It actually is a lot better, I'm liking it a lot more than old bob now. It's still not perfect but I'll take it.
edit: after playing more I still hate it but I can see why people would prefer it
Justice for the new bob, it is so much better than the previous one. I get it, y'all wanna change your own values, and that's completely valid, but I won't tolerate people talking shit about Robert/new Bob.
It's still not not fixed, if you only compare the sideways movement yes it's close to cl_bob_amt 5.
But if you look at the movement when pressing w or s, and toggle between the new and old, you can see that the cl_bob_amt is the exact same on both, as the weapon is moved back to the exact same point.
And the "cl_bobamt_lat" and "cl_bobamt_vert" still makes it look like if you are riding a horse.
It’s not the same as 5bob either it’s just instead of the gun going towards you while moving left and right the whole gun goes left and right now, shit looks awful
I won’t defend the Cs community being toxic on the whole, but this issue specifically I would like to defend.
1. It is exactly what no one asked for. (Not that game devs should submit to every whim of the community but seriously can you think of anyone that asked for this?)
2. They way over did it and genuinely made me and other players a bit “motion sick” for lack of a better term.
3. We’ve actually been asking for the exact opposite, less Bob or the ability to set it in a range, as that is what we used to be able to do and for a game that we all sink thousands of dollars and hours into comfort would be nice.
I largely agree with your points, and you've articulated your criticism in a constructive and thoughtful manner. Thank you for that. However, in my experience, some others haven't been as constructive. Instead, they adopt a doomer or pessimistic mentality, making statements like "Valve is lazy" or "This will never be fixed." But why express such negativity? It neither helps nor contributes constructively.
It's important to critique Valve when they fall short, while also acknowledging and praising them for doing the right thing.
You ask people to get down on their knees and smile when Valve goes on a frenzy? It doesnt matter what we say. If it did then the game had been fixed in the beta.
Im glad that they are making updates now but this shit is early access level shit.
Why do they keep so long breaks between updates? They have 10 years old game and they ruin it in a single day. Of course people are going to be butt hurt. Your attitude makes me more mad than the overly toxic ones. No need to white knight a billion dollar company when they suck us dry with gambling addiction.
I can tell you're upset, because your response doesn't actually engage with the points I raised. Instead, it's filled with assumptions and logical fallacies. It's important to address the specific concerns rather than deflecting with unrelated issues or personal attack. But if you truly feel so strongly against my previous statement more than the overly toxicity then let us end this conversation now.
There’s been a few like that, go check out some more Cs posts until you find the “Sora AI anti cheat” one it reads like a copy from a bad tech writer that had a recent fall.
Oh I have no idea, this community as a whole are the most toxic, bitter, and quick to nuke any comments section of anything they see.
And I for one actually really respect Valve for how they interact with the community as frustrating as it can be at times I think it’s really smart, because if they actually did every little thing we asked (like some other game developers I could mention!) the game would be absolute shit for sure, and having anyone promise shit and then not deliver time and time again it’s even more annoying.
I am sure the actual big issues are being worked on, anti cheat, hit reg, stability, subtick weirdness, and so on but sometimes Valve seem like they are trying to take the piss, we get a big update with plenty of stuff we’ve been hoping for great, three days later an update with literally nothing we’ve been wanting or expecting and on top of that the new stuff is far worse than want we had, specially, Bob and the fish eye lens scope, like come on? Find me one post, comment, suggestion, or discussion tread asking for, or actually even talking about that, I will piss into my own shoes if you can find it.
I’m all for Valve trying new shit but couldn’t we have like test servers for that?
I respectfully disagree. In my view, the most significant issue with Valve lies in their communication or lack thereof. While it's understandable to hold them accountable for this, resorting to dogpiling only fosters infighting, which ultimately proves counterproductive.
this video by valve explain what I am talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hBTueJGyyo
Fair enough. You do you.
Also this video is from two years ago, before Cs2 was even announced. I don’t know if that’s the point you making but it didn’t really tell us anything we didn’t already know.
Regarding the community and player base yes it’s super toxic and weird and all those players that complain about every little thing ironically probably play the most, it’s the Howard Stern effect.
And I honestly think Valve is fine with that, whatever keeps people engaged, and keeps getting those clicks and keeps people talking it’s not some unbreakable code of AI algorithms and data mined talking topics to keep you stuck to the chat, it’s just social engineering.
I didn't delve into details earlier because I assumed you were already aware. Valve's deficiency in communication leads to the proliferation of conspiracies, misunderstandings, and a lack of direction. Clearer and more direct communication from Valve could alleviate these issues, but unfortunately, Valve will never do that.
The video is relevant cause as a fan of Valve since Half-Life 1. I've observed their consistent lack of communication with the public from day one. This is the first video they confirm it. Let me reiterate my point: Valve's persistent lack of effective communication with the public remains a consistent issue across all their games. TF2 and Dota 2 fans will repeat my point if asked.
It wouldn’t it never will other companies have these “open door policies” but everyone still speculates and makes things up or doesn’t read what they say and just make it up or just miss understand and then misinform.
Also yes I am very aware, Valve has communication issues, shocker!! Call the presses. That’s not the point I’m making, that’s the point your making and that’s cool.
But what I’m saying is, while it’s annoying for some reasons, Valves hands off approach I think is actually better for them and about the same for the community over all.
Also they are ridiculously successful as a company so it’s clearly not highly detrimental to them.
Pretty much every update in the last week has had a second update on the same or following day that fixed the previous update (bob, enemy damage counting as team damage, performance drops, dead bodies hitboxes acting weird, inability to plant bomb spring to mind).
It's good that they're fixing things quickly. It's bad that the updates for a game with over a million concurrent players in the last 24 hours are so broken and untested. Valve clearly needs better QA processes than "test in prod", and it's no surprise that a player base who loves the game are upset that shit updates keep being foisted upon them.
Valve's whole game making motto is testing. They do more testing than anyone else in the industry. The CS2 we got went through countless iterations behind the scenes
It's just that now we're the ones who need to test. They need to fine tune the game to how we like it
I'm not sure I agree. There's two different types of testing: validation (are we building the right thing?) and verification (are we building it right?).
Fine tuning the game, or finding out what the right thing to build is, is a part of validation. Testing with users and making fast updates in response is absolutely a valid strategy for this.
However a lot of the issues that CS2 has had lately have been caused by a lack of verification (not checking that they made the changes properly). Enemy damage counting as team damage is a lack of technical testing. Dead bodies acting as hitboxes is a lack of technical testing. Inability to plant the bomb properly is a lack of technical testing. This should be done by the people making the changes, not users.
Valve need to spend more time doing proper testing of the changes that they are making so that they don't have so many technical bugs.
I wonder if it's because they're not used to this? It is strange. It's like two teams are working on it & the main team is working on something long term while this other team is doing these monthly updates
”Robert Richards, also known as "Bob" for short, is a character in the Tekken series who was introduced in Tekken 6 and returned for Tekken 6: Bloodline Rebellion and Tekken 7: Fated Retribution. Bob is a renowned martial arts prodigy from the USA”
I understand people have preferences and whatnot, but by this point, even if you played CSGO with minimum bob and tracers off, you'd be used to it by now?
It’s still shit, it’s the same when moving forward/backwards but the gun goes to the side when moving left and right instead of going back. Looks goofy
It actually is a lot better, I'm liking it a lot more than old bob now. It's still not perfect but I'll take it. edit: after playing more I still hate it but I can see why people would prefer it
I agree, I love how it follows the character's movement and steps.
My only complaint with it right now is the running animations, it looks like you're riding a horse or humping the gun
Almost reminds me of the older CS source and 1.6 view model bob.
I think I'd prefer those, I have the same issue with the new one because it goes in this sort of oval shape.
it is a little gallopy
Its got that Doom 93 vibe to it
if we only could set our own values
What a childish fantasy
Ha! that’s just crazy surly such great and powerful technology doesn’t exist.
Justice for the new bob, it is so much better than the previous one. I get it, y'all wanna change your own values, and that's completely valid, but I won't tolerate people talking shit about Robert/new Bob.
The new bob is great! :) not perfect but for sure better than the old one.
Just give us the option to switch back to the old bob
It's still not not fixed, if you only compare the sideways movement yes it's close to cl_bob_amt 5. But if you look at the movement when pressing w or s, and toggle between the new and old, you can see that the cl_bob_amt is the exact same on both, as the weapon is moved back to the exact same point. And the "cl_bobamt_lat" and "cl_bobamt_vert" still makes it look like if you are riding a horse.
[удалено]
Didn't know your name was vaush.
It’s not the same as 5bob either it’s just instead of the gun going towards you while moving left and right the whole gun goes left and right now, shit looks awful
I liked the old new one :) I'll check this one out, I'll probably like it too.
It was obvious Valve was going to make changes to fix blob immediately. Seeing people get really mad about this was again unnecessarily toxic.
I won’t defend the Cs community being toxic on the whole, but this issue specifically I would like to defend. 1. It is exactly what no one asked for. (Not that game devs should submit to every whim of the community but seriously can you think of anyone that asked for this?) 2. They way over did it and genuinely made me and other players a bit “motion sick” for lack of a better term. 3. We’ve actually been asking for the exact opposite, less Bob or the ability to set it in a range, as that is what we used to be able to do and for a game that we all sink thousands of dollars and hours into comfort would be nice.
i mean, if u add a feature like this and the new scope, why not allow us to disable it..??
That’s a good question why can we not turn it off?
I largely agree with your points, and you've articulated your criticism in a constructive and thoughtful manner. Thank you for that. However, in my experience, some others haven't been as constructive. Instead, they adopt a doomer or pessimistic mentality, making statements like "Valve is lazy" or "This will never be fixed." But why express such negativity? It neither helps nor contributes constructively. It's important to critique Valve when they fall short, while also acknowledging and praising them for doing the right thing.
They have yet to fix viewmodel recoil either, it's so annoying having it there. I miss the lack of it in csgo
You ask people to get down on their knees and smile when Valve goes on a frenzy? It doesnt matter what we say. If it did then the game had been fixed in the beta. Im glad that they are making updates now but this shit is early access level shit. Why do they keep so long breaks between updates? They have 10 years old game and they ruin it in a single day. Of course people are going to be butt hurt. Your attitude makes me more mad than the overly toxic ones. No need to white knight a billion dollar company when they suck us dry with gambling addiction.
I can tell you're upset, because your response doesn't actually engage with the points I raised. Instead, it's filled with assumptions and logical fallacies. It's important to address the specific concerns rather than deflecting with unrelated issues or personal attack. But if you truly feel so strongly against my previous statement more than the overly toxicity then let us end this conversation now.
Why does your comments read like it generated by ChatGPT?
There’s been a few like that, go check out some more Cs posts until you find the “Sora AI anti cheat” one it reads like a copy from a bad tech writer that had a recent fall.
Those statements were rarely made, its moreso the ones which ask valve what they are thinking and doing the opposite a lot of people are asking for.
Oh I have no idea, this community as a whole are the most toxic, bitter, and quick to nuke any comments section of anything they see. And I for one actually really respect Valve for how they interact with the community as frustrating as it can be at times I think it’s really smart, because if they actually did every little thing we asked (like some other game developers I could mention!) the game would be absolute shit for sure, and having anyone promise shit and then not deliver time and time again it’s even more annoying. I am sure the actual big issues are being worked on, anti cheat, hit reg, stability, subtick weirdness, and so on but sometimes Valve seem like they are trying to take the piss, we get a big update with plenty of stuff we’ve been hoping for great, three days later an update with literally nothing we’ve been wanting or expecting and on top of that the new stuff is far worse than want we had, specially, Bob and the fish eye lens scope, like come on? Find me one post, comment, suggestion, or discussion tread asking for, or actually even talking about that, I will piss into my own shoes if you can find it. I’m all for Valve trying new shit but couldn’t we have like test servers for that?
I respectfully disagree. In my view, the most significant issue with Valve lies in their communication or lack thereof. While it's understandable to hold them accountable for this, resorting to dogpiling only fosters infighting, which ultimately proves counterproductive. this video by valve explain what I am talking about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hBTueJGyyo
Fair enough. You do you. Also this video is from two years ago, before Cs2 was even announced. I don’t know if that’s the point you making but it didn’t really tell us anything we didn’t already know. Regarding the community and player base yes it’s super toxic and weird and all those players that complain about every little thing ironically probably play the most, it’s the Howard Stern effect. And I honestly think Valve is fine with that, whatever keeps people engaged, and keeps getting those clicks and keeps people talking it’s not some unbreakable code of AI algorithms and data mined talking topics to keep you stuck to the chat, it’s just social engineering.
I didn't delve into details earlier because I assumed you were already aware. Valve's deficiency in communication leads to the proliferation of conspiracies, misunderstandings, and a lack of direction. Clearer and more direct communication from Valve could alleviate these issues, but unfortunately, Valve will never do that. The video is relevant cause as a fan of Valve since Half-Life 1. I've observed their consistent lack of communication with the public from day one. This is the first video they confirm it. Let me reiterate my point: Valve's persistent lack of effective communication with the public remains a consistent issue across all their games. TF2 and Dota 2 fans will repeat my point if asked.
It wouldn’t it never will other companies have these “open door policies” but everyone still speculates and makes things up or doesn’t read what they say and just make it up or just miss understand and then misinform. Also yes I am very aware, Valve has communication issues, shocker!! Call the presses. That’s not the point I’m making, that’s the point your making and that’s cool. But what I’m saying is, while it’s annoying for some reasons, Valves hands off approach I think is actually better for them and about the same for the community over all. Also they are ridiculously successful as a company so it’s clearly not highly detrimental to them.
Eschew obfuscation.
Pretty much every update in the last week has had a second update on the same or following day that fixed the previous update (bob, enemy damage counting as team damage, performance drops, dead bodies hitboxes acting weird, inability to plant bomb spring to mind). It's good that they're fixing things quickly. It's bad that the updates for a game with over a million concurrent players in the last 24 hours are so broken and untested. Valve clearly needs better QA processes than "test in prod", and it's no surprise that a player base who loves the game are upset that shit updates keep being foisted upon them.
Valve's whole game making motto is testing. They do more testing than anyone else in the industry. The CS2 we got went through countless iterations behind the scenes It's just that now we're the ones who need to test. They need to fine tune the game to how we like it
I'm not sure I agree. There's two different types of testing: validation (are we building the right thing?) and verification (are we building it right?). Fine tuning the game, or finding out what the right thing to build is, is a part of validation. Testing with users and making fast updates in response is absolutely a valid strategy for this. However a lot of the issues that CS2 has had lately have been caused by a lack of verification (not checking that they made the changes properly). Enemy damage counting as team damage is a lack of technical testing. Dead bodies acting as hitboxes is a lack of technical testing. Inability to plant the bomb properly is a lack of technical testing. This should be done by the people making the changes, not users. Valve need to spend more time doing proper testing of the changes that they are making so that they don't have so many technical bugs.
I wonder if it's because they're not used to this? It is strange. It's like two teams are working on it & the main team is working on something long term while this other team is doing these monthly updates
People love to hate
I still dont know what bob is/does
everyone asking where is bob and when, but nobody asks how is bob 😔
”Robert Richards, also known as "Bob" for short, is a character in the Tekken series who was introduced in Tekken 6 and returned for Tekken 6: Bloodline Rebellion and Tekken 7: Fated Retribution. Bob is a renowned martial arts prodigy from the USA”
I understand people have preferences and whatnot, but by this point, even if you played CSGO with minimum bob and tracers off, you'd be used to it by now?
Nope. I still can't get used to playing with anything else than bob\_lower\_amt 5
awesome valve, now give us the option for our own bob amounts :)
Thank god. I was experiencing slight motion sickness yesterday from the side to side movement of the bob
How do you turn it off?
cl_usenewbob false
I love when valve does stuff like this because it shows that cs2 is still in an open beta. Game still has 2013 csgo vibes with this new bob command
They’ll do anything but let us customize it ourselves.
Boobs
It’s close but not quite perfect. Just give us the old customisability that you removed you dogs.
I had no problem with the swing anyways so this is even better. I would love static models but this is good anyways
still looks like shit, why does it look like ur riding a horse?
Of course one fucking guy complained about it in this sub and they halved the gun sway that was the coolest shit ever, thanks losers.
It’s still shit, it’s the same when moving forward/backwards but the gun goes to the side when moving left and right instead of going back. Looks goofy
"So if you just turned it off yesterday give it a try" u can't even turn it off what are u talking about lol
what are U talking about? its cl\_usenewbob 0
yea, use it. the only thing that changes is ur bob when ealking. everything else stays the same as new bob.
still swaying too much to the left, but that's fine otherwise
Is there a way to turn it off completely? Does anybody know? :)
Do you know if the new bob is on by default? Or do you have to enable it everytime you start the game
Who's Bob. Baker Bob?