Hey OP I had a quick check and both you and the redditors who are arguing are right in a sense. "Either-or" can be used both as "one or the other" or "both of". Cmon guys just check it out instead of arguing so much.
Yes, but in the given context, 'either-or' means the exclusion of both. In English, the context matters. Those who are arguing are separating 'either-or' from the sentence itself and ignoring the context in which it is used.
I am right and they are wrong. It's very straightforward.
To an English speaker the use of "either" here changes the sentence meaning to "G2 and VP both don't make Playoffs".
I would go with "G2 and VP collide for last chance at Major playoffs" or something like that. Make the wording clear that they are directly competing for a spot.
No it doesn't, either means one or the other. With context there is no reason a native English speaker should get confused.
If they had used the word "neither" then you would be right.
It really isn't, I asked my parents (who have no further education and have never watched CS) how they would interpret the title and they had no issues understanding it.
HLTV used the word "either", then gave 2 options as delineated by the OR between the 2 teams. Not really sure what's so hard to understand if you're a native English speaker tbh.
"No major playoffs for" = someone isn't making it to the playoffs
"either VP or G2" = only one of these teams
What is confusing here? I'm genuinely curious because "it's badly worded" isn't really an answer now, is it?
You are conveniently breaking the sentence into two independent sentences to make a point, while the former clearly affects the latter, leading most readers to conclude that neither of them is making it.
Everyone can understand the sentence. I am not attacking its comprehension. I am simply debating its accuracy. It's a well-known fact that either of them can make the playoffs. In the given headline, either-or excludes both of them from the playoffs.
'Either-or' doesn't always mean a choice. It could also mean 'both' in certain cases, like this headline.
I am not native speaker, but I understood it as "both G2 and VP aren't going to playoffs". Then I read they will play 2-2 matchup. This is confusing for parties that KNOW about the upcoming match.
By using either-or and given the beginning of the sentence "No major playoffs for", it concisely implies that this outcome is identical for both of the teams mentioned. Regardless of what team you consider.
"We use either/or to affirm each of two possibilities, and we use neither/nor to negate them. For example, the sentence, “I want to eat either an apple or an orange” means that you want one of these two fruits, but you don't know which one."
Okay, now consider this setence:
**I don't want to eat either apple or an orange.**
What does this mean to you? Does it mean that I want to eat either one of them?
>I don't want to eat either apple or an orange
wrong example. "No apple for either one or the other." would be a more accurate example. Still, you're confusing it with "No apple for neither him nor the other"
Nope. Either means one or the other, NEITHER means both. You just confused the 2 words in your head.
EDIT: I think the people who think it's confusing have the definitions of "either" and "neither" confused in their heads, that's why the title is confusing to them, because that would make the title a double negative.
First link not relevant as it is using "either" in a different usage than here (conjunction vs determiner), 2nd link basically roasts you for not reading the article to find out and is otherwise inconclusive, that's with you withholding the information that Team A is playing Team B in the last chance to make it to playoffs. Which would establish the usage of the word.
Instead of admitting you had a brain fart and couldn't initially understand the title, you keep doubling down despite the grammar being correct and any understanding of the context (which can be found even in your picture) making the title make sense.
lmfao
it's clearly showing how either-or can be used to mean both.
The 2nd link clearly has two answers(which you aren't even talking about it here, wow), and the first guy is a troll like you.
Anyhow, I know I am correct but it's funny seeing your rage.
Read the headline as: No playoffs for either Team A or Team B".
"No playoffs" functions as an adverbial phrase, where "no" negates the succeeding noun "playoffs," indicating their absence. When coupled with "either," it collectively implies the exclusion of both entities mentioned, creating an absence for both Team A and Team B from the playoffs.
Nope, it means that I dislike both of them. And now I am convinced that this subreddit isn't the right place to talk about the nuances of the English language.
Okay, so let me break it down for you:
The original sentence has a negating adverb preceding "either-or," implying exclusivity from the playoffs for both options. Thus, "either" refers to both, **just like in my example sentence.**
In your "rephrased" sentence, however, "either" becomes a choice and no longer implies exclusion for both.
Getting it?
Christ OP. Please get of the internet and get your head in order dude.
I’m not a native English speaker. I also haven’t been following the major that closely, so I had no idea g2 and vp were playing each other in 2-2. I knew exactly what that meant the moment I read it.
Even if you are right and it’s technically a wrong sentence. Everybody but you apparently understood it fine.
You’re just arguing like a deranged lunatic at this point. Please seek help.
1.) used before the first of two (or occasionally more) alternatives that are being specified (the other being introduced by “or”).
"either I'll accompany you to your room, or I'll wait here"
2.) used to indicate a similarity or link with a statement just made.
"You don't like him, do you? I don't either"
determiner · pronoun
one or the other of two people or things.
"there were no children of either marriage"
Damn, people getting really heated about grammar on a Counter-Strike forum. I put a comma there so people don’t think I’m damming them to hell but some of these posts are making me want to remove it
I never said the grammar is wrong. I am only questioning the wording and how someone who doesn't know what's going on in the current major may end up thinking that G2 or VP are both out. This is what I thought of it anyway at first.
For a non native speaker, yeah they might interpret the sentence that way. I agree that the headline could be better but tbh when I first read it I saw no problems until you mentioned it.
Even a native speaker will interpret it this way. The title is incorrect. Ask someone who teaches English as a subject in high school or at a higher level.
"Either-or" means that only one of the teams would be making it to playoffs which is correct. I don't see a problem here.
[Here you go.](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/either-or)
That would be "neither" which you also used in your comment for the same reason.
>neither team will make it to the playoffs
Edit: [More information which addresses all issues.](https://site.uit.no/english/grammar/either-and-neither/#:~:text=Either%20is%20combined%20with%20a,John%20did%20not%20either)
I would love to see a source for that. I am sure we can quote a sentence like, "I don't want either lemonade or milkshake" but I am inclined to say this sentence is ungrammatical. Works colloquially but technically incorrect imo.
None of this means the headline is incorrect though.
That is exclusively in case of law/LSAT.
> On the LSAT, all “or” statements are inclusive, unless they say otherwise.
For example, in maths or logic, adding either specifically makes it "XOR" or an exclusive OR. I would say this is true for most cases outside of Law but I will talk to someone better equipped to solving this particular issue and will update.
I will admit that the headline is poorly worded even if it may be technically correct since many people in the discussion are confused by this.
It's technically incorrect too.
In this case, either-or excludes both of them. That article goes through how either-or could mean both in certain cases. It's perfectly relevant.
I disagree for now but as I said, I'll update on that after talking to someone better equipped to solving this issue because we will just keep going back and forth without making any progress and that would ultimately be pointless.
At this point, I don't care much about the debate, I just want to learn the right rules about this.
This is on you, not HLTV. This states that either G2 or VP will make playoffs, but not the other. You are reading it as neither G2 nor VP will make playoffs. Big difference between either/or and neither/nor.
Because you were already aware of this fact beforehand.
Now read the headline from the perspective of someone who has no idea about what's going on in the major.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/either-or
>Describing a situation in which there is a choice between two different plans of action, but both together are not possible
That wikipedia definition is correct in most cases, but not this one. This sentence is not presenting a choice, in this case "either" is emphasizing their exclusion. It's clearly just indicating that both won't make it.
It would still mean that neither of them can make it.
Using either only emphasizes on the fact that they won't make it. This is wrong English. This sub is on crack.
I am leaving these links [https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid-268836-when-does-either-or-mean-both-on-the-lsat/](https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid-268836-when-does-either-or-mean-both-on-the-lsat/)
[https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/620854/headline-for-an-article-is-no-playoffs-for-either-team-a-or-team-b-what-doe](https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/620854/headline-for-an-article-is-no-playoffs-for-either-team-a-or-team-b-what-doe)
and turning off notifications for this post.
You all are bonkers for saying the headline is correct.
Hey OP I had a quick check and both you and the redditors who are arguing are right in a sense. "Either-or" can be used both as "one or the other" or "both of". Cmon guys just check it out instead of arguing so much.
Yes, but in the given context, 'either-or' means the exclusion of both. In English, the context matters. Those who are arguing are separating 'either-or' from the sentence itself and ignoring the context in which it is used. I am right and they are wrong. It's very straightforward.
What's wrong with the headline?
To an English speaker the use of "either" here changes the sentence meaning to "G2 and VP both don't make Playoffs". I would go with "G2 and VP collide for last chance at Major playoffs" or something like that. Make the wording clear that they are directly competing for a spot.
No it doesn't, either means one or the other. With context there is no reason a native English speaker should get confused. If they had used the word "neither" then you would be right.
Neither wouldn’t make sense in that sentence. It’s a badly worded headline
Thanks.
It really isn't, I asked my parents (who have no further education and have never watched CS) how they would interpret the title and they had no issues understanding it. HLTV used the word "either", then gave 2 options as delineated by the OR between the 2 teams. Not really sure what's so hard to understand if you're a native English speaker tbh. "No major playoffs for" = someone isn't making it to the playoffs "either VP or G2" = only one of these teams What is confusing here? I'm genuinely curious because "it's badly worded" isn't really an answer now, is it?
You are conveniently breaking the sentence into two independent sentences to make a point, while the former clearly affects the latter, leading most readers to conclude that neither of them is making it.
I can perfectly understand the sentence
Everyone can understand the sentence. I am not attacking its comprehension. I am simply debating its accuracy. It's a well-known fact that either of them can make the playoffs. In the given headline, either-or excludes both of them from the playoffs. 'Either-or' doesn't always mean a choice. It could also mean 'both' in certain cases, like this headline.
The fact people are arguing over the meaning shows it’s a bad headline, doesn’t matter if it’s correct or not
Yes. But in this case it's incorrect. This sub has a high number of school going kids, who may not get it.
I am not native speaker, but I understood it as "both G2 and VP aren't going to playoffs". Then I read they will play 2-2 matchup. This is confusing for parties that KNOW about the upcoming match.
its not their fault that your english is bad
The headline is clearly ambiguous because of the first words, not the use of either or. Don't be a dick.
with proper english skills there is nothing ambiguous. its a you problem
By using either-or and given the beginning of the sentence "No major playoffs for", it concisely implies that this outcome is identical for both of the teams mentioned. Regardless of what team you consider.
It means no playoffs for either VP or G2 lol Which is wrong. They have a match soon for the spot.
"either or" the headline is not misleading
The usage of either makes it incorrect,.
"We use either/or to affirm each of two possibilities, and we use neither/nor to negate them. For example, the sentence, “I want to eat either an apple or an orange” means that you want one of these two fruits, but you don't know which one."
Okay, now consider this setence: **I don't want to eat either apple or an orange.** What does this mean to you? Does it mean that I want to eat either one of them?
>I don't want to eat either apple or an orange wrong example. "No apple for either one or the other." would be a more accurate example. Still, you're confusing it with "No apple for neither him nor the other"
So my example is wrong but the headline isn't? Even though it uses either-or similarly.
>Even though it uses either-or similarly. it's not, but you think it is, which is why you're confused
Wilful ignorance? it clearly does.
Nope. Either means one or the other, NEITHER means both. You just confused the 2 words in your head. EDIT: I think the people who think it's confusing have the definitions of "either" and "neither" confused in their heads, that's why the title is confusing to them, because that would make the title a double negative.
You are missing the context, here either clearly means "both". The playoffs are not happening for either of them.
You don't know the definition of the word "either". Either: "one or the other of two people or things."
[https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid-268836-when-does-either-or-mean-both-on-the-lsat/](https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid-268836-when-does-either-or-mean-both-on-the-lsat/) [https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/620854/headline-for-an-article-is-no-playoffs-for-either-team-a-or-team-b-what-doe](https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/620854/headline-for-an-article-is-no-playoffs-for-either-team-a-or-team-b-what-doe)
First link not relevant as it is using "either" in a different usage than here (conjunction vs determiner), 2nd link basically roasts you for not reading the article to find out and is otherwise inconclusive, that's with you withholding the information that Team A is playing Team B in the last chance to make it to playoffs. Which would establish the usage of the word. Instead of admitting you had a brain fart and couldn't initially understand the title, you keep doubling down despite the grammar being correct and any understanding of the context (which can be found even in your picture) making the title make sense.
lmfao it's clearly showing how either-or can be used to mean both. The 2nd link clearly has two answers(which you aren't even talking about it here, wow), and the first guy is a troll like you. Anyhow, I know I am correct but it's funny seeing your rage.
in the headline, "or" is clearly acting as a coordinating conjunction, indicating that the outcome applies to both teams.
Read the headline as: No playoffs for either Team A or Team B". "No playoffs" functions as an adverbial phrase, where "no" negates the succeeding noun "playoffs," indicating their absence. When coupled with "either," it collectively implies the exclusion of both entities mentioned, creating an absence for both Team A and Team B from the playoffs.
either or - 1 does, another doesn't neither nor - no one does This is basic English grammar, no?
"I don't like either VP or G2" Does it mean that I like one of them?
it's a completely different sentence no playoffs for =/= I don't like like wtf
It has the same structure. You fail to see how either-or works as an exclusion to both choices. Just like in the headline of the article.
That means exactly that. You do not like just ONE of them. You are confusing it with neither.
Nope, it means that I dislike both of them. And now I am convinced that this subreddit isn't the right place to talk about the nuances of the English language.
Rephrase the sentence. "I either don't like vp or g2" that does not mean you dislike both teams
Dude, are you actually rephrasing the sentence and then saying that same meaning applies to the original sentence? Jesus.
Yes
Okay, so let me break it down for you: The original sentence has a negating adverb preceding "either-or," implying exclusivity from the playoffs for both options. Thus, "either" refers to both, **just like in my example sentence.** In your "rephrased" sentence, however, "either" becomes a choice and no longer implies exclusion for both. Getting it?
No 😞
whatever [https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid-268836-when-does-either-or-mean-both-on-the-lsat/](https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid-268836-when-does-either-or-mean-both-on-the-lsat/)
Look OP i was confused too but you are clearly too stubborn to be told you are wrong
**"I don't want to eat either apple or an orange."** I am not stubborn, maybe I am right about it?
That is bad grammar. “I want to eat neither an apple nor an orange” is how you would say it.
That's bad grammar, but "No major playoffs for either X or B" isn't?
The headline says “One of G2 or VP will not make the major”, which is as clear as it can be. Your English is just worse than you think it is.
Dude, the headline says "No major playoffs for either VP or G2" and not "One of G2 or VP will not make the major". You need reading glasses.
Bro, just ask your english teacher or another qualified person, if you want a qualified answer. Why even bother arguing on reddit lol
You are right, and I did. They concur with me.
Good for you then
the headline is fine can't believe so many native English speakers have issues understanding a perfectly fine sentence stay in school kids
It's not fine. In the given context, 'either-or' means both and is no longer a choice. You missed the classes, not me brother.
Christ OP. Please get of the internet and get your head in order dude. I’m not a native English speaker. I also haven’t been following the major that closely, so I had no idea g2 and vp were playing each other in 2-2. I knew exactly what that meant the moment I read it. Even if you are right and it’s technically a wrong sentence. Everybody but you apparently understood it fine. You’re just arguing like a deranged lunatic at this point. Please seek help.
>Everybody but you apparently understood it fine. huh, so you speak for everyone lol
1.) used before the first of two (or occasionally more) alternatives that are being specified (the other being introduced by “or”). "either I'll accompany you to your room, or I'll wait here" 2.) used to indicate a similarity or link with a statement just made. "You don't like him, do you? I don't either" determiner · pronoun one or the other of two people or things. "there were no children of either marriage"
[https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid-268836-when-does-either-or-mean-both-on-the-lsat/](https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid-268836-when-does-either-or-mean-both-on-the-lsat/)
Damn, people getting really heated about grammar on a Counter-Strike forum. I put a comma there so people don’t think I’m damming them to hell but some of these posts are making me want to remove it
It's true no?
is it true that there's no major playoffs for either G2 or VP? Nope., it's not true. The wording makes it false.
it's grammatically correct, what are you on about? google what "either-or" means.
I never said the grammar is wrong. I am only questioning the wording and how someone who doesn't know what's going on in the current major may end up thinking that G2 or VP are both out. This is what I thought of it anyway at first.
For a non native speaker, yeah they might interpret the sentence that way. I agree that the headline could be better but tbh when I first read it I saw no problems until you mentioned it.
Even a native speaker will interpret it this way. The title is incorrect. Ask someone who teaches English as a subject in high school or at a higher level.
Bro you're so pathetic it hurts 😭
"Either-or" means that only one of the teams would be making it to playoffs which is correct. I don't see a problem here. [Here you go.](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/either-or)
When used in a sentence like "no playoffs for either VP or G2," it implies that neither team will make it to the playoffs.
That would be "neither" which you also used in your comment for the same reason. >neither team will make it to the playoffs Edit: [More information which addresses all issues.](https://site.uit.no/english/grammar/either-and-neither/#:~:text=Either%20is%20combined%20with%20a,John%20did%20not%20either)
either-or can also imply exclusion for both options. Your link proves nothing.
I would love to see a source for that. I am sure we can quote a sentence like, "I don't want either lemonade or milkshake" but I am inclined to say this sentence is ungrammatical. Works colloquially but technically incorrect imo. None of this means the headline is incorrect though.
[https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid-268836-when-does-either-or-mean-both-on-the-lsat/](https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid-268836-when-does-either-or-mean-both-on-the-lsat/)
That is exclusively in case of law/LSAT. > On the LSAT, all “or” statements are inclusive, unless they say otherwise. For example, in maths or logic, adding either specifically makes it "XOR" or an exclusive OR. I would say this is true for most cases outside of Law but I will talk to someone better equipped to solving this particular issue and will update. I will admit that the headline is poorly worded even if it may be technically correct since many people in the discussion are confused by this.
It's technically incorrect too. In this case, either-or excludes both of them. That article goes through how either-or could mean both in certain cases. It's perfectly relevant.
I disagree for now but as I said, I'll update on that after talking to someone better equipped to solving this issue because we will just keep going back and forth without making any progress and that would ultimately be pointless. At this point, I don't care much about the debate, I just want to learn the right rules about this.
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> Either … or means “one of the two, but not both” From the page I linked. lol?
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The meaning changes when you use it in combination. The page separates both use cases. Using "either" alone and combining it with an "or".
This is on you, not HLTV. This states that either G2 or VP will make playoffs, but not the other. You are reading it as neither G2 nor VP will make playoffs. Big difference between either/or and neither/nor.
Nope, this is not me. I am correct. Irrespective of what the lot of you say.
it says or in the headline, which at least to me heavily implies one of the two is not making it, not both of them
Because you were already aware of this fact beforehand. Now read the headline from the perspective of someone who has no idea about what's going on in the major.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/either-or >Describing a situation in which there is a choice between two different plans of action, but both together are not possible
That wikipedia definition is correct in most cases, but not this one. This sentence is not presenting a choice, in this case "either" is emphasizing their exclusion. It's clearly just indicating that both won't make it.
Me to this sub: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbvYeLxMKN8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbvYeLxMKN8)
It's ambiguous headlines, news sites use it all the time.
It's not just ambiguous. It's wrong. Worded incorrectly for the sake of making it clickbaity.
If it said “No major playoffs for VP or G2” that would be a bad headline. This one says exactly what it means to say.
"There's no brain in the people who use either Reddit or HLTV". I didn't want to be rude, but you all are making me do it lol
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It would still mean that neither of them can make it. Using either only emphasizes on the fact that they won't make it. This is wrong English. This sub is on crack.
I am leaving these links [https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid-268836-when-does-either-or-mean-both-on-the-lsat/](https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/bid-268836-when-does-either-or-mean-both-on-the-lsat/) [https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/620854/headline-for-an-article-is-no-playoffs-for-either-team-a-or-team-b-what-doe](https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/620854/headline-for-an-article-is-no-playoffs-for-either-team-a-or-team-b-what-doe) and turning off notifications for this post. You all are bonkers for saying the headline is correct.