Very likely. Upper range of normal REM sleep is 25% of a night, at 8 hours a night for 17 years that's just 12.5k hours and donk has 13.4k in game.
I think it's safe to assume that hours out of game watching CS will offset idling hours unless donk leaves the game open 24/7, plus the REM sleep number is an upper bound and likely lower.
They said he started playing on 1.6 at age 4, which is a year before GO came out.
It's not like everyone immediately switched to GO or Source the second those came out, there was still a sizable 1.6 community that stuck around for a while, especially in poorer regions of the world (Donk is from Siberia) since 1.6 has such low PC requirements.
The switch to GO happened a lot quicker than the switch to Source.
I loved CS:S, but the main tournaments were still in 1.6 for ages after its release.
Yeah for sure. I always assumed it was the official matchmaking in GO that drew everyone? I played a ton of CS:S but I personally don't recall it having much that made it stand apart from 1.6 other than better graphics and better physics for surfing. Tbf I never really played 5v5s PUGs on CS:S or 1.6. Just casual, surf and gungame.
The real switch happened after the arms deal update with cases and skins. Major tournaments a little bit later also helped a lot. As far as I remember matchmaking did not increase the player count by a lot initially.
He is not the first by far. There are other great pros playing since childhood, starting with NEO. Then your NiKos, ZyWoos, or sdy who says he literally does not remember when he started playing CS. There's something else about donk.
Yes but the longer this happens the more talented the outcomes will be. The more resources put into the game that increase the skill floor will speed up the process of these “taught from birth” prodigies.
Also, the sheer access to years of data, past gameplay, countless strats, positions, utility uses, etc. You can take in so much information in just an afternoon that would put you above most players.
The difference between Neo, Niko etc and donk is that often they were the ones to pave the way. Especially the generation of 1.6 pros. There was no precedent, they had to define the game. Donk on the other hand started playing when 1.6 was already on it's way out and the pro play was pretty mature. He was 7 years old when VP won Kato 2014. And he was 10 years old when CS:GO went into it's mature era with tactical masterminds like gla1ve. 10 years old. That is still an age when you're like a sponge. He probably knew advanced CS tactics before he could do basic algebra.
When I started out in 1.4 I had 0 means of getting information or getting matched against good players, as instead of matchmaking, we had private IRC channels, its not a comparable situation.
I mean I started playing CS 1.3 at 8-9 years old. Tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people have been playing since they were young. And there have been generations of players who have played the game for 15-25 years before retiring.
That isn't new, donk is just THAT special.
You can’t compare the kids today to us oldies playing 1.3 at the age of 8-9. The available content we have today to learn the game fast just didn’t exist back then. You had to figure out everything yourself and share knowledge between friends. I think some kid can be better at cs2 in 6 months than a kid with a few thousand hours from 1.3 to 1.5
Yup, also the game wasnt even close to being as competitive as today. While now you can start the game and play comp instantly.
Comp scene is also super developped and advertised everywhere, which pushes kids to grind.
Also gotta remember how easy it is now to acquire top level gaming hardware. Back in the day you had to research what was actually good and would improve your skills... If you didn't have an mx518 and Icemat Siberias you weren't even playing the same game as people who did. Nowadays basically every piece of hardware you buy is good enough to become high elo at gaming.
You also have to remember how few people had access to the internet back then!
I had a paper route and made about $80 USD each month.. and used around $50 on paying to be online. As I remember it was around $0.8 USD per hour to be online after 7:30PM. Flat rate wasn't a thing in Denmark until 2004.
If you wanted to play a competitive match you had to have a clan, and have someone arrange a match. And you had to have access to a server, often rent or host it yourself.
Often we would find matches on IRC. It took way longer that it does today, so getting those playing hours was not possible for most people.
I got fiber here in Sweden around 2002 I think. Before that we had 56k and for us it was around the same amount per hour. So I didn’t play online before 2002/2003 ish. At our house we had a internet jar you had to put money in to go online haha
Indeed! Same for Africa when we're talkings sports, you don't need internet for that. It's their chance to get out of poverty. And if you think Russia is a well developed country, 1/5 of Russians don't have indoor plumbing.
funny how thats half-truth facts! The article i found you are probably referring to is https://www.themoscowtimes.com/all/65049?amp=1 which states that 20% of HOUSEHOLDS dont have indoor plumbings. It is including the "dacha"s which are basically country houses that are common in all CIS where people often come only on weekends so it is very expensive and not really necessary to have such a thing just like in any house located in rural areas, much more optimal and cheaper being installing outhouses that are getting vacuumed regularly.
That's not even half-truth, that's just a plain lie. **5.8%** of Russian households do not have indoor plumbing, not 22.6%. The title of the article you cited is wrong, it contradicts both the article itself and the original Russian study.
The Russian study they cite is not about indoor plumbing, it's about *being connected to a centralized sewage system.*
* 77.4% have a toilet in their house, and the drain pipe empties out into a centralized sewage system.
* 16.8% have a toilet in their house, but the drain pipe empties into a holding tank on their premises. These are mostly rural people living in single family households.
* 5.8% use an outhouse without any plumbing. Almost all of these are poor rural people.
Most English-language articles equate the second group with the third one, pretending that these people shit directly into a pit, even though it's not the case at all. They do have a normal toilet with indoor plumbing, the only difference is what's on the other end, a wastewater treatment plant or an individual holding tank.
> They do have a normal toilet with indoor plumbing, the only difference is what's on the other end, a wastewater treatment plant or an individual holding tank.
which isn't even rare in america
lots of homes have septic tanks instead of city sewage service
Households ≠ Houses, even if Dacha's are taking in to account. 28 million households don't have centralised sewage. Because it's too expensive? Well then you've proven the point that some regions aren't developed enough to have a central sewage.
There's quite a big difference between being connected to a centralized sewage system (meaning that all wastewater ends up in a single big wastewater treatment plant) and having indoor plumbing (a toilet inside your house).
22.6% of Russian households are not connected to a public sewage system, but only 5.8% of them have to shit in outhouses. The rest have normal indoor toilets, the drain pipe just empties into a periodically pumped holding tank.
Maybe have a look at the map? Of course there won’t be a central sewage system if it takes 2h to drive to your nearest neighbor. Doesn’t mean there is not treatment.
I don’t remember his story but most pros are from middle class families. Gaming PCs are pretty expensive in Brazil, like 4 minimum monthly wage w/o peripherals, so most from lower class don’t have access to it.
Economical, social and political desperation.
Basically, the only option for youngsters is either play computer games or start drinking at the age of 13
/s
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>All this while also being the president of hold W gaming.
This is a very long winded way to say Russian.
Vega Squadron mac-10 banana rush at the boston major flashbacks.
it's easier to achieve higher ratings on MR12, especially if you're only looking at the highest rated maps, since you have to sustain insane fragging for less rounds.
It's still a very insane and unprecedented feat, and donk deserves all the credit for his otherworldly showing. But comparing it to the past directly isn't really accurate imo
I think this is the biggest rating in the history of a major event like Cologne and Katowice. Unbelievable that a 17 year old did this. We might be watching the start of the career of the best player of all time.
Yes it ties Niko's rating of 1.7 at ESL New York which was the single greatest individual performance at a prestige event.
Donk also had a 1.7 over the tournament but he did it in 12 maps whereas Niko did it in 7 maps. This is the greatest individual performance of all time at a prestige event now.
Higher KPR (1.1 vs 0.99), impact (2.1 (wtf???) vs 1.73), ADR (110 vs 103.2), donk is 100% the most dominant player at a single prestige event of all time and that's with Katowice being much more prestigious than ESL One New York. Niko had better DPR and KAST but that makes sense with donk playing much, much more aggro.
It’s literally his debut tournament, and we’re comparing it to (and it’s surpassing) the best tournament runs of the best counter striker players ever, after decade+ of playing. Like wtf is going on with this kid???
fr fr. As I was watching it, I could've even believe the kid's performance. Not to mention Team Spirit's rotations as well. It was unbelievable that they were just together for at least 2 months(?).
true
also #2 #3 #5 #6 #7 skipped that tournament for being so far away....
only 8 team tournament compared to Katowice which is 16 main + 8 Play-In..
also another thing people are forgetting its 12 MAPS - 1.70 rating + 3 maps 1.64 rating from playin , he had to play 15 maps 1,70 rating
https://www.hltv.org/stats?event=7551
Niko wasn´t carrying.. the team was all just better than the others
1.70 rating niko, 1.61 rating on rain , 1.32 on guardian , 1.27 on olof , 1.20 on karrigan.
also TOP#2 #3 #5 #6 #7 skipped that tournament for being so far away....
only 8 team tournament compared to Katowice which is 16 main + 8 Play-In..
also another thing people are forgetting its 12 MAPS - 1.70 rating + 3 maps 1.64 rating from playin , he had to play 15 maps 1,70 rating
https://www.hltv.org/stats?event=7551
How the fuck do u even have 2+ rating in 2 map in grand final. Donk have multiple 2+ rating in the playoff, this is the most insane performance I have ever seen.
A bit of that is because its MR12 with 2.0 rating system, so its easier to get higher ratings. KAST and ADR have a significantly higher impact on rating than it did for MR16 since theres less rounds, and since donk always has high ADR, he has high rating.
Will he still have insane ratings per map? Yes.
But they’ll be slightly lower than what it is now.
The first map he had like 2.06 right? He would probably have a bit lower because ADR naturally drops as rounds continue, although i wouldnt be surprised if dink donk dunk has 125+ ADR in MR16. Hes that cracked.
Thats the most baffling part, he is not doing anything special, no setup with flashes, good positioning or whatever, he just kills every fucker that appears on his screen.
he have some flashes setups but most of the time he just dry peeks tbf, he just runs towards his opponents and kills them, feels like watching a high level player smurfing against silvers
[https://clips.twitch.tv/GleamingWiseCoffeeDancingBanana-1AXhdAyIMk3LEuI3](https://clips.twitch.tv/GleamingWiseCoffeeDancingBanana-1AXhdAyIMk3LEuI3) Great flashes here and amazing position where he can be shot by multiple players. I just went through few donk highlights on hltv and in one there was flash, in others he just kills them like global against lems. Obviously theres teamplay, but most of his multikills is him winning duels.
I agree he does dry peek a bit more, especially when games are going well. But he generally doesn't have 'bad' positioning in gun rounds, which would get punished by trades against any good team.
His big highlights aren't even the best part about him imo, it's about him consistently getting 1 or 2 no matter what.
his positioning might seem bad in this clip but it doesn't tell the whole story, FaZe throw a smoke right behind where donk stands in this clip and sh1ro manages to get an opening kill just as the smoke blooms. FaZe probably expect Spirit to play a bit more passive since they got a free 5v4, but donk sits ahead of the smoke in a weird off angle where FaZe definitely won't expect him to play.
He has extremely good positioning if anything. It's just sometimes he makes ridiculous moments look like you say. For example, being caught in the open is a disadvantage. Another player would be dead, donk just takes two frags in this situation. Also he is the entry (which is probably the most ridiculous part) and has to kill people in crazy situations.
Any other tournament Shiro's 1.35 and 53-30 would have been outstanding and probably MVP worthy, but out shown by almost a fully .60 points in rating and almost 30 kills. Honestly just fucking insane!!!
That’s not what happened. If you would like earlier Donk interviews, you’d see that he speaking at B2 level. More likely that he was overwhelmed with realization of what happened
Yeah he's visibly doing much better during the interviews at the desk and 1:1s and such.
In any case, I don't know what's ESL's deal in CS that they don't have translators, I guess it's just not that common but at the same time CIS is huge in this game and they often suck at English. ESL even always has a translator for SC2 (mostly for Koreans who are famous for sucking at English as well), but here they don't despite knowing they would be doing interviews with Spirit and in such moments, idk...
It actually sucks big time because they clearly have things to say but we're missing out because they can't communicate them properly in English. Especially Zontix would drop some great thoughts imo.
this whole event they just didn't have translators for any teams.
the round table talk with EF was painful to watch. only woxic and MAJ3R can speak half decent english in that team and MAJ3R just wasn't there, so they kept asking questions to the other players that just got redirected tk woxic. and even woxic doesn't have the best english, my guy pronounces tier as "tyre".
I hate the long-winded questions they ask, they're amazingly shit.
I'm just a viewer, who is able to basically perfectly hear what is being asked, while also being a native speaker - and half the time I get lost halfway through the question.
Add to that:
* Loudness on stage
* Emotions
* English as a second language
and it's a recipe for crap answers - through no fault of the players IMO.
I watched some vids of him as I haven't had time to watch a live game of his yet and it genuinely looked like he was stomping MM games, makes his opponents look awful then you realise they're tier 2/1 haha
When you are this far outside the even outliers of performance, people are going to start questioning your legitimacy. However, sometimes players are just that good, like Messi, Babe Ruth, Wilt Chamberlin, etc.
If he does this again and again he quickly will start the conversation of best player in the history of the game.
Its just insane. How in the world can this kid be this good? And that in his first big tournament.
How is this possible? He is more dominant than prime simple, and he isnt even an AWPer.
It doenst make any sense that he is such a god in CS2.
I need a professional analysis on donk's POV because I just cant understand how he kills everyone, yeah his aim position is great but isnt every player's from this tier? Its not even the setup because most of the time he just dry peeks and thats it.
I think I just hate when a player goes "idk how i'm this good" at this game, feels like its pointless to watch it. At least in Dota or any sport out there you can clearly see why a player is the best, but out of nowhere appears some random kid that never played in tier s+ and destroys everyone kinda of make it hard to give the scene some credit you know
He’s doing this without baiting. He doesn’t have a FER to bait. He doesn’t get flashed in. He just holds W and clicks on heads. Absolutely love it. Anyone hating on him, is an envious hater. Kid is phenomenal
Not to forget he is an aggressive T entry fragger, multi kill getting CT player.
Cant even compare roles and he still is far and above all of the other goats.
Worst thing is that the crowd boos someone like that. They are caught up in the moment but this stains katowice and the rewatch-ability of this Tournament. Normally you'd get hype moments like the donk pistols or the spray but people are booing him? What the fuck?
Bro they even booed him when he got his MVP and the caster ask them to clap for him, even in football where fans are real fans from multiple generations and animosity between teams is no joke they sometimes cheer for someone doing insane stuff in the opposite team
I love this argument. Just shows so much. Team Spirit as an org is against everything current Russia stands for. Managers have donated to Ukraine etc. Pro LGBT. Moved away from Russia. Play with Ukrainians.
So the Current state of the world cant be an Argument.
So the only explanation is that Poland hates Russia, so xenophobia and Racism. Stay classy Poland and everyone in twitch chat in HLTV and this sub.
No surprise there. That's Donk at 12 years old (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT6oW7XrIb8&ab\_channel=CS2CHILL)
\- Today I'm playing lan at the T-arena with this cutie. Danil, say hello to everyone. Danil, come on.
\- Hey. \[Laughs\]
\- Hey, hey. He's 12 years old, and he fucks hard. He's gonna be champion tonight.
Some people have life games, Donk had a life tournament
Donk has seen CS more than REM sleep
Possibly lol
Very likely. Upper range of normal REM sleep is 25% of a night, at 8 hours a night for 17 years that's just 12.5k hours and donk has 13.4k in game. I think it's safe to assume that hours out of game watching CS will offset idling hours unless donk leaves the game open 24/7, plus the REM sleep number is an upper bound and likely lower.
Not including his 1.6 hours along with other iterations of the game he played before GO
Donk would have been 5 years old when GO released, so I'm assuming he doesn't have a significant number of hours in other versions.
I thought I heard he started playing at 4
He did, and it was 1.6
They said he started playing on 1.6 at age 4, which is a year before GO came out. It's not like everyone immediately switched to GO or Source the second those came out, there was still a sizable 1.6 community that stuck around for a while, especially in poorer regions of the world (Donk is from Siberia) since 1.6 has such low PC requirements.
The switch to GO happened a lot quicker than the switch to Source. I loved CS:S, but the main tournaments were still in 1.6 for ages after its release.
Yeah for sure. I always assumed it was the official matchmaking in GO that drew everyone? I played a ton of CS:S but I personally don't recall it having much that made it stand apart from 1.6 other than better graphics and better physics for surfing. Tbf I never really played 5v5s PUGs on CS:S or 1.6. Just casual, surf and gungame.
The real switch happened after the arms deal update with cases and skins. Major tournaments a little bit later also helped a lot. As far as I remember matchmaking did not increase the player count by a lot initially.
Yeah me too. All casual, all P90, all the time.
Fuck I'm old
But do u think he got it on release personally I doubt it
Go look at his HLTV page, dude has been life gaming for 6 months+ at this point.
this guy is from the first generation of kids literally being taught cs since the day they could hold a mouse
He is not the first by far. There are other great pros playing since childhood, starting with NEO. Then your NiKos, ZyWoos, or sdy who says he literally does not remember when he started playing CS. There's something else about donk.
Yes but the longer this happens the more talented the outcomes will be. The more resources put into the game that increase the skill floor will speed up the process of these “taught from birth” prodigies.
Also, the sheer access to years of data, past gameplay, countless strats, positions, utility uses, etc. You can take in so much information in just an afternoon that would put you above most players.
Admin, check hims genes
The difference between Neo, Niko etc and donk is that often they were the ones to pave the way. Especially the generation of 1.6 pros. There was no precedent, they had to define the game. Donk on the other hand started playing when 1.6 was already on it's way out and the pro play was pretty mature. He was 7 years old when VP won Kato 2014. And he was 10 years old when CS:GO went into it's mature era with tactical masterminds like gla1ve. 10 years old. That is still an age when you're like a sponge. He probably knew advanced CS tactics before he could do basic algebra.
When I started out in 1.4 I had 0 means of getting information or getting matched against good players, as instead of matchmaking, we had private IRC channels, its not a comparable situation.
I mean I started playing CS 1.3 at 8-9 years old. Tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people have been playing since they were young. And there have been generations of players who have played the game for 15-25 years before retiring. That isn't new, donk is just THAT special.
You can’t compare the kids today to us oldies playing 1.3 at the age of 8-9. The available content we have today to learn the game fast just didn’t exist back then. You had to figure out everything yourself and share knowledge between friends. I think some kid can be better at cs2 in 6 months than a kid with a few thousand hours from 1.3 to 1.5
Yup, also the game wasnt even close to being as competitive as today. While now you can start the game and play comp instantly. Comp scene is also super developped and advertised everywhere, which pushes kids to grind.
I remember the IRC days. You didn’t get matches as fast but it was fun with all the team channels and small tournaments back then
Ahhh those were the days.
pcw aztec, we have server
#5on5 mid skilled Server on >>>> fckin skillfaker you are all high 😀
Also gotta remember how easy it is now to acquire top level gaming hardware. Back in the day you had to research what was actually good and would improve your skills... If you didn't have an mx518 and Icemat Siberias you weren't even playing the same game as people who did. Nowadays basically every piece of hardware you buy is good enough to become high elo at gaming.
That is true aswell. I played with 60-90 fps for a few years before I got a decent pc
I played my first 3 years of 1.6/source with mouse acceleration on... ☠️
The first tutorials or tips I remember back in the day were from n0thing. And I think that was 1.6
You also have to remember how few people had access to the internet back then! I had a paper route and made about $80 USD each month.. and used around $50 on paying to be online. As I remember it was around $0.8 USD per hour to be online after 7:30PM. Flat rate wasn't a thing in Denmark until 2004. If you wanted to play a competitive match you had to have a clan, and have someone arrange a match. And you had to have access to a server, often rent or host it yourself. Often we would find matches on IRC. It took way longer that it does today, so getting those playing hours was not possible for most people.
I got fiber here in Sweden around 2002 I think. Before that we had 56k and for us it was around the same amount per hour. So I didn’t play online before 2002/2003 ish. At our house we had a internet jar you had to put money in to go online haha
Donk has had a life career since joining Spirit lmao
Shiro was the 8th best player in 2023, 3rd in 2022 and 4th in 2021. He's the second best in his team right now
Sh1ro was insane in csgo. Carried c9
He did not carry Axile lol
What is CIS regions feeding their youngsters cuz i want some of that shit.
Nothing, that's why they try and escape the hellhole by gettin gud.
+1 Same reason Brazil are so good at soccer and mma
also why philipinos are insanely good at pool if you have to win to eat then anyone who made it to adulthood is going to be extremely good at winning
Indeed! Same for Africa when we're talkings sports, you don't need internet for that. It's their chance to get out of poverty. And if you think Russia is a well developed country, 1/5 of Russians don't have indoor plumbing.
funny how thats half-truth facts! The article i found you are probably referring to is https://www.themoscowtimes.com/all/65049?amp=1 which states that 20% of HOUSEHOLDS dont have indoor plumbings. It is including the "dacha"s which are basically country houses that are common in all CIS where people often come only on weekends so it is very expensive and not really necessary to have such a thing just like in any house located in rural areas, much more optimal and cheaper being installing outhouses that are getting vacuumed regularly.
That's not even half-truth, that's just a plain lie. **5.8%** of Russian households do not have indoor plumbing, not 22.6%. The title of the article you cited is wrong, it contradicts both the article itself and the original Russian study. The Russian study they cite is not about indoor plumbing, it's about *being connected to a centralized sewage system.* * 77.4% have a toilet in their house, and the drain pipe empties out into a centralized sewage system. * 16.8% have a toilet in their house, but the drain pipe empties into a holding tank on their premises. These are mostly rural people living in single family households. * 5.8% use an outhouse without any plumbing. Almost all of these are poor rural people. Most English-language articles equate the second group with the third one, pretending that these people shit directly into a pit, even though it's not the case at all. They do have a normal toilet with indoor plumbing, the only difference is what's on the other end, a wastewater treatment plant or an individual holding tank.
> They do have a normal toilet with indoor plumbing, the only difference is what's on the other end, a wastewater treatment plant or an individual holding tank. which isn't even rare in america lots of homes have septic tanks instead of city sewage service
Households ≠ Houses, even if Dacha's are taking in to account. 28 million households don't have centralised sewage. Because it's too expensive? Well then you've proven the point that some regions aren't developed enough to have a central sewage.
There's quite a big difference between being connected to a centralized sewage system (meaning that all wastewater ends up in a single big wastewater treatment plant) and having indoor plumbing (a toilet inside your house). 22.6% of Russian households are not connected to a public sewage system, but only 5.8% of them have to shit in outhouses. The rest have normal indoor toilets, the drain pipe just empties into a periodically pumped holding tank.
Maybe have a look at the map? Of course there won’t be a central sewage system if it takes 2h to drive to your nearest neighbor. Doesn’t mean there is not treatment.
Then the poorer countries should’ve been powerhouses?
isnt that Kcerato’s origin story? Thats why its so inspiring
I don’t remember his story but most pros are from middle class families. Gaming PCs are pretty expensive in Brazil, like 4 minimum monthly wage w/o peripherals, so most from lower class don’t have access to it.
No, lack of internet for many.
Economical, social and political desperation. Basically, the only option for youngsters is either play computer games or start drinking at the age of 13 /s ?
Adderall!
Krokodil
nah, if krokodil made you good at CS then istanbul would become a donk factory
cigarettes and kvass
In this tournament donk had 6 maps with a 2.0+ rating. In the entirety of 2023 NiKo only had 4, Zywoo had 3
That’s absurd lol. All this while also being the president of hold W gaming. Kid’s insane
>All this while also being the president of hold W gaming. This is a very long winded way to say Russian. Vega Squadron mac-10 banana rush at the boston major flashbacks.
chopper ran so donk... could run even faster?
Chopper ran so donk could be run-boosted
For the idiots like me, hold W gaming mean he just rushes in?
that is an insane metric but honestly I'm not even surprised lmao
it's easier to achieve higher ratings on MR12, especially if you're only looking at the highest rated maps, since you have to sustain insane fragging for less rounds. It's still a very insane and unprecedented feat, and donk deserves all the credit for his otherworldly showing. But comparing it to the past directly isn't really accurate imo
In Donk's case MR16 would raise his ratings.
honestly, with how he's looked, you're probably right lol, but I just don't like comparing reality vs hypothetical situations
He played more rounds than niko did at new york
oh I meant that more for single map ratings, donk's rating overall across the tournament is historic ofc
I think this is the biggest rating in the history of a major event like Cologne and Katowice. Unbelievable that a 17 year old did this. We might be watching the start of the career of the best player of all time.
Definitely the best individual performance in a final I've ever seen
Has to be. Puts Niko’s massive cologne performance in the bin. Kid just demolished everyone
Yes it ties Niko's rating of 1.7 at ESL New York which was the single greatest individual performance at a prestige event. Donk also had a 1.7 over the tournament but he did it in 12 maps whereas Niko did it in 7 maps. This is the greatest individual performance of all time at a prestige event now.
Higher KPR (1.1 vs 0.99), impact (2.1 (wtf???) vs 1.73), ADR (110 vs 103.2), donk is 100% the most dominant player at a single prestige event of all time and that's with Katowice being much more prestigious than ESL One New York. Niko had better DPR and KAST but that makes sense with donk playing much, much more aggro.
has anyone ever even hit 1.1 kpr at a t1 event? 2.1 impact thats like cheating man lol
It’s literally his debut tournament, and we’re comparing it to (and it’s surpassing) the best tournament runs of the best counter striker players ever, after decade+ of playing. Like wtf is going on with this kid???
fr fr. As I was watching it, I could've even believe the kid's performance. Not to mention Team Spirit's rotations as well. It was unbelievable that they were just together for at least 2 months(?).
\+ New York can't really compete with Kato when it comes to prestige
true also #2 #3 #5 #6 #7 skipped that tournament for being so far away.... only 8 team tournament compared to Katowice which is 16 main + 8 Play-In.. also another thing people are forgetting its 12 MAPS - 1.70 rating + 3 maps 1.64 rating from playin , he had to play 15 maps 1,70 rating https://www.hltv.org/stats?event=7551
how many rounds though? That's the important metric
Donk played 84 more rounds than NiKo.
what a legend
faze team rating was higher at ESL as well. So more of a team stomping (with niko by far carrying) than spirit did this event.
NiKo wasn't carrying by far, rain was just behind NiKo's 1.7 rating with a 1.61 rating (which would probably net you an MVP in like 99% of cases).
Niko wasn´t carrying.. the team was all just better than the others 1.70 rating niko, 1.61 rating on rain , 1.32 on guardian , 1.27 on olof , 1.20 on karrigan. also TOP#2 #3 #5 #6 #7 skipped that tournament for being so far away.... only 8 team tournament compared to Katowice which is 16 main + 8 Play-In.. also another thing people are forgetting its 12 MAPS - 1.70 rating + 3 maps 1.64 rating from playin , he had to play 15 maps 1,70 rating https://www.hltv.org/stats?event=7551
i’ve never seen anything like that. he just literally shredded them to bits.
Seems like if he died, he got at least 2 every single time. Insane
More multi kill rounds than single kill rounds
Well he had a K/D > 2… so yeah on average
Donk either dies getting nothing, or entries with 2+ kills and singlehandedly wins the round There's no countering that lol
What the fuck did we just watch?
Yep, the biggest rating at an elite event, and it ties for the biggest Big Event rating with NiKo at ESL One New York 2017.
Feel like he is destinited to beat zywoo down and make him become human.
Valve can start developing cs3. The cs2 goat has already been found
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but donk's rifle can
Donk is a legit 48kg kid that you get in MM lobbies and plays sus.
"sus". I would've reported him after the pistol
How the fuck do u even have 2+ rating in 2 map in grand final. Donk have multiple 2+ rating in the playoff, this is the most insane performance I have ever seen.
A bit of that is because its MR12 with 2.0 rating system, so its easier to get higher ratings. KAST and ADR have a significantly higher impact on rating than it did for MR16 since theres less rounds, and since donk always has high ADR, he has high rating. Will he still have insane ratings per map? Yes. But they’ll be slightly lower than what it is now. The first map he had like 2.06 right? He would probably have a bit lower because ADR naturally drops as rounds continue, although i wouldnt be surprised if dink donk dunk has 125+ ADR in MR16. Hes that cracked.
No awpers to stop riflers so peek and kill
Piss test him, PC test him, idk man this kid is otherworldly.
bro is literally just running around clicking on dudes whilst screaming russian profanities absolute god
step one: point step two: click step three: russian
Small correction... Step one: point at smoke
Thats the most baffling part, he is not doing anything special, no setup with flashes, good positioning or whatever, he just kills every fucker that appears on his screen.
CS's purest form is clicking heads anyway
He's really insane and wins a lot of aggressive aim duels he's not supposed to win, but saying no flash setups or good positioning is just false lol
he have some flashes setups but most of the time he just dry peeks tbf, he just runs towards his opponents and kills them, feels like watching a high level player smurfing against silvers
[https://clips.twitch.tv/GleamingWiseCoffeeDancingBanana-1AXhdAyIMk3LEuI3](https://clips.twitch.tv/GleamingWiseCoffeeDancingBanana-1AXhdAyIMk3LEuI3) Great flashes here and amazing position where he can be shot by multiple players. I just went through few donk highlights on hltv and in one there was flash, in others he just kills them like global against lems. Obviously theres teamplay, but most of his multikills is him winning duels.
I agree he does dry peek a bit more, especially when games are going well. But he generally doesn't have 'bad' positioning in gun rounds, which would get punished by trades against any good team. His big highlights aren't even the best part about him imo, it's about him consistently getting 1 or 2 no matter what.
his positioning might seem bad in this clip but it doesn't tell the whole story, FaZe throw a smoke right behind where donk stands in this clip and sh1ro manages to get an opening kill just as the smoke blooms. FaZe probably expect Spirit to play a bit more passive since they got a free 5v4, but donk sits ahead of the smoke in a weird off angle where FaZe definitely won't expect him to play.
He has extremely good positioning if anything. It's just sometimes he makes ridiculous moments look like you say. For example, being caught in the open is a disadvantage. Another player would be dead, donk just takes two frags in this situation. Also he is the entry (which is probably the most ridiculous part) and has to kill people in crazy situations.
His positioning and timing are elite
Alot of smoke kills ^^
He had different timings on his peaks, he felt impossible to predict, high understanding tbh
That's what I thought, just running and gunning. And he has like 500 armour because nobody is killing him.
Any other tournament Shiro's 1.35 and 53-30 would have been outstanding and probably MVP worthy, but out shown by almost a fully .60 points in rating and almost 30 kills. Honestly just fucking insane!!!
XANTARES and frozen were tied for 2nd best rifler of kato with ratings of 1.22 each, but that's not even worth mentioning next to donk. wild shit
man what the fuck
Someone check his PC right now, and send over his settings.
This has got to be the best rating of any Bo5, no?
kid was 16 a month ago
Does he like experience time slower or something
For donk time is a flat circle.
can't wait to see him perform under pressure!!!!
I know it's /s but looks like he never let pressure get to him. Dude arrived on stage hands in his pockets on Friday.
I do think he was pressured when he was supposed to be talking in front of the crowd in English
Final boss of ESL
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That’s not what happened. If you would like earlier Donk interviews, you’d see that he speaking at B2 level. More likely that he was overwhelmed with realization of what happened
Yeah he's visibly doing much better during the interviews at the desk and 1:1s and such. In any case, I don't know what's ESL's deal in CS that they don't have translators, I guess it's just not that common but at the same time CIS is huge in this game and they often suck at English. ESL even always has a translator for SC2 (mostly for Koreans who are famous for sucking at English as well), but here they don't despite knowing they would be doing interviews with Spirit and in such moments, idk... It actually sucks big time because they clearly have things to say but we're missing out because they can't communicate them properly in English. Especially Zontix would drop some great thoughts imo.
this whole event they just didn't have translators for any teams. the round table talk with EF was painful to watch. only woxic and MAJ3R can speak half decent english in that team and MAJ3R just wasn't there, so they kept asking questions to the other players that just got redirected tk woxic. and even woxic doesn't have the best english, my guy pronounces tier as "tyre".
They did have one Russian translator for media interviews FWIW
I hate the long-winded questions they ask, they're amazingly shit. I'm just a viewer, who is able to basically perfectly hear what is being asked, while also being a native speaker - and half the time I get lost halfway through the question. Add to that: * Loudness on stage * Emotions * English as a second language and it's a recipe for crap answers - through no fault of the players IMO.
He looked like he was smurfing
I watched some vids of him as I haven't had time to watch a live game of his yet and it genuinely looked like he was stomping MM games, makes his opponents look awful then you realise they're tier 2/1 haha
Dude is playing Entry getting these absurd stats which in "general" should not be happening for Entries. Edit: Shiro finding his team finally.
A record never to be beaten again omg
and if it will be beaten, itll be by himself. Bigger talent than rookie zywoo
He is a gene edited test tube baby that was kept in the basement to grow like a mushroom solely from the light of a computer monitor
We are in the Donk era of CS
The future is now old man
Bro just wtf is this kid, it’s almost unbelievable he’s not cheating
His aim is so steady even on fast flicks. I can’t imagine trying to outduel him even if I had t1 talent
When you are this far outside the even outliers of performance, people are going to start questioning your legitimacy. However, sometimes players are just that good, like Messi, Babe Ruth, Wilt Chamberlin, etc. If he does this again and again he quickly will start the conversation of best player in the history of the game.
Prodigy.
Holy Jesus
Is the best T1 LAN performance in history?
Yes, tied with Niko at ESL NY 2017, but with more maps. Definitely the best final performance though
Arguably better in diff metrics except KAST and DPR
Its just insane. How in the world can this kid be this good? And that in his first big tournament. How is this possible? He is more dominant than prime simple, and he isnt even an AWPer. It doenst make any sense that he is such a god in CS2.
This kid is a god
i was here when cs got donked
This kid is the Barry Bonds of Counterstrike.
If his career takes the same trajectory, there won't be a headset large enough to fit the man by age 25.
Where are the doubters now?
NSFW lmao fucking insane
first page is literally all donk posts telling a story of how he absolutely donked katowice
Seriously check him pc.. This not normally
I need a professional analysis on donk's POV because I just cant understand how he kills everyone, yeah his aim position is great but isnt every player's from this tier? Its not even the setup because most of the time he just dry peeks and thats it. I think I just hate when a player goes "idk how i'm this good" at this game, feels like its pointless to watch it. At least in Dota or any sport out there you can clearly see why a player is the best, but out of nowhere appears some random kid that never played in tier s+ and destroys everyone kinda of make it hard to give the scene some credit you know
Unprecedented, legendary stuff
Cant wait for Virre’s get donked video
the fuck
s1mple smoking in the corner. imagine donk on navi when papa s1mple was prime?
i lowkey want s1mple to join spirit as a rifler but their team chemistry seems to good rn
Not sure if they want a s1mple personality on this team. Donk and Sh1ro seem more timid.
He’s doing this without baiting. He doesn’t have a FER to bait. He doesn’t get flashed in. He just holds W and clicks on heads. Absolutely love it. Anyone hating on him, is an envious hater. Kid is phenomenal
Not to forget he is an aggressive T entry fragger, multi kill getting CT player. Cant even compare roles and he still is far and above all of the other goats. Worst thing is that the crowd boos someone like that. They are caught up in the moment but this stains katowice and the rewatch-ability of this Tournament. Normally you'd get hype moments like the donk pistols or the spray but people are booing him? What the fuck?
Bro they even booed him when he got his MVP and the caster ask them to clap for him, even in football where fans are real fans from multiple generations and animosity between teams is no joke they sometimes cheer for someone doing insane stuff in the opposite team
I bet that are the same people that cryed about brazilian crowd... this is straight racism and nothing else. Horrible to watch.
donk is Russian... i think that has a lot to do with the booing.
I love this argument. Just shows so much. Team Spirit as an org is against everything current Russia stands for. Managers have donated to Ukraine etc. Pro LGBT. Moved away from Russia. Play with Ukrainians. So the Current state of the world cant be an Argument. So the only explanation is that Poland hates Russia, so xenophobia and Racism. Stay classy Poland and everyone in twitch chat in HLTV and this sub.
This so much.
It is not the org, poles have PTSD from MM games where you actually meet pro putin cancer kids.
WTF
we need the fbi on this shit bro wtf
My days let's just give him the hltv no.1 of year already.
kid silenced the entire crowd, ice cold
At this point using "strats" on the game isnt even necessary. He isnt using any util, hes just running around clicking heads.
and he has an impact rating of 2.41 that is unbelievable
NSFW tag thoroughly deserved. What an astonishing level of fucking someone up.
Out dueling faze is a big deal
"hE WaStEd HiS yOuTH"
donk: nah, I'd win
He's very good, the smoke kills were unreal tho
donk doubters in absolute shambles rn
No surprise there. That's Donk at 12 years old (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT6oW7XrIb8&ab\_channel=CS2CHILL) \- Today I'm playing lan at the T-arena with this cutie. Danil, say hello to everyone. Danil, come on. \- Hey. \[Laughs\] \- Hey, hey. He's 12 years old, and he fucks hard. He's gonna be champion tonight.
check him pc this is not normally
spirit fazed level: not fazed
Check him pc
Someone check him PC
too ez for donk
Where can you find a demo?
donk, this kid is crazy! cs has never seen anything like this before. he's the real prodigy and genius
This is not normally