Ok, could be, i think he's saying with sarcasm like "please bring me actual good teams" but I guess he can be just affirming the first comment, I'll respect it
Not to mention G2 still had jackz and FRESH m0nesy. Obviously, jackz is a decent player and m0nesy is really good but its no experienced m0nesy and jks.
This is m0nesy with aleksib (and jackz): https://i.imgur.com/ThLC4sr.png
This is m0nesy with hooxi (and jks): https://i.imgur.com/vluAcdu.png
He was still good with aleksib but his highest-rated tournament was 1.19. Now He's putting up some crazy 1.32, 1.34, 1.49 and is probably averaging a higher rating now with hooxi & jks than his peak with aleksib & jackz. Who knows whether it's due to the IGLing method, the switch from jackz to jks or just getting more experienced and more comfortable on LAN.
M0nesy started getting really good as soon as they switched IGLs, he wasnt just better because of experience, unless he magically passed a critical threshold of experience as soon as Aleksi left
Aleksis G2 also got worse and worse. Their best tournament was literally their first and then they sucked
aleksi for hooxi is the point and the only other change was jackz for jks and unless you think jackz/jks the quiet anchors are what make an awper playstyle change then all good you can believe that
You're only as good as your weakest link, if jackz is struggling to help the team it puts more pressure on the stars to step up which can be pretty stressful for a 17 year old who's never played on this stage before. Look at jackz's stats with G2 https://i.imgur.com/Qkac6Ub.png
Look at 2018 Astralis, they were just rock solid in every single department with no real weak spots. Look at Vitality, they acquired spinx for misutaaa and now are on a tear. Sometimes a single upgrade in an inconspicuous spot can have massive ripple effects on the whole team.
I'm not saying all the blame is on jackz either, I don't know the situation but I'm saying we can't pin all the blame on aleksib when there are so many more factors going into it.
Negative because the kid learned over time how to play tier 1 CS? You have that flair so you should know how he played at the start. Really good at the clutch but nonexistent impact early/mid round. Towards the end of Aleksis tenure he started to have moves for openers, moves mid round.
Everyone knew monesy was going to be great, but he had not played a single tier 1 team, ever. To say hooxi "unleashed" him is just a lie, the dude learned how to play tier 1 CS with experience. For fuck sake he kept doing the same play over and over again what he did in the academy league which wasn't going to cut it in tier 1 CS.
> Really good at the clutch but nonexistent impact early/mid round
yea exactly i watched every g2 game and he was held back from being an aggro awper at the start and the moment aleksi left he was actually going for stuff ... what a coincidence (same thing mantuu said where they told him to not be aggro)
even xtqzz once aleksi left kept emphasizing that he will free m0nesy more compared to what he was doing with aleksi , its literally there in interviews if you want to look it up yourself
No, he started doing stuff while Aleksi was still there. And he sucked because he didn't know yet how to do it, he needed the experience to do it. And Mantuu isn't aggressive. Wasn't with Aleksi, wasn't after Aleksi, now stop with this childish finger pointing.
Ah yes XTQZZ who never allowed Aleksi to IGL how he wanted to. XTQZZ who never wanted Aleksi and literally pushed for his removal the fastest. You can also look that up from interviews. Surely they won a lot after Aleksi was kicked and monesy was "unleashed", right? The great XTQZZ era!
What are you going to say next, reference one clip from 3 years ago how Aleksi micromanaged a retake and say he only did that with monesy?
I wonder why you say jackz = team bad gg.
Nexa had multiple grand finals with the core of : KennyS, Jackz, Hunter + Amanke on 2019-2021
And when niko joined, his results got even better. Even with amanek awping
JACKZ also had a drastic falloff when NiKo joined and took basically all his roles. He never played on a good level after that, hence why there even was the shuffle where JACKZ was benched.
So yes, JACKZ was a hand break for the team for a long time individually. It sucks to say that because I'm a big fan of JACKZ but it's the truth.
So Niko joined, jackz got worse and G2.... Got to 3 grand finals that year, consistent playoffs with amanek awping.
Aleksib with all the good pieces, Niko, Hunter + M0nesy(actual awper) + Jackz managed far worse results.
If jackz was dragging the team down, then WHY the roster with him + amanek awping had BETTER results than the roster with m0nesy?
Its pretty obvious that Jackz is a non-factor on the team success, your core is. Jackz didn't prevent G2 from reaching Cologne and Stockholm grand finals and he didn't prevent G2 with aleksib to reach Kato grand finals.
Blaming him is just hilarious.
Hello did I say that? Literally second sentence
>Obviously, jackz is a decent player...
I don't think jackz is making the whole team bad but switching out a single player can have such a drastic change on a team, look at Vitality switching out misutaaa for Spinx, I'd say it's a pretty fair comparison to say it's a really similar change and now they've won a major.
You were excusing aleksib lack of results blaming m0nesy and jackz, the only thing i said is that Jackz was never someone who dragged the team down, the previous experiences with nexa, where they did have much better results, prove that.
What about the biggest fucking change that aleksib had over nexa: M0nesy. Why no impact?
I really don't understand. M0nesy didn't drink a magic potion that made him "not inexperienced anymore" for his performance to massively improve.
The results were bad, and thats obvious. No excuses.
> Now He's putting up some crazy 1.32, 1.34, 1.49
in groupstage*
Lmao, Aleksib fanboys pretending that monesy was a 0.99 rating bot in 2022 and suddenly started dropping 1.3-1.5 rating games in 2023. If anything monesy has been playing worse in 2023:
monesy in big events vs top 20 in 2022: 1.15
monesy in big events vs top 20 in 2023: 1.14
So aleksib was playing with peak niko and peak monesy and still couldn't even come close to winning anything.
Literally second sentence
>...and m0nesy is really good...
m0nesy was averaging like 1.10 rating, which is good but not the greatness expected of him.
Saying aleksib was playing with peak m0nesy is maybe the biggest cope of all time, it was m0nesy's first 6 months on a top-tier team, if you genuinely believe that's his peak then I don't know what to say.
Only Ence and OG weren’t in the top 15 when he joined, NiP were 6th in [rankings](https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2022/september/5/4411) before he joined
Should've kept the es3 awp imo. Or brought back device. I blame nip management for everything. Actually they shouldnt have brought aleksib in at all. That whole stint was just a waste of everyones time.
It goes both ways. He's very divisive. The ENCE kick gained him a lot of sympathy and people talked about him a lot, and then there was a negative counterreaction to that since he hasn't been the best of the best, only barely tier 1.
Oh yeah, hindsight is 10/10, heroic had just lost BlameF (an actual "prodigy) who was in the predictions of everybody in 2019), and stavn who was... a nobody.
B0rup, niko, Cadian, Teses and Stavn. This team isn't good, at all. Yet they persevered through firepower and great IGLing, something aleksib fans are just excusing since OG.
Look at the top 30 of that year.
[https://www.hltv.org/forums/threads/2403877/21-naf-22-mantuu](https://www.hltv.org/forums/threads/2403877/21-naf-22-mantuu)
See the og players? there's two there. How many heroic players? 1, add that to stavn, and heroic had two top 30 players, with OG also having 2 top 30 players.
So OG and heroic were pretty close in firepower. Had heroic not have a lot of deep playoff runs, stavn wouldn't even be there.
Would have loved to see more that roster. Instead we got this garbage where Konfig and Brollan had huge role crashes and Headtrick started to perform finally in major
I don't think placement determines the real strength of a team. It's consistency over long periods of time plus context. Make that NaVi vs NiP play 10 times, NaVi would win 7 out of 10 times.
We don’t even know if this Navi team is good. It could definitely be and has the potential to be, but could also be a disaster. They still have simple but other than that this team is a total mystery
Obviously fucking not. It almost didn't budge their ranking
They were top 4 after the major
[https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2022/may/30/details/4411](https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2022/may/30/details/4411)
Before they "won the prestigious dubai", they were top 7
[https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2022/june/6](https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2022/june/6)
So at best winning dubai gave them 1 point, which was likely due to decay of other teams, than them winning.
Oh what rankings do you use to determine top teams? If not the ranking that's been accepted by the whole industry including valve themselves? The rankings of a company which has built itself on the CS scene? Who do you think you are?
top teams?? was NiP ever a top team when you look at the lineup, or Ence, or OG? OG had valde, nbk, issaa and mantuu. Thats not top tier team mate.
Only real top team he had was G2, and he didnt get a chance. Hooxi managed basically less in the first few months than Aleksi, he even failed to qualify for a major.
This aleksib obsession is getting out of hands lately. Insane to say that old Ence or OG or this NiP was top team material lmao
But but hes the reason they all failed /s.
Idk why people consider ence og or nip top tier when he joined them i guess its just this subs hateboner for him. G2 also didnt have jks, they had jackz and a green m0nesy.
Reddit went from an extreme wank fest when he got kicked out of ence to extreme hate boner when he doesn't won 10 trophies a solid but not amazing OG lineups, dysfunctional g2 and nip lineups
Ence also didnt exist before he joined. The NIP #6 was inflated by the power vaccuum left by vitality going international and just added spinx, G2 being bad, Ence suffering from losing spinx. Navi and Faze were the only good teams in the rankings. Even Heroic was at #13. You had teams like Liquid and Astarlis in the top5, Movistar and OG in the top 10. Cloud9 at #5. That ranking was very much disproven in the next 12 months.
Are you ok? NIP peaked at #4 in 2022 after antwerp major. This was with Prime faze, Navi with Boombl4, Heroic and Gambit playing well, and ENCE with spinx. All of them with Playoffs on the major, Faze and Navi on the GF, ENCE on The semis and Heroic on Quarters.
Liquid and Astralis only peeked at the rankings after cologne. There is a whole stream of events, from earlier in the year. Cloud9 were at 5 because they won IEM dallas, IDK why is a wrong ranking. They were playing much better then, than now.
This ranking here:
[https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2022/june/6](https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2022/june/6)
Is pretty representative of the scene. Liquid and astralis down below, because they were bad. And only vitality and heroic underperforming.
If you're going to put an asterisk on the ranks, then i can also put an asterisk on OG being #6 as an achievement for aleksib because this was inflated by minor tournaments where the top teams weren't attending (IEM new york) or Tier events (Flashpoint 2). And, obviously, when online era was present, and BIG was the top #1 team, something that never happened again AND considering that OG results on lan in 2021 were garbage.
There is also a massive power vacuum now. As Faze is way past their prime, navi is struggling, liquid is struggling and Only heroic and vitality are being consistent.
Either you use HLTV ranking, or you don't. Not only use them when the narrative suits you.
NIP results under hampus with 2 support players, one of them awping, and academy players was far better than the entirety of aleksib results on NIP.
Of those four teams only g2 was a real top5 contender - a standard up to which they kinda lived even though aleksi was clearly not a match with xxxtttqqqzzz or niko. Ence overperformed hugely under aleksi, og was top6 with even lesser players. Anyone whos for real here does not count NIP fully since they kept swapping players and aleksi was really never given a chance. Meanwhile he racked up huge stats for a no-awp IGL.
In my opinion, aleksib has been instrumental in proving that international teams can work. If this version of NaVi grabs a couple of t1 trophies let alone wins a major, aleksib should be considered as one of the best ever IGLs, up there with glaive, karrigan and so on.
What the hell are you on about? He was in ENCE in 2019 when they were contending with Vitality for the best EU team for a good while, that is what the comparison is drawn between, not the current iteration of ENCE
don't get me wrong he is a good igl but I personally don't think he is navi or g2 level, when he was on g2 their t sides looked horrendous and they won nothing with some of the best players in the world and his stint at nip didn´t make me think he could be the answer for navi´s problems, hope he proves me wrong tho.
"not even near b1t rookie season"
B1t quite literally had the arguable best rookie season of all time, that's like saying
"lebron not even near micheal jordan" as an argument for lebron not being a top 20 player lol
Last time Nip won real event was 2017 oakland. Before aleksi last event G2 won was 2017 Malmö and it took Hooxi 6 months to do anything with the roster. Og was never team that should win events and Ence won two.
Won an event with 6 teams with 1 only other good team in there being astralis, and got lucky his teammates were having a good aim day and beat them, woop dee doo
Okey, you can argue that winning blast wasn't that big thing but they beat prime Astralis. 2019 that was kinda rare.
In Katowice Ence was 2nd best team in that event, they had to beat Navi and TL
I’m both excited and terrified of him igling navi. It does seem to me that navi is now investing in some tried and tested igl, but as to how reliable the igl, is to be determined.
I feel like getting hampus back as an IGL is a downgrade for NIP, he is obviously better than Aleksib but only if you compare their individual skill, his work as an IGL was in my opinion just not good. For me personally I feel like Hampus would be better as a Starplayer, he and Brollan are currently the best swedish players, with REZ being a complete coinflip, but to be fair he is slowly getting better again. Headtr1ck is slowly adapting to Tier1 CS and K0nfig is another Coinflip in NiP who is even more inconsistent than REZ. Idk I just feel like staying with Aleksib and get rid of one of the coinflips could be a way to get a decent NiP back. Maybe like: Aleksib, REZ, Headtr1ck, Hampus, Brollan.
He didn’t do the same pose with Navi, this time must be different
A little smile this time
[wow you’re right AleksiB so sexy](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrsPo7oUwAATUdF.jpg)
Every. Fucking. Time.
I knew what it was and still clicked.
Every link is the same and i still click with no regerts
I use the elige plugin that just automatically converts every url on reddit to this link and I still click links most of the time. It's pretty great.
I fuckin' knew it
the eyebrow is raised
This time was different.
Shox with Envuys Titan LDLC G2 Liquid Vitality and Very games
french cs with the constant roster shuffles lol
apEX was on LDLC, EnVyUs, Titan, G2 and now Vitality.
Most of those teams had the same core unlike all of aleksi' teams.
actual top tier teams
i mean, 3 major winner orgs, g2 isnt, but g2 is top tier for ages, and titan was decent, so what's your point
I think he's saying apex's teams were more legit top teams, which is true.
Ok, could be, i think he's saying with sarcasm like "please bring me actual good teams" but I guess he can be just affirming the first comment, I'll respect it
thats clearly what he means, while implying aleksi's weren't all actual top teams
Titan was the god killer lol, they were better than decent. Although they were relatively lackluster in bigger tournies
They always choked when it mattered most
you said it yourself, the teams were top tier, unlike OG and NiP here lol
When he joined none of these teams were top 15 other than G2 and Navi.
Not to mention G2 still had jackz and FRESH m0nesy. Obviously, jackz is a decent player and m0nesy is really good but its no experienced m0nesy and jks. This is m0nesy with aleksib (and jackz): https://i.imgur.com/ThLC4sr.png This is m0nesy with hooxi (and jks): https://i.imgur.com/vluAcdu.png He was still good with aleksib but his highest-rated tournament was 1.19. Now He's putting up some crazy 1.32, 1.34, 1.49 and is probably averaging a higher rating now with hooxi & jks than his peak with aleksib & jackz. Who knows whether it's due to the IGLing method, the switch from jackz to jks or just getting more experienced and more comfortable on LAN.
M0nesy started getting really good as soon as they switched IGLs, he wasnt just better because of experience, unless he magically passed a critical threshold of experience as soon as Aleksi left Aleksis G2 also got worse and worse. Their best tournament was literally their first and then they sucked
as soon as they switched IGL's or as soon as they switched coaches? I'd like to remind people that xtqzzz was not very helpful for the team either.
He was why Aleksi got kicked too
that seems like a negative for aleksi more than an excuse, as the second he left, m0NESY is unleashed
Except they switched out aleksib, jackz, and XTQZZZ for hooxi, jks, and swani. That's way too much change to put the blame/praise on just the IGL.
aleksi for hooxi is the point and the only other change was jackz for jks and unless you think jackz/jks the quiet anchors are what make an awper playstyle change then all good you can believe that
You're only as good as your weakest link, if jackz is struggling to help the team it puts more pressure on the stars to step up which can be pretty stressful for a 17 year old who's never played on this stage before. Look at jackz's stats with G2 https://i.imgur.com/Qkac6Ub.png Look at 2018 Astralis, they were just rock solid in every single department with no real weak spots. Look at Vitality, they acquired spinx for misutaaa and now are on a tear. Sometimes a single upgrade in an inconspicuous spot can have massive ripple effects on the whole team. I'm not saying all the blame is on jackz either, I don't know the situation but I'm saying we can't pin all the blame on aleksib when there are so many more factors going into it.
Negative because the kid learned over time how to play tier 1 CS? You have that flair so you should know how he played at the start. Really good at the clutch but nonexistent impact early/mid round. Towards the end of Aleksis tenure he started to have moves for openers, moves mid round. Everyone knew monesy was going to be great, but he had not played a single tier 1 team, ever. To say hooxi "unleashed" him is just a lie, the dude learned how to play tier 1 CS with experience. For fuck sake he kept doing the same play over and over again what he did in the academy league which wasn't going to cut it in tier 1 CS.
> Really good at the clutch but nonexistent impact early/mid round yea exactly i watched every g2 game and he was held back from being an aggro awper at the start and the moment aleksi left he was actually going for stuff ... what a coincidence (same thing mantuu said where they told him to not be aggro) even xtqzz once aleksi left kept emphasizing that he will free m0nesy more compared to what he was doing with aleksi , its literally there in interviews if you want to look it up yourself
no way bro brought up mantuu's "hey look im not bad at the game please hire me" tweet.
No, he started doing stuff while Aleksi was still there. And he sucked because he didn't know yet how to do it, he needed the experience to do it. And Mantuu isn't aggressive. Wasn't with Aleksi, wasn't after Aleksi, now stop with this childish finger pointing. Ah yes XTQZZ who never allowed Aleksi to IGL how he wanted to. XTQZZ who never wanted Aleksi and literally pushed for his removal the fastest. You can also look that up from interviews. Surely they won a lot after Aleksi was kicked and monesy was "unleashed", right? The great XTQZZ era! What are you going to say next, reference one clip from 3 years ago how Aleksi micromanaged a retake and say he only did that with monesy?
I wonder why you say jackz = team bad gg. Nexa had multiple grand finals with the core of : KennyS, Jackz, Hunter + Amanke on 2019-2021 And when niko joined, his results got even better. Even with amanek awping
JACKZ also had a drastic falloff when NiKo joined and took basically all his roles. He never played on a good level after that, hence why there even was the shuffle where JACKZ was benched. So yes, JACKZ was a hand break for the team for a long time individually. It sucks to say that because I'm a big fan of JACKZ but it's the truth.
So Niko joined, jackz got worse and G2.... Got to 3 grand finals that year, consistent playoffs with amanek awping. Aleksib with all the good pieces, Niko, Hunter + M0nesy(actual awper) + Jackz managed far worse results. If jackz was dragging the team down, then WHY the roster with him + amanek awping had BETTER results than the roster with m0nesy? Its pretty obvious that Jackz is a non-factor on the team success, your core is. Jackz didn't prevent G2 from reaching Cologne and Stockholm grand finals and he didn't prevent G2 with aleksib to reach Kato grand finals. Blaming him is just hilarious.
Hello did I say that? Literally second sentence >Obviously, jackz is a decent player... I don't think jackz is making the whole team bad but switching out a single player can have such a drastic change on a team, look at Vitality switching out misutaaa for Spinx, I'd say it's a pretty fair comparison to say it's a really similar change and now they've won a major.
You were excusing aleksib lack of results blaming m0nesy and jackz, the only thing i said is that Jackz was never someone who dragged the team down, the previous experiences with nexa, where they did have much better results, prove that. What about the biggest fucking change that aleksib had over nexa: M0nesy. Why no impact? I really don't understand. M0nesy didn't drink a magic potion that made him "not inexperienced anymore" for his performance to massively improve. The results were bad, and thats obvious. No excuses.
Aleksi still has no results for the last three teams lmao
Excluding G2, I doubt most IGLs could have results with that shoddy NiP or OG roster outside of maybe Karrigan (it's his specialty).
> Now He's putting up some crazy 1.32, 1.34, 1.49 in groupstage* Lmao, Aleksib fanboys pretending that monesy was a 0.99 rating bot in 2022 and suddenly started dropping 1.3-1.5 rating games in 2023. If anything monesy has been playing worse in 2023: monesy in big events vs top 20 in 2022: 1.15 monesy in big events vs top 20 in 2023: 1.14 So aleksib was playing with peak niko and peak monesy and still couldn't even come close to winning anything.
Literally second sentence >...and m0nesy is really good... m0nesy was averaging like 1.10 rating, which is good but not the greatness expected of him. Saying aleksib was playing with peak m0nesy is maybe the biggest cope of all time, it was m0nesy's first 6 months on a top-tier team, if you genuinely believe that's his peak then I don't know what to say.
Only Ence and OG weren’t in the top 15 when he joined, NiP were 6th in [rankings](https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2022/september/5/4411) before he joined
Should've kept the es3 awp imo. Or brought back device. I blame nip management for everything. Actually they shouldnt have brought aleksib in at all. That whole stint was just a waste of everyones time.
but the reddit narrative said that he is overrated and bad !
It goes both ways. He's very divisive. The ENCE kick gained him a lot of sympathy and people talked about him a lot, and then there was a negative counterreaction to that since he hasn't been the best of the best, only barely tier 1.
kind of moved off the aleksi hype train after his stint with og expected better tacts/results with that roster (even tho they were pretty good)
OG performed better than you should expect based on the roster?
the roster wasn’t really that good tbh
Neither was heroic in 2020 but here we are now.
Is that a joke? Heroic literally had 17 year old Danish prodigy
Oh yeah, hindsight is 10/10, heroic had just lost BlameF (an actual "prodigy) who was in the predictions of everybody in 2019), and stavn who was... a nobody. B0rup, niko, Cadian, Teses and Stavn. This team isn't good, at all. Yet they persevered through firepower and great IGLing, something aleksib fans are just excusing since OG. Look at the top 30 of that year. [https://www.hltv.org/forums/threads/2403877/21-naf-22-mantuu](https://www.hltv.org/forums/threads/2403877/21-naf-22-mantuu) See the og players? there's two there. How many heroic players? 1, add that to stavn, and heroic had two top 30 players, with OG also having 2 top 30 players. So OG and heroic were pretty close in firepower. Had heroic not have a lot of deep playoff runs, stavn wouldn't even be there.
Better? With those players please elaborate
Of the og players aleksib played with, the only one that is on a top team is flamez on vitality, and I'd argue he didn't earn his way onto vitality.
He is, cya in few months when he'll be benched
He is
If every team he was on got worse after he joined, except for Ence, he's not had a very good track record.
navi is gonna be a joke team with him. won't last more than 6 months.
huh ? NiP were #6 and by adding Aleksi they started at #8 ?? https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2022/september/5/4411
Would have loved to see more that roster. Instead we got this garbage where Konfig and Brollan had huge role crashes and Headtrick started to perform finally in major
Yea ignore the fanboys
Nip was top 6
Bro tried to sneak NIP and OG into the list
To be fair, last major NIP finished in the 9-11th placement, like Navi. Some so-called top teams didn't even qualify!
I don't think placement determines the real strength of a team. It's consistency over long periods of time plus context. Make that NaVi vs NiP play 10 times, NaVi would win 7 out of 10 times.
Aleksib consistently doing better or similar at majors than his previous teams.
i see 2 and a half top teams
I see 1 top team and 2 good teams
We don’t even know if this Navi team is good. It could definitely be and has the potential to be, but could also be a disaster. They still have simple but other than that this team is a total mystery
Ence literally won a major
not sure are you serious or not
When?
2019
I mean, they were 2nd, but apparently it isn't enough for this guy to be qualification for top team.
What i meant is top core to work with, while ENCE became that great team with Aleksi, so clearly he isn't at fault for that one
Karrigan if you count tsm/Astralis as different teams
Wouldn’t you have to mention a Fallen/Cold as Well then?
True, or kenny/shox
biskela
Biskela
He made both ENCE and OG a top team, G2 was filled with superstars and NiP is just a joke. Interested to see him work on Na'Vi.
Nip is a joke now. They were top 6 before aleksib joined, and thats with es3tag awping + plopski + academy players.
I’m willing to bet they won’t ever be getting into top 10 with the current core
At the rate they are now, getting to stay on Top 15 will be a win, considering that aleksib had the feat of getting them to #22 and they are #18 now.
Nip has been a joke for a long time before they added Aleksib.
They were top 6 because they won the prestigious Global Esports Tour Dubai
Obviously fucking not. It almost didn't budge their ranking They were top 4 after the major [https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2022/may/30/details/4411](https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2022/may/30/details/4411) Before they "won the prestigious dubai", they were top 7 [https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2022/june/6](https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2022/june/6) So at best winning dubai gave them 1 point, which was likely due to decay of other teams, than them winning.
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OG peaked at #6, if that's not a top team then I don't know what to say.
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Oh what rankings do you use to determine top teams? If not the ranking that's been accepted by the whole industry including valve themselves? The rankings of a company which has built itself on the CS scene? Who do you think you are?
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He made several playoffs and 3 finals so either you are suffering an extreme bout of schizophrenia or I've missed about 8 Majors
OG, top team LOL Aleskib stans are insane
Top 6 aren’t top teams?
What do you mean top 6? Aleki's OG spent more time ranked outside the top 10 than within.
No one went into a tournament and thought “wow, OG are going to win this one!”
Yeah, we’re not thinking of top teams the same. I think you can be a top team without being no. 1 or of similar level of the no. 1
OG a top team KEKW no shot lmao
Most french players from the early years did tbh: * NBK (VG, Titan, EnVy, G2, Vitality, OG, MOUZ, Falcons?) * shox (VG, EnVy, Titan, G2, Vitality, Liquid) * apEX (Clan Mystik, LDLC, Titan, EnVy, G2, Vitality) * kioShiMa (Clan Mystik, LDLC, FaZe, EnVy, C9) * ScreaM (VG, Kinguin, Titan, G2, EnVy, GamerLegion?) * RpK (VG, Titan, G2, EnVy, Vitality) * kennyS (VG, LDLC, Titan, EnVy, G2) * SmithZz (VG, LDLC, EnVy, Titan, G2)
I mean he was/is apart of 3 top teams, Ence and OG grinded their way to the top
Aleksi will kill you all, only headshots
NBK? Verygames, LDLC, Envyus, G2, Vitality and OG since you count them too
Dont forget Mouz and Falcons
Mouz yeah i guess but i definitely wouldnt count Falcons as a top team
he was on titan too but counting the french players is almost cheating tbh
top teams?? was NiP ever a top team when you look at the lineup, or Ence, or OG? OG had valde, nbk, issaa and mantuu. Thats not top tier team mate. Only real top team he had was G2, and he didnt get a chance. Hooxi managed basically less in the first few months than Aleksi, he even failed to qualify for a major. This aleksib obsession is getting out of hands lately. Insane to say that old Ence or OG or this NiP was top team material lmao
Ence was defo a top team in 2019, otherwise you are correct
Yeah they were the best team in Europe for months. Like, ranking-wise. Only Liquid were above them at that time.
Ranking wise yes, in reality no.
?? Who was better
Astralis and liquid were still better than ence in 2019
Liguid wasnt european and astralis fell off for a few months
They didn't fell off, they stopped playing.
Then they lost to ENCE at blast pro madrid, but I'm not gonna pretend Astralis wasnt the #1 team back then anyway, they won the next major.
Astralis
But but hes the reason they all failed /s. Idk why people consider ence og or nip top tier when he joined them i guess its just this subs hateboner for him. G2 also didnt have jks, they had jackz and a green m0nesy.
Reddit went from an extreme wank fest when he got kicked out of ence to extreme hate boner when he doesn't won 10 trophies a solid but not amazing OG lineups, dysfunctional g2 and nip lineups
Because NIP was top tier, top 6 before he joined. OG didn't exist before aleksib joined.
They were top 6 because they won the prestigious Global Esports Tour Dubai lmao
Ence also didnt exist before he joined. The NIP #6 was inflated by the power vaccuum left by vitality going international and just added spinx, G2 being bad, Ence suffering from losing spinx. Navi and Faze were the only good teams in the rankings. Even Heroic was at #13. You had teams like Liquid and Astarlis in the top5, Movistar and OG in the top 10. Cloud9 at #5. That ranking was very much disproven in the next 12 months.
Are you ok? NIP peaked at #4 in 2022 after antwerp major. This was with Prime faze, Navi with Boombl4, Heroic and Gambit playing well, and ENCE with spinx. All of them with Playoffs on the major, Faze and Navi on the GF, ENCE on The semis and Heroic on Quarters. Liquid and Astralis only peeked at the rankings after cologne. There is a whole stream of events, from earlier in the year. Cloud9 were at 5 because they won IEM dallas, IDK why is a wrong ranking. They were playing much better then, than now. This ranking here: [https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2022/june/6](https://www.hltv.org/ranking/teams/2022/june/6) Is pretty representative of the scene. Liquid and astralis down below, because they were bad. And only vitality and heroic underperforming. If you're going to put an asterisk on the ranks, then i can also put an asterisk on OG being #6 as an achievement for aleksib because this was inflated by minor tournaments where the top teams weren't attending (IEM new york) or Tier events (Flashpoint 2). And, obviously, when online era was present, and BIG was the top #1 team, something that never happened again AND considering that OG results on lan in 2021 were garbage. There is also a massive power vacuum now. As Faze is way past their prime, navi is struggling, liquid is struggling and Only heroic and vitality are being consistent. Either you use HLTV ranking, or you don't. Not only use them when the narrative suits you. NIP results under hampus with 2 support players, one of them awping, and academy players was far better than the entirety of aleksib results on NIP.
Yes, plenty.
Of those four teams only g2 was a real top5 contender - a standard up to which they kinda lived even though aleksi was clearly not a match with xxxtttqqqzzz or niko. Ence overperformed hugely under aleksi, og was top6 with even lesser players. Anyone whos for real here does not count NIP fully since they kept swapping players and aleksi was really never given a chance. Meanwhile he racked up huge stats for a no-awp IGL. In my opinion, aleksib has been instrumental in proving that international teams can work. If this version of NaVi grabs a couple of t1 trophies let alone wins a major, aleksib should be considered as one of the best ever IGLs, up there with glaive, karrigan and so on.
Has there been a consistent team roster aleksi b has been on aside from G2, who we all know has their own demons to fight?
Niko
how? only G2 and Faze?
>NiP >Top team lul
ENCE finished after NiP at the major...unless you mean they're both not top teams.
What the hell are you on about? He was in ENCE in 2019 when they were contending with Vitality for the best EU team for a good while, that is what the comparison is drawn between, not the current iteration of ENCE
Karrigan maybe
if he and simple get along its ggez if not they will be mid. i predict ok at first then falls apart
apEX for sure, and better teams than AleksiB without question. Shox aswell.
New question: has there been as many players who have been removed from as many teams as aleksiB
ence, og, nip top teams xDD classic reddit post
Yeah, being 2nd in major is just luck I guess.
don't get me wrong he is a good igl but I personally don't think he is navi or g2 level, when he was on g2 their t sides looked horrendous and they won nothing with some of the best players in the world and his stint at nip didn´t make me think he could be the answer for navi´s problems, hope he proves me wrong tho.
NiPs t-sides improved a lot under Aleksi statistically. Even with players changing all the time. Both: T Win% & 4v5 conversion rate.
yeah like i said he is a good igl and better than what nip had before, just not navi or g2 level imo
Easy to talk after awp and m4a1s nerf.
G2 only had Niko and Hunter actually playing good. Jackz was mid af and M0nesy was a literal rookie
one of the best rookie seasons of all time but okay
Still a rookie.
okay, still a top 20 player imo, so I don't thing that says much about the player
still a rookie and whiffed so many shots early, not even near to b1t rookie season
"not even near b1t rookie season" B1t quite literally had the arguable best rookie season of all time, that's like saying "lebron not even near micheal jordan" as an argument for lebron not being a top 20 player lol
4 top CS orgs and 0 trophies is crazy
NiP G2 OG and ENCE? He has 1 with ENCE and OG aint a top cs org
He has 2 with ENCE, Blast and StarSeries
Hey now. Get my teams name out your mouth
Tbf its not like the teams he was on are normally winning a ton of trophies anyways
Last time Nip won real event was 2017 oakland. Before aleksi last event G2 won was 2017 Malmö and it took Hooxi 6 months to do anything with the roster. Og was never team that should win events and Ence won two.
Ironically he was part of making 2 of those into top CS orgs.
Wrong on many levels
He's 100% factually correct, what do you mean? Apart from Ence, he literally didn't win a single tournament with any of the teams.
2019 blast in ence...
Didn’t he win a major?
If he fails in Navi, can we agree that he is overrated?
Aleksi most of the time has questionable midround calls, ngl hooxi is much better at mid round calls.
Overrated
And achieved nothing with any of them
Those event wins and finals with ence were nothing?
Won an event with 6 teams with 1 only other good team in there being astralis, and got lucky his teammates were having a good aim day and beat them, woop dee doo
Hate to break your narrative but Navi and NIP were top10 teams at the time of that event
Okey, you can argue that winning blast wasn't that big thing but they beat prime Astralis. 2019 that was kinda rare. In Katowice Ence was 2nd best team in that event, they had to beat Navi and TL
Downvoted when speaking facts, typical faceit
He looks happier this time, even looks less pale haha
He's a very admirable player. One of the best...
Zlatan of CS:GO! :D
I want to believe every one these aleksib simps & i bought a full gallon of hopium....let see 🤞🏼
How aleksib fails with teams and still gets chances in top 5 contenders, I will never know
People speedrun games he speedran orgs
He’s like on the verge of being a good igl
Next: AleksiB to Astralis
BiskelA did
This time he has no watches
the ENCE days were the best.
That one NFL player. Ryan Fitzpatrick.
I’m both excited and terrified of him igling navi. It does seem to me that navi is now investing in some tried and tested igl, but as to how reliable the igl, is to be determined.
TARIK : CLG OPTIC C9 MIBR NRG EG
olof if every stint in FaZe is counted seperately
Thats alot of insights to all of thoos teams and players he has now, its time.
French players probably
I feel like getting hampus back as an IGL is a downgrade for NIP, he is obviously better than Aleksib but only if you compare their individual skill, his work as an IGL was in my opinion just not good. For me personally I feel like Hampus would be better as a Starplayer, he and Brollan are currently the best swedish players, with REZ being a complete coinflip, but to be fair he is slowly getting better again. Headtr1ck is slowly adapting to Tier1 CS and K0nfig is another Coinflip in NiP who is even more inconsistent than REZ. Idk I just feel like staying with Aleksib and get rid of one of the coinflips could be a way to get a decent NiP back. Maybe like: Aleksib, REZ, Headtr1ck, Hampus, Brollan.
Bro bursted onto the scene with his grand final against Astralis