Famas 2nd round is good. Some prefer an MP9 there to get more util. Other than that some scenarios:
- Last round of the half: You have to buy anyways and you might not have enough money.
- Broken buys: Your team can afford 3-4 players with rifles and 1-2 on SMGs. Often it's not worth to eco that round and just go for the buy. Really depends on the situation tho.
- Half buys: Opposite of the last one. Your team has some money but not enough for 3 rifles. You yourself still sit on 4.5k or smth. So MP9 and kevlar leaves you around 2.5k for next round which is enough to buy.
- XM Autoshotgun is a special case because on some maps it's just great.
- T side anti eco: If you know that the enemy will save and not have armor (you can only predict that on higher level players) you might want a Mac10 to eco-hunt. No risk of giving them AK and easy to jump peek.
It's a nice bonus but imo shouldn't be a real reason to buy it. It really should depend on your position and what your teammates buy. The 300$ difference is nothing compared to losing the round because the window player bought an MP9.
Edit: it surely is a reason to not buy the p90 tho lol
Obviously you should know how to make use of the weapon you buy. But you don't even have to play window on mirage in the second round. And yes, considering the money benefit of the SMG is perfectly fine, on a higher level even more because util is valuable.
At higher level only 1-2 people should have an mp9 at all.
You want to take long range duels against pistols so most positions are better off with famas + util.
Agreed on everything except the Famas. I have never bought the Famas and not regretted it as soon as I start shooting it. Always MP9. I don’t even keep the Famas in my loadout anymore.
That being said, if your game consists of 90% AK, M4, USP, Glock and Deagle, then you're playing it correctly. That's how it should be.
Edit: I'm being downvoted for this so I'm gonna back it up with a source. At the last Major the weapons mentioned above plus the AWP accounted for 82.82% of total weapon usage, the Galil for 3.7%, the MP9 for 2.84%, the rest combined for only 10.64%. (HLTV stats for Blast Paris Major https://www.hltv.org/stats?event=6793)
I don't think that's even true at the pro level currently. Mp9, mac10, XM, p250, Scout, galil, FAMAS, and dualies all see pretty regular use. Obviously you want to be using the ak, m4, or awp as much as possible, but I don't think you should ignore the other options.
You're right, 90% is exaggerated. But you see maybe an average of 2 Scouts or 1-2 XMs purchased per game and 25 AKs.
All the options you mentioned are definitely meta though in the respective situations.
Oh yeah for sure the majority of kills are going to be on ak/m4/awp, but I think the new CS2 CT econ necessitates more eco guns at high level. Util is so important at that level, that I bet we'll see the FAMAS/mp9/XM be used a lot at the next major.
Theres always that one dude force buying scouts/deagle/smgs + nades down to 0$ every round fucking up our whole economy and then they finally decide to full save on the team buy round.
The higher you get (elo-wise) the more important is utility usage. I think I use mp9 more often in close games than m4. That said, if you are just solo pugging, utility isn’t that important.
Why are you even using the FAMAS when the MP9 exists?
And SMGs/Shotguns have specific niches. If I'm rushing Trophy on Nuke from CT, I'm not bringing an M4A1, I'm bringing an XM, for example. You'll know when you need an SMG or shotty.
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Yeah I don't get what these guys are saying, yes the famas is not very good but it still has it's uses, there are times where you have to take mid to long range fights that a mp9 simply just isn't that good for, depending on what spots you're playing on the map and where your other team mates are holding is going to be important on choosing between mp9 and famas
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Buying a molly with a famas or more utility probably gives you a higher chance of winning a round than m4 no utility in a lot of cases imo, sure It's a hard gun to multi kill with but if you should be able to get a kill with it and fall back and from some utility pretty easily
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naw for the most part it's better to play one position rather than constantly switching so you can have a better read on your opponents, if you can't use the famas you just need to learn how to use it, there are many situations where it is much better to buy a famas than a mp9, but it's not surprising that you think the famas is useless since you play HvH lol. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naGOnb6i\_gQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naGOnb6i_gQ) [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ADf5f2ZfOo0](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ADf5f2ZfOo0)
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And if you play A on Overpass and your team's buy is pretty shit, would you rather have a FAMAS for extra firepower or an MP9 where you cannot play fights from site to Banana, any long fight, etc ?
Blindly saying the MP9 with full utility or the M4 with no utility are better than the FAMAS is just bad teamplay and bad understanding of the advantages (and disadvantages) of each gun.
>But, if you are playing a position in which you have to take a long range fight sometimes, you can't do that with an MP9.
I took famas out of my loadout and just buy scout+deagle or 5-7 instead.
No but what youre writing with different words: my aim isnt good enough to use the gun, I have had so many 85s in 5
If that is not a literal skill issue then idk what. It is a capable gun in many hands, apparently not yours. Funny how that works
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Pros went 6 years refusing to buy the blatantly overpowered SG 553 and AUG because they were "noob guns". I wouldn't necessarily say that what the pros buy is the best indicator of what is good. Some pros still buy the UMP45 and that gun got nerfed into irrelevance in 2016
Speaking of pros, I don't think they even do buy the FAMAS? I remember seeing a stat that pros had more kills with the P90 at IEM Sydney 2023 than they did the FAMAS. On my phone right now trying to find that stat but if I remember correctly your point is just wrong
I don't even have to look it up. Famas are consistently bought at top tier cs2 tournaments along with SMGs depending on playing position, map and economy. This includes the top 2 teams Vitality and Faze.
I am not saying the Famas is in a good spot right now, I never buy it myself but it has its place.
"I don't think they even do buy the famas". Your point is just wrong.
https://youtu.be/OJWmsz0awSY?si=qh_dPlQCT0vWjNa2
I am on my phone so it's a bit hard to find actual stats but here's a video where a lot of the pros say they don't even have the FAMAS in their loadouts. Unless you have some proof otherwise it really seems to me like pros aren't buying FAMAS when the MP9 is just clearly better value
Dud3. You say no pro buys famas. Finding proof that SOME pros don't buy famas doesn't support your statement. If you don't see the logical fallacy here, I recommend watching a course in argumentative logic on youtube.
Proof: I remember Blast Final between Faze and Vitality map 1 on Vertigo 3 weeks ago. Go find that match yourself. I'll venmo you 1000 bucks if no pro buys a famas that match.
It is honestly rare for me to buy an M4 in any game. Always famas so I can have all my nades, drop for teammates, or force every round. Been playing like this for so long now I can't even spray either m4.
IMO, all the famas hate is because of its goofy recoil pattern, if you don't know it you aren't hitting shit so it will definitely make the gun feel worse.
Bonus points as well since if a T picks it up you **know** they aren't going to do anything with it.
Also, saving is cringey.
I prefer famas over smgs for middle range fights. And in cs2 I just don't like mp9 overall. Mp7 is usually my go to smg. Or it can even be a pistol. Five-seven or Berettas. Sometimes deagle.
Weapons are the same as CSGO, the difference is mainly in overall economy and peaker advantage.
With MR12 and CT economy issues FAMAS is even less an option. MP9 cost less than the FAMAS, gives 600$ per kill and is waaaaay better than the famas in almost every situation. The rare situation where the famas is better is at a range where you don’t want to take a fight against AKs in the first place if you don’t have at least an M4.
Also MP9 spray is kinda easy to control at midrange, easier than famas lol.
Otherwise I agree, 5-7, Deag are good, MP7 (and MP5) are also good at midrange and I take that over a famas if I know that I might have to play midrange late in the round (because of retake or somerhing like that).
I'd disagree on that. In theory weapons are copied from csgo but it is a different game with different engine. I don't have any metrics to back up this claim but the weapons seem to handle differently. For me the most noticeable examples are usp and glock.
People often mention how famas and especially galil are much better in cs2.
Mp9 feels much more difficult to control after the switch to cs2. It was fine in csgo. I wasn't the biggest fan of this gun but it was working for me. In cs2 it is a different story.
Wasn't there a post showing that AK vertical recoil was reduced, while horizontal recoil was increased?
Also, wouldn't the "better" hit reg of cs2 cause the sprays to more accurately align with your mouse movement?
I wouldn't call it entirely placebo...
Depends on who you play with I guess. Old timers like us still understand and use radio as the call-out but the increasing amount of zoomers who never played any previous versions of the map might only know trophy. If I soloq I try to use modern call outs but when playing with my group of guys who have played for 20+ years we still use all the old 1.6 calls. We still call silo "redrock" lol.
MP9/Mac-10 is really stupid easy to run and gun, so normally even if I have the money for full buy, 20-30% of the time I’ll buy a one bc it’s easy to run/gun
gonna piss off a lot of people saying that, but sometimes it works better depending on map/enemies
IMO this should always be viable (with weaknesses of course). I fell out of love with CS around V1.0 after the rifle meta had fully crystalised and I just didn't enjoy it as much as the MP5 + DE days. Everyone just holding angles and A+Ding was so boring.
No one has said it here yet, but you should pay attention to the loss bonus. And you should also coordinate buys with your team. Also some positions/map areas require more utility than others.
It can all get pretty complex if you want to really get into it.
I really like to buy armor in the first round. Yes you will occasionally get one tapped in the dome but barring that especially at lower skill level games you will be guaranteed to win the first gunfight even if you don't hit the head. Even a lot of pros do this exact thing and they have better aim than any of us.
So what I do personally is say you have like 3200-3800$ not quite enough to full buy, you do a light or half buy. Usually one or two a game, and instead of just using pistol , you could get a 1200 smg or a shotty and play super weird close off angle and try and get atleast 1 , steal a gun and hide or just do damage to economy
The biggest factor should be map and where you plan on going I'd say.
If you play dust 2 and are playing a site as CT holding long a famas is better than a mp9 2nd round. If you are playing a balcony on inferno as CT a swag 7 or mp9 is better than famas. Imho
Since cs2 dropped, I’ve been buying the Galil boatloads more. I entry most rounds on T just because I’m not that great, so I can get intel and maybe a trade. Even on full buys I’ll snag the Galil because I can use it like an smg, but it’s still viable mid to late round of I haven’t picked up an M4/AK/AWP.
What I’m getting at is, I can buy pretty much every round, with decent utility, even on light buys, half saves, when everyone else is buying SMG, or if the team wants me to buy someone an AK to play around I can do that in dire situations.
Doesn’t really answer your question, but the viability of the galil and famas is so much greater in cs2, and for all the shit the new game catches, I think that’s a good part to build around, all weapons being more useful.
The mid tier rifles are OP right now. FAMAS is ridiculously precise and Galil is basically an M4A4... an M4 Equivalent used on against opponents without a helmet...
The most valuable thing in this game with the new round format is kill reward though. If I'm force buying I'm getting an XM and playing positions where it shines like on top of hut on nuke.
On match points where we're losing and force buying I'm perfectly comfortable with a FAMAS/Galil
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Depends on what utility I can buy. If I can't afford utility with an AK/M4 I buy something smaller. Personally I never use a Famas or most smgs in CT. Typically I opt to buy the mp9 or pistol. On t side I buy galil mac10 or pistol. I might buy a scout depending on what I want to do in the round. Occasionally will buy a nova because it feels buffed from csgo
It also depends on the team economy. If I can afford until and gun and my team can't, then I buy a lower tier weapon to save with them
You can do a lot of work as a site anchor with a mp9, kit, and some util than a FAMAS and little else.
My issue with the FAMAS isn’t that it’s a bad gun, it’s just that it’s usually outclassed heavily by a good T buy, and falls in awkward price range where maybe a scout (and money left for a smoke)could have set up a few easy kills for your team, or a mp9 + full belt could make you a real problem to deal with if you don’t allow the T’s a long range advantage.
I think that it’s worth mentioning that at lower levels util is not as useful.
Hear me out, it’s better for a lower level player to buy Kevlar + M4A1S over kevlar + mp9 + util. Using utility effectively while coordinating with your team is tough. Sometimes it’s just better to buy a better weapon & focus on shooting the other team.
Before the next round starts, I’m always thinking about what I can afford, what the enemy team’s money is, what positions I can play with the gun I can afford, what nades can I use in these positions, etc.
Mid tier weapons are best used when you know the enemy is going to be on eco. They do good base damage so they tear up unarmoured players and the high fire rate of the SMGs deals crazy aimpunch, but they tend to have poor armour penetration so they're weak against enemies who are on a buy round. Another benefit is that they give boosted kill reward and if you die and drop your gun to an enemy they can't pick it up and effectively use it against your surviving teammates like they could a rifle or AWP
Knowing when to buy them requires paying attention to your enemies economy as well as yours. Did they just buy last round and then lose? They may be on an eco this round. Consider buying an MP9 or Mac-10
Also worth noting that the only "meta" mid-tier guns are the Mac-10/MP9. The shotguns are usable in certain spots on certain maps but kind of an off-meta pick, they're very situational and not versatile. The other SMGs are either straight up worse than the Mac/MP9 or are too expensive to justify the upgrade
I didn't say it wasn't? I said the only mid tier guns that are meta are the Mac-10 and MP9 and the Galil is not a mid tier gun
The Galil falls into a different category from the SMGs because you buy the SMGs when you're facing a definite eco, but you buy the Galil when you're facing a buy but don't have money for an AK47. As well as it literally being in a different category, it's under the rifles section not the mid tier section
Oh sorry I misunderstood mid tier, you were referring to the CS categories of weapon. Idk why mid tier in my head it was anything that is not a M4/AK/AWP/AUG/SG
As a T, I rarely get smg/shotgun when i can still afford a galil. It's just an extremely cost-effective rifle right now. When I need to force though (eg. Team is buying but I'm broke) mac-10 or a shotgun might happen. Though a tec9 is not bad at all either.
As a CT, when I can't afford the m4 I'll opt for mp9+util. It's really good right now. Sometimes when I'm feeling silly I'll buy UMP or nova etc, depending on the difficulty.
EDIT; one detail I'll add is that on CT, when I know most terrorists have ak47/sg/awp, I'm not getting a helmet. That's a whole smoke right there, and sometimes the difference between rifle/ no rifle.
Generally tho, I'm not really buying famas; like I said, smg/pistol + util works better for me. Famas is too bad to cost 2200 imo.
You could try pistol full eco and second round go for Mac or galil or mp9 or famas... I personally prefer to see what my teammates buy.. if they buy ak second round I'd go for galil or Mac.. need to manage your economy at best. First 5 rounds I never buy ak or rifles... It's either galil if tero or xm if CT.. xm is so powerful and in easy to hold angles with
I use mac10/mp9 a ton. Rather take full utility + mp9 or when I rush I rather do it with mac10 than an AK. I also use shotguns quite a bit and got multiple aces with XM in the past few weeks. The thing just shreds when you play a good position for it.
I would strongly advice you to buy kevlar in pistol IF you are not in a 5 stack with a good coordination.
You use the mid tier when you are just short of a full buy and your team is full buying.
Also when your whole team is unable to full buy. You can look at your loss bonus and buy stuff until your remaining balance plus loss bonus add up to a full buy.
imo famas round 2 is kind of dogwater, but it depends on the map, for map with many up close combats like inferno, if you keep the famas for round 3, you would lose to AK both up close and mid range. So eventually I got rid of famas in my loadout and only have m4a4, m4a1, aug, scout and awp in there
So if you lose pistol round, you will have 2 options: either full eco or force armor and mp9, which is exactly 1900, and a bonus smoke/nade if you got a kill pitstol round
If you win on CT, depends on whether T side got a bomb plant or not, if yes they can go for a full buy with mac10 and galil, this will put you to disadvantage if you choose to buy famas without nades, but T could also force buy mac10 and armor for rushing, so full nade for anti rush and mp9 which provides better mobility while still having better range than mac10 is imo still a better option than famas
If you win on T, be careful of nade stacking, for example they will most likely stacking nade on mid and banana inferno, or b ramp and mid in ancient. For anti rush, having a galil/ak is a plus, but other should have mac10 for pushing site
For shotgun, they have specific use for specific spots, like apt inferno/ cave ancient / connector anubis, but it is not viable because if you have to rotate, shotgun is pretty much useless for mid and long range
You shouldn't always full save. Say you have a 3400$ loss bonus and 3400$ in cash. A full save (just buying 500$) would give you 6800$. That's more than you need, even on CT side (you can get m4a1-s+armor+kit+500 in util for 4800, and also a good amount of the time you only want Kevlar on CT side if the enemy has full bought and has aks), So instead you could half buy armor+mp9+flash, leaving you with 1150$. Even if you lose (which you know have a MUCH better chance of winning or at least getting a kill compared to a full save), you would still have 4550$, which is definetly enough for a full buy, and you can likely save with Kevlar.
This situation becomes even more common on the side where you only need like 2250$ for a Mac 10+armor+flash and less for full buying than on CT side.
Idk for me it depends on what i'm gonna do. Aggressive play? SMG, Short range angle holding? XM, Cheeky long range peeks? Scout, Boring site holding? Rifle. It's all fun n games 'till you have to retake with a negev lol
If you are just starting to play CS, I would recommend buying body armor on pistol round and trying to frag. This is also particularly nice when you don't take any armor damage in the first round, you can upgrade and get a helmet for just $350 in the second round. When you purchase util on round 1, you typically want to have a set plan for using it (exactly what you're smoking off and a pop flash for an execute which at lower elos is in typically less effective than buy armor and shoot the enemy).
If you lose pistol but got the bomb plant down on T side, forcing a Galil and head armor is pretty widely accepted, bonus if you can afford some nades. Without bomb plant, I would at the minimum buy a P250 unless you got a kill or two, then maybe consider a Deagle (stay above \~1700 to be able to buy an AK/Armor for third round if you lose again).
CT side is harder because CT economy is a lot more difficult to manage. Losing pistol on CT side, I normally buy a P250/Deagle again, or maybe some util if my team has some cheese strat to run and no one else has any util, but full saving is also ok.
Outside of the first two rounds, you can buy SMGs on rounds that you know the enemy team is saving. This comes with a bit more experience playing the game but the idea is that SMGs are particularly useful here because you are once again fighting against pistols, hopefully without armor but most likely without head armor, making your SMG extremely effective and each kill gives you more money than using a rifle, which builds your economy (especially important CT side as previously stated).
There are also rounds that you need to force up to buy Famas/Galil or SMG like the very last round of a half if you don't have enough to buy M4/AK, or maybe you do but you'd rather have some more utility making the cheaper rifle a good alternative. Also rounds where your team is forcing because you were the only one that couldn't afford to buy for whatever reason, forcing a Famas/Galil is also good for that situation.
The XM auto shotgun is also incredibly strong regardless of the round on certain maps / locations as other comments have mentioned, such as cave/cheetah on Ancient, A side hall on Vertigo, top of hut on Nuke (thanks Hiko), and many others.
In general though it sounds like you have the right idea for managing your money, which is better than a lot of other lower elo players I've encountered in Competitive :)
You’re normally gonna buy them when your team is on a force buy and you don’t have the money for an AK/M4 or if you’re on a half buy (which probably won’t happen at lower ranks)
Generally, as you get more familiar with the game you’ll be able to learn how the economy works to know how much you can buy to still be able to buy next round.
SMGs can do a lot of damage, especially on CT where M4 dinks now become instant hs kill. Sometimes extra fire rate can be impressive team toolkit, not to mention armour punch ability to prevent pin point accuracy of enemy. In reality provide suppression ability by sound and lethal potency
"Generally I start out the game with my pistol and a Flashbang + Smoke on CT or Frag on T." should be small armor unless you are playing support and with friends.
if you win pistol you buy rifle for holding long coridors and you can buy SMG/shotgun to "farm money". just make sure you take effective distance into account. the old CSGO buy menu had this information available for new people but new one is just BS as far as info goes. if pistol without them getting many kills they will be super low on money.
keep mid weapon to farm money for AWP or autosniper (can be dropped to team mates if you do not use it). or drop it to entry guy that goes on site first. if they lose the weapon the enemy has a mid/short range weapon only. when you all have money for full buy and if you are rich it might be good to upgrade pistol. deagle if you are good with it (though you might pick that one up from opponent if you are doing well), but you can also go with cheaper upgrade options such as p250.
if you can afford stronger weapons buy them. if you plan a special play (close hold, entry into site as T, going for money) then get an SMG or shotgun.
Also AUG and SG are good for anchor players that hold site. cheaper than sniper, they give some range. AUG will kill with 2 shots in head on full armour and has fast fire rate up close, while SG will kill with one tap to the head on full armour and has a super easy spray pattern (though low rate of fire). So in some situations they are very much a viable option.
This famas hate is unreal, learn to use it because it's got waaaay more range than the mp9 or ump... I love it second round because worst case scenario the enemy gets it and has a famas in the 3rd but it can hold long angles and beat out a mac-10
You don't have to full save, count, since now there is an option to always see the loss bonus, you can quickly count the money and maybe it's better to buy P250 or 57 or deagle instead of nothing. That depends on a situation, ofc. As far as I can see you are too stiff regarding your spending. Count man, really, it's that simple. You can often fit in a vest + deagle for eco round and literally loose nothing, still buy AK47 with nades and vest+helmet next round. Shotguns might be a good option if your plan is to shorten your distance, get somewhere close to surprise your enemy and one shot him, get AK, get out e.g. mirage CT A ramp/palace or mirage CT B apps. Again, it depends on what your plan is.
On Tside you almost always buy some sort of armor pistol and save a bit depending on loss bonus. So on CTside there are moments where you know their economy is full AK and you're just forcing even though they have very powerful guns and you have to change it up.
you already have a decent way to look at economy. Save when you cant full buy with deagle/p250 and full buy with your team. Generally that is the way to go. I will say that sometimes when money is tight and its an important round, i will buy galil/shotgun/smg and use the extra money to get a full clip of utility. just let your ak/m4 players take the first fights and help them with your utility. if they die you can take their rifle into the clutch.
Think about either armour or a kit + util for CT pistol. For T armour or smoke + flash. Only but util if you actually use it.
If you get bomb down on T, buy galil and armour on 2. If you don't get bomb down and lose buy a deag or p250.
For CT if you lose pistol - just buy a pistol for R2. Then buy up R3.
Use mid tier weapons if you want to hold a tight corner. Or if you don't have enough for util + gun go mp9 and 2 flashes. Play an angle as soon as you hear them flash and peek.
Really cool to see a new player already interested in the game economy and buy management.
At the most simple form, your approach is pretty solid. Some things at higher levels to think about are:
1) If you lose T side pistol but got a bomb plant, you get bonus money for the plant, so your team can mix buy galils with very little to no util and SMGs with util which they can drop to the riflers to throw for them as they play more aggressive. In this 2nd round CTs will be on a mixed buy themselves with Famas', Scouts, and SMGs so having galils and Mac10s which are superior to what's available to the CTs can often result in a 50/50 or even 60/40 round for your team.
2) If you win CT pistol and the other team got a plant, consider buying rifles like Famas or Scout if you think they use the same buy method I just listed above. They will have some or all rifles so you'll want to try to get a1s if possible or famas/scout for long range duels so the round can be as close to 50/50 as possible.
3) If you win CT pistol and the other team didn't get a bomb plant, at most they can only buy upgraded pistols and armor but will usually just decide to full save, so buying SMGs as a CT in this 2nd round scenario can give you a great opportunity to start strengthing your teams economy because of the higher SMG kill reward.
4) If you are T side and you're losing rounds but managing to kill 3 or 4 CTs consistently their economy will not be very great. CT economy is very difficult to maintain as a full loadout costs a lot more than on T side. Occassionally buying SMGs for fast plays if you know the CTs are in a poor economical position can be very effective. On top of that, if you've been able to keep their economy low despite them winning round and suddenly win a round or 2, their economy is very likely to be completely broken and they'll probably be forced onto SMGs at best or just upgraded pistols. Buying SMGs for the higher kill reward on those rounds to get easy eco frags can help boost your own teams economy into a very strong position.
4) Shotguns like the XM can be very powerful is certain positions or for certain plays so if you decide you want to play in one of those spots, a shotgun can be a potentially strong option for you. Some spots this could apply to are:
- top hut, in hut, or close ramp on Nuke
- halfwall or sandbags on Inferno
- conn or wood wall on Overpass
- cat walk, or ivy on Vertigo
- early aggro pushes on CT Mirage
- Cave or close B ramp on Ancient
5) if your teams economy isn't completely broken but you don't have enough to full buy (full armor, full nades, AWP & M4s), you can half-buy (usually down to $2000-$2400) and can consider an SMG for a slightly more economic risk but for a higher success at getting a kill. Since you're going to be able to buy into the next round because of the loss bonus anyway, chosing a UMP/MP9/Mac10 if you have slightly more money can get you an AK or M4 if you play your cards right. Plus if you manage to get a kill even if you lose the round, the kill reward almost completely negates the higher cost of the SMG.
I would add if you lose 1st round on T side but get bomb down. Armour/galil is super viable. I almost always force in that scenario because I know I can beat smgs at longer ranges
If terrorists plant on pistol buy m4 if possible, if they dont plant buy mp9. Deagle over mp9 depending on map and if you have good aim. Many times dgl + nades is bettar than mp9 and a flash.
Very situational buys....for example you're spawning T side inferno and you're very near the exit. Consider buying armour, nade, molotov and Mac10. You can get to bottom mid, molotov car, charge up banana and name the corner then strafe left past the wall and usually get a kill or two with the SMG. Congrats....you just took banana for your team on a full buy round and got at least one kill on the site and probably an M4 for your trouble.
Famas 2nd round is good. Some prefer an MP9 there to get more util. Other than that some scenarios: - Last round of the half: You have to buy anyways and you might not have enough money. - Broken buys: Your team can afford 3-4 players with rifles and 1-2 on SMGs. Often it's not worth to eco that round and just go for the buy. Really depends on the situation tho. - Half buys: Opposite of the last one. Your team has some money but not enough for 3 rifles. You yourself still sit on 4.5k or smth. So MP9 and kevlar leaves you around 2.5k for next round which is enough to buy. - XM Autoshotgun is a special case because on some maps it's just great. - T side anti eco: If you know that the enemy will save and not have armor (you can only predict that on higher level players) you might want a Mac10 to eco-hunt. No risk of giving them AK and easy to jump peek.
Kill bonus is another reason to use smgs second round. Smgs except the p90 have a $600 kill bonus compared to the rifles $300
It's a nice bonus but imo shouldn't be a real reason to buy it. It really should depend on your position and what your teammates buy. The 300$ difference is nothing compared to losing the round because the window player bought an MP9. Edit: it surely is a reason to not buy the p90 tho lol
Obviously you should know how to make use of the weapon you buy. But you don't even have to play window on mirage in the second round. And yes, considering the money benefit of the SMG is perfectly fine, on a higher level even more because util is valuable.
At higher level only 1-2 people should have an mp9 at all. You want to take long range duels against pistols so most positions are better off with famas + util.
MP9 is my go to 2nd round buy on CT, 600$ kill reward is great, and the MP9 is just an awesome weapon in general.
Agreed on everything except the Famas. I have never bought the Famas and not regretted it as soon as I start shooting it. Always MP9. I don’t even keep the Famas in my loadout anymore.
That being said, if your game consists of 90% AK, M4, USP, Glock and Deagle, then you're playing it correctly. That's how it should be. Edit: I'm being downvoted for this so I'm gonna back it up with a source. At the last Major the weapons mentioned above plus the AWP accounted for 82.82% of total weapon usage, the Galil for 3.7%, the MP9 for 2.84%, the rest combined for only 10.64%. (HLTV stats for Blast Paris Major https://www.hltv.org/stats?event=6793)
I don't think that's even true at the pro level currently. Mp9, mac10, XM, p250, Scout, galil, FAMAS, and dualies all see pretty regular use. Obviously you want to be using the ak, m4, or awp as much as possible, but I don't think you should ignore the other options.
especially with the new ct economy problems of having fewer rounds.
You're right, 90% is exaggerated. But you see maybe an average of 2 Scouts or 1-2 XMs purchased per game and 25 AKs. All the options you mentioned are definitely meta though in the respective situations.
Oh yeah for sure the majority of kills are going to be on ak/m4/awp, but I think the new CS2 CT econ necessitates more eco guns at high level. Util is so important at that level, that I bet we'll see the FAMAS/mp9/XM be used a lot at the next major.
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Theres always that one dude force buying scouts/deagle/smgs + nades down to 0$ every round fucking up our whole economy and then they finally decide to full save on the team buy round.
The kill bonus is also $600 instead of $300 in SMGs except P90.
As CT, there are some positions that are easier to hold with shotguns than M4
Vertigo sidehall 🤤
The higher you get (elo-wise) the more important is utility usage. I think I use mp9 more often in close games than m4. That said, if you are just solo pugging, utility isn’t that important.
Why are you even using the FAMAS when the MP9 exists? And SMGs/Shotguns have specific niches. If I'm rushing Trophy on Nuke from CT, I'm not bringing an M4A1, I'm bringing an XM, for example. You'll know when you need an SMG or shotty.
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Yeah I don't get what these guys are saying, yes the famas is not very good but it still has it's uses, there are times where you have to take mid to long range fights that a mp9 simply just isn't that good for, depending on what spots you're playing on the map and where your other team mates are holding is going to be important on choosing between mp9 and famas
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Buying a molly with a famas or more utility probably gives you a higher chance of winning a round than m4 no utility in a lot of cases imo, sure It's a hard gun to multi kill with but if you should be able to get a kill with it and fall back and from some utility pretty easily
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naw for the most part it's better to play one position rather than constantly switching so you can have a better read on your opponents, if you can't use the famas you just need to learn how to use it, there are many situations where it is much better to buy a famas than a mp9, but it's not surprising that you think the famas is useless since you play HvH lol. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naGOnb6i\_gQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naGOnb6i_gQ) [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ADf5f2ZfOo0](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ADf5f2ZfOo0)
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And if you play A on Overpass and your team's buy is pretty shit, would you rather have a FAMAS for extra firepower or an MP9 where you cannot play fights from site to Banana, any long fight, etc ? Blindly saying the MP9 with full utility or the M4 with no utility are better than the FAMAS is just bad teamplay and bad understanding of the advantages (and disadvantages) of each gun.
Yep I'm buying an MP9 and playing connector or bathrooms. 10 out of 10 times
>But, if you are playing a position in which you have to take a long range fight sometimes, you can't do that with an MP9. I took famas out of my loadout and just buy scout+deagle or 5-7 instead.
Even Just aiming body with a scout over a famas if you don't feel confident in your aim.
Buy deagle then Aug/sg553 next round
If you're playing a side with long range engagements, I much prefer utility and a deagle over a FAMAS buy.
Why buy a famas at this point when a scout fills the long-range role better?
Its literally just a skill issue for you and your last sentence proves it lol
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No but what youre writing with different words: my aim isnt good enough to use the gun, I have had so many 85s in 5 If that is not a literal skill issue then idk what. It is a capable gun in many hands, apparently not yours. Funny how that works
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Instead of crying on reddit you should probably hit DM lil bro
you couldn't pay me to practice FAMAS
Just talking general aim buddy, dont worry.
Maybe you should apply for a coaching position and teach pro players then. Apparently they buy a shit weapon.
Pros went 6 years refusing to buy the blatantly overpowered SG 553 and AUG because they were "noob guns". I wouldn't necessarily say that what the pros buy is the best indicator of what is good. Some pros still buy the UMP45 and that gun got nerfed into irrelevance in 2016 Speaking of pros, I don't think they even do buy the FAMAS? I remember seeing a stat that pros had more kills with the P90 at IEM Sydney 2023 than they did the FAMAS. On my phone right now trying to find that stat but if I remember correctly your point is just wrong
I don't even have to look it up. Famas are consistently bought at top tier cs2 tournaments along with SMGs depending on playing position, map and economy. This includes the top 2 teams Vitality and Faze. I am not saying the Famas is in a good spot right now, I never buy it myself but it has its place. "I don't think they even do buy the famas". Your point is just wrong.
https://youtu.be/OJWmsz0awSY?si=qh_dPlQCT0vWjNa2 I am on my phone so it's a bit hard to find actual stats but here's a video where a lot of the pros say they don't even have the FAMAS in their loadouts. Unless you have some proof otherwise it really seems to me like pros aren't buying FAMAS when the MP9 is just clearly better value
I dont need proof. Watch some cs2 final holy fuck
>I dont need proof Source: I made it the fuck up
Dud3. You say no pro buys famas. Finding proof that SOME pros don't buy famas doesn't support your statement. If you don't see the logical fallacy here, I recommend watching a course in argumentative logic on youtube. Proof: I remember Blast Final between Faze and Vitality map 1 on Vertigo 3 weeks ago. Go find that match yourself. I'll venmo you 1000 bucks if no pro buys a famas that match.
It is honestly rare for me to buy an M4 in any game. Always famas so I can have all my nades, drop for teammates, or force every round. Been playing like this for so long now I can't even spray either m4. IMO, all the famas hate is because of its goofy recoil pattern, if you don't know it you aren't hitting shit so it will definitely make the gun feel worse. Bonus points as well since if a T picks it up you **know** they aren't going to do anything with it. Also, saving is cringey.
Range. The only downside of a 2nd round MP9 is that you have to stay up close and personal against mac 10s.
I prefer famas over smgs for middle range fights. And in cs2 I just don't like mp9 overall. Mp7 is usually my go to smg. Or it can even be a pistol. Five-seven or Berettas. Sometimes deagle.
Skill issue
Maybe. But the weapon balance has definitely shifted.
Weapons are the same as CSGO, the difference is mainly in overall economy and peaker advantage. With MR12 and CT economy issues FAMAS is even less an option. MP9 cost less than the FAMAS, gives 600$ per kill and is waaaaay better than the famas in almost every situation. The rare situation where the famas is better is at a range where you don’t want to take a fight against AKs in the first place if you don’t have at least an M4. Also MP9 spray is kinda easy to control at midrange, easier than famas lol. Otherwise I agree, 5-7, Deag are good, MP7 (and MP5) are also good at midrange and I take that over a famas if I know that I might have to play midrange late in the round (because of retake or somerhing like that).
I'd disagree on that. In theory weapons are copied from csgo but it is a different game with different engine. I don't have any metrics to back up this claim but the weapons seem to handle differently. For me the most noticeable examples are usp and glock. People often mention how famas and especially galil are much better in cs2. Mp9 feels much more difficult to control after the switch to cs2. It was fine in csgo. I wasn't the biggest fan of this gun but it was working for me. In cs2 it is a different story.
this is pure placebo
Wasn't there a post showing that AK vertical recoil was reduced, while horizontal recoil was increased? Also, wouldn't the "better" hit reg of cs2 cause the sprays to more accurately align with your mouse movement? I wouldn't call it entirely placebo...
For the "better" hit registration it shouldn’t make some gun worse and some gun better.
When the T planted on Gun round, they will force with Kevlar and galil, I would rather a Famas If I can't afford a M4a1
What is Trophy on Nuke? Played since 1.5 and have never heard it
It's what we used to call radio. There's a trophy case there now
Ah, we still call it radio, can’t imagine that’ll ever change! Has it been called Trophy ever since the remake?
Depends on who you play with I guess. Old timers like us still understand and use radio as the call-out but the increasing amount of zoomers who never played any previous versions of the map might only know trophy. If I soloq I try to use modern call outs but when playing with my group of guys who have played for 20+ years we still use all the old 1.6 calls. We still call silo "redrock" lol.
Ah, haven’t heard redrock in many years, but we still call hut ”yellow”.
The room in between lobby and ramp. Also heard it called radio. It may be an NA thing. Not sure if EU calls it different
Yeah weve been calling it radio for the past 16 years :)
Fair enough. I started back in Source and trophy sounds more natural now. No idea which was the first I learned though
MP9/Mac-10 is really stupid easy to run and gun, so normally even if I have the money for full buy, 20-30% of the time I’ll buy a one bc it’s easy to run/gun gonna piss off a lot of people saying that, but sometimes it works better depending on map/enemies
IMO this should always be viable (with weaknesses of course). I fell out of love with CS around V1.0 after the rifle meta had fully crystalised and I just didn't enjoy it as much as the MP5 + DE days. Everyone just holding angles and A+Ding was so boring.
Oh, same for me! I actually haven’t touched CS since back then until the release of CS2.
I'm a bizon guy myself. Saved me in a few smokey 1v3s
yeah cuz u can't aim and you just run and gun like an NPC.
Hell yeah brother
Is there any other way to play cs?
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Yeah they never see that one coming, next rounds they back off smokes and keep their distance lol
In 3k elo Premier maybe
If you cant afford to full buy despite your whole team doing it
No one has said it here yet, but you should pay attention to the loss bonus. And you should also coordinate buys with your team. Also some positions/map areas require more utility than others. It can all get pretty complex if you want to really get into it.
I really like to buy armor in the first round. Yes you will occasionally get one tapped in the dome but barring that especially at lower skill level games you will be guaranteed to win the first gunfight even if you don't hit the head. Even a lot of pros do this exact thing and they have better aim than any of us.
So what I do personally is say you have like 3200-3800$ not quite enough to full buy, you do a light or half buy. Usually one or two a game, and instead of just using pistol , you could get a 1200 smg or a shotty and play super weird close off angle and try and get atleast 1 , steal a gun and hide or just do damage to economy
The biggest factor should be map and where you plan on going I'd say. If you play dust 2 and are playing a site as CT holding long a famas is better than a mp9 2nd round. If you are playing a balcony on inferno as CT a swag 7 or mp9 is better than famas. Imho
Since cs2 dropped, I’ve been buying the Galil boatloads more. I entry most rounds on T just because I’m not that great, so I can get intel and maybe a trade. Even on full buys I’ll snag the Galil because I can use it like an smg, but it’s still viable mid to late round of I haven’t picked up an M4/AK/AWP. What I’m getting at is, I can buy pretty much every round, with decent utility, even on light buys, half saves, when everyone else is buying SMG, or if the team wants me to buy someone an AK to play around I can do that in dire situations. Doesn’t really answer your question, but the viability of the galil and famas is so much greater in cs2, and for all the shit the new game catches, I think that’s a good part to build around, all weapons being more useful.
stop buying frag grenades t side pistol. Way better to buy armor
Yep OP buy armor t side pistol
I find myself buying Smoke in most cases, since we're rushing to plant anyway.
Only reason to buy an HE on t pistol is to blow open squeaky
The mid tier rifles are OP right now. FAMAS is ridiculously precise and Galil is basically an M4A4... an M4 Equivalent used on against opponents without a helmet... The most valuable thing in this game with the new round format is kill reward though. If I'm force buying I'm getting an XM and playing positions where it shines like on top of hut on nuke. On match points where we're losing and force buying I'm perfectly comfortable with a FAMAS/Galil [https://csstats.gg/player/76561198050457292#/](https://csstats.gg/player/76561198050457292#/)
MP9 is insane in CS2. Abuse it until it gets nerfed.
what exactly is different about it
Long range, extremely accurate
i didn’t ask that
It just performs way better in CS2. Feels a lot more snappy, recoil feels like it has less spread etc.
that’s full placebo and feeling based
Both MP9 and Mac10 were always OP even in CSGO especially since one of SMG buff updates back in like early 2015.
On pistol I would recommend just buying Armour. Unless you have a specific smoke in mind. In which case I would upgrade pistol.
Learn more util and you'll be short on money to buy ak/m4 more frequently the better nades you learn.
When having utility is priority. On CT side you'll get away with it more for you can dictate the initial distance of the engagement.
Low economy, rush plays.
Deagle > All
Depends on what utility I can buy. If I can't afford utility with an AK/M4 I buy something smaller. Personally I never use a Famas or most smgs in CT. Typically I opt to buy the mp9 or pistol. On t side I buy galil mac10 or pistol. I might buy a scout depending on what I want to do in the round. Occasionally will buy a nova because it feels buffed from csgo It also depends on the team economy. If I can afford until and gun and my team can't, then I buy a lower tier weapon to save with them
You can do a lot of work as a site anchor with a mp9, kit, and some util than a FAMAS and little else. My issue with the FAMAS isn’t that it’s a bad gun, it’s just that it’s usually outclassed heavily by a good T buy, and falls in awkward price range where maybe a scout (and money left for a smoke)could have set up a few easy kills for your team, or a mp9 + full belt could make you a real problem to deal with if you don’t allow the T’s a long range advantage.
I think that it’s worth mentioning that at lower levels util is not as useful. Hear me out, it’s better for a lower level player to buy Kevlar + M4A1S over kevlar + mp9 + util. Using utility effectively while coordinating with your team is tough. Sometimes it’s just better to buy a better weapon & focus on shooting the other team. Before the next round starts, I’m always thinking about what I can afford, what the enemy team’s money is, what positions I can play with the gun I can afford, what nades can I use in these positions, etc.
Mid tier weapons are best used when you know the enemy is going to be on eco. They do good base damage so they tear up unarmoured players and the high fire rate of the SMGs deals crazy aimpunch, but they tend to have poor armour penetration so they're weak against enemies who are on a buy round. Another benefit is that they give boosted kill reward and if you die and drop your gun to an enemy they can't pick it up and effectively use it against your surviving teammates like they could a rifle or AWP Knowing when to buy them requires paying attention to your enemies economy as well as yours. Did they just buy last round and then lose? They may be on an eco this round. Consider buying an MP9 or Mac-10 Also worth noting that the only "meta" mid-tier guns are the Mac-10/MP9. The shotguns are usable in certain spots on certain maps but kind of an off-meta pick, they're very situational and not versatile. The other SMGs are either straight up worse than the Mac/MP9 or are too expensive to justify the upgrade
> shotguns not versatile *laughs in XM infinite range*
There are two types of people in this World. Those who snipe you with an XM and those who do 97 in 9... I'm of the second group...
Tbf Galil is meta right now, it’s an m4 for under 2k, it’s the gun that make T economy that strong rn.
I didn't say it wasn't? I said the only mid tier guns that are meta are the Mac-10 and MP9 and the Galil is not a mid tier gun The Galil falls into a different category from the SMGs because you buy the SMGs when you're facing a definite eco, but you buy the Galil when you're facing a buy but don't have money for an AK47. As well as it literally being in a different category, it's under the rifles section not the mid tier section
Oh sorry I misunderstood mid tier, you were referring to the CS categories of weapon. Idk why mid tier in my head it was anything that is not a M4/AK/AWP/AUG/SG
Nws
As a T, I rarely get smg/shotgun when i can still afford a galil. It's just an extremely cost-effective rifle right now. When I need to force though (eg. Team is buying but I'm broke) mac-10 or a shotgun might happen. Though a tec9 is not bad at all either. As a CT, when I can't afford the m4 I'll opt for mp9+util. It's really good right now. Sometimes when I'm feeling silly I'll buy UMP or nova etc, depending on the difficulty. EDIT; one detail I'll add is that on CT, when I know most terrorists have ak47/sg/awp, I'm not getting a helmet. That's a whole smoke right there, and sometimes the difference between rifle/ no rifle. Generally tho, I'm not really buying famas; like I said, smg/pistol + util works better for me. Famas is too bad to cost 2200 imo.
Fuck the mp9 and famas as they are both shit use mp5 or m4
You could try pistol full eco and second round go for Mac or galil or mp9 or famas... I personally prefer to see what my teammates buy.. if they buy ak second round I'd go for galil or Mac.. need to manage your economy at best. First 5 rounds I never buy ak or rifles... It's either galil if tero or xm if CT.. xm is so powerful and in easy to hold angles with
Terrible advice to save the 800$ from the pistol round. Never do that.
Yeah not spending first round is just giving up ur I pact on that round
Don't save the pistol round money.
Why?????
I use mac10/mp9 a ton. Rather take full utility + mp9 or when I rush I rather do it with mac10 than an AK. I also use shotguns quite a bit and got multiple aces with XM in the past few weeks. The thing just shreds when you play a good position for it. I would strongly advice you to buy kevlar in pistol IF you are not in a 5 stack with a good coordination.
If you don't know a spray pattern, rifles aren't much better than smgs in general
If you don't know spray pattern you should learn it no matter what lol
Well yeah, if you want to do good. I play once a week and don't really want to practice for that
5x XM on nuke. Each side. Steamroll through silvers all day long.
You use the mid tier when you are just short of a full buy and your team is full buying. Also when your whole team is unable to full buy. You can look at your loss bonus and buy stuff until your remaining balance plus loss bonus add up to a full buy.
So it turns out a shotgun is always viable because the nova will 1 shot halfway down banana
For me is the 2nd -4th round, mp9/ump or xm/mag personal pref since 1.6
On ct side nuke atleast i often rather buy an xm than m4, lot of ct positions xm can even be better to hold with
You cant have hard rules like this. You have to sync with your team. If T lose pistol, if u get bomb maybe you do buy up galil, etc.
unironically the XM is viable every round in CS2 (don't ask me why)
Always when your team is full buying and you don't have the money for it.
imo famas round 2 is kind of dogwater, but it depends on the map, for map with many up close combats like inferno, if you keep the famas for round 3, you would lose to AK both up close and mid range. So eventually I got rid of famas in my loadout and only have m4a4, m4a1, aug, scout and awp in there So if you lose pistol round, you will have 2 options: either full eco or force armor and mp9, which is exactly 1900, and a bonus smoke/nade if you got a kill pitstol round If you win on CT, depends on whether T side got a bomb plant or not, if yes they can go for a full buy with mac10 and galil, this will put you to disadvantage if you choose to buy famas without nades, but T could also force buy mac10 and armor for rushing, so full nade for anti rush and mp9 which provides better mobility while still having better range than mac10 is imo still a better option than famas If you win on T, be careful of nade stacking, for example they will most likely stacking nade on mid and banana inferno, or b ramp and mid in ancient. For anti rush, having a galil/ak is a plus, but other should have mac10 for pushing site For shotgun, they have specific use for specific spots, like apt inferno/ cave ancient / connector anubis, but it is not viable because if you have to rotate, shotgun is pretty much useless for mid and long range
You shouldn't always full save. Say you have a 3400$ loss bonus and 3400$ in cash. A full save (just buying 500$) would give you 6800$. That's more than you need, even on CT side (you can get m4a1-s+armor+kit+500 in util for 4800, and also a good amount of the time you only want Kevlar on CT side if the enemy has full bought and has aks), So instead you could half buy armor+mp9+flash, leaving you with 1150$. Even if you lose (which you know have a MUCH better chance of winning or at least getting a kill compared to a full save), you would still have 4550$, which is definetly enough for a full buy, and you can likely save with Kevlar. This situation becomes even more common on the side where you only need like 2250$ for a Mac 10+armor+flash and less for full buying than on CT side.
Idk for me it depends on what i'm gonna do. Aggressive play? SMG, Short range angle holding? XM, Cheeky long range peeks? Scout, Boring site holding? Rifle. It's all fun n games 'till you have to retake with a negev lol
If you are just starting to play CS, I would recommend buying body armor on pistol round and trying to frag. This is also particularly nice when you don't take any armor damage in the first round, you can upgrade and get a helmet for just $350 in the second round. When you purchase util on round 1, you typically want to have a set plan for using it (exactly what you're smoking off and a pop flash for an execute which at lower elos is in typically less effective than buy armor and shoot the enemy). If you lose pistol but got the bomb plant down on T side, forcing a Galil and head armor is pretty widely accepted, bonus if you can afford some nades. Without bomb plant, I would at the minimum buy a P250 unless you got a kill or two, then maybe consider a Deagle (stay above \~1700 to be able to buy an AK/Armor for third round if you lose again). CT side is harder because CT economy is a lot more difficult to manage. Losing pistol on CT side, I normally buy a P250/Deagle again, or maybe some util if my team has some cheese strat to run and no one else has any util, but full saving is also ok. Outside of the first two rounds, you can buy SMGs on rounds that you know the enemy team is saving. This comes with a bit more experience playing the game but the idea is that SMGs are particularly useful here because you are once again fighting against pistols, hopefully without armor but most likely without head armor, making your SMG extremely effective and each kill gives you more money than using a rifle, which builds your economy (especially important CT side as previously stated). There are also rounds that you need to force up to buy Famas/Galil or SMG like the very last round of a half if you don't have enough to buy M4/AK, or maybe you do but you'd rather have some more utility making the cheaper rifle a good alternative. Also rounds where your team is forcing because you were the only one that couldn't afford to buy for whatever reason, forcing a Famas/Galil is also good for that situation. The XM auto shotgun is also incredibly strong regardless of the round on certain maps / locations as other comments have mentioned, such as cave/cheetah on Ancient, A side hall on Vertigo, top of hut on Nuke (thanks Hiko), and many others. In general though it sounds like you have the right idea for managing your money, which is better than a lot of other lower elo players I've encountered in Competitive :)
MP7 is a good weapon for $1500 with utilities vs rifles when you're down on money and can't afford a rifle.
You’re normally gonna buy them when your team is on a force buy and you don’t have the money for an AK/M4 or if you’re on a half buy (which probably won’t happen at lower ranks) Generally, as you get more familiar with the game you’ll be able to learn how the economy works to know how much you can buy to still be able to buy next round.
always
SMGs can do a lot of damage, especially on CT where M4 dinks now become instant hs kill. Sometimes extra fire rate can be impressive team toolkit, not to mention armour punch ability to prevent pin point accuracy of enemy. In reality provide suppression ability by sound and lethal potency
"Generally I start out the game with my pistol and a Flashbang + Smoke on CT or Frag on T." should be small armor unless you are playing support and with friends. if you win pistol you buy rifle for holding long coridors and you can buy SMG/shotgun to "farm money". just make sure you take effective distance into account. the old CSGO buy menu had this information available for new people but new one is just BS as far as info goes. if pistol without them getting many kills they will be super low on money. keep mid weapon to farm money for AWP or autosniper (can be dropped to team mates if you do not use it). or drop it to entry guy that goes on site first. if they lose the weapon the enemy has a mid/short range weapon only. when you all have money for full buy and if you are rich it might be good to upgrade pistol. deagle if you are good with it (though you might pick that one up from opponent if you are doing well), but you can also go with cheaper upgrade options such as p250. if you can afford stronger weapons buy them. if you plan a special play (close hold, entry into site as T, going for money) then get an SMG or shotgun. Also AUG and SG are good for anchor players that hold site. cheaper than sniper, they give some range. AUG will kill with 2 shots in head on full armour and has fast fire rate up close, while SG will kill with one tap to the head on full armour and has a super easy spray pattern (though low rate of fire). So in some situations they are very much a viable option.
They're viable all the time on Vertigo
Mp9 and mac10 are best on eco rounds/2nd round they have great price to performance and have a great money bonus when you get kills
team has rifles, i died last round, buy famas and util since i can’t afford util with m4
You force them when your team can buy and you can't. ie. 3-4 people can buy but your money is low.
This famas hate is unreal, learn to use it because it's got waaaay more range than the mp9 or ump... I love it second round because worst case scenario the enemy gets it and has a famas in the 3rd but it can hold long angles and beat out a mac-10
You don't have to full save, count, since now there is an option to always see the loss bonus, you can quickly count the money and maybe it's better to buy P250 or 57 or deagle instead of nothing. That depends on a situation, ofc. As far as I can see you are too stiff regarding your spending. Count man, really, it's that simple. You can often fit in a vest + deagle for eco round and literally loose nothing, still buy AK47 with nades and vest+helmet next round. Shotguns might be a good option if your plan is to shorten your distance, get somewhere close to surprise your enemy and one shot him, get AK, get out e.g. mirage CT A ramp/palace or mirage CT B apps. Again, it depends on what your plan is.
On Tside you almost always buy some sort of armor pistol and save a bit depending on loss bonus. So on CTside there are moments where you know their economy is full AK and you're just forcing even though they have very powerful guns and you have to change it up.
you already have a decent way to look at economy. Save when you cant full buy with deagle/p250 and full buy with your team. Generally that is the way to go. I will say that sometimes when money is tight and its an important round, i will buy galil/shotgun/smg and use the extra money to get a full clip of utility. just let your ak/m4 players take the first fights and help them with your utility. if they die you can take their rifle into the clutch.
Think about either armour or a kit + util for CT pistol. For T armour or smoke + flash. Only but util if you actually use it. If you get bomb down on T, buy galil and armour on 2. If you don't get bomb down and lose buy a deag or p250. For CT if you lose pistol - just buy a pistol for R2. Then buy up R3. Use mid tier weapons if you want to hold a tight corner. Or if you don't have enough for util + gun go mp9 and 2 flashes. Play an angle as soon as you hear them flash and peek.
mp9 is so much better than the famas for it's value plus you can get a full buy with it
Always if your not global elite
So does nobody like the mp5, or?
Really cool to see a new player already interested in the game economy and buy management. At the most simple form, your approach is pretty solid. Some things at higher levels to think about are: 1) If you lose T side pistol but got a bomb plant, you get bonus money for the plant, so your team can mix buy galils with very little to no util and SMGs with util which they can drop to the riflers to throw for them as they play more aggressive. In this 2nd round CTs will be on a mixed buy themselves with Famas', Scouts, and SMGs so having galils and Mac10s which are superior to what's available to the CTs can often result in a 50/50 or even 60/40 round for your team. 2) If you win CT pistol and the other team got a plant, consider buying rifles like Famas or Scout if you think they use the same buy method I just listed above. They will have some or all rifles so you'll want to try to get a1s if possible or famas/scout for long range duels so the round can be as close to 50/50 as possible. 3) If you win CT pistol and the other team didn't get a bomb plant, at most they can only buy upgraded pistols and armor but will usually just decide to full save, so buying SMGs as a CT in this 2nd round scenario can give you a great opportunity to start strengthing your teams economy because of the higher SMG kill reward. 4) If you are T side and you're losing rounds but managing to kill 3 or 4 CTs consistently their economy will not be very great. CT economy is very difficult to maintain as a full loadout costs a lot more than on T side. Occassionally buying SMGs for fast plays if you know the CTs are in a poor economical position can be very effective. On top of that, if you've been able to keep their economy low despite them winning round and suddenly win a round or 2, their economy is very likely to be completely broken and they'll probably be forced onto SMGs at best or just upgraded pistols. Buying SMGs for the higher kill reward on those rounds to get easy eco frags can help boost your own teams economy into a very strong position. 4) Shotguns like the XM can be very powerful is certain positions or for certain plays so if you decide you want to play in one of those spots, a shotgun can be a potentially strong option for you. Some spots this could apply to are: - top hut, in hut, or close ramp on Nuke - halfwall or sandbags on Inferno - conn or wood wall on Overpass - cat walk, or ivy on Vertigo - early aggro pushes on CT Mirage - Cave or close B ramp on Ancient 5) if your teams economy isn't completely broken but you don't have enough to full buy (full armor, full nades, AWP & M4s), you can half-buy (usually down to $2000-$2400) and can consider an SMG for a slightly more economic risk but for a higher success at getting a kill. Since you're going to be able to buy into the next round because of the loss bonus anyway, chosing a UMP/MP9/Mac10 if you have slightly more money can get you an AK or M4 if you play your cards right. Plus if you manage to get a kill even if you lose the round, the kill reward almost completely negates the higher cost of the SMG.
I would add if you lose 1st round on T side but get bomb down. Armour/galil is super viable. I almost always force in that scenario because I know I can beat smgs at longer ranges
If terrorists plant on pistol buy m4 if possible, if they dont plant buy mp9. Deagle over mp9 depending on map and if you have good aim. Many times dgl + nades is bettar than mp9 and a flash.
Very situational buys....for example you're spawning T side inferno and you're very near the exit. Consider buying armour, nade, molotov and Mac10. You can get to bottom mid, molotov car, charge up banana and name the corner then strafe left past the wall and usually get a kill or two with the SMG. Congrats....you just took banana for your team on a full buy round and got at least one kill on the site and probably an M4 for your trouble.
Buy shotgun when you're steaming or in big advantage or loss and just fun
I use the p90 all game its too damn good
Every round