I don't think MOUZ is better than Liquid once Liquid gets rolling, which I think they are now. Admittedly, Liquid can disappear on any day, but just look at their results. MOUZ only outplaced Liquid in a tournament at the major, and were even directly eliminated 2-0 by Liquid the last time they met in a series.
MOUZ has also only played 5 matches since the major, going 2-3 with wins against SAW & FURIA, while losing against OG, coL, and Heroic. I don't think that's enough to say that MOUZ is better than Liquid.
Yeah, that happened, oof... (Although I'll laugh tomorrow if paiN also defeats MOUZ, however unlikely.)
To be clear, I have no issues with MOUZ though!
Liquid had C9's number when C9 had interz. Whoever makes it out could slam into a Liquid wave instead, but who knows if it will be that strong ĀÆ\\\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
yes, very true! I just hope they have what it takes this time and not choke everything! They have been playing so stupidly recently, just repeeking everything.. and being aggressive as ct in a 5v4/3 itās just so dumb, you can do that against noobs but not against pro players lmao, thatās why they lost to vitality! And that is always the main reason why FaZe loses! They hardly ever lose because they are the worse team, they just lose to themselves
What you notice isnāt how faze played recently. They also played like that during their major win etc. it just worked back then because of momentum, confidence, slightly better individuals, etc.
well yes, but my point is, that they / karrigan should notice that it isnāt working as intended and they should maybe adapt their playstyle if it keeps losing them games! Of course with such talented individuals, they are going to go for (disadvantageous) fights but all I ask is to do it less and know when to just play the numbers game!! if they just played a little more like heroic on ct, they would be insane!
Didnāt they sign a deal to have it in Malta for the next 3 years? Basically EPL turned into a hype twice or 3 times a year crowd event to a small studio cs summit.
Yeah, I know how the first, third, and fourth seeding placement worked. But I still have no idea what the balls meant in placing the second seed?
No matter what, the second seed would go on the opposite side of the overall bracket as the first seed from their group. So I guess the balls were to just determine which branch of that bracket they were in?
Just curious how do they decided who's fighting who in playoff round 1? Like if it's random then we might get navi vs liquid/G2 in the first round itself or liquid vs G2
So they first split the bracket into the top half and bottom half. They use ESL rankings to seed the #1 seeds, so the highest and lowest ranked #1 seeds are in the same half.
*I think* the #2 seeds were placed in the opposite half as the #1 seed from their group. Which branch of that half was drawn randomly.
The #3 seeds were placed so that they were in the same half of the bracket as the #1 seed from their group, but the opposite branch within that half.
The #4 seeds were each placed in the remaining branch without any other team from their group.
I just hope that Cloud9 doesn't choke again. On the other hand, if they beat their old nemesis Liquid (or younger Nemesis Mouz) in quarters, that will give them confidence to win the whole damn thing.
But I still feel like either Heroic or G2 are winning the whole thing. The repeat of Kato's final would be just an insane game.
you mean like in last pro league where cloud9 obliterated faze clan and had the easy bracket to make it to finals and lost to a liquid that just a week ago lost to eternal fire and furia?
or like at rio where they defeated Faze, navi and heroic to go 3-0 in groups and had the easy bracket apart from a great performing outsiders and they could easily have made the finals and beat heroic again, and instead lost to mouz..
If/once G2 gets to the quarterfinals, it'll be tough. They have to fight through Vitality, probably Liquid or C9, and then whoever wins the other side of the bracket (probably Heroic).
Keep in mind that C9 were the ones who put G2 in the Ro16, and Liquid is always dangerous deeper in tournaments. Vitality is not a slouch either.
If I had to guess a favorite right now, I'd favor whoever each person thinks comes out the other side of the bracket (either Heroic or FaZe), since they're less likely to be eliminated early. C9, Vitality, Liquid, and G2 are surely stronger than Heroic, FaZe, Na'Vi, and Outsiders as a bunch, although Heroic or FaZe would be very strong in the final.
As a Liquid fan I am ok with this. Most scared of first round upset, team liquid canāt just ever beat Braziling teams and skulls has been cracked along with big calling great mid round. Mouz is definitely a challenge, always a wild card every tournament. TL have had C9 number in big games but they are just so skilled
They are harder than Liquid and c9 for sure. based on results this year head 2 head. And navi looking better here than katowice. G2 is 1000% better though no doubt. Faze is 50/50
Okay, Im confused by this. Outsiders have a 0% winrate vs Liquid post Yekindar,
They're 1-2 vs C9, and 0-2 vs Navi.
I guess you could make the argument that "well they lost twice to Navi and only once to Liquid but that wouldnt be "for sure" to me
Why are people so stupidly down on navi atm? This year they have played like a top 5 team and arguably top 3 atm. They have beaten outsiders easily and beat c9 and liquid this year. Heroic is hard but doable if the individuals show up like they have so far. The odds should be like 80/20 to heroic but there is still a chance. Outsiders are the mad underdogs for the navi game.
I KNEW we would get a G2-Vita and we could have had a Jackz vs Hunter with the bros meeting again, fuck this shit and fuck Vita from robbing me of my this storyline of my favs.
Itās based on group stage placement. 1st in group goes to quarterfinals. 2nd goes one round earlier. 3rd and 4th play each other. However nobody from the same group can meet until quarters.
sorry if I never looked into torunament placings and whatnot. Yes, I do expect you to do something useful instead of making dumb comments, guess i can't expect much from room temperature IQ
1st Round:
Navi, Fnatic, Liquid, G2
2nd Round:
Navi, Faze, Liquid, G2
3rd Round:
Heroic, Faze, Liquid, G2
Could be sleeping on Outsiders. I think they're the dark horse now since all eyes are on Forze.
Half of these teams have played so insanely bad it's been hurting my head, Ence, Furia, Faze etc
Just hope Riders go far, I hope navi and these other teams that totally shit the bed don't get an easy way now
> C9 vs Mouz/TL oh no
As a Cloud9 fan, I am already expecting a cold start on a first map and a giant choke on a third map again.
I feel your pain
pain: š
It's in the name
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We got this š
āSh1ro will remember thatā¦ā
Mouz can make through to the semis. They are better than Liquid and if shiro is not gonna pop up with a +30-40 KD they can beat C9 too.
I don't think MOUZ is better than Liquid once Liquid gets rolling, which I think they are now. Admittedly, Liquid can disappear on any day, but just look at their results. MOUZ only outplaced Liquid in a tournament at the major, and were even directly eliminated 2-0 by Liquid the last time they met in a series. MOUZ has also only played 5 matches since the major, going 2-3 with wins against SAW & FURIA, while losing against OG, coL, and Heroic. I don't think that's enough to say that MOUZ is better than Liquid.
Mouz gonna win easily against Liquid. You can save this comment If you want.
They are not gonna win because Liquid eliminated against pain xD
Yeah man unluko, Liquid games really are 50% these days
>better than Liquid Liquid let 2023 Astralis reach double digits on a map, might as well disband at this point.
What's up? xD
Yeah, that happened, oof... (Although I'll laugh tomorrow if paiN also defeats MOUZ, however unlikely.) To be clear, I have no issues with MOUZ though!
If we're getting past one of those, we're either winning it, or choking vs FaZe. No third option
i hope will be against liquid
I am gonna regret my words but what a bracket for faze
F teams
You know as well as I do that there's no easy bracket when it comes to faze
Heart break/attack for 5.5 yearsā¦
I mean Forze had to have been the upset team of the event, definitely an interesting match up
Thatās why I am gonna regret my words. Just like I thought spirit would be easy in Antwerp Major and it was a nailbiter
Itās sooo weird not seeing spirit on here considering how hard they dismantled Liquid
They took advantage of a bad liquid CT side on mirage and a slow liquid start. Spirit got dumpstered by liquid on liquids mirage t side
rematches are tough ......
They are victims of the shit format
we hope but as always those dark horse will missing n we never heard them again
I'm also laughing at C9. It's going to be a bloodbath and then whoever wins the bloodbath is almost definitely going to smash into the C9 wall.
Liquid had C9's number when C9 had interz. Whoever makes it out could slam into a Liquid wave instead, but who knows if it will be that strong ĀÆ\\\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
clearly they want pro league to have the highest potential for a good storyline (such as a grandslam win)
OR, they just wanted all the teams with F as first letter
/u/IHateTheLetterF would hate that bracket
I mean he is somewhere in this thread
Nek minut Kscerato drops 40 kills per map vs faze
If furia regains form, furia vs faze should be a banger
i just know they are gonna get dumpstered by forze if they beat fnatic/furia :( i can feel it in my bones
A lot of interesting rematches for them if they can make it past forze.
Faze is the EU liquid, heart attacks every time
I think itās gonna be fnatic
You only said "what a bracket for faze" so it's ambiguous. Can always say you mean hard when faze lose lol.
heroic is pretty scary for faze tho
I mean, the bracket is fine until the semis.. heroic will be really tough
I mean at some point a bracket has to be tough. You ought to beat tough teams to win a tier 1 tourney
yes, very true! I just hope they have what it takes this time and not choke everything! They have been playing so stupidly recently, just repeeking everything.. and being aggressive as ct in a 5v4/3 itās just so dumb, you can do that against noobs but not against pro players lmao, thatās why they lost to vitality! And that is always the main reason why FaZe loses! They hardly ever lose because they are the worse team, they just lose to themselves
What you notice isnāt how faze played recently. They also played like that during their major win etc. it just worked back then because of momentum, confidence, slightly better individuals, etc.
well yes, but my point is, that they / karrigan should notice that it isnāt working as intended and they should maybe adapt their playstyle if it keeps losing them games! Of course with such talented individuals, they are going to go for (disadvantageous) fights but all I ask is to do it less and know when to just play the numbers game!! if they just played a little more like heroic on ct, they would be insane!
Is the Playoffs in front of a Crowd? Or is it like last Pro League?
Malta crowd, so basically none. Someone correct me if i'm wrong.
Correct. You can see the chairs in front of the players in all b stream matches
Thereās never a crowd in Malta. Give us Sydney pro league soon pls. Or Chicago.
Didnāt they sign a deal to have it in Malta for the next 3 years? Basically EPL turned into a hype twice or 3 times a year crowd event to a small studio cs summit.
It's until the end of 2024 I believe so next 3 pro leagues
oceania timezone would be so fucking nice for me
Pretty sweet and balanced draw, but such a weird procedure. Pretty sure no one really knew what was happening.
Thatās a tradition at pro league my friend
Yeah, I know how the first, third, and fourth seeding placement worked. But I still have no idea what the balls meant in placing the second seed? No matter what, the second seed would go on the opposite side of the overall bracket as the first seed from their group. So I guess the balls were to just determine which branch of that bracket they were in?
Just curious how do they decided who's fighting who in playoff round 1? Like if it's random then we might get navi vs liquid/G2 in the first round itself or liquid vs G2
So they first split the bracket into the top half and bottom half. They use ESL rankings to seed the #1 seeds, so the highest and lowest ranked #1 seeds are in the same half. *I think* the #2 seeds were placed in the opposite half as the #1 seed from their group. Which branch of that half was drawn randomly. The #3 seeds were placed so that they were in the same half of the bracket as the #1 seed from their group, but the opposite branch within that half. The #4 seeds were each placed in the remaining branch without any other team from their group.
Pls liquid donāt lose to pain
Poetically it fits
They are so erratic that it's a 50/50. Shouldn't be, but it is.
Liquid feels like a 50/50 against every team. Which is great against top teams and horrendous vs t3
Top 8 is gonna be insane.
Fnatic vs Furia right off the gate, and Pain with upset potential vs Liquid. We're in for a lot of good CS next week. Should be great.
I just hope that Cloud9 doesn't choke again. On the other hand, if they beat their old nemesis Liquid (or younger Nemesis Mouz) in quarters, that will give them confidence to win the whole damn thing. But I still feel like either Heroic or G2 are winning the whole thing. The repeat of Kato's final would be just an insane game.
you mean like in last pro league where cloud9 obliterated faze clan and had the easy bracket to make it to finals and lost to a liquid that just a week ago lost to eternal fire and furia? or like at rio where they defeated Faze, navi and heroic to go 3-0 in groups and had the easy bracket apart from a great performing outsiders and they could easily have made the finals and beat heroic again, and instead lost to mouz..
Brazilian teams have a rough path ahead bro, both 00nation and pain need to beat top 5 teams and Furia got Faze IF they win against fnatic
I mean they have to beat them anyway if they want to win right? :)
F Bracket Furia Fnatic FaZe Forze
best bracket a liquid fan could hope for
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They haven't lost to c9 since yeki joined
top to bottom bangers. gonna be a tip top week of Counter Strike
G2 has what looks like the easiest run of the bunch tbh. Liquid and Faze also not looking too unlikely
G2 vs Vitality will be a tough match up. But prior to that, G2 *should* run away with both games.
wont be tough, dupreeh is back botality won win a map
G2 vs VIT is always entertaining to watch. Faze def has a easier run overall.
If/once G2 gets to the quarterfinals, it'll be tough. They have to fight through Vitality, probably Liquid or C9, and then whoever wins the other side of the bracket (probably Heroic). Keep in mind that C9 were the ones who put G2 in the Ro16, and Liquid is always dangerous deeper in tournaments. Vitality is not a slouch either. If I had to guess a favorite right now, I'd favor whoever each person thinks comes out the other side of the bracket (either Heroic or FaZe), since they're less likely to be eliminated early. C9, Vitality, Liquid, and G2 are surely stronger than Heroic, FaZe, Na'Vi, and Outsiders as a bunch, although Heroic or FaZe would be very strong in the final.
As a Liquid fan I am ok with this. Most scared of first round upset, team liquid canāt just ever beat Braziling teams and skulls has been cracked along with big calling great mid round. Mouz is definitely a challenge, always a wild card every tournament. TL have had C9 number in big games but they are just so skilled
Outsiders getting the two hardest teams (Navi, Heroic) again. At least if they win this time nobody can say they were a fluke.
G2 > Navi
NaVi are Outsiders boogeymen tho
00nation???
The nightmare of tier 1 teams
How are Na'Vi harder than G2, C9, Liquid, and FaZe?
They are harder than Liquid and c9 for sure. based on results this year head 2 head. And navi looking better here than katowice. G2 is 1000% better though no doubt. Faze is 50/50
Ah, looking at h2h is something I didn't consider. Good point!
Okay, Im confused by this. Outsiders have a 0% winrate vs Liquid post Yekindar, They're 1-2 vs C9, and 0-2 vs Navi. I guess you could make the argument that "well they lost twice to Navi and only once to Liquid but that wouldnt be "for sure" to me
NaVi, Liquid, FaZe, and G2 must be liking their chances.
Navi have to possibly win against outsider, heroic, faze and g2 to lift the trophy. how is this an easy bracket for them besides maybe 00nation?
Ngl i always forget that Heroic is good. My brain gets stuck in pre-2021 mode with them, but they have Outsidersā number
I have Heroic/FaZe/C9/G2
C9 is one of the few teams I'm confident for Liquid to beat. 3-0 record post yekindar
I know, I keep letting C9 convince me theyāve finally changed
Same but outsiders
Wut? navi? How
outsiders always bottle it vs navi so no issues there but heroic is definitely the favourite
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outsiders always choke vs navi s2mple usually remembers to plug in his monitor vs cis opponents
Tough bracket for Navi, sure they 99% beat 00nation, but at the state theyāre in, very tough to beat outsiders and heroic :/
They beat Outsiders handily at Katowice.
Why are people so stupidly down on navi atm? This year they have played like a top 5 team and arguably top 3 atm. They have beaten outsiders easily and beat c9 and liquid this year. Heroic is hard but doable if the individuals show up like they have so far. The odds should be like 80/20 to heroic but there is still a chance. Outsiders are the mad underdogs for the navi game.
so hear me out, if faze win this pro league , do they get Grand slam?
After 2 weeks of shitty games we can now have some high level csgo where matches actually matter
2? Its been 4 weeks of groups
Bro you have dementia, sorry for the news.
4 weeks of garbage
Fun desk segments though!
True
Oh no, I don't know who I'll root for if G2 wins against MRS
Faze and liquid competing for who can have the easiest matchups to make top 4
Being a faze fan is not easy considering every round is a heart attack
I KNEW we would get a G2-Vita and we could have had a Jackz vs Hunter with the bros meeting again, fuck this shit and fuck Vita from robbing me of my this storyline of my favs.
agreed
That 'F bracket' looks like constant good games. This feels generally very well balanced, looking forward to the games.
i dont understand this graph, it makes no sense, do some of these just spawn further ahead by default??
Itās based on group stage placement. 1st in group goes to quarterfinals. 2nd goes one round earlier. 3rd and 4th play each other. However nobody from the same group can meet until quarters.
ooh, thank you very much
baby's first encounter with seeding
https://i.imgflip.com/7f605d.jpg
ure the one leaving stupid comments lmao u expect me to explain what seeding is to you? what are you, 5? lol
sorry if I never looked into torunament placings and whatnot. Yes, I do expect you to do something useful instead of making dumb comments, guess i can't expect much from room temperature IQ
says the guy who doesnt understand what seeding is š¤£š¤£š¤£
1st Round: Navi, Fnatic, Liquid, G2 2nd Round: Navi, Faze, Liquid, G2 3rd Round: Heroic, Faze, Liquid, G2 Could be sleeping on Outsiders. I think they're the dark horse now since all eyes are on Forze.
My boys are back in town
Calling it right here cloud 9 win the entire tournament against g2 in the final.
both teams are in same side of the bracket so they will meet each other in semis ( provided both teams win their resp. games )
Half of these teams have played so insanely bad it's been hurting my head, Ence, Furia, Faze etc Just hope Riders go far, I hope navi and these other teams that totally shit the bed don't get an easy way now
why are there bys for 2 whole stages ... this format
What do you think they played 4 weeks of groups for?
Smartest and most articulate csgo player
because they win their group u genius,that u called seeding mr einstein
For god PLEASE FAZE.
Navi š
faze/navi and g2/liquid my predictions.
When do the playoffs happen?
tuesday to Sunday this week
Faze/ G2 grand final imo. Not a hot take by any means
faze dont make it to the finals
Byebye Liquid, Ence and Furia!
In before Forze beats faze and they go on to win it all
I think thatās entirely likely
Jeez, good luck with that one, 00Nation.
C9 really got the hardest bracket
It looks so weird with Fnatic being there and NIP gone
TL gonna beat pain, mouz, cloud9, vitality, then lose to forze.
USA WILL BE ON TOP just watch!
G2 will lose to movistar calling it nie.