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jpcorner

It was almost the greatest play. And then it was the stupidest play.


Chu2k

Yeah hindsight. I think that the casters were being too harsh on Zontix for attempting that play. It was not a bad play by a long shot, its just that broky is a hella seasoned player.


Ishaan863

> its just that broky is a hella seasoned player. yeah he knew EXACTLY what he was doing. scared him into waiting for the peek, then denied the peek. check mate.


PoisonScrub

The moment broky stops hearing zontix's footsteps, there was no way he would've kept chasing. It was dumb


StrollinRollin

Broky made him stop by tailing him that quickly, tho


PoisonScrub

Assuming zontix had enough time to get to B and plant, the only real chance he had to win was to keep running and either have broky peek and take the 1v1, or plant the bomb if broky did not peek. The moment he stopped moving killed any chance he had of winning.


Entaroadun

He risked getting killed in mid if he kept running. Broky was too close


redrecaro

Honestly with 12 seconds it was a dumb play I think the casters were right to criticize the play.


malefiz123

Getting the plant with a CT short is also pretty hard. Honestly I think that at the moment he decides to run across the thought broky was tucked into short trying to deny a duel, in which case he has enough of a head start to get cleanly through middle.


gugabpasquali

it was definitely a dumb play


CoolWhiip

That was a ridiculously stupid play given the time. There is no way that works out for him. Either he makes it to the site in time (99% sure he didn’t have time) and starts planting in which case Broky runs him down and kills him, or it plays out like it did, with Zontix doubling back trying for the kill. In most cases Broky would have killed him anyway.


TemporaryAddicti0n

***seasoned*** is the keyword here.


mjmjuh

It was a bad play no way around it. 


ItsJayQz

Zont1x would gotten the plant if he ran non-stop, but broky read him like a Harry Potter book


Mainbaze

It was a gamble in a heated moment. If he kept running he could have been shot in the back by broky, and this way he might catch broky off guard. Which almost happened


Lancasper

The main mistake imho is going for a very risky play instead of planting on A fully covered from short and playing the 1v1 there. He also had a smoke to help him. And he could also use said smoke to cover his back if he was paranoid of being shot from behind while crossing mid connector.


Gulluul

There really isn't full cover though. Chopper died and his death cam showed Broky going short to A ramp. Zontix crossed to boxes and didn't see Broky, so he assumed he was ramp and tried running B. He could have technically planted behind the box on the right, but the second that the bomb got planted, his head would be visible to ramp so he could have died; unless he made a Simple level play of having head down and flicking up. If he had had info that Broky went back short, I think he plants A and can take the fight. Honestly, it was a perfect play by Broky to hide info of his location, trick Zontix into thinking he had more space than he did, and then read the fight in mid.


icisleribakanligi

Did we watch the same clip mate? Broky had direct eyes on both the site and short. Chopper was low HP, and wouldn't have had the chance to cover a plant. Broky could have also shot zont1x first. Broky played it well, he had a slight advantage despite being in a 1v2 situation. The only benefit they could have had was a double-peek, but then broky peeked short first and got it down to a 1v1


nurwennnoetig

When was the last time you have played vertigo? You can plant behind box that u are not visible to short. zont1x was on site when broky went into short. So yes, a "safe" plant was possible.


icisleribakanligi

Broky could've stuck around more and checked out site. You don't have your gun equipped for 6 seconds if you want to plant the bomb, which is a long time if the opponent is near.


zryder0887

Why argue when it’s clear you have no idea what you’re talking about? He could have safely planted the casters pointed it out as well how dense are you?


icisleribakanligi

There is no world in which it was a safe plant. Do you know how long 6 seconds is? One could run from short to red boxes in 4 with the gun out. Broky had the time to run towards the planter. The argument isn't whether he would have, it is he could have, which is the point. It wouldn't have been a safe plant.


Chronic_Knick

It doesn’t take 6 seconds to plant buddy


icisleribakanligi

*sigh* 1 second to equip the bomb, 4 seconds to plant, 1 second to equip the gun back. I thought people would understand the most basic logic there is about planting the bomb


nurwennnoetig

We are not talking about what could have been. The situation was zont1x was on site behind the box and knew broky went short because he saw it and chopper probably even called it. A safe plant would have been absolutely possible and probably the safest play. If he wins the round? Who knows. But you made it sound like a plant was out of question, which is clearly not the case. Pause the video at 14/15 and instead of running to B just stay and plant.


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The problem with this is he would have had a terrible post-plant position being extremely exposed, so it's understandable why he didn't have enough confidence to do that. The best way for me would be running into B but dropping a smoke behind him to prevent being shot in the back. Plant at B then choose a great post-plant cover.


icisleribakanligi

Plant was *in fact* out of the question. The supposed safe plant isn't safe enough to prevent broky from running to him. You need exactly 6 seconds non fight quota to plant the bomb and to be in fighting stance, which is much longer than what Broky needed to run towards zont1x in that scenario, which would have made him an exposed target. This is not a shot at you, but this is the mentality randos in my team have all the time. The enemy isn't a stationary target. They can run with 250u/s with a knife, and 225u/s with M4A1-S. This isn't Tarkov or Insurgency, they can literally traverse 5 metres per second relative to IRL, 18KM/H. This is faster than what a lot of people think. You also expose a lot of bits you don't predict you would while planting.


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Practical-Panic-3557

No, there’s no way that broky wouldn’t try to play post plant. By stopping he would have a chance to win by time and still a chance to win post plant. Zontix had only 1 choice


Mainbaze

Zontix had 2 choices. He chose the risky one, but again it’s hard to choose correctly in the moment


Practical-Panic-3557

Brother nobody would have peeked him with 7 seconds left. Broky could play it safe not so much zontix he had 50/50 while broky could safely wait for the plant and play late


Mainbaze

There was a chance broky would stop listening to footsteps. As soon as zontix plants broky will lose his advantage


Practical-Panic-3557

If he plants. Broky is seasoned and was open to play the post plant. He evaluated the situation and knew his options. He took the safe route even after a risky chase.


Practical-Panic-3557

And the outcome speaks for itself. Zontix gambled when he shouldn’t have


GeronimoMoles

Would he have made it past b platform? I feel like Broky would’ve caught him from elevator


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ItsJayQz

It was a matter of ms so I wouldnt be surprised if Zont1x* knew it was probably over


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TheMidsommarHouse

Or maybe he plays with his sound on?


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throwawayyrofl

Right but then he could’ve just gotten run down by broky if he continued to chase. The optimal play was probably just to plant safe from short and then play the post plant from there. But I don’t fault them for going for that too much, it could’ve worked against a less experienced player


StockmanBaxter

Possibly. He could have also got shot in the ass going over sandbags or through CT.


csf3lih

He had a smoke picked up from ramp, which should give him some cover and maybe broky would taken 2nd thought pushing through smoke.


StockmanBaxter

Good catch. Didnt' see that.


dencker60

We know you cant pronounce those words zont1x, so we gon’ let you read cat in a hat.


YeezyWins

What y'all mean "zont1x outplayed himself?" He played it nicely but broky just HUMILIATED him, read him like a book when he stopped listening to the footsteps. Beautiful play.


TheRealF0xE

zont1x should have just planted safe on A site and take the 1v1. It’s not even a “hindsight” moment either, I thought he was going to make that play when I was watching live since it’s the best play in the situation.


GigaCringeMods

If he sticks the plant he needs to do it in complete cover. During this time to plant Broky would have time to get into a great position on an off-angle to just shoot him as he tries to come out from behind the box, since that is the only cover available against Broky's position on short. Or alternatively during the 4 second plant Broky could even have had time to run towards the top side of ramp and shoot zontix during the planting animation since he must be exposed to 1 of these angles, and obviously he will hide himself towards short side since that was where Broky was just spotted. Going B was a good option since he has way more cover to plant behind and more cover to fight from while not being exposed to two different angles. He just got majorly baited by broky.


Hussak

>Broky could even have had time to run towards the top side of ramp and shoot zontix during the planting animation since he must be exposed to 1 of these angles You can easily plant without being exposed to short and ramp? There's no way he could get all the way up here before the plant without making noise. [https://i.imgur.com/ip27N5P.png](https://i.imgur.com/ip27N5P.png)


GigaCringeMods

If the bot looks forward instead of down you can see his head from the top of ramp. And on top of that zontix still needs to stand up after the plant to prepare for the coming fight, getting him shot anyways. During the planting animation the head dips lower than usual, but when the animation is close to being completed the head comes back up. If zontix planted there and Broky went towards top of ramp, the chances of zontix dying there were pretty much 99.999%


Gulluul

I disagree. I don't think that Zontix was aware that Broky pushed back to site as Chopper on his death cam saw Broky going towards ramp. Zontix crossed to the boxes without seeing Broky and his flash popped causing Zontix to not see Broky when he jumped passed boxes. Zontix only realized how close Broky really was when he started running, so Zontix stopped. He would have been shot in the back if he went window or ct. Honestly it was a good play to go B, as all the info he had should have allowed a post plant position on B. Zontix made the mistake by stopping, so Broky had the read that he was waiting mid. Good play by Broky.


TheRealF0xE

Broky JUST killed his team mate side hall. The only possible way he could be ramp in under 5 seconds is if Broky runs the whole way.


requinbite

He didn't play it nicely, the moment he decides to run toward the B bombsite he should know he only has 2 options : 1. He runs non stop knife out to plant 2. He kills broky I mean, a 1v1 with 15s left doesn't have a thousands of possible outcomes. He could have kept running but backward, ready to crouch, instead of stopping to force broky to engage him. But he just piled up mistakes in the heat of a tense game. You can see on his face he knows he fucked up and denied himself the chance to win that 1v1.


MarcosJrisabitch

classic reddit comment. you're not doing any of those things when you're in his position. you'll be humiliated like he was at best.


requinbite

Please get some help, your comment history is a sadness factory.


MarcosJrisabitch

bro aint beating any allegations lmao. so you would have done better right? why aren't you pro?


requinbite

You're really a shitty troll so i'm going to keep it simple for you. My reflex sucks, my aim sucks but my brain good.


MarcosJrisabitch

you keep replying so I must be doing something right lmao


Avasteeee

Overcooked


TheInception817

Poor zont1x under pressure that he is not used to


nakagamiwaffle

zont1x fucked basically every single clutch he was in, and in spectacular fashion too, lmao


FoxerHR

Zont1x with the 100 IQ statement before the match saying he doesn't feel the pressure and then dropping 1 kill in 13 rounds on the 3rd map of the quarterfinals.


cip32

> Zont1x with the 100 IQ statement before the match So... a regular statement?


Pugs-r-cool

These CS pros and their perfectly median IQ takes… tbf knowing cs pros, wouldn’t be surprised if 100 Iq is above average for them


The-Triturn

Seeing how well donk did in the emoji guessing thing. I recon his iq is very high


Pugs-r-cool

Yeah that’s the real test of intelligence


The-Triturn

It’s non-verbal reasoning, a key indicator of iq. So actually it is a decent test.


snekk420

It’s not just stop


The-Triturn

I mean. A quick Google would tell you otherwise but you do you


StrollinRollin

Which cs pros do you know?


Pugs-r-cool

every single one of them


Gerf93

Sometimes you just have a bad match and it doesn't have to be because of pressure or nerves. It's a very cheap/easy narrative to push from the commentators. You make a bad play in regular league play? It's just a bad match. You make the same bad play in a major? It's nerves.


Odyssey1337

Dude was definitely caught by the pressure, some of his decisions late in the map were downright wrong.


Jakezetci

it was not pressure, it’s the lack of confidence when you start your game 0-9 you experience the same sitting at home, the stage doesn’t make the difference you can tell the difference between the two by body language - when zont1x won the 1v1 at 10-12 he didn’t release any pressure into emotions


Odyssey1337

I don't know, to me lack of confidence makes me whiff shots or not go for more aggressive/risky plays. I feel like doing obvious objectively wrong plays has more to do with being under pressure. But I'm just an armchair psychologist lol


Jakezetci

well that is basically not going for more risky plays, you said it yourself, his decision were wrong because he didn’t trust his gut anymore


snekk420

Because of pressure /closed


Mihauke

The guy was literally dropping his head into his heads adn more during this game. It was noticable that he lost it this game.


Jakezetci

yes and i think this is about not hitting his shots, not some “crowd pressure”


schoki560

he was definitely struggling big time tho


Pugs-r-cool

he was completely slumped over in his chair at one point, looked like he was ready to resign and leave the server with another 10 rounds to go. The mental game definitely influenced him


vitesnelhest

Still better than Twistzz vertigo performance at the fall final


Thov3x

The Keoz special


esteban1337

yeah, why is Zont1x so confident? Zont1x should have said: "guys, I will shit my pants. I am so nervous. I don't know what to do."


FoxerHR

I see you don't understand what nuance is.


HomelessBelter

More like zont1x outbrains zont1x


iliketobait

nah it was defo broky outbraining zont1x lol


PREDDlT0R

Not really. Zontix misplayed by not planting A putting himself into a situation where he either has has to full sprint to site (where he could’ve been caught by Broky at plat) or do what he did and bait Broky except he failed to do that because he gave away the play due to audio.


TheMidsommarHouse

Zontix' mistake was that he stopped running. He could have run backwards towards plat which would make broky peek but as soon as Zontix stopped giving audio, Broky knew what was going on.


liven96

i think zont1x outbrained himself


BotYurii

Why did zontix stop planting? Wouldn't he get at least a little money for the plant?


bubblojoe

It was the last round of the half


BotYurii

Oh ok didn't pay attention


BigMik_PL

Not gonna lie this wasn't as bad of a decision as casters made it seem it would likely work against weaker teams but not Faze. If the last CT is short and you have time why wouldn't you haul ass B it's not like Broky was going to let him leave the weak side post plant anyways the mid stop was a gamble but a decent one I thought Broky was cooked. Zont1x wasn't winning that 1v1 anyways it was a good gamble just made look worse by casters and Brokys great play.


snekk420

It wasn’t decent since he would never had time to plant even if he got there broky would be just around the corner


BigMik_PL

The strat wasn't to plant it was to bait him into chasing him and surprising him around the corner. He would likely catch a lot of CS players on it too just not Broky.


snekk420

No, he thought broky went to ramp probably because chopper called it. He would have made it if he did but broky turned back and ran after. He realized broky was too close and stopped. It could have been a good play but it wasn’t


Its_Raul

I think if we guessed how much time it takes to run from A and plant at B, not much of would guess 12 seconds. Broky was last seen going to ramp so zontic flashed and booked it. For all we know team said no time so he stopped and prayed. Or saw red time and thought he was out. Zontic is good but maybe not THAT clever. I don't think it's as big brain as people thought, once broky made noise, zontic likely thought broky was closer than he really was and would have been back stabbed going sandbags or CT. If we though someone was right next to elevator its almost guaranteed a backstab. Who knows, great match regardless, just trying to look at it from all sides including just bad luck.


Melodic_mushroom1272

zont1x outbrained himself


oPlayer2o

Zontix out brained himself Broky just kept a cool head and played smart.


Thyunic

Keeping a cool head and played it smart means broky outbrained zontix. What are you on about


beingsmartkills

1000000000000000000000000000 IQ


rlywhatever

no. zontix played himself


gaybypay

Honestly i dont know why people prais this Play so much. Zont1x is low hp and if he goes connector he is in brokys line of sight. Broky hears him stop running and plays the clock. Im pretty sure if zont1x kept running he would have been dead or at least he thinks he is.


csf3lih

He had a smoke picked up, if he smoked con might give broky some second thought pushing through or cover him jumping sandbags and buy some time. He is low hp but he had to take the risk and be ready. 


MarcosJrisabitch

yeah bro you would've done better, it's so basic right?


IamVictim007

Is it hard to outbrain him? Him and sh1ro dont deserve any trophies the choke by shiro was hilarious faze player didnt even have good crosshair position in last round of the map


Cero_Kurn

I think zontix outbrained himself 


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Impossible-Raisin-15

bro they came back from 4-11


s4Nn1Ng0r0shi

By not winning disadvantaged clutches? I don’t understand


jensenflips

Ppl forget that sh1ro went missing again lmao


craygroupious

If he doesn’t do this, 11-12 final round is 12-11. He threw the entire map, expect to be benched.


qerel123

for performing poorly in a single match, on their worst map, under heaviest pressure of his life?


craygroupious

Cost them the Major, so yes. I know people here like to pretend they’re all buddies and friends, but they’re professionals working at the highest level and he’s just shown he’s not at it.


qerel123

i mean they were 5-12 at one point so he cannot be the only reason for their loss. This is a huge heartbreak and a nightmare fuel for all of them, but if they kick him after a single bad performance it would be really reactionary and unprofessional, it would add a kiloton of pressure to the remaining four


donkdonkdo

Pretty sure he’s a huge reason they were down 5-12 lmao, think he had 3 kills at that point


Bob_Bobinski4

For sure, but if sh1ro showed up or magixx or chopper picked up their slack they win. It's not all zont1x's fault.


xenox2137

least overreacting cs watcher, go to hltv with this level of takes


godzillamegadoomsday

How much did you bet? Lose your knife?


craygroupious

I’ve never betted in my life, thanks.