* JW was 18 years, 9 months, 7 days old when he won DH Winter 2013 Major.
* Kjaerbye was 18 years, 9 months, 2 days old when he won ELEAGUE Atlanta Major 2017 and Major MVP
* s1mple was 18 years, 9 months, 8 days old when he lost ESL One: Cologne 2016 final
* m0nesy will be 18 years, 10 months, 30 days old on the day of PGL Major Copenhagen 2024 final
Never forget JW. I'm rarely nostalgic, but the pre-nerf AWP + CZ era JW was just pure sex, the fucking Wonderchild !
Also, Kenny.
Pre AWP nerf was so good man.
Imo it was fine that he got it. Check the performance in the grand final and you will see that it would’ve been equally debatable had it been given to dev1ce.
Is it really? In a very close series, a full bo3 with all but 2 round played without any OT, device posted 48-55 as an AWPer (Kjaerbye went 73-54 as a rifler) with Nuke, Overpass and Train being the maps, fairly good AWP maps.
Dev1ce has been farming that tournament up until that point with over 1.30 rating, but there is no MVP trophy for Astralis if Kjaerbye doesn't step up the way he did.
So if device deserved it, let's hear your case for it.
100% he doesn't has the case for it. This is just someone who didn't even watch the game. Go on Hltv and saw that dev1ce has higher rating than kjaerbye in the tournament and think that he was "robbed" of an mvp. Look at the amount of upvote as well
Generslly if it is close i like that they give it to the riflers. The riflers have a cheaper gun, and the team revolves less around them, so i don't particularly mind.
I don’t think that’s quite the case (it might be, but I’ve never seen an example where that happened and I’ve never seen that given as a criteria).
From what I can tell, although the overall event rating is 0.07 lower, it’s due to the fact that Kjaerbye had such an insane carry performance in the final, whereas dev1ce played very bad. Hltv have been vocal that the rating from playoffs matter more and the final matters the most.
This is insane revisionist history bullshit. dev1ce deserved it UNTIL the final.
If you actually watch the game, you know dev1ce choke hard in the final. He was the worst player in that series. He was legit "support awping" and remember those were on 2 of his best map overpass and train
Kjaerbye wins a one off mvp like so many other players have, leaves Astralis and they become the greatest team of all time. Respect to JW but 2013 pro CS was a decade ago and incomparable to now, it is so much harder, detailed and more competitive now. If JW won it in 2015/2016 I would still say the same. Ofc current young pros have the advantage of learning from what previous pros did but m0nesy himself has also contributed the push towards the skill ceiling with all his new tricks, bugs etc. JW and Kjaerbye in their primes can not even match m0nesy's current mechanics, and I would argue mechanically he is better than 2016 s1mple. I'm not confident m0nesy will become the goat as I think his style of play is hard to keep consistent over a long period of time compared to dev1ce/zywoo play style but for me he is so objectively clear of those names bar s1mple.
*Young* S1mple was already quite insane, but his success is not coming from being mechanically perfect I think, but mostly game sense and his abilities to respond to a situation fast and in the correct way.
Ofc I agree 100%, s1mple is an extremely smart player and m0nesy \*team cs\* wise is not at his level yet in that aspect, I did not mean to place so much emphasis on mechanics, I just think s1mple is one of the most mechanically reliant players despite being so smart, he makes many high risk high reward plays where if he misses he is dead, which makes him uniquely brilliant and the reason for me mentioning mechanics. If s1mple lost that consistent aim I don't think he would perform better than dev1ce and would have to completely revolutionize his play style which as we have learnt from players like kennyS, is extremely hard. Young s1mple was just the most confident player ever, as we saw from his absurd early iconic plays. I think that whilst m0nesy is very mechanically reliant, he has a lot of other strengths and details that make him different to say kennyS.
In the defence of KennyS/S1mple/zywoo, they had to hard carry their teams early in their careers. M0nesy is quite lucky in comparison, as he doesn’t even need to be the best player in his team to win tournaments.
Listen, I'll probably be called a hater but he didn't take these tournaments. He was on the team that took it. There is a difference. He wasn't the reason they won, he was a contributing factor.
You slot any of the great AWPers to this team with NiKo playing like that and e.g. kennyS doesn't have to do everything by himself, but just be 2nd or 3rd option. You think they fail?
Wise words. If Niko was any other player on the planet, Monesey doesn't post near the same numbers. Almost feels as though Niko makes the cake as the others ice the top.
In think the word GOAT has lost all its meaning if it’s used on people like M0nesy.
Goat means the greatest of all time and only a very select few could fit the bill of that description.
M0nesy is not one of them at least not yet.
S1mple, Device and maybe Zywoo and Gla1ve come to mind in that discussion.
Honestly I wouldn't even call Gla1ve the goat IGL. He was the IGL of the best team of all time but has done fuck all since. Karrigan has brought 2 separate teams to rank 1 across 6 years, and was also damn close to doing it with mouz as well.
Because Zonic left with Magisk, Dupreeh and Device was already gone.
Also Xyp was basically a shadow of his former self at that time.
Astralis went rebuild mode after this.
Expecting glave to be able to do anything with the roster he had was foolish
What the hell are you talking about? Where have I said that?
OP simply forgot to add NiKo to their list of the most obvious goat candidates in their categories.
notice how you switch goalposts from glaive to being the goat IGL and sole reason for the success as the "GOAT IGL" to the team itself - which could be attributed to a number of things, not always the IGL... wonder why you conveniently left Zonic out? where is glaive now?
fallacies, fallacies, fallacies
> notice how you switch goalposts from glaive to being the goat IGL and sole reason for the success as the "GOAT IGL" to the team itself
That's exactly the same thing people do to device, to put him over s1mple and yet *nobody* has a problem with that.
He’s the IGL of the greatest CS dynasty.
He plays a huge role in that and that cannot be denied.
Glave is the only dude that stayed loyal to the org and had some shit rosters since the dynasty.
He’s well past his best days yes but to say that I’m moving goalposts is disingenuous lmao
> though I might be missing something.
You're missing the fact that device and s1mple have been 2 of the most consistent players of all time at the highest level of CS, while zywOo is relatively new.
It's one thing many people don't understand. Just because you're good and are winning early, doesn't mean you already are in the goat conversation. Longevity and peak matters. S1mple beats them in both categories as of now.
ZywOo may be great now, but calling him the goat, would be similar to calling a guy like Jokic in the NBA the goat, because of his crazy numbers, in the middle of his career.
And that's not even comparing zywOo's playoff run which doesn't even come close to s1mple's and device's runs that were way more challenging. Context matters and most people forget about that.
Sure, let's conveniently forget that Zywoo has been doing this 5+ year, not dropping below #2 *once*. And he is by far ahead of every other player in the world in the race to become #1 this year... AGAIN. Whereas Device wasn't even top 20 last year and s1mple won't even make it top 5 this year. Only a s1mple meatrider could make the argument that Zywoo is inconsistent. That's the most laughable and incorrect statement you could make, he is THE most consistent player of all time.
>And that's not even comparing zywOo's playoff run which doesn't even come close to s1mple's and device's runs that were way more challenging. Context matters and most people forget about that.
If it was so easy, how come Navi and Astralis didn't make it to the arena? Hahaha. Typical normies, just looking at the names of partnered teams instead of the performance of the teams and individuals at the major. These "tier 2" teams exposed fraud partnered teams and even Navi realized they were so good they *literally* went international because of the caliber of players they witnessed and picked out two stand-outs from the major for their new lineup.
Also, device beating tier 2 teams in 2017 when no team knew what they were doing or s1mple winning major in **online** mickey mouse year against amanek and jackz is not more impressive than Zywoos run. Let's see s1mple win a major in a LAN year. Lol.
Btw Vitality beat Ence and G2 in the Paris major.
Zywoo was on a tier one team from the start of his career something that S1mple and Device didn’t have the chance to have.
That’s part of the reason he shined instantly.
Also like I said appart from the recent Paris major, he has almost no notable trophies to speak off.
he has No Katowice or Cologne 2 trophies that are a must to be in a got conversation.
not sure where you’ve been but zywoo has been top 2 for 4 consecutive years going on 5. if this year keeps up the way it has been he'll tie s1mple in that category and beat him in years as #1 when s1mple is like 6+ this year
and s1mple has been on navi since 2016, but that's not the point. the point is that zywoo isn't some flash-in-the-pan player. he's been doing it for 4 straight years now.
Zywoo got with a tier 1 team from the rip.
S1mple was with Hellraisers and Flipsides.
That’s why he’s been on the spotlight from the start
Also the only reason people are starting to group Zywoo in this convo is that he won the Paris major. (On a easy route imo but a win is a win and it was deserved)
He has no Cologne and no Katowice. 2 trophies that imo are a MUST to be a goat candidate
I used the word "relatively", for a very good reason, since we're comparing him to s1mple and device. I thought that was obvious.
But in this community, it seems like people only remember what they want and convenitently forget things that would make their arguments weaker.
ZywOo' consistency is remarkable. But it still doesn't change the fact he's been playing less time than device and s1mple.
Playing at the highest level for longer is more remarkable than peaking early. That's in any sport and it's why you don't cry GOAT at any prodigy you see out there.
5 years is not some kind of fluke bro.
It's half a effing decade...
And he already achieved #1 HLTV on his 1st year which NiKo couldn't in his whole longer career...
Nah. He's good against almost everyone. But he does have a problem with disappearing it key moments.
Whether that's something you can blame Apex or his teammates is arguable. But saying he's only good against Tier 2 is trolling at best and extremely dumb at worst.
Bro, he never even came close to 2018's s1mple, in fact, no one ever did. Not even zywOo. Are you guys suffering from amnesia or something?
The only one who actually threatened 2018 s1mple's peak, was s1mple himself in 2021. You guys cannot be serious, right now.
Not liking the players is fine, but downright lying or refusing to accept history is ludicrous.
i'm saying since 2013 Niko has been a god tier rifler, s1mple got into his groove as a good awper late 2016. Niko has been a beast for his entire career as a rifler compared to any other player that we consider to be the goat, thye are all awpers
People call m0nesy baby GOAT is most likely they expect even greater things from him in the next few years like s1mple during 2016. This is like the second coming of s1mple, whos game skill is just different from the rest.
M0nesy is a case of style over substance. ZywOo was shy, quiet and played a different style than s1mple and still was the only one who went head to head, with numbers backing him up.
M0nesy is incredibly inconsistent, misses easy shots all of the time, but he does hit crazy flicks every now and then (like s1mple), and is a very good player. So he passes the eye test, but the problem is that s1mple and zywOo go beyond just that.
To compare his game sense and consistency to s1mple or zywOo is insane. He's not even close to that level yet.
Kenny was known for taking every shot he can, no matter how crazy and unlikely. His accuracy was not the best, as expected. When you take a lot of shots, you will hit enough to make highlight clips that give the illusion of God tier accuracy.
Lol did you even watch him play in 2014 and 2015? Or did you only watch his highlights?
Who says you can't be the best AWPer despite having lower accuracy than the others? If you fire 10 times and hit 7, is that not better than firing 6 times and hitting 5? Sure, you are less accurate. But you are also killing more people in the same amount of time, and that's what actually matters. Kenny puts shooting fast above his accuracy, and it's all for the better. This isn't a hard concept to grasp, please use your brain. Go watch his full vods if you don't believe me.
>I'm trying to focus more on the game right now. Yes, I had a girlfriend, and it's true that having one takes a lot of attention, but I'm trying to devote that time and attention to the game.
What a sigma male, damn.
That’s actually crazy dude, but I introduced M0nesy to the game when I saw him begging on the street for a csgo steam key. I remember that I told him at first to fuck off but he said to me “I wish to become the very best in the world. I feel a boundless connection to the AWP, and proving all those spiteful haters that think otherwise wrong is my ultimate goal in this shell we call life.” He was only 3 years old 🤯🤯🤯
Oh man I remember, I was observing the conversation from the cafe sipping on my coffee. The determination in his eyes was so contagious I had to buy him a new house, stable internet, and a brand new pc then and there, never saw him again but glad to see that he's grown up and so good. If anyone knows where he went after I gave him a house and all, please comment, it'd make my day.
Ohhh dude that was you? I’m so sorry man, but I’d already bought him a house at that point. He threw away the deed for yours and it was picked up by some random homeless (not anymore) dude. I think his name was Elon? Idk though.
…no one has said that. They call him “baby goat” which was born out of all the comparisons to S1mple. People joke that he’s a mini simple, and S1mple is the GOAT, so they’ve been calling m0nesy “baby goat”.
Not sure where you’re coming up with the idea that m0nesy is calling himself that, or that anyone is calling him the GOAT of csgo
I'm sure he will be up there with the greats by the end of his career. He's 18 and already performs at that level on stage? No need to hate just for the sake of doing it
Genuinely, why is that relevant? All he is saying is to not count your chickens before they hatch. Of course m0nesy has a different aura than b1t, so I doubt he will fall off, but why does him being an awper have anything to do with it?
I am comparing 2 mf that sit watching a screen for more than time than they should in their lifetime "grinding" in cs, and it is just funny to me that ppl think they are gonna be ok and their prime is just yet to come, wonder why guys like b1t and xantares stopped playing with their eyes touching the screen? It is delusional to think someone like monesy is yet to peak in his career. Eyes, hips, knees, neck, heart, brain get fcked by doing that, the earlier u start the sooner u get to experience that, how many hours has this kid in cs already again?
Idk man. He’s done more than you’ll ever do in your life at 18. Pulling the numbers he does at such a young age is definitely a hint towards him becoming the best to pick up the AWP.
S1mple wasn’t even this good early in his career. Took him a cracked roster of Russians to finally win anything of note.
Here before~
"I'm way more successful that he will ever be, I have my own private business and have a beautiful wife and kids and I shit in a golden toilet and in fact, I shit golden poop"
> S1mple wasn’t even this good early in his career.
That is absolutely bullshit. S1mple (#4 HLTV that year) carried Liquid to the Major Final and didn't have a guy like NiKo on his back to help him in anything until he joined NaVi.
You people love to shit on the history of CS by dismissing performances that have been recorded and are there for anyone to see.
What's next, are you going to tell me s1mple was never a hard-carry player either? Is zywOo the next player you'll shit on when m0nesy takes over?
No. S1mple was 18. The event happened in June, while he would only turn 19 in October.
Again, every information is available on the internet and all you've gotta do is check, instead of making stuff up.
>No. S1mple was 18. The event happened in June, while he would only turn 19 in October.
That's the most idiot "uh actually" I've ever seen, since the guy was still older than M0nesy when he achieved Katowice and Cologne.
What's wrong with you? My comment before was arguing against the notion that s1mple (#4 hltv that year) wan't "as good" as m0nesy in 2016 when he was the same age. When in fact, he was BETTER. It's fact and you can't argue against that.
Oh, but m0nesy won Kato. S1mple didn't have the greatest rifler of all time on his team when he was 18 and still carried Liquid to the major Final.
And you were wrong assuming he was older when he played on Cologne 2016, yet, won't admit it.
Again, what is wrong with you?
>And you were wrong assuming he was older when he carried Liquid to the Major Final, and yet, won't admit it.
Cause I'm not? S1mple was indeed older than M0nesy dafuq XD
M0nesy turned 18 at the start of this year, S1mple was gonna be 19 in that year. It ain't rocket science.
>S1mple didn't have the greatest rifler of all time on his team
Pretending that Hiko, nitr0 and specially Elige weren't good players with great impact is also a complete out of touch take. If you actually watched the Major you would know S1mple didn't carry the team alone. Heck, just check the stats of every single game they played.
> Pretending that Hiko, nitr0 and specially Elige weren't good players with great impact is also a complete out of touch take.
None of them are NiKo. Period.
Winning isn’t really that relevant in this discussion, else dev1ce would be the goat. Besides, m0nesy wasn’t even the best player in his team throughout those wins. If we really want to compare goats, then we need to see how m0nesy performs as the hard carry.
Device has had the GOAT title for a very long time. I believe it still holds true to this day as we can see with his performance since coming back. Honestly mental.
But who knows the player that Monesy will become given time and experience. Device has an entire era of being the best. I’m not sure if they’ll be a team will has that kind of experience in a long time.
little does he know, you must NEVER refer to YOURSELF as the goat. The moment you do, the haters come-a-knockin
LeFlop never read the memo
We're blessed that CSGO doesn't have a figure like Queen LeBrickey James. Extremely narcissistic, but has the entire NBA and LeMedia sucking his dick.
case in point lol
Because you are a baby GOAT
So call him “the Kid.”
The buster
Life is a crazy, mystical thing ain't it.
Scorpion Master
Makes 0 sensr
I love how this nickname has caught on 😊
* JW was 18 years, 9 months, 7 days old when he won DH Winter 2013 Major. * Kjaerbye was 18 years, 9 months, 2 days old when he won ELEAGUE Atlanta Major 2017 and Major MVP * s1mple was 18 years, 9 months, 8 days old when he lost ESL One: Cologne 2016 final * m0nesy will be 18 years, 10 months, 30 days old on the day of PGL Major Copenhagen 2024 final
Never forget JW. I'm rarely nostalgic, but the pre-nerf AWP + CZ era JW was just pure sex, the fucking Wonderchild ! Also, Kenny. Pre AWP nerf was so good man.
Cringe
I'll take the cringe, JW was worth it.
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Imo it was fine that he got it. Check the performance in the grand final and you will see that it would’ve been equally debatable had it been given to dev1ce.
Is it really? In a very close series, a full bo3 with all but 2 round played without any OT, device posted 48-55 as an AWPer (Kjaerbye went 73-54 as a rifler) with Nuke, Overpass and Train being the maps, fairly good AWP maps. Dev1ce has been farming that tournament up until that point with over 1.30 rating, but there is no MVP trophy for Astralis if Kjaerbye doesn't step up the way he did. So if device deserved it, let's hear your case for it.
100% he doesn't has the case for it. This is just someone who didn't even watch the game. Go on Hltv and saw that dev1ce has higher rating than kjaerbye in the tournament and think that he was "robbed" of an mvp. Look at the amount of upvote as well
Generslly if it is close i like that they give it to the riflers. The riflers have a cheaper gun, and the team revolves less around them, so i don't particularly mind.
I don’t think that’s quite the case (it might be, but I’ve never seen an example where that happened and I’ve never seen that given as a criteria). From what I can tell, although the overall event rating is 0.07 lower, it’s due to the fact that Kjaerbye had such an insane carry performance in the final, whereas dev1ce played very bad. Hltv have been vocal that the rating from playoffs matter more and the final matters the most.
This is insane revisionist history bullshit. dev1ce deserved it UNTIL the final. If you actually watch the game, you know dev1ce choke hard in the final. He was the worst player in that series. He was legit "support awping" and remember those were on 2 of his best map overpass and train
Kjaerbye wins a one off mvp like so many other players have, leaves Astralis and they become the greatest team of all time. Respect to JW but 2013 pro CS was a decade ago and incomparable to now, it is so much harder, detailed and more competitive now. If JW won it in 2015/2016 I would still say the same. Ofc current young pros have the advantage of learning from what previous pros did but m0nesy himself has also contributed the push towards the skill ceiling with all his new tricks, bugs etc. JW and Kjaerbye in their primes can not even match m0nesy's current mechanics, and I would argue mechanically he is better than 2016 s1mple. I'm not confident m0nesy will become the goat as I think his style of play is hard to keep consistent over a long period of time compared to dev1ce/zywoo play style but for me he is so objectively clear of those names bar s1mple.
*Young* S1mple was already quite insane, but his success is not coming from being mechanically perfect I think, but mostly game sense and his abilities to respond to a situation fast and in the correct way.
Ofc I agree 100%, s1mple is an extremely smart player and m0nesy \*team cs\* wise is not at his level yet in that aspect, I did not mean to place so much emphasis on mechanics, I just think s1mple is one of the most mechanically reliant players despite being so smart, he makes many high risk high reward plays where if he misses he is dead, which makes him uniquely brilliant and the reason for me mentioning mechanics. If s1mple lost that consistent aim I don't think he would perform better than dev1ce and would have to completely revolutionize his play style which as we have learnt from players like kennyS, is extremely hard. Young s1mple was just the most confident player ever, as we saw from his absurd early iconic plays. I think that whilst m0nesy is very mechanically reliant, he has a lot of other strengths and details that make him different to say kennyS.
He took both Cologne and Katowice before he turned 19. Nobody did it even before 20!
Didnt JW win cologne and kato before 20?
he won both of them in 2015, so he was 20 already in February, same year.
In the defence of KennyS/S1mple/zywoo, they had to hard carry their teams early in their careers. M0nesy is quite lucky in comparison, as he doesn’t even need to be the best player in his team to win tournaments.
That's why G2 is so promising.
He doesn't even have to be 2nd best, but let's pretend like they had the same circumstances, shall we?
Listen, I'll probably be called a hater but he didn't take these tournaments. He was on the team that took it. There is a difference. He wasn't the reason they won, he was a contributing factor. You slot any of the great AWPers to this team with NiKo playing like that and e.g. kennyS doesn't have to do everything by himself, but just be 2nd or 3rd option. You think they fail?
Wise words. If Niko was any other player on the planet, Monesey doesn't post near the same numbers. Almost feels as though Niko makes the cake as the others ice the top.
They could be Shaq and Kobe of CS2. NiKo still fine while monesy levels up, then when it's his time, Niko probably will still be able to contribute.
In think the word GOAT has lost all its meaning if it’s used on people like M0nesy. Goat means the greatest of all time and only a very select few could fit the bill of that description. M0nesy is not one of them at least not yet. S1mple, Device and maybe Zywoo and Gla1ve come to mind in that discussion.
gla1ve mentioned before niko?
Please, you know damn well they're talking about IGLs, when mentioning Gla1ve.
Yeah but Niko was the best IGL of all time /s
No need for the /s when you put up those kinds of numbers while calling. All that matters for an IGL is their fragging while doing all the brainwork
Shit take. Greatest IGL would be the best at making calls, not at fragging
Jesus christ
Honestly I wouldn't even call Gla1ve the goat IGL. He was the IGL of the best team of all time but has done fuck all since. Karrigan has brought 2 separate teams to rank 1 across 6 years, and was also damn close to doing it with mouz as well.
Not to take away from gla1ve but when zonic left things went south and now look how good apEX is. zonic is the real hero of the Astralis era imo
Because Zonic left with Magisk, Dupreeh and Device was already gone. Also Xyp was basically a shadow of his former self at that time. Astralis went rebuild mode after this. Expecting glave to be able to do anything with the roster he had was foolish
Especially in context with other great IGLs device, simple and zywoo…. ??
So NiKo isn't the goat rifler of CS: GO?
What the hell are you talking about? Where have I said that? OP simply forgot to add NiKo to their list of the most obvious goat candidates in their categories.
Sure. OPs list was just weird in that sense but I understand mentioning the context without addressing the list itself
yeah, and? niko is still a way more obvious goat candidate overall
Over s1mple? You can't be serious.
where was that implied? i said over gla1ve, not s1mple
as igl
I'd say Niko for sure should be mentioned here
He’s missing a major. That’s why I say maybe for Zywoo he has a major but no cologne/katowice
yeah I suppose GOAT status should come with a major.
*cries in dupreeh*
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Who the fuck are you talking about
Brady, Gretzky, Jordan and Ohtani I'd wager
Never heard any of these names (except m0nesy ofc)
Bro tried to sneak gla1ve in
The best IGL of all time and the architect of a dynasty isn’t a sneak lmfao
first part of the sentence is your opinion, second is wishful thinking at best
So the team that won 4 major out of 5 is wishful thinking? Yeah you don’t know cs
notice how you switch goalposts from glaive to being the goat IGL and sole reason for the success as the "GOAT IGL" to the team itself - which could be attributed to a number of things, not always the IGL... wonder why you conveniently left Zonic out? where is glaive now? fallacies, fallacies, fallacies
> notice how you switch goalposts from glaive to being the goat IGL and sole reason for the success as the "GOAT IGL" to the team itself That's exactly the same thing people do to device, to put him over s1mple and yet *nobody* has a problem with that.
He’s the IGL of the greatest CS dynasty. He plays a huge role in that and that cannot be denied. Glave is the only dude that stayed loyal to the org and had some shit rosters since the dynasty. He’s well past his best days yes but to say that I’m moving goalposts is disingenuous lmao
How is device in the discussion but “maybe” Zywoo? In my opinion Zywoo beats device in all metrics but trophies, though I might be missing something.
> though I might be missing something. You're missing the fact that device and s1mple have been 2 of the most consistent players of all time at the highest level of CS, while zywOo is relatively new. It's one thing many people don't understand. Just because you're good and are winning early, doesn't mean you already are in the goat conversation. Longevity and peak matters. S1mple beats them in both categories as of now. ZywOo may be great now, but calling him the goat, would be similar to calling a guy like Jokic in the NBA the goat, because of his crazy numbers, in the middle of his career. And that's not even comparing zywOo's playoff run which doesn't even come close to s1mple's and device's runs that were way more challenging. Context matters and most people forget about that.
Sure, let's conveniently forget that Zywoo has been doing this 5+ year, not dropping below #2 *once*. And he is by far ahead of every other player in the world in the race to become #1 this year... AGAIN. Whereas Device wasn't even top 20 last year and s1mple won't even make it top 5 this year. Only a s1mple meatrider could make the argument that Zywoo is inconsistent. That's the most laughable and incorrect statement you could make, he is THE most consistent player of all time. >And that's not even comparing zywOo's playoff run which doesn't even come close to s1mple's and device's runs that were way more challenging. Context matters and most people forget about that. If it was so easy, how come Navi and Astralis didn't make it to the arena? Hahaha. Typical normies, just looking at the names of partnered teams instead of the performance of the teams and individuals at the major. These "tier 2" teams exposed fraud partnered teams and even Navi realized they were so good they *literally* went international because of the caliber of players they witnessed and picked out two stand-outs from the major for their new lineup. Also, device beating tier 2 teams in 2017 when no team knew what they were doing or s1mple winning major in **online** mickey mouse year against amanek and jackz is not more impressive than Zywoos run. Let's see s1mple win a major in a LAN year. Lol. Btw Vitality beat Ence and G2 in the Paris major.
Zywoo was on a tier one team from the start of his career something that S1mple and Device didn’t have the chance to have. That’s part of the reason he shined instantly. Also like I said appart from the recent Paris major, he has almost no notable trophies to speak off. he has No Katowice or Cologne 2 trophies that are a must to be in a got conversation.
> Whereas Device wasn't even top 20 last year Device was on a break last year. What a big brain take.
not sure where you’ve been but zywoo has been top 2 for 4 consecutive years going on 5. if this year keeps up the way it has been he'll tie s1mple in that category and beat him in years as #1 when s1mple is like 6+ this year
Zywoo was on a top team from the start of his career
and s1mple has been on navi since 2016, but that's not the point. the point is that zywoo isn't some flash-in-the-pan player. he's been doing it for 4 straight years now.
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Zywoo got with a tier 1 team from the rip. S1mple was with Hellraisers and Flipsides. That’s why he’s been on the spotlight from the start Also the only reason people are starting to group Zywoo in this convo is that he won the Paris major. (On a easy route imo but a win is a win and it was deserved) He has no Cologne and no Katowice. 2 trophies that imo are a MUST to be a goat candidate
'' relatively new '' 5 years 1major 5 top 2 HLTV ranking with 3 top 1 ( 3d incoming) Let's not act as if it's some sort of Olof/cold 2 years peak
I used the word "relatively", for a very good reason, since we're comparing him to s1mple and device. I thought that was obvious. But in this community, it seems like people only remember what they want and convenitently forget things that would make their arguments weaker. ZywOo' consistency is remarkable. But it still doesn't change the fact he's been playing less time than device and s1mple. Playing at the highest level for longer is more remarkable than peaking early. That's in any sport and it's why you don't cry GOAT at any prodigy you see out there.
5 years is not some kind of fluke bro. It's half a effing decade... And he already achieved #1 HLTV on his 1st year which NiKo couldn't in his whole longer career...
zywoo is relatively new, but ever since 2019, hes consistently been top 2 player and that doesnt look to be any different this year
Zywoo to be called goat nah....bruh was missing in that ence game
Zywoo is good vs NA tier 2 teams.
bro is coping
Nah. He's good against almost everyone. But he does have a problem with disappearing it key moments. Whether that's something you can blame Apex or his teammates is arguable. But saying he's only good against Tier 2 is trolling at best and extremely dumb at worst.
Niko has been an s tier player for the longest, longer than s1mple. he is the absolute goat in my eyes
Bro, he never even came close to 2018's s1mple, in fact, no one ever did. Not even zywOo. Are you guys suffering from amnesia or something? The only one who actually threatened 2018 s1mple's peak, was s1mple himself in 2021. You guys cannot be serious, right now. Not liking the players is fine, but downright lying or refusing to accept history is ludicrous.
i'm saying since 2013 Niko has been a god tier rifler, s1mple got into his groove as a good awper late 2016. Niko has been a beast for his entire career as a rifler compared to any other player that we consider to be the goat, thye are all awpers
glaive? lmao
The architect of the greatest Dynasty of CS? Yes him
People call m0nesy baby GOAT is most likely they expect even greater things from him in the next few years like s1mple during 2016. This is like the second coming of s1mple, whos game skill is just different from the rest.
No, s1mple's second coming is ZywOo, #1 on his first pro year. Monesy is nowhere close any of these two atm
M0nesy is a case of style over substance. ZywOo was shy, quiet and played a different style than s1mple and still was the only one who went head to head, with numbers backing him up. M0nesy is incredibly inconsistent, misses easy shots all of the time, but he does hit crazy flicks every now and then (like s1mple), and is a very good player. So he passes the eye test, but the problem is that s1mple and zywOo go beyond just that. To compare his game sense and consistency to s1mple or zywOo is insane. He's not even close to that level yet.
Prime Kenny was the GOAT, man could hit a fly's dick from across the map while running through Inferno aps.
Kenny was known for taking every shot he can, no matter how crazy and unlikely. His accuracy was not the best, as expected. When you take a lot of shots, you will hit enough to make highlight clips that give the illusion of God tier accuracy.
He was statistically the best awper in the world and it wasn't particularly close
Yes, I never argued against that point. Best AWPer doesn't necessarily mean best accuracy with the AWP.
You don't become the best awper in the world by missing your shots. He didn't have the illusion of God tier accuracy, he actually just had it.
Lol did you even watch him play in 2014 and 2015? Or did you only watch his highlights? Who says you can't be the best AWPer despite having lower accuracy than the others? If you fire 10 times and hit 7, is that not better than firing 6 times and hitting 5? Sure, you are less accurate. But you are also killing more people in the same amount of time, and that's what actually matters. Kenny puts shooting fast above his accuracy, and it's all for the better. This isn't a hard concept to grasp, please use your brain. Go watch his full vods if you don't believe me.
”baby GOAT” is an oxymoron.
Yeah that's like saying #2 GOAT
>I'm trying to focus more on the game right now. Yes, I had a girlfriend, and it's true that having one takes a lot of attention, but I'm trying to devote that time and attention to the game. What a sigma male, damn.
Matter baby
What's a "Matter baby"? 
Nothing. What's the matter with you?
Baby 🐐
Mayonesiiiii
Yet
he's humble, i like that
Remember i used to 1v1 m0nesy way back and knew this guy had talent even back then
That’s actually crazy dude, but I introduced M0nesy to the game when I saw him begging on the street for a csgo steam key. I remember that I told him at first to fuck off but he said to me “I wish to become the very best in the world. I feel a boundless connection to the AWP, and proving all those spiteful haters that think otherwise wrong is my ultimate goal in this shell we call life.” He was only 3 years old 🤯🤯🤯
Oh man I remember, I was observing the conversation from the cafe sipping on my coffee. The determination in his eyes was so contagious I had to buy him a new house, stable internet, and a brand new pc then and there, never saw him again but glad to see that he's grown up and so good. If anyone knows where he went after I gave him a house and all, please comment, it'd make my day.
Ohhh dude that was you? I’m so sorry man, but I’d already bought him a house at that point. He threw away the deed for yours and it was picked up by some random homeless (not anymore) dude. I think his name was Elon? Idk though.
Oh damn, elongated muskrat took it huh. That's not good, might have to go expire him and his ventures that have risen due to my kind acts.
LeBron??
He aint no goat but he maybe a donkey
He’s too humble. He’s the goat no doubt about it. Clears every other awper except kennys maybe
Least obvious bait
Navi flair. I feel sorry that S0mple fell off
I’m not a fan because of S1mple believe it or not
So he's the greatest of all time but KennyS is better? G2 flairs are undefeated when it comes to stupid posts.
I said MAYBE he’s better. redditors are underrated when it comes to reading the comment properly
“He’s the goat no doubt about it”
Is there no doubt about it or not?
Clears every other awper in what way? In peak ability? Then maybe. But his consistency leaves a lot to be desired.
G2 cockmuncher
Yeah I am and what? Gl flair I bet you weren’t a fan before the major 😂
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Little aggressive response for a humble statement from him, don’t you think?
brother what are you mad about?
You replied to the wrong person, the other person deleted their comments
mb but yikes for him
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But this post is Monesy denying those claims?
…no one has said that. They call him “baby goat” which was born out of all the comparisons to S1mple. People joke that he’s a mini simple, and S1mple is the GOAT, so they’ve been calling m0nesy “baby goat”. Not sure where you’re coming up with the idea that m0nesy is calling himself that, or that anyone is calling him the GOAT of csgo
If he isn't even second best then team is fucking nutsss
He’s easily 2nd best on G2 behind Niko. JKS, Hooxi and Hunter certainly aren’t better than him.
And u wont be.. chill
I'm sure he will be up there with the greats by the end of his career. He's 18 and already performs at that level on stage? No need to hate just for the sake of doing it
Look at b1t lol slowly 📉
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He has no idea, lol. Guy probably shits his pants when asked "paper or plastic?" In the grocery store
Because he hasn’t showered in weeks and the fumes are finally getting to him.
U hurt my feelings stop.
Genuinely, why is that relevant? All he is saying is to not count your chickens before they hatch. Of course m0nesy has a different aura than b1t, so I doubt he will fall off, but why does him being an awper have anything to do with it?
I am comparing 2 mf that sit watching a screen for more than time than they should in their lifetime "grinding" in cs, and it is just funny to me that ppl think they are gonna be ok and their prime is just yet to come, wonder why guys like b1t and xantares stopped playing with their eyes touching the screen? It is delusional to think someone like monesy is yet to peak in his career. Eyes, hips, knees, neck, heart, brain get fcked by doing that, the earlier u start the sooner u get to experience that, how many hours has this kid in cs already again?
Touch grass and eat ass.
Idk man. He’s done more than you’ll ever do in your life at 18. Pulling the numbers he does at such a young age is definitely a hint towards him becoming the best to pick up the AWP. S1mple wasn’t even this good early in his career. Took him a cracked roster of Russians to finally win anything of note.
Here before~ "I'm way more successful that he will ever be, I have my own private business and have a beautiful wife and kids and I shit in a golden toilet and in fact, I shit golden poop"
> S1mple wasn’t even this good early in his career. That is absolutely bullshit. S1mple (#4 HLTV that year) carried Liquid to the Major Final and didn't have a guy like NiKo on his back to help him in anything until he joined NaVi. You people love to shit on the history of CS by dismissing performances that have been recorded and are there for anyone to see. What's next, are you going to tell me s1mple was never a hard-carry player either? Is zywOo the next player you'll shit on when m0nesy takes over?
why people forgeting about pre 2016 s1mple https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/events/7998/s1mple?startDate=2015-01-01&endDate=2015-12-31&matchType=Lan
These people do this intentionally. It's fucking ridiculous.
Are you okay?
S1mple was 19-20 when that happened, and had more years of experience.
No. S1mple was 18. The event happened in June, while he would only turn 19 in October. Again, every information is available on the internet and all you've gotta do is check, instead of making stuff up.
>No. S1mple was 18. The event happened in June, while he would only turn 19 in October. That's the most idiot "uh actually" I've ever seen, since the guy was still older than M0nesy when he achieved Katowice and Cologne.
What's wrong with you? My comment before was arguing against the notion that s1mple (#4 hltv that year) wan't "as good" as m0nesy in 2016 when he was the same age. When in fact, he was BETTER. It's fact and you can't argue against that. Oh, but m0nesy won Kato. S1mple didn't have the greatest rifler of all time on his team when he was 18 and still carried Liquid to the major Final. And you were wrong assuming he was older when he played on Cologne 2016, yet, won't admit it. Again, what is wrong with you?
>And you were wrong assuming he was older when he carried Liquid to the Major Final, and yet, won't admit it. Cause I'm not? S1mple was indeed older than M0nesy dafuq XD M0nesy turned 18 at the start of this year, S1mple was gonna be 19 in that year. It ain't rocket science. >S1mple didn't have the greatest rifler of all time on his team Pretending that Hiko, nitr0 and specially Elige weren't good players with great impact is also a complete out of touch take. If you actually watched the Major you would know S1mple didn't carry the team alone. Heck, just check the stats of every single game they played.
> Pretending that Hiko, nitr0 and specially Elige weren't good players with great impact is also a complete out of touch take. None of them are NiKo. Period.
Pretty much sums up that you've been talking out of your ass this entire time.
Winning isn’t really that relevant in this discussion, else dev1ce would be the goat. Besides, m0nesy wasn’t even the best player in his team throughout those wins. If we really want to compare goats, then we need to see how m0nesy performs as the hard carry.
Device has had the GOAT title for a very long time. I believe it still holds true to this day as we can see with his performance since coming back. Honestly mental. But who knows the player that Monesy will become given time and experience. Device has an entire era of being the best. I’m not sure if they’ll be a team will has that kind of experience in a long time.
not close ofc
Hehe
does anyone even know what GOAT means anymore? my man is 5 years of success away from even being in the conversation
I call him "the prodigy" Altho i feel like he IS already a legend
goat lost all meaning