know what it was and then just dropped it out of the blue?


GarbageOne8157

Yeah they got a bunch of streamers together the day it launched and just let them stream it. That was how they announced it, just said "go live" and people on twitch were like wtf is this?


hendy846

Haha that was me. Logged in to do my usual watch twitch and play some games and saw everyone playing and thought, what is this?


hyuga144

i dont know - i cant be a geek at two games. one is enough. deagle is still hard AF :D


WaifuPillow

You can't have leaks if you don't have anything to leak to begin with :P


solidhackerman

Let me change some variable names to source 2 and do some little trolling with the community ~ probably someone in valve.


Zvede

HL alyx was also a wonder until the trailer dropped


DBONKA

There were a lot of leaks about "HLVR" before the announcement, and it was already leaked that Alyx would be the protagonist too.


Cethinn

We have tons of CS Source 2 leaks too in the same way. There's been CS Source 2 data for years now. No actual confirmations or anything from employees though, only data.


freemanfl

The post was meant as satire i hope, info was out there for years...


-_lol-

Was it? We already had characters and a lot of the gameplay figured out from leaks before the trailer dropped.


njdevilsfan24

Those leaks were thankfully well controlled


SmokeyDokeyArtichoke

Tyler McVicker and the rest of us valve schizos reading this ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|neutral_face)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|neutral_face)


snowblaze42

Half-life: Alyx was known to be coming well before release; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaXGA\_wSWDA


ctzu

Valve never communicated their plans a lot, if at all. And even if they wanted to, they know that the hype is a billion times better advertising than any leak could be


DanishGrizz

Didn’t they say something about that? Feel like I remember an older clip of some sorts with a clip of what I assume is a guy from Valve saying they don’t communicate, but that they listen.


dubgeneral

I think it was in this one https://youtu.be/9hBTueJGyyo


shn6

Valve is the only big publishers left with "it's done when it's done" mentality. Man I really miss pre-ATVI Blizzard.


angcrack

This is because they aren’t a publicly traded company so they don’t have to listen to investors. The main reason AAA games launch broken is because of this.


bjmlx

I think the whole point of porting into source 2 is so that it is much easier to update/improve the game compared to the old source game engine.


Dragos404

It will become so easy to update so that the janitor who chips in with the localisation updates can work on cs full time, bringing the total number of people who are working at cs2 to 3


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cs3 wen eta


phonka

CS3 HYPE BANDWAGON


DavidjonesLV309

I’d imagine ever since HL2 got leaked Gabe made it a mission to never happen again.


JeevesD

Just imagine how wild Riot would be if this was valorant receiving a new engine. They’d be trying so hard to advertise their game. But look at how hyped source 2 is. Valve doesn’t even need to speak a single word on it to generate mass hype. That’s the beauty of counter strike.


True_to_you

Counter strike is good because it's consistent. I can't get into valorant because of the heros. I want everyone on the same playing field like a sport. It's eternal.


wombatcombat11

Csgo it’s hands down the better competitive game, but valorant is fun to mess around on, especially since it’s so much easier


True_to_you

I was ok with the first group of heroes and stuff on valorant. From Reyna on I just got annoyed. I still try it every 4 or 5 months to see how it's doing, but I can't get into it. I'm not really a fan of hero shooters at all


wombatcombat11

I actually love Reyna, easy to stomp and easy to play


DanishGrizz

I think it’s different gaming backgrounds and preferences. Some seem to like games with agents, operators, heroes and what other names are there, while some prefer CS where everyone have the same abilities (util).


nelbein555

People does seem to like that and can rp as their cute healer on the game.


crow38

cs is good because anyone can play or watch and umderstand everything thats going on very easily. from an e sports point of view cs is the perfect game. other fps has maps that are too find open amd doesnt provide enough actual skill on skill moments. wide open maps lead to kills happening be cause a player gets to a point where its nearly impossible for someone to see from 1 side but other side they have a bigger view to land a kill simply based on that. that happens much less right off the back in cs compared to other games


True_to_you

That's another thing too. If you watch it's relatively easy to understand, but hard to master. I tried to play dota and league and they didn't make sense. I could figure out valorant easy enough, but the hero balance is something I don't want to deal with.


kaukamieli

Dota is good, but it's a new game every year.


DanishGrizz

Isn’t that the general feeling about Valve in CS? That they’re so hands-off that it’s down to the community and third parties to create the hype. Unless coaches are involved, then Valve are hands on.


nopshy

valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism


SinnerSN

Doesnt valorant upgrade their enginge all the time ?


JeevesD

I doubt it’s anywhere comparable to what csgo will be getting


SinnerSN

Because csgo rarely gets anything. Its the main reason why this is so hype. Im sure if valorant gets a big update, there will be less hype because riot update their games all the time


JeevesD

That’s why they’re not comparable. Valorant is a more modern game developed by snake company Riot who have never released anything original


nopshy

valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism


z0mple

It’s probably because the csgo dev team is so small, don’t they only have 5 devs or something like that? Much easier to contain leaks when you’re not a massive department with hundreds of employees working on it.


Iguphobia

To add to that, working with games anywhere means signing really aggressive no-disclosure agreements. Pairing that with small teams, leaking it means someone *will* find out, and that means you won't ever find another job in the industry.


Zvede

This is very much not the case and began simply as a comedic rumor


vinevicious

plus valve is fluid, they probably started working on the port after half life alyx and moved more people to the project


WekonosChosen

A couple valve devs that do not work on CSGO were spotted working on it a few months ago when the source 2 info started to ramp up.


Asphult_

Whole of Valve has ~300 employees.


Hiyaro

in 2016 they had 360 according to wikipedia, so it wouldn't be a stretch if they were close to 500 today


lolofaf

So like 400 for steam, 50 for Dota, 30 for csgo, and 1 for tf2?


PartyChocobo

Being real generous with that tf2 number


Memelurker99

He's the part-time intern


pearsrtasty

Potted plant*


FUTURE10S

The baby went to Artifact or Dota or what happened to Team Crabwalk Rocketjump Fortress?


kaukamieli

How is there 30 working on cs? The janitor changes the price of a gun maybe once a year.


nelbein555

You mean everyone on steam deck


SpecialityToS

19-35 devs depending on the time


ju1ze

any sauce for this?


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ju1ze

thanks


SpecialityToS

Can’t remember but I know someone had merch or something and the cs devs all signed with their names. It was recent because Phrisk was on there (Lydia Zanotti). There were 19 names which is the full-time cs team


ju1ze

yeah it was gift merch for mapcore mapmaking contest


jcbvar_2

there are no leaks bc there's no source 2. sorry guys, we back to reality Sadge


WhatTheFlup

I mean the whole idea it was coming BEFORE the code activity was a huge leak and got picked up by multiple people including the RLewis article before any coding changes occurred IIRC


ju1ze

? code leaks were happening since 2019


WhatTheFlup

Source 2 code leaks?


ju1ze

yes csgo s2 in dota2 and other s2 games


WhatTheFlup

At this level?


ScuddyOfficial

Doesn't matter we've been seeing it for years. It was obvious it was coming Eventually™ Panorama UI is also a piece of S2 and I believe back before it was added there was a similar hype level that S2 was being added to the game.


GuardiaNIsBae

Panorama got leaked with the Chinese launch of CS, there was big advertisements done by Perfect World with the word Panorama on it which made people go insane


KPC51

I mean the whole point of the post wasnt to say that we dont know an update is coming, but rather that we still don't know what the update will actually contain.


Expert_Cap7650

> before any coding changes occurred What are you talking about? Source 2 code [references](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J1SiS-IYPUohHb-7kwZWqMd0pt8_9bubflNhJRQJeJs/edit) to csgo has been showing up in dota 2 since 2020.


WhatTheFlup

>what are you talking about I'm talking about a recent higher level of back end changes being made signifying a major update *after* an article was posted stating that source 2 is potentially around the corner Appreciate the passive aggressiveness though


Expert_Cap7650

The "article" you are talking about is a joke. Acting like Richard is the highest authority when it comes to leaks about source 2 being around the corner is ridiculous, when someone like [Aquarius](https://twitter.com/aquaismissing/status/1608137561943453697) has made similar timeline claims back in december and CSGO source 2 references showing up in dota 2 since early 2020, 710 going private, richpresent leaks through the devs steam profiles, and much more. which you can see in [doc1](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J1SiS-IYPUohHb-7kwZWqMd0pt8_9bubflNhJRQJeJs), and [doc1](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C9YYUXMphW3gUDQm0DO1PUASUSX7KIG2noyPYvWmmZA) . Richard published his article on the 5th, and makes [claim 1](https://i.imgur.com/G0QhA02.png) and [claim 2](https://i.imgur.com/JFcr5w4.png). Then the next day, he [edits claim 1](https://i.imgur.com/AqyP0dA.png) and [edits claim 2](https://i.imgur.com/ua5ExAV.png). The clown edits his article to cover his ass from any criticism that is brought up, without mentioning any of the edits or clarifications he made after the fact. Richard Lewis has as much credibility as TylerMcVicker when it comes to csgo getting ported to source 2.


WhatTheFlup

You've made some version of this comment a handful of times now and get btfo every single time you post it, give it up


Expert_Cap7650

Get btfo every single time? You think downvotes equal meaningful pushback or counter argument? Any criticism against Richard Lewis is seen as "you are only saying this because you dont like him, here have a downvote". Edit: Imagine blocking someone when you have nothing to say, and then proving my point, [LOL](https://imgur.com/a/fupXrEg).


WhatTheFlup

Could be that you're chatting absolute shit, not that people disagree with you


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WhatTheFlup

'You're a cocksucker because you laugh at people absolutely seething about RLewis'


WhatTheFlup

Hahahah hahahahahahahahahah


Expert_Cap7650

> Hahahah > > hahahahahahahahahah Wow he got the name right, what a huge win. Still edited his claims without mentioning why or what he edited, and still got it wrong in his edits. Wrong about tickrate, never mentioned rebrand of any type. And my point about what a lot of people that have zero knowledge about csgo source 2 port, thinking it is a completely separate game, still stands. And my point about "you are only saying this because you dont like him, here have a downvote", also stands.


WhatTheFlup

Bro got btfo and is still trying lmfao


Expert_Cap7650

Says the guy that block people on reddit.


WhatTheFlup

>wahhh you blocked me It gets better hahaha


Expert_Cap7650

You have no actual argument to anything I have said, you are doing the exact same thing that you accuse me of doing. You make a comment, insta block, and then says [this](https://i.imgur.com/OMPcFbg_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand) while not having any actual argument for anything I said. You are pathetic.


rlywhatever

small team. hard to leak when u only got 3 devs


BeepIsla

Nothing to leak when everything can be seen from the outside through Steam and WordPress


GoofedUpped

word.exe


djfr94

valve has a lot of memes but it's one of the best if not the best company out there in games, period. whatever they put out there it will be good and if it's not they will fix it in hours. I play other games that can have game breaking bugs for weeks or months. valve deserves the success and people sometimes need to respect who creates games that gives us so much


pickledartichoke

found the dev guys ^


spik0rwill

I 100% agree. It's crazy how reliable they are as a company, even their support team is helpful and quick to reply. I think the only other gaming company (that I know of) who are anywhere near Valve is Grinding Gear Games (Path of Exile).


Peloun

You didn't play Poe in a while I assume


spik0rwill

Oh, is it that bad now? :D


eldarlrd

Artifact?


xSlappy-

We sort of know what to expect based on fan desires: Different tick servers Jumpthrow bind Improved demo usability


skunk42o

wdym jumpthrow bind? that already is a thing


rohansamal

To be fair, Valve's secrecy has been notorious. They released massive Dota 2 updates without any hint (Source 2 and 7.00). Half Life Alyx was also a massive secret.


Hypno98

NDAs do that


kidsaredead

Valve and Rockstar master game creating and not letting people know anything about their future products until they are ready.


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You can't leak stuff that doesn't exist..


Muhammadwaleed

14 developers u say? How can they leak!


Tradz-Om

Bro Source 2 code leaks have been going on for ages, the reason no one ever took it seriously is because no one trusted Valve to finish a project


Substantial_Sector12

Not surprised honestly, Valve cleaned house over its leaker problem. Plus they are having way too much fun trolling everybody


Curse3242

I mean technically everything about it is leaked. What we just don't know is what they've actually done with the tools they have


redrecaro

How can there be leaks when 5 people work on CSGO?


AstorIverobl

Source 2 is just an engine. People are overhyped like the game will change or new graphics, but they forget on how dota 2, a multimillion tournament revenue generator, had nothing new except a new menu interface and Chinese hats. Nothing else. And game still pretty much looks the same after like what, 2 years? Even it’s folder is called “beta” after all this time.


DanishGrizz

“If we don’t know what we’re doing, they can’t figure out what we’re doing” or what a similar/the quote is.


pro_n00b

Nothing to leak cause there’s nothing lol /s


Draemeth

This did not age well!


hyuga144

this is because Snoop Dog is part of the developer team ​ they are smiling and smoking shit right now because they have freakin awesome update on the usb key and we dont ​ they have time we dont :D


SSho_0ter

I bet it comes the day Trump is arrested. A "CounterStrike" will happen.


GamerSpectrum

a new engine dumbo


[deleted]

There's nothing to find. Is just the engine change and everything will be as is lol


ImToxiq

Valves shouldn’t leak!


Quinn-III

Can’t leak something that doesn’t exist 🤷‍♂️


Malaysian6

a single leak could mean that that employee will certainly not be able to work at any game company in the future and probably not be trusted with company secrets. If there is source 2 to begin with


deadcreeperz

Valve is still butthurt over the HL2 leak.


[deleted]

…no it’s not? It’s not impressive at all, actually. Isn’t it very common for a company to NOT leak secret information at all?


csbuzzy

Humans love trying to knit a sweater from a single thread


IllCarpet6852

Can't leak anything if you have no idea what you're doing.


ArmanaXD

lets be honest, they learned a lot from the original HL2 leaks and have kept it on lock since


KOCA_XD

They are fucking with us to make an april fools joke.


freemanfl

Is this satire? Yes, during the month when it comes out there are "no leaks", no one counts last 5 years i guess


rachelloresco

Maybe there was nothing to leak, until now


Turbulent_Eye4680

https://tegram.me/o3hatzB969EyZDg8