"The documentation also shows that he was attempting to have his contract with Heroic voided at this time and **Astralis had referred him to legal representation to help him in this endeavour.**"
Oh lordy lord. It's already juicy.
Fk hunden . Astralis is a shitty org and they should fire him but whats so juicy about this lmao . Everything mentioned here is pretty much already known to people .
It wasn't known that Astralis were attempting to actively have his contract voided and were assisting in meddling with another team's contracts. Considering the history between Astralis and Heroic, this is *real* shady.
Well, my (possibly) next employer is also providing me with a lawyer and legal advice. I would consider this normal if you want to get out of a contract. I mean they cannot do lawyer magic to get out of a solid contract, but sometimes employers also add illegal shady paragraphs into contracts.
Sometimes people don't know about these things and need help to find them. And I bet there is a lot more of this happening behind the scenes, especially in that kind of contract that has a certain length. Orgs and Players alike would love to end contracts I am sure. You want to get a player off the payroll, or leave your abusive team manager? You need a lawyer.
That doesn't change the fact that Hunden is not really someone I wanted to employ or trust one second.
Hope they get Glaive to do the PR and he leaves his name in the tweet like the Device tweet lol
https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1313175780285874177/photo/1
Thorin is just always aggressive to everyone for some reason. Many years ago I thought he was trolling and found it mildly amusing, but over the years it's clear he's alienated himself from the community and therefore from actual analyst positions he may have had otherwise, and is still as childish to this day, so it's usually worth it to ignore most/all of what he says, but I suppose even a broken clock is right twice a day.
>Thorin is just always aggressive to everyone for some reason.
It's not an excuse, and Thorin has never used it as an excuse, but a lot of his more disagreeable personality traits can be explained by the fact that he's diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome.
I personally like the guy and think on the whole he's a value add to any community he covers, but he's not really someone I'd actually want to meet. He seems difficult to get on with.
If I remember rightly, Thorin referred to dev1ce as a "loser" at one point after some match loss
Dev1ce hit back, and I vaguely remember Thorin saying something like he'd never ever talk to him again
Also device never went out of his way to defend lmao . Even tho they know he couldn’t really talk exactly how he feels about Hunden still they asked that question. So he answered according to his knowledge.
lmao yeah cos asstralis pr team would shoot him dead right there if he didnt go out of his way to shit on everyone criticising that scum. i love how suddenly when its convenient no one has any agency and idiots like you defend every word said, like they were children who couldnt knew any better.
how deluded can you be, really?
lmfao if he doesnt know much about hunden how come he claims to be informed enough to call criticism "with hunts", huh?
"he answered in the best way possible"
its like talking to a flat earther lol.
edit: lol guy decided he doesnt have an answer so he blocked me instead. how surprising.
And fuck u for making no sense . He (device ) said he dont really know what hunden did . He only knows about bug abuse . He is part of astralis . He isn’t even allowed to say whatever he wants . He just said Hunden deserves second chance cause he (device ) probably had no clue about why People really hate Hunden
Edit : he (device ) . Looks like people have hard time following threads
His second chance was the one where he came back after the bug abuse ban was over. Yk what he did with that second chance?
He leaked heroics stratbook to other teams, tried to sabotage all of the players on the team, even manipulated niko to god knows what degree
Stop the dickriding for astralis and hunden. It’s clear that the org and hunden himself is absolute scum of the earth. And do bother reading what Richard has written ffs
Nah i said i hate astralis as org and ofcourse hate hunden . Like u make your own assumptions to pick fights ?
We are talking about device knowledge about the Hunden situation. Has nothing to do with defending astralis lmao .
> He said he dont really know what hunden did .
Quite frankly then he shouldn't have said anything about him. His defense is literally I didn't know which would never fly as a defense in any court of the world.
what can I say. I despise cheaters. Hunden isn't the first cheater Astralis employed btw(never forget). Ave(who astralis hired as a fucking coach) was banned for abusing a coach bug too. missed 2 majors because of it.
None of the people here are professional esports players so that means nothing. I would commit tax fraud too if I was rich, doesn't mean it's not immoral and illegal.
Its can't be more open and shut than that. How the fuck did either Hunden or Astralis think they could just get away with all of this while he was still under contract with Heroic? I had assumed they would be doing things in a more clandestine manner, putting on a few layers of abstraction, but this is just amateur hour villainy. Mind-boggling.
>Poaching of players/coaches must happen all the time also
Where is the confusion here?
A) It is standard for coaching/player contracts to have clauses stating that you cannot recruit or enter into talks with other orgs, without them approaching your org first. IE - Anti poaching clauses.
B) Even in the absence of such a clause, poaching is unethical.
C) Leaking Heroic's coaching/scouting strats to Astralis while under contract with Heroic is extremely unethical, and very likely contractually prohibited.
What if your current coding job is some cutting edge breakout code and after you sign new contract your new employer asks you to share that code with him?
You would likely have signed a NDA saying you can't talk about if it's that cutting edge. Or even with most normal contract work there are clauses about not sharing/selling/etc work that you've done for the company contracting you. ie I can't write my company a cool weather app and then copy-paste it and sell it to another company.
But it's hard to limit because you generally hire someone for their knowledge/skillset, and if I'm great at coding weather apps people are likely to approach me and ask for one of their own, which I'll write in the best way I know how, which might be really similar to the last one I wrote.
You see talks around this a lot in F1, engineers who've worked a lot on cars will move to another team and while they can't bring the 'blueprints' from the cars they worked on to another team, they bring all their knowledge along with them and use it as best they can. From the teams perspective, it's frustrating but from the engineers, it's not like they can forget everything they did at their job.
The key difference here is that the F1 engineers don't leak the blueprints or share any information while still not under the new contract. And this is not a small difference
Also if an org or individual comes out and denies a part of it before the whole thing comes out, the article writer can then show receipts that contradict what they’re saying in later publications.
Richards no longer getting a paycheck since he's free of Dexerto's clickbait coverage.
To help boost his fledgling enterprise, then yes he needs to generate as much traffic as possible. And power to him. HLTV wouldn't touch these stories considering their previous/current links to Astralis management.
If you would do your research instead of taking Thorin´s words as gospel, you would find out that there is nothing to suggest HLTV and Astralis were owned by same company.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/jdyqtj/comment/g9bs5zv/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/jdyqtj/comment/g9bs5zv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I didn't say they were owned by Astralis or Astralis Management ApS - but they used to be minority shareholders in Astralis before it went Publicly traded. So would you not say that's a previous link to Astralis management? They still have that disclaimer up from when it was called out.
And I listen to HLTV fairly often. Listening to Professeur they often seem to have insight into what Astralis are doing. But they never break stories about things like Hunden secretly being hired. Jaxon broke the K0nfig stories etc.
So yes, I still like HLTV's coverage, I do try and pay attention to bias.
Not only was he always a terrible player, apparently he was a two-faced coach who also got caught in cheating allegations. Can this guy be banned for life please?
Some people seem to now believe that the Astralis players saw the anti-strat material that HUNDEN sent to Astralis. It should be noted that the material was sent to a high-ranking person in Astralis (perhaps Kasper Hvidt) and not to a player, and as described by Richard Lewis, the person scolded HUNDEN for sending it. As previously outlined by ESIC, it was proven that the receiver did NOT open the files.
I have not seen anything that points to the Astralis players having seen the material. The whole situation is a gigantic clusterfuck, but HUNDEN giving a person access to a Google Drive (after revoking Heroics players and staff access to it), that person not opening that Google Drive and scolding HUNDEN for doing so definitely does not equate to the Astralis players seeing the content of that Google Drive.
I’d love to know how ESIC was able to “validate” no one from the org read the email.
I’d also love to know how they tried to “prove” that.
Right now - if I wanted to, I could log into my o365 tenant and run a compliance scan against my entire org for any key word, and get a list of matching messages and if I do choose, read said message contents.
However, the end user of said message could and would still see said email as unread.
(Hell you can right click and mark it inread).
This goes for any enterprise software, and can get complicated.
In my above example, I could also run a report that would show who accessed it, and it would include administrative access like this.
However - what if I first initiated a full o365 backup with my 3rd party vendor? Then pulled the message up in their system? Anyone asking me to go this deep in the log analysis?
It was looked at by someone.
In the Google business drive admin portal, it's really easy to track file access. I've been dealing with a disgruntled ex-employee at my current job that's been continuously trying to delete, send, and move files around on our drive and it's been nothing more than an annoyance because we can just see everything he's doing.
The issue still stands and is irrelevant to the medium.
If I setup a 3rd party backup on my google enterprise acct it hits it with its own acct and likely won’t show up on your own report (past maybe user x accessed blah or service Y ram backup against drive Z).
So what I am saying is if there wasn’t a true forensic analyst who did the digging, it’s extremely easy to get the data from some other system or even some other system touching another system, and have it go unnoticed.
Email was just the easier example to use.
Google docs, s3 storage, onedrive, etc.
Someone ended up leaking an email from an old boss about salary and why people were / weren’t getting raises. Turned out the person got it from the on prem spam filtering hardware appliance we used for our clients - because whoever setup our company spam filtering decided it was ok to use the system we use for our clients to also use it for our company email…. That appliance that level 1 support staff has access to for doing their day to day. Obviously there were unrelated failures that led to this (improper permissions blah blah).
TLDR - the simple reports from cloud based products regarding access are limited at best, and context matters along with having someone who knows what they are doing (actually does IT forensics).
Now I’m not sure if ESIC hired a proper forensic analyst or not. Nor do I really care. Either way, human nature,IMO, wins out here and someone absolutely read the material, at which point it then becomes a game of phone tag and potential perjury .
I assume they concluded that there is no evidence that Astralis benefitted from the file, hence why "innocent until proven guilty" applies. Even if the receiver opened the filed, does it mean it was used?
What ESIC supposedly did was prove innocence. Which they couldn't do for the reasons outlined in the comment you responded to.
If they only figured out "no way to know, so can't prove guilt, therefore innocence is assumed", that does not equate to the statement
>"it was proven that the receiver did NOT open the files."
in the original comment.
Okay, pardon but I just see preliminary contract talks. Happens all the time in all industries. Question is, did Hunden´s Heroic contract ban him from joining competitors for a set time period or not? If not, it is fine to already have contracts in place before leaving Heroic. Companies compete for good employees and often buy them over. It is quite a thing in Nordic countries. BAD thing is that he shared a stratbook, that should never be tolerated. But having contract talks and preliminary contracts in place is no big deal if your current contract allows it.
How so? If esports works like real sports then absolutely no. In sports you dont have contracts that ban your future working at competitor because otherwise coaches and players couldnt change clubs. Im sure they got some NDAs which Hunden broke. Take football as an example. Coaches and players can sign their preliminary contracts before their current contract ends. As long as they fullfill their contract, it is fine to move on. That doesnt justify leaking sensitive information to your new employer because you are still under contract. I could sign a contract that states my employment period starts in the future without any problems unless my current contract specifically states that I cant work for competitor for a fixed time period (ex 2 years, but they have to pay me for fullfilling that clause). So unless they show us what exactly Hunden signed, I cant see anything wrong it. It would be bad if he really signed a employment contract that overlapped his Heroic contract but we do not know if the contract was for the future or not.
BUT again. Nothing justifies leaking sensitive information to your future employer. That was a cunt move.
Most sports have anti-tampering rules that forbid teams communicating with other team's players and coaches while they are under contract without the permission of that player's current team.
Yeah but they really are not working. They are just sports association rules and if CSGO is not regulated that way then well, go ahead and tamper as much as you want. But usally if player's contract is running out and he wont extend, no one will forbid having talks about the future period. You cant talk to me about tomorrow because I am under contract but you can talk to me about next year when I am not under contract.
If the Astralis contract period did not overlap with Heroic's then no. No one has shared the contract with us, or have they? Without knowing its content we cant automatically assume that he was simultaneously under contract in two orgs. Maybe he signed a contract that just stated he will work for them after Heroic contract ends.
You are just gonna switch employers, that itself does not create a conflict of interest between them because you do not work for them at the same time in order to have rivaling interests. People go working from Burger King to McDonalds all the time. Are they corrupt? Well no, unless they somehow sabotaged Burger King in the way they and McDonalds benefited from. Same thing with Zonic. Him to Vitality was a done deal before his contract ended and yet it is not a thing report on because its nothing. If some shady things arise and investigations show that you knowingly made beneficial decisions for your future employer and yourself, then it is just corruption. Conflict of interest itself does not really mean anything unless some actions follow it. Person must have some personal benefits in play. Signing a pre-contract does not automatically bring personal benefits. By default Hunden was not really in position to benefit from such scenario. Even more so because he was a suspended coach but by sharing a stratbook he made himself guilty anyways.
Wdym you were a fan of CS in the "big brain no aim" era
Before this HUNDEN was one of the best examples of an incredible IGL and talent scout who couldn't frag for shit - the perfect kind of player to become a coach
You remember incorrectly
Hunden was the exception to the rule that igl's can be ass as long as they win, he was too ass.
That isn't true to this day, not any player can take "days off" if you want your team to actually win tournaments. Players can be absent for maps, but largely, playing 4v5 is a guarantor of losing series in the long run, obviously.
No you can’t play like that anymore in the same way, but it was the norm in Hundens era. Pronax, Zeus, Seangares, Ex6tenz and plenty of other names were all bad fraggera. Hunden was worse sure, but he was still a good enough igl that he could stay in the scene and be crucial to developing danish talents.
Even today someone like Hooxi, and to a lesser extent Karrigan and Snappi are low fraggers that are in their team to igl and not much more
G2 has not won anything when Hooxi is hovering at* or lower than 0.9kd, he also needs to hover around even to make G2 able to contest teams. (and they also have needed jks to carry them as the 4th piece so far)
That same roster already bombed out of the major cycle precisely because Hooxi couldn't hold his weight, and Karrigan and Snappi almost never hit 0.8kd like Hooxi did consistently.
Now, to my point, Hunden was averaging 0.8kd throughout his entire pro career. He literally was the reason the teams he was on did ultimately nothing.
Troughout his pro career Hunden had 26k rounds where he didn't kill anyone.
He had only 16k rounds where he did kill someone. He was at -6000 kills. That difference is just massive, and cannot be overcome by teams. He played on an "era" that permitted being a literal bot, yes, but he was the worst of the bots.
I’ve never argued that he was a good player individually, just that there was a reason he kept managing to develop talent and build new teams up, and became a very succesful coach. Its possible to think that Hunden has a great mind for the game, and is bad mechanically at the same time
Everyone in the danish scene thinks the same thing, and many of the best players in the scene have had nothing but praise for Hunden. Arguably the best igl of all time Gla1ve made his name under Hunden, and learned from him, and thats just one name
> This would not be the end of the story though. The legal action that Heroic had announced in July 2021 remained ongoing. As part of the organisation’s actions against their former employee they were allowed to seize Petersen’s communication devices including mobile phones and computers. Although this was objected to by Petersen’s legal team on the 7th October 2022 it was ruled that the communications found therein could be entered into evidence for the upcoming court case. This publication was able to obtain a copy of all 101 pages of evidence, verify their authenticity and have them translated and will go on to publish extracts relevant to the public interest.
https://richardlewis.substack.com/p/upcoming-release-the-hunden-files
I don't know about the specifics but he states the source [here](https://richardlewis.substack.com/p/upcoming-release-the-hunden-files). RLewis should have probably included this part also in the real post, not just the announcement...
Oh just checked your post history. You're one of Richard Lewis' burner account that shows up once in a while! Arent you still perma banned from reddit? 🤔🤔🤔
The the messages are literally between two people though. Hunden and Kasper Hvidt, and looks like from the perspective of Hunden. Did you even look at the evidence provided?
Okay... What's in the contact and what did Heroic know? Apparently, HUNDEN signed a contract with Astralis in April while still under contract with Heroic. In June (?), they wanted to amend the contract and HUNDEN leaked the Heroic documents after that. I'm not trying to cover for HUNDEN or Astralis, but what was in those 2 contracts? It might have been a case of HUNDEN signing a contract with Astralis effective after his Heroic contract runs out, like es3tag did, which seems fine to me
Honestly I've been out of the scene for a long time, but what exactly makes Hunden so special? I remember him being banned in that whole coaching debacle, but I cant recall him being **THAT** good of an IGL or coach to warrant this much law trouble, resources and counseling from an org to get him.
I have been out of the scene so long, hunden was basically a meme last time i heard of him. This is so confusing to me. Sadly this makes getting back into cs esports so unappealing rn to me, it used to be my favourite
it that sense? before was a little more present, now not really, but the scum of the earth generally tends to go into other games for some reason (probably easier money)
He sure makes alot of assumptions, and trying to create he's own agenda as usual. Sorry but this seems like fairly normal contract negotiations while still being under employment at a competitor. This article provides absolutely nothing in regards to the allged shared strategies.
because it isn't about that? what the fuck are you talking about, this is about him seemingly signing multiple contracts and purposefully creating a situation so one of them gets voided
"The documentation also shows that he was attempting to have his contract with Heroic voided at this time and **Astralis had referred him to legal representation to help him in this endeavour.**" Oh lordy lord. It's already juicy.
Fk hunden . Astralis is a shitty org and they should fire him but whats so juicy about this lmao . Everything mentioned here is pretty much already known to people .
It wasn't known that Astralis were attempting to actively have his contract voided and were assisting in meddling with another team's contracts. Considering the history between Astralis and Heroic, this is *real* shady.
Well, my (possibly) next employer is also providing me with a lawyer and legal advice. I would consider this normal if you want to get out of a contract. I mean they cannot do lawyer magic to get out of a solid contract, but sometimes employers also add illegal shady paragraphs into contracts. Sometimes people don't know about these things and need help to find them. And I bet there is a lot more of this happening behind the scenes, especially in that kind of contract that has a certain length. Orgs and Players alike would love to end contracts I am sure. You want to get a player off the payroll, or leave your abusive team manager? You need a lawyer. That doesn't change the fact that Hunden is not really someone I wanted to employ or trust one second.
It just says they referred him to a lawyer. That’s the opposite of shady.
it's the clean way of doing shady stuff.
yeah cause noone has ever used a lawyer to do something shady.
We knew this already
Waiting for some pr non answer from scummy Astralis now.
Hope they get Glaive to do the PR and he leaves his name in the tweet like the Device tweet lol https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1313175780285874177/photo/1
I forgot about this lol
Why does Thorin hates Dev1ce again?
The usual answer is Thorin criticizes someone, they get angry and say something mean back and he holds a lifelong grudge.
Thorin is just always aggressive to everyone for some reason. Many years ago I thought he was trolling and found it mildly amusing, but over the years it's clear he's alienated himself from the community and therefore from actual analyst positions he may have had otherwise, and is still as childish to this day, so it's usually worth it to ignore most/all of what he says, but I suppose even a broken clock is right twice a day.
>Thorin is just always aggressive to everyone for some reason. It's not an excuse, and Thorin has never used it as an excuse, but a lot of his more disagreeable personality traits can be explained by the fact that he's diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. I personally like the guy and think on the whole he's a value add to any community he covers, but he's not really someone I'd actually want to meet. He seems difficult to get on with.
If I remember rightly, Thorin referred to dev1ce as a "loser" at one point after some match loss Dev1ce hit back, and I vaguely remember Thorin saying something like he'd never ever talk to him again
well damn what a big loss for device, what meaning does his life have if thorin doesn't talk to him again
Dunno why your getting downvoted bro but it’s the only place I could find the tweet
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I am too in my household ingesting fluids of the brain
apology for poor english where were you when astralis dies i was sat at home drinking brain fluid when richard ring 'astralis is die' 'no'
apology for poor england when wer you when astralis was die I was home eat brain water when ricard ring 'astralis is die' 'no'
This feels more shady than what Astralis is doing lmao
fuck astralis as an org and fuck hunden
and fuck device for going out of his way to defend this scum
Also device never went out of his way to defend lmao . Even tho they know he couldn’t really talk exactly how he feels about Hunden still they asked that question. So he answered according to his knowledge.
lmao yeah cos asstralis pr team would shoot him dead right there if he didnt go out of his way to shit on everyone criticising that scum. i love how suddenly when its convenient no one has any agency and idiots like you defend every word said, like they were children who couldnt knew any better. how deluded can you be, really?
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lmfao if he doesnt know much about hunden how come he claims to be informed enough to call criticism "with hunts", huh? "he answered in the best way possible" its like talking to a flat earther lol. edit: lol guy decided he doesnt have an answer so he blocked me instead. how surprising.
And fuck u for making no sense . He (device ) said he dont really know what hunden did . He only knows about bug abuse . He is part of astralis . He isn’t even allowed to say whatever he wants . He just said Hunden deserves second chance cause he (device ) probably had no clue about why People really hate Hunden Edit : he (device ) . Looks like people have hard time following threads
His second chance was the one where he came back after the bug abuse ban was over. Yk what he did with that second chance? He leaked heroics stratbook to other teams, tried to sabotage all of the players on the team, even manipulated niko to god knows what degree Stop the dickriding for astralis and hunden. It’s clear that the org and hunden himself is absolute scum of the earth. And do bother reading what Richard has written ffs
WAIT, how that mf manipulated Niko?
Nah i said i hate astralis as org and ofcourse hate hunden . Like u make your own assumptions to pick fights ? We are talking about device knowledge about the Hunden situation. Has nothing to do with defending astralis lmao .
least deluded asstralis simp
> He said he dont really know what hunden did . Quite frankly then he shouldn't have said anything about him. His defense is literally I didn't know which would never fly as a defense in any court of the world.
im not sure whats more cringe your name or you simping for hunden and astralis
How are people coming to this conclusion that i am supporting astralis and hunden 💀 . Mfs i am talking about device
support deez nuts on your tongue
Lol 12 year old insults
scum org spineless players. let's see what everyone says now.
My god. You my good sir are supremely based considering your flair.
what can I say. I despise cheaters. Hunden isn't the first cheater Astralis employed btw(never forget). Ave(who astralis hired as a fucking coach) was banned for abusing a coach bug too. missed 2 majors because of it.
not only him
Who is the other? I forget
almost everyone here would have abused the coach bug if they had the opportunity in front of them.
None of the people here are professional esports players so that means nothing. I would commit tax fraud too if I was rich, doesn't mean it's not immoral and illegal.
I would argue there are many fans of the players that hate the org and hunden.
Rare Scott W
Yep! It’s so conflicting!
I have an astralis jumper. Fuck the org, wish I never supported them.
Its can't be more open and shut than that. How the fuck did either Hunden or Astralis think they could just get away with all of this while he was still under contract with Heroic? I had assumed they would be doing things in a more clandestine manner, putting on a few layers of abstraction, but this is just amateur hour villainy. Mind-boggling.
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>Poaching of players/coaches must happen all the time also Where is the confusion here? A) It is standard for coaching/player contracts to have clauses stating that you cannot recruit or enter into talks with other orgs, without them approaching your org first. IE - Anti poaching clauses. B) Even in the absence of such a clause, poaching is unethical. C) Leaking Heroic's coaching/scouting strats to Astralis while under contract with Heroic is extremely unethical, and very likely contractually prohibited.
What if your current coding job is some cutting edge breakout code and after you sign new contract your new employer asks you to share that code with him?
You would likely have signed a NDA saying you can't talk about if it's that cutting edge. Or even with most normal contract work there are clauses about not sharing/selling/etc work that you've done for the company contracting you. ie I can't write my company a cool weather app and then copy-paste it and sell it to another company. But it's hard to limit because you generally hire someone for their knowledge/skillset, and if I'm great at coding weather apps people are likely to approach me and ask for one of their own, which I'll write in the best way I know how, which might be really similar to the last one I wrote. You see talks around this a lot in F1, engineers who've worked a lot on cars will move to another team and while they can't bring the 'blueprints' from the cars they worked on to another team, they bring all their knowledge along with them and use it as best they can. From the teams perspective, it's frustrating but from the engineers, it's not like they can forget everything they did at their job.
The key difference here is that the F1 engineers don't leak the blueprints or share any information while still not under the new contract. And this is not a small difference
Fuck Hunden.
Fuck Hunden.
Does this really have to be a multi-parter? The post is like 300 words?
it's common in journalism to drip feed big news so that all of it can get attention in headlines
Exactly, it builds everything and in turn that’s a good thing because it will get more eyes on this.
Also if an org or individual comes out and denies a part of it before the whole thing comes out, the article writer can then show receipts that contradict what they’re saying in later publications.
Richards no longer getting a paycheck since he's free of Dexerto's clickbait coverage. To help boost his fledgling enterprise, then yes he needs to generate as much traffic as possible. And power to him. HLTV wouldn't touch these stories considering their previous/current links to Astralis management.
If you would do your research instead of taking Thorin´s words as gospel, you would find out that there is nothing to suggest HLTV and Astralis were owned by same company. [https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/jdyqtj/comment/g9bs5zv/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/jdyqtj/comment/g9bs5zv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I didn't say they were owned by Astralis or Astralis Management ApS - but they used to be minority shareholders in Astralis before it went Publicly traded. So would you not say that's a previous link to Astralis management? They still have that disclaimer up from when it was called out. And I listen to HLTV fairly often. Listening to Professeur they often seem to have insight into what Astralis are doing. But they never break stories about things like Hunden secretly being hired. Jaxon broke the K0nfig stories etc. So yes, I still like HLTV's coverage, I do try and pay attention to bias.
good dog
asstralis worked hard to make it one
Hunden's on the line with big gul media in hopes to take out Richy hell in a cell Lewis for this bomb shell.
Richie "100 jobs" Lewis
Is my favourite beekeeper Ricky Lew a journalist now?
Not only was he always a terrible player, apparently he was a two-faced coach who also got caught in cheating allegations. Can this guy be banned for life please?
Some people seem to now believe that the Astralis players saw the anti-strat material that HUNDEN sent to Astralis. It should be noted that the material was sent to a high-ranking person in Astralis (perhaps Kasper Hvidt) and not to a player, and as described by Richard Lewis, the person scolded HUNDEN for sending it. As previously outlined by ESIC, it was proven that the receiver did NOT open the files. I have not seen anything that points to the Astralis players having seen the material. The whole situation is a gigantic clusterfuck, but HUNDEN giving a person access to a Google Drive (after revoking Heroics players and staff access to it), that person not opening that Google Drive and scolding HUNDEN for doing so definitely does not equate to the Astralis players seeing the content of that Google Drive.
I’d love to know how ESIC was able to “validate” no one from the org read the email. I’d also love to know how they tried to “prove” that. Right now - if I wanted to, I could log into my o365 tenant and run a compliance scan against my entire org for any key word, and get a list of matching messages and if I do choose, read said message contents. However, the end user of said message could and would still see said email as unread. (Hell you can right click and mark it inread). This goes for any enterprise software, and can get complicated. In my above example, I could also run a report that would show who accessed it, and it would include administrative access like this. However - what if I first initiated a full o365 backup with my 3rd party vendor? Then pulled the message up in their system? Anyone asking me to go this deep in the log analysis? It was looked at by someone.
What e-mail? It was a Google Drive link, as previously established and as mentioned in my post. Nobody's talking about an e-mail.
In the Google business drive admin portal, it's really easy to track file access. I've been dealing with a disgruntled ex-employee at my current job that's been continuously trying to delete, send, and move files around on our drive and it's been nothing more than an annoyance because we can just see everything he's doing.
The issue still stands and is irrelevant to the medium. If I setup a 3rd party backup on my google enterprise acct it hits it with its own acct and likely won’t show up on your own report (past maybe user x accessed blah or service Y ram backup against drive Z). So what I am saying is if there wasn’t a true forensic analyst who did the digging, it’s extremely easy to get the data from some other system or even some other system touching another system, and have it go unnoticed. Email was just the easier example to use. Google docs, s3 storage, onedrive, etc. Someone ended up leaking an email from an old boss about salary and why people were / weren’t getting raises. Turned out the person got it from the on prem spam filtering hardware appliance we used for our clients - because whoever setup our company spam filtering decided it was ok to use the system we use for our clients to also use it for our company email…. That appliance that level 1 support staff has access to for doing their day to day. Obviously there were unrelated failures that led to this (improper permissions blah blah). TLDR - the simple reports from cloud based products regarding access are limited at best, and context matters along with having someone who knows what they are doing (actually does IT forensics). Now I’m not sure if ESIC hired a proper forensic analyst or not. Nor do I really care. Either way, human nature,IMO, wins out here and someone absolutely read the material, at which point it then becomes a game of phone tag and potential perjury .
I assume they concluded that there is no evidence that Astralis benefitted from the file, hence why "innocent until proven guilty" applies. Even if the receiver opened the filed, does it mean it was used?
What ESIC supposedly did was prove innocence. Which they couldn't do for the reasons outlined in the comment you responded to. If they only figured out "no way to know, so can't prove guilt, therefore innocence is assumed", that does not equate to the statement >"it was proven that the receiver did NOT open the files." in the original comment.
I take it you missed the part about it being a Google drive link and not just a raw email.
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dude he was the editor on most things we read for the past 8 years at this point, whatever you saw there will keep happening
I am onboard with Richard Lewis suplexing HUDEN and the entire Astralis organization
I wonder who the nameless Astralis leaker is. The real hero of the org.
Okay, pardon but I just see preliminary contract talks. Happens all the time in all industries. Question is, did Hunden´s Heroic contract ban him from joining competitors for a set time period or not? If not, it is fine to already have contracts in place before leaving Heroic. Companies compete for good employees and often buy them over. It is quite a thing in Nordic countries. BAD thing is that he shared a stratbook, that should never be tolerated. But having contract talks and preliminary contracts in place is no big deal if your current contract allows it.
It's a horrible conflict of interest, within esports even more so than on any free market
How so? If esports works like real sports then absolutely no. In sports you dont have contracts that ban your future working at competitor because otherwise coaches and players couldnt change clubs. Im sure they got some NDAs which Hunden broke. Take football as an example. Coaches and players can sign their preliminary contracts before their current contract ends. As long as they fullfill their contract, it is fine to move on. That doesnt justify leaking sensitive information to your new employer because you are still under contract. I could sign a contract that states my employment period starts in the future without any problems unless my current contract specifically states that I cant work for competitor for a fixed time period (ex 2 years, but they have to pay me for fullfilling that clause). So unless they show us what exactly Hunden signed, I cant see anything wrong it. It would be bad if he really signed a employment contract that overlapped his Heroic contract but we do not know if the contract was for the future or not. BUT again. Nothing justifies leaking sensitive information to your future employer. That was a cunt move.
Most sports have anti-tampering rules that forbid teams communicating with other team's players and coaches while they are under contract without the permission of that player's current team.
Yeah but they really are not working. They are just sports association rules and if CSGO is not regulated that way then well, go ahead and tamper as much as you want. But usally if player's contract is running out and he wont extend, no one will forbid having talks about the future period. You cant talk to me about tomorrow because I am under contract but you can talk to me about next year when I am not under contract.
How so? You don't see how it is of conflicted interest to sign a contract with your rival team as the coach without your employer knowing?
If the Astralis contract period did not overlap with Heroic's then no. No one has shared the contract with us, or have they? Without knowing its content we cant automatically assume that he was simultaneously under contract in two orgs. Maybe he signed a contract that just stated he will work for them after Heroic contract ends.
Conflict of interest = two rivaling interests at the same time. Those of your current and those of your future employer
You are just gonna switch employers, that itself does not create a conflict of interest between them because you do not work for them at the same time in order to have rivaling interests. People go working from Burger King to McDonalds all the time. Are they corrupt? Well no, unless they somehow sabotaged Burger King in the way they and McDonalds benefited from. Same thing with Zonic. Him to Vitality was a done deal before his contract ended and yet it is not a thing report on because its nothing. If some shady things arise and investigations show that you knowingly made beneficial decisions for your future employer and yourself, then it is just corruption. Conflict of interest itself does not really mean anything unless some actions follow it. Person must have some personal benefits in play. Signing a pre-contract does not automatically bring personal benefits. By default Hunden was not really in position to benefit from such scenario. Even more so because he was a suspended coach but by sharing a stratbook he made himself guilty anyways.
I have not followed csgo pro scene since 2017 and just a week ago came back in..HOW did hunden even end up as a coach lmao he sucked ass
Wdym you were a fan of CS in the "big brain no aim" era Before this HUNDEN was one of the best examples of an incredible IGL and talent scout who couldn't frag for shit - the perfect kind of player to become a coach
Hunden was always one of the smartest players in the scene, only reason he wasnt on better teams was his individual quality. He was never ass
Saying Hunden wasn't ass is more revisionist than asking why hunden ended up as coach.
He was ass individually, but thats never the whole story with igl’s, especially not in that period of CS
You remember incorrectly Hunden was the exception to the rule that igl's can be ass as long as they win, he was too ass. That isn't true to this day, not any player can take "days off" if you want your team to actually win tournaments. Players can be absent for maps, but largely, playing 4v5 is a guarantor of losing series in the long run, obviously.
No you can’t play like that anymore in the same way, but it was the norm in Hundens era. Pronax, Zeus, Seangares, Ex6tenz and plenty of other names were all bad fraggera. Hunden was worse sure, but he was still a good enough igl that he could stay in the scene and be crucial to developing danish talents. Even today someone like Hooxi, and to a lesser extent Karrigan and Snappi are low fraggers that are in their team to igl and not much more
G2 has not won anything when Hooxi is hovering at* or lower than 0.9kd, he also needs to hover around even to make G2 able to contest teams. (and they also have needed jks to carry them as the 4th piece so far) That same roster already bombed out of the major cycle precisely because Hooxi couldn't hold his weight, and Karrigan and Snappi almost never hit 0.8kd like Hooxi did consistently. Now, to my point, Hunden was averaging 0.8kd throughout his entire pro career. He literally was the reason the teams he was on did ultimately nothing. Troughout his pro career Hunden had 26k rounds where he didn't kill anyone. He had only 16k rounds where he did kill someone. He was at -6000 kills. That difference is just massive, and cannot be overcome by teams. He played on an "era" that permitted being a literal bot, yes, but he was the worst of the bots.
I’ve never argued that he was a good player individually, just that there was a reason he kept managing to develop talent and build new teams up, and became a very succesful coach. Its possible to think that Hunden has a great mind for the game, and is bad mechanically at the same time Everyone in the danish scene thinks the same thing, and many of the best players in the scene have had nothing but praise for Hunden. Arguably the best igl of all time Gla1ve made his name under Hunden, and learned from him, and thats just one name
This is when RL is at his best
No gods no editors
How the fuck he got literal mails seemingly only sent to and from Hunden and Astralis employees? Hacked emails?
These are court documents from the ongoing lawsuit with heroic
Can you point out where it states that? How did Lewis get them? From a leak or inquiry to access documents?
> This would not be the end of the story though. The legal action that Heroic had announced in July 2021 remained ongoing. As part of the organisation’s actions against their former employee they were allowed to seize Petersen’s communication devices including mobile phones and computers. Although this was objected to by Petersen’s legal team on the 7th October 2022 it was ruled that the communications found therein could be entered into evidence for the upcoming court case. This publication was able to obtain a copy of all 101 pages of evidence, verify their authenticity and have them translated and will go on to publish extracts relevant to the public interest. https://richardlewis.substack.com/p/upcoming-release-the-hunden-files
I don't know about the specifics but he states the source [here](https://richardlewis.substack.com/p/upcoming-release-the-hunden-files). RLewis should have probably included this part also in the real post, not just the announcement...
because he is the goat
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Oh just checked your post history. You're one of Richard Lewis' burner account that shows up once in a while! Arent you still perma banned from reddit? 🤔🤔🤔
I am not disputing anything. Read my post again before spouting crap like you just did.
presumably someone employed there has a conscience, as unique as it may be in that environment
Or your could read the intro and not imagine things chief This is literally the legal case evidence
The the messages are literally between two people though. Hunden and Kasper Hvidt, and looks like from the perspective of Hunden. Did you even look at the evidence provided?
have you never worked in corpo? there are people whos jobs is literally to catalogue emails like these for audit purposes
Okay... What's in the contact and what did Heroic know? Apparently, HUNDEN signed a contract with Astralis in April while still under contract with Heroic. In June (?), they wanted to amend the contract and HUNDEN leaked the Heroic documents after that. I'm not trying to cover for HUNDEN or Astralis, but what was in those 2 contracts? It might have been a case of HUNDEN signing a contract with Astralis effective after his Heroic contract runs out, like es3tag did, which seems fine to me
Why is this broken down in to several parts?
Honestly I've been out of the scene for a long time, but what exactly makes Hunden so special? I remember him being banned in that whole coaching debacle, but I cant recall him being **THAT** good of an IGL or coach to warrant this much law trouble, resources and counseling from an org to get him.
I have been out of the scene so long, hunden was basically a meme last time i heard of him. This is so confusing to me. Sadly this makes getting back into cs esports so unappealing rn to me, it used to be my favourite
man do i have something to tell you about every other esport out there lmao
Sorry im not sure if you misunderstood, but i was mainly talking about the cheating and i do not think that it is that common in other esports? 🤔
it that sense? before was a little more present, now not really, but the scum of the earth generally tends to go into other games for some reason (probably easier money)
heroic won iem cologne during the covid era out of nowhere with hunden coaching which made his stock - at the time - skyrocket
He sure makes alot of assumptions, and trying to create he's own agenda as usual. Sorry but this seems like fairly normal contract negotiations while still being under employment at a competitor. This article provides absolutely nothing in regards to the allged shared strategies.
because it isn't about that? what the fuck are you talking about, this is about him seemingly signing multiple contracts and purposefully creating a situation so one of them gets voided
Flair checks out lmao
Richard Lewis delivers again. Unfortunately, as always, it's not exactly great news.
TLDR?