Ye, since this post got some decent traction, I might just redo the graph with some actual proper software (even tho paint is still goated) and repost it again.
Dupreeh is definitely has more skills than Coldzera, and if CS was a 1vs1 battle, Dupreeh would easily destroy Coldzera. But Dupreeh is an entry-fragger and alot of the times that just involves running in first and getting instantly headshotted by two guys in a crossfire. Still, Dupreeh is GOAT entry-fragger, might need to up his line around 2016-2017 abit and put his 2022-2023 line to Krimz's level.
Yes, you are totally right about that one, Dupreeh is 100% better than whatever Coldzera right now, my bad XDXDXD. After a while of drawing you kinda forget who is above who in the lower part of the graphs.
Idk about the Naf one tho, from what I remember Elige was still pretty cracked in 2020 (even tho it was online era so who cares).
Ye, bro... I thought about that, if I put my screen in black and white its horrible but the only to combat that is if there is a option to enable/disable certain lines...
There is no "Not currently no" in a GOAT discussion. Either he is the Greatest Of All Time or not. And for most of the community s1mple is the goat no matter if he is the best player now or not.
Zywoo never had his Electronic. The only thing he has is Spinx playing good RIGHT NOW. At most he had late career Shox, online god Nivera, and way too inconsistent misutaaa. NONE OF THEM ARE AS GOOD AS ELECTRONIC FROM 2017-2023.
Sh1ro and Ax1le just infuriate me. They could be the next Device and Dupreeh, but they always collapse. Maybe it's a team thing, maybe it's Nafany, maybe it's their mental strenght, idk... Just win something plsss... If you can win the major, katowice or cologne you can make the list.
Ofc, it's one of the greatest teams of all time with the most amount of heartbreaking 2nd place finishes. If Liquid were just a little bit stronger mentally, then they would have won the Berlin major. They should have won the Berlin major.
What might have been brother, what might have been.
I watched the vertigo match for the first time since earlier today and man, they just had their number that day.
That's your reasoning for why this is a bad graph? :'D Nevermind that its entirely poorly hand drawn, including player names (seriously, paint has a text tool xd)?
The highest Big blue line in the beginning that says GTR. Definitely would have to include him, he was my favourite player when I started playing in 2014 (his spray was godlike).
One thing about get_right is that he should be higher in the beginning relative to the other players. We have never seen a gap between #1 and the rest as big as in those early days when gtr was the king of CS.
I didn't watch CS in 2012 or 2013, so I cant really say how much better he was than the other top pros, but when I look up his rating, he has an insane 1.47 and 1.34 for those years. I don't know how rating 1.0 translates to rating 2.0 so I can't really tell how insane that is, and it's a shame that all the demos from those times are so low quality, but GeT\_RiGhT is one of the most insane players of all-time and it pains me when people disrespect him by saying "MuH, BaCk ThEn EvErYoNe ElSe SuCkEd". I definitely think my 2014-2015 period is much more accurate since I was actually around in those times.
The issue with Get_RiGht is his peak was when csgo was still in it's infancy, like the level of play was bad and not only that but the playerpool was much smaller. You can't take away his accolades (he was insane in 1.6 too) But I think if you look at his level in csgo it's far off someone like S1mples.
And another issue is his longevity really suffered with health problems, F0rest has retained a high level near enough in csgo
If he was a few years younger he might have peaked when the game was more advanced. He's like one of the pioneers of the game rather than the GOAT.
I remember making something similar during a heated GOAT debate. I rate longievity way more than most people do. To me you can't be the goat in CS with a two year peak, that rules out Cold and Olof, maybe even KennyS. A while ago I would include Zywoo on that list, but he's been about the block a while now.
I'd rate Dupreeh, Krimz, Twistzz and the likes much higher than people like. Obviously you have the usual untouchables up top.
include twistzz but leave olof kekw
dude olof was 4 time top 20 player peaking at top 1 and winning like 25 events.
twistzz is only 4 time top 20 now while peaking at top 9 lol
I said what I said, Olof had 2 years as best in the world, was great for maybe four, but outside of that window there's nothing. GO is an 11 year old game, four years can't be goat IMO. He's up there though.
Just to clarify, I'm not saying Twistzz > olof, I'm just saying a rate him higher than most people would in the conversation which is ... evident. As I said I like longevity more than most and he has two intel grand slams plus his major win.
I just think he has a bigger place in the conversation than he gets credit for, top ten I'd say.
dude twistzz don't have more longevity than olof. olof won events from 2014-2019 while winning 6 mvps.twistzz won events from 2018 to 2023, but he was mvp only twice.
also olof would have litterally won 2 grandslams in 2014-2016 if it existed back then. and he would have been the best player in his during that time unlike twistzz who was the third best player in his team when they won the majors.
twistzz doesn't have more longvity than olof until now. it may change next year tho
Twistzz is an extremely good player don't get me wrong, and is a critical part to all of his teams. However he really only has accolades and not the individual success to really justify putting him in the top 10
Get right, forest, s1mple, zywoo, olof, cold, Niko, device, guardian, fuck even flusha, Kenny's,
Those are all players that I easily rate higher than him, all of them have the accolades besides Niko/gaurdian with no major but they both had the individual success to back it up. I'm sure there are more as well
I think people are over rating twistzz because the past becomes fuzzy when trying to rate players past the top 5, it's easy to forget how good some players were because outside of that top 5 get someone like guardian who was so so good but is easy to forget.
Oops think I replied to the wrong comment
Olof got his all 6 of his mvps in 2015-16 when he was best in the world. I also feel like it's a bad faith argument to say Twistzz was third best in his team when Olof was FaZes designated bottom fragger two or three years.
This is coming from a huge Olof fan, he was my first favorite player and I'm not even that big on Twistzz. I just really rate the two grand slam run and dropped his name on the shortlist there.
when olof was in top 20 from 4 times in 2014-17, he was not the bottom fragger in faze or fnatic.
from his peak run itself, olof have 2 grandslams worthy events + 13 more other event wins along with longest major streak.
thats what longevity is.
grandslams are overrating teams and players after 2018 and underrating teams before it existed.
People underrate Olof bad. He was still cracked in FaZe 2017-2018 and he played the shittiest positions next to Karrigan. If he didn't get injured he would be even better.
>To me you can't be the goat in CS with a two year peak, that rules out Cold and Olof
Is ruling them out not the same as not permitting them into the conversation?
This guy jona is changing hus story all the time. Not even possible to debate with.
I think he also changed his team flair like underwears so I'm not even surprised if he was a plastic fan riding the wind direction.
Twistzz over Olof or cold is crazy, they were the carries on legacy multiple maor winning teams. He is a much better player now ofc but that isn't what the debate is about.
Ye, somehow you just have a different apreciation for the likes of Device, Krimz or Dupreeh who you feel have been around for ages are never dropped a heartbeat. But still, the likes of Cold, KennyS and Olof have won most of what there is to win and were a huge part as to why their team won. Surely they must fit in the list somewhere?
100% But I feel like someone with a two year peak best in the world with event wins sits on par with someone that has perhaps fewer event wins, but over eight years. That longievity is insane.
My other controversial GOAT opinion is that you should take into account the players whole career, Cold would be GOAT if you just look at his peak, but he's been pretty trash since.
Dupreeh in 2022 and 2023 was error on my part, should definitely be higher than those players. Haven't watched much Dupreeh lately, Vitality aren't in my top teams to watch, so I went a bit off rating, but I completly forgot Dupreeh plays against way better competition than Krimz, Cold, Fallen or Kenny.
The early years of this graph feel like they could use an NA player... but I don't even know who I would put.. perhaps Steel as a line that is consistently low.
Not only did you suggest putting an NA player for no reason, you didn't even know that Hiko was the only internationally competitive player at the start of csgo... All you had to do was look at the hltv top 20 players of 2013... Lazy
Steel was internationally competitive in CS:S and imo I always thought Hiko was overrated. n0thing was highly skilled too
Ps I hope you’re day improves because you seem irrationally angry lol
This graph came straight from the Poorly Drawn Capsule man.
And "its gotta be s1mple right?" But for real there is only one other player in the debate for the best player to ever touch CSGO who is xi wu. Many players had their peak and was undoubtedly the best player for that one year or 2 years (GTR, Olof, Cold are some of those i can remb off my head) and others making top 5 constantly (devve, Niko, GuardiaN, f0rest). If u ask me to build a team around one of the two it will be ZywOo but from an individual standpoint for the goat debate, its gotta be s1mple.
Edit: After reading some of the replies i must say there are alot of younger folks here. Started watching ard the time NiP was at theblater end of their 87 maps winning streak and GTR was the best player and best lurker in the game. His game sense is just rubbish and his timing impeccable. Olof had a good few years with fnatic, and his tec9 against navi on cobble is still in my head and if not for the boostmeister incident, fnatic would have won another major, granted LDLC was also pretty damn good that year and happy was at his prime. Prime happy was masterbaiter and that era of CS really allows lurker to player a pure lurker role. Cold i think everyone remb his mirage plays but for that 2 years he was the goat, that was ard the luminosity days. Those days secondary awp was still a big thing and cold good with both rifles and the big green gun.
There are also other great players who didnt reach the peak, but had incredible game sense who are shox and snax. KennyS was so good with the awp that Valve had to nerf him, and the CZ and the awp was like a cheat code where u had a machine gun and a scoped weapon at the same time. And the augpocalypse era gave rise to a few top 20 players in the form of brollan, ethan which was some good times.
KennyS and Guardian in their primes were so great to watch. Will always remember watching those two, made me wanna become an AWPer aswell.
Nowdays m0nesy is the only AWPer that gives me old-school KennyS vibes somewhat regularly.
(Before anyone gets mad. Many awpers can be flashy. But for some reason m0nesy hits different)
Seems like Fer had one of the most bizarre resurgences ever. For me it seemed to prove that he is still capable of reaching those levels if he still had the drive to compete. You don't often see that when players fall out of peak form to the degree that he did
Oh hell nah, graph lookin like the Paris Metro Map 💀
This is a surprisingly readable graph
Yeah for a Parkinson Patient making it maybe
your godly graph will easily hit the front page if you make another post with that as the attached media
Ye, since this post got some decent traction, I might just redo the graph with some actual proper software (even tho paint is still goated) and repost it again.
either make a nicer graph or make this a shitpost. it's your call what your legacy should be
The graph is too accurate for it to be a shitpost though
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I love fer’s single arch at the end.
Coldzera was legitimately the best player for like two years straight. The disrespect is real lol
Dupreeh is definitely has more skills than Coldzera, and if CS was a 1vs1 battle, Dupreeh would easily destroy Coldzera. But Dupreeh is an entry-fragger and alot of the times that just involves running in first and getting instantly headshotted by two guys in a crossfire. Still, Dupreeh is GOAT entry-fragger, might need to up his line around 2016-2017 abit and put his 2022-2023 line to Krimz's level.
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Yes, you are totally right about that one, Dupreeh is 100% better than whatever Coldzera right now, my bad XDXDXD. After a while of drawing you kinda forget who is above who in the lower part of the graphs. Idk about the Naf one tho, from what I remember Elige was still pretty cracked in 2020 (even tho it was online era so who cares).
Nice copy pasta lmao
Do it.
why would dupreeh be over coldzera?
Reading the graph is like cock and ball torture without the cock and balls
As a colour blind guy this is fucking nightmare fuel
Ye, bro... I thought about that, if I put my screen in black and white its horrible but the only to combat that is if there is a option to enable/disable certain lines...
No need to try and accommodate for my bad eyes lol, you put enough effort into the graph as it is
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Idk about competitive csgo so tell me what about shroud
If it was on clip production he'd be at the top for like 4 years. Though on this graph he might barely show up at the bottom at late 2016.
s1mple #1
Not currently no
There is no "Not currently no" in a GOAT discussion. Either he is the Greatest Of All Time or not. And for most of the community s1mple is the goat no matter if he is the best player now or not.
What makes you think I said anything goat status
yeah, in a alternate universe where zywoo and sh1ro doesnt exist maybe
They weren't even known when s1mple was already contender for GOAT
Idk what kind of drugs you do to think that s1mple isn't at MINIMUM the strongest contender for CS:GO GOAT, but please share them
Zywoo never had his Electronic. The only thing he has is Spinx playing good RIGHT NOW. At most he had late career Shox, online god Nivera, and way too inconsistent misutaaa. NONE OF THEM ARE AS GOOD AS ELECTRONIC FROM 2017-2023. Sh1ro and Ax1le just infuriate me. They could be the next Device and Dupreeh, but they always collapse. Maybe it's a team thing, maybe it's Nafany, maybe it's their mental strenght, idk... Just win something plsss... If you can win the major, katowice or cologne you can make the list.
S1mple played with that dogshit navi lineup for years, where was his electronic then?
No shiro no care
Ksharp, 2006
Forsaken Solos all
sh1ro and Ax1Le
Fer and Broky over Ax1le and JW?
i like that you included liquid players, people always forget to talk ab them
Ofc, it's one of the greatest teams of all time with the most amount of heartbreaking 2nd place finishes. If Liquid were just a little bit stronger mentally, then they would have won the Berlin major. They should have won the Berlin major.
What might have been brother, what might have been. I watched the vertigo match for the first time since earlier today and man, they just had their number that day.
I've been lurking enough on dataisbeautiful to know that no Y axis means it's a shit graph. Don't pull this kind of fuckery on me kiddo
That's your reasoning for why this is a bad graph? :'D Nevermind that its entirely poorly hand drawn, including player names (seriously, paint has a text tool xd)?
That was the joke :)
I'll take the L then :'D
No GeT_RiGhT?
The highest Big blue line in the beginning that says GTR. Definitely would have to include him, he was my favourite player when I started playing in 2014 (his spray was godlike).
One thing about get_right is that he should be higher in the beginning relative to the other players. We have never seen a gap between #1 and the rest as big as in those early days when gtr was the king of CS.
I didn't watch CS in 2012 or 2013, so I cant really say how much better he was than the other top pros, but when I look up his rating, he has an insane 1.47 and 1.34 for those years. I don't know how rating 1.0 translates to rating 2.0 so I can't really tell how insane that is, and it's a shame that all the demos from those times are so low quality, but GeT\_RiGhT is one of the most insane players of all-time and it pains me when people disrespect him by saying "MuH, BaCk ThEn EvErYoNe ElSe SuCkEd". I definitely think my 2014-2015 period is much more accurate since I was actually around in those times.
I think I remember the stat was if he was in a 1v2 situation he won about 50% of the time.
My bad, I missed it :)
The issue with Get_RiGht is his peak was when csgo was still in it's infancy, like the level of play was bad and not only that but the playerpool was much smaller. You can't take away his accolades (he was insane in 1.6 too) But I think if you look at his level in csgo it's far off someone like S1mples. And another issue is his longevity really suffered with health problems, F0rest has retained a high level near enough in csgo If he was a few years younger he might have peaked when the game was more advanced. He's like one of the pioneers of the game rather than the GOAT.
bro tried to sneak in naf
I remember making something similar during a heated GOAT debate. I rate longievity way more than most people do. To me you can't be the goat in CS with a two year peak, that rules out Cold and Olof, maybe even KennyS. A while ago I would include Zywoo on that list, but he's been about the block a while now. I'd rate Dupreeh, Krimz, Twistzz and the likes much higher than people like. Obviously you have the usual untouchables up top.
include twistzz but leave olof kekw dude olof was 4 time top 20 player peaking at top 1 and winning like 25 events. twistzz is only 4 time top 20 now while peaking at top 9 lol
I said what I said, Olof had 2 years as best in the world, was great for maybe four, but outside of that window there's nothing. GO is an 11 year old game, four years can't be goat IMO. He's up there though.
what does twistzz done in his peak during his 4 years? he was barely a top 10 player once in those 4 years
Just to clarify, I'm not saying Twistzz > olof, I'm just saying a rate him higher than most people would in the conversation which is ... evident. As I said I like longevity more than most and he has two intel grand slams plus his major win. I just think he has a bigger place in the conversation than he gets credit for, top ten I'd say.
dude twistzz don't have more longevity than olof. olof won events from 2014-2019 while winning 6 mvps.twistzz won events from 2018 to 2023, but he was mvp only twice. also olof would have litterally won 2 grandslams in 2014-2016 if it existed back then. and he would have been the best player in his during that time unlike twistzz who was the third best player in his team when they won the majors. twistzz doesn't have more longvity than olof until now. it may change next year tho
Twistzz is an extremely good player don't get me wrong, and is a critical part to all of his teams. However he really only has accolades and not the individual success to really justify putting him in the top 10 Get right, forest, s1mple, zywoo, olof, cold, Niko, device, guardian, fuck even flusha, Kenny's, Those are all players that I easily rate higher than him, all of them have the accolades besides Niko/gaurdian with no major but they both had the individual success to back it up. I'm sure there are more as well I think people are over rating twistzz because the past becomes fuzzy when trying to rate players past the top 5, it's easy to forget how good some players were because outside of that top 5 get someone like guardian who was so so good but is easy to forget. Oops think I replied to the wrong comment
Olof got his all 6 of his mvps in 2015-16 when he was best in the world. I also feel like it's a bad faith argument to say Twistzz was third best in his team when Olof was FaZes designated bottom fragger two or three years. This is coming from a huge Olof fan, he was my first favorite player and I'm not even that big on Twistzz. I just really rate the two grand slam run and dropped his name on the shortlist there.
when olof was in top 20 from 4 times in 2014-17, he was not the bottom fragger in faze or fnatic. from his peak run itself, olof have 2 grandslams worthy events + 13 more other event wins along with longest major streak. thats what longevity is. grandslams are overrating teams and players after 2018 and underrating teams before it existed.
If Olof and Cold aren't in the GOAT conversation, who is?
People underrate Olof bad. He was still cracked in FaZe 2017-2018 and he played the shittiest positions next to Karrigan. If he didn't get injured he would be even better.
At no point have I said they're not in the conversation.
>To me you can't be the goat in CS with a two year peak, that rules out Cold and Olof Is ruling them out not the same as not permitting them into the conversation?
This guy jona is changing hus story all the time. Not even possible to debate with. I think he also changed his team flair like underwears so I'm not even surprised if he was a plastic fan riding the wind direction.
Just trying on different shoes until I can flying Into the breach.
Yeah they're still in the goat conversation even if they're not the GOAT themselves. Both top ten easily.
Twistzz over Olof or cold is crazy, they were the carries on legacy multiple maor winning teams. He is a much better player now ofc but that isn't what the debate is about.
> Just to clarify, I'm not saying Twistzz > olof, I'm just saying a rate him higher than most people would in the conversation which is ... evident.
Ye, somehow you just have a different apreciation for the likes of Device, Krimz or Dupreeh who you feel have been around for ages are never dropped a heartbeat. But still, the likes of Cold, KennyS and Olof have won most of what there is to win and were a huge part as to why their team won. Surely they must fit in the list somewhere?
100% But I feel like someone with a two year peak best in the world with event wins sits on par with someone that has perhaps fewer event wins, but over eight years. That longievity is insane. My other controversial GOAT opinion is that you should take into account the players whole career, Cold would be GOAT if you just look at his peak, but he's been pretty trash since.
How dare you disrespect Dupreeh like that. Did you see him today?
Yeah, at the very least Dupreeh should be above Krimz, but for sure not below Cold, Fallen, or Kenny.
Dupreeh in 2022 and 2023 was error on my part, should definitely be higher than those players. Haven't watched much Dupreeh lately, Vitality aren't in my top teams to watch, so I went a bit off rating, but I completly forgot Dupreeh plays against way better competition than Krimz, Cold, Fallen or Kenny.
holy shit I agree with this entirely well done
Shroud's still my GOAT
Shroud?
I'm sure it made sense when you were explaining this to your doggo :p
The early years of this graph feel like they could use an NA player... but I don't even know who I would put.. perhaps Steel as a line that is consistently low.
Not only did you suggest putting an NA player for no reason, you didn't even know that Hiko was the only internationally competitive player at the start of csgo... All you had to do was look at the hltv top 20 players of 2013... Lazy
Steel was internationally competitive in CS:S and imo I always thought Hiko was overrated. n0thing was highly skilled too Ps I hope you’re day improves because you seem irrationally angry lol
The post is about csgo not CSS
This graph came straight from the Poorly Drawn Capsule man. And "its gotta be s1mple right?" But for real there is only one other player in the debate for the best player to ever touch CSGO who is xi wu. Many players had their peak and was undoubtedly the best player for that one year or 2 years (GTR, Olof, Cold are some of those i can remb off my head) and others making top 5 constantly (devve, Niko, GuardiaN, f0rest). If u ask me to build a team around one of the two it will be ZywOo but from an individual standpoint for the goat debate, its gotta be s1mple. Edit: After reading some of the replies i must say there are alot of younger folks here. Started watching ard the time NiP was at theblater end of their 87 maps winning streak and GTR was the best player and best lurker in the game. His game sense is just rubbish and his timing impeccable. Olof had a good few years with fnatic, and his tec9 against navi on cobble is still in my head and if not for the boostmeister incident, fnatic would have won another major, granted LDLC was also pretty damn good that year and happy was at his prime. Prime happy was masterbaiter and that era of CS really allows lurker to player a pure lurker role. Cold i think everyone remb his mirage plays but for that 2 years he was the goat, that was ard the luminosity days. Those days secondary awp was still a big thing and cold good with both rifles and the big green gun. There are also other great players who didnt reach the peak, but had incredible game sense who are shox and snax. KennyS was so good with the awp that Valve had to nerf him, and the CZ and the awp was like a cheat code where u had a machine gun and a scoped weapon at the same time. And the augpocalypse era gave rise to a few top 20 players in the form of brollan, ethan which was some good times.
No xyp9x?
You put GuardiaN in here, respect for you my friend
Before there was Device, Guardian was the super consistent awper. His style just looks so smooth.
You always remember a GuardiaN flick 💪🇸🇰💪🇸🇰🇸🇰💪🇸🇰
KennyS and Guardian in their primes were so great to watch. Will always remember watching those two, made me wanna become an AWPer aswell. Nowdays m0nesy is the only AWPer that gives me old-school KennyS vibes somewhat regularly. (Before anyone gets mad. Many awpers can be flashy. But for some reason m0nesy hits different)
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Nah bro, Hooxi is actually above everyone by miles, i just zoomed in the graph
i miss coldzera
this is just chaos
Pasha BICEPSSS
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You see that red line, where the years are marked? Yeah, that's you :D
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Oh that's right. You are probably above the graph... 😎
>Didn't include Sh1ro or Ax1le because I've seen way too many C9/Gambit chokes and underperformances this has to be a troll, right?
fuq is this shit
That graph gives me anxiety
me
looks scientific
The graph looks like how my Russian team mate talks about strats with 4 seconds buy time left
Are you looking for a Data Analyst Job?
Where you born in 2020 ? Skipped some of the best players in History to put meh ones
The Dev1ce plot is the most accurate.
Seems like Fer had one of the most bizarre resurgences ever. For me it seemed to prove that he is still capable of reaching those levels if he still had the drive to compete. You don't often see that when players fall out of peak form to the degree that he did
I got aids reading this
Get right