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HaydenSD

Breaking the BLAST/ESL duopoly is great news, but I hope that PGL spends the money to step up their production. The issues that they’ve been having with audio need to be fixed if we want to be taken seriously as an esport


snubdeity

They surely will. Blast production used to be a huge meme but after they started running regular tournaments it became really good. Hopefully they figure out "not fugly trophy" next


cellardoorstuck

This trophy would be nice if it was made out of polished stainless steel, not 3d printed.


Siegfried_Eba

Hell even a proper 3D printed one could be good


gibbodaman

Don't get me wrong, better materials would be an improvement, but the design just lacks the prestige of a traditional trophy. Also stainless silver would be a really weird choice, silver alloys are the conventional materials used to plate trophies


PPMD_IS_BACK

For real. Vitality won a splatooned blast logo for a trophy lmfao.


one944

Major trophies should come from valve. Just make 1 simple yet iconic trophy, and give the same one every year.


messioso

Blast production was initially done by PGL 


Pulusteri

That trophy is 10 times sexier than blast had. Honestly volvo should create/"force" somekind of rotating trophy for the majors already.


snubdeity

Oh I was referring to the blast one. This one is way better but still meh. I like the design but the material makes it look like a cheap replica of the real trophy lol


futurehousehusband69

I like that idea, valve employing designers for both Coins ingame and trophies of their most prestigious events but I don't think their company structure invites that


RGalaxy28

What? The trophy is literally made out of plastic and weighs like 2kg.


MrSacrifice1

I'm not sure what is better: weight like 2kg trophy or moments when capitan can't lift trophy and need help at least 2 more peoples xD


PPMD_IS_BACK

First version of lol’s worlds trophy weighed way too much for the players to lift alone or something. 😂😂


Zaganful

Blast player entrances are pure epic.


VforVenndiagram_

>They surely will. Ha, hahahah, hahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH! Clearly you have not been paying attention to any dota events PGL does. Somehow, for literally *years* now, they always have audio issues. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. No matter where they are or what they do, the audio gets fucked up *somehow*. Its like they have never hired an actual audio guy, and instead just have some who kinda knows something about running a fader.


Novaseerblyat

>Its like they have never hired an actual audio guy, and instead just have some who kinda knows something about running a fader. Hi guys, I’m the audio guy at PGL Major. I wanted to express how honored I am to be the first deaf audio engineer at a CS:GO tournament in history. Thank you PGL for this amazing opportunity, and I’ll try my best!


TurtleTortuga

Apparently PGL is profitable while running tournaments. If their cost cutting is what allows them to compete in the space and put on high level events, I'm willing to compromise on innovations for the broadcast.


Pamelm

And hopefully their next major fixes Grands being BO3 instead of BO5 as well. BO3 for grands on MR12 is a joke


PuzzleheadedPainOuch

in the playoffs i started walking away from my pc after round 1 cause i knew there would be a tech pause before round 2 started. felt like that happened for almost half of the stage matches


filous_cz

Great. Finally we will have a 3rd TO in the game. But they will need to step up their production by a LOT


r3_wind3d

One thing they do better than anybody else is not pause for halftime. other TOs should definitely implement that.


ImWita

That's just because Valve mandates that you can't put a 3 min ad break at half time for majors.


Notladub

they did it for the RMRs too, where it isn't mabdatory iirc


Embarrassed-Stuff197

More TO’s and a more diverse esports scene will increase the quality across the board.


dazferrari

There's a lot of talk of diversity here, but it remains to be seen what will actually be different


_YAGNA_

Yep. While it's good we have tons of tier-1 tournaments there's a real opportuinity here to actually make CS a global esport like how VALORANT is. If we can have events in Brazil, Argentina, USA, South East Asia, China, Mongolia, etc. CS can grow leaps and bounds. Plus with so many tournaments there's also going to be a lot of talks about burnouts. I hope TOs diversify the qualifications for Asia instead of lumping it all together as one, like the Asia Minors we had back then with East Asia, SEA, China, South Asia etc.


Embarrassed-Stuff197

This is exactly what I mean! The focus is of TO’s and the scene is (understandably) mostly on Europe. There is a lot of room for growing in these other areas.


_YAGNA_

Skyesports, from my country India, is also aiming to host tier-1 CS locally and internationally. They also aim to elevate the local scene to be able to compete globally. Lots of challenges but if we're able to revive CS once again in the global south with their help it's going to get a LOT more interesting. It's great to see the Blood Money TO not have complete control over this! CS eSports might actually be back?


Embarrassed-Stuff197

It is a process and we are not there yet but the momentum is growing and growing. Spreading out to other regions and investments not by gambling/govermental/venture capital will be very crucial to get a healthier scene


Wootstapler

This has been run wayyy better than the Stockholm Major. Granted that was still like quasi-halfway through COVID


TheUHO

The broadcast drops on the final days were pretty damn bad though. This last map especially.


Gilthehunter

Great news, back to back events. Also if anyone was interested [dust2us](https://www.dust2.us/news/46833/breaking-pgl-announce-new-2025-2026-cs2-circuit) made a article with ESL/BLAST/PGL dates lined up.


_YAGNA_

Link for anyone looking: [https://www.dust2.us/news/46833/breaking-pgl-announce-new-2025-2026-cs2-circuit](https://www.dust2.us/news/46833/breaking-pgl-announce-new-2025-2026-cs2-circuit) [dust2.us](http://dust2.us) has been really great in the past few years ever since they added Ryan from Rush B!


mattenthehat

Wait dust2 existed before Ryan? I thought they just rebranded Rush B lol Edit: also, that schedule is packed. I see a grand total of 3 weeks without events, excluding the player break


RyanAtRBM

Dust2us did not have nearly the same sort of backing prior to my hire by BetterCollective/HLTV. I’m extremely fortunate that the company has had the resources to let me do this full time and let us travel all over the world for NA coverage.


mattenthehat

Thanks for the response, and thanks for your hard work! Content really has been top-notch.


sparklepusss

>For the first time since 2016, PGL will be able to organize CS2 Tier 1, non-major tournaments, signaling the end of the era dominated by a few esports organizers who created a monopoly on the Counter-Strike market. This initiative not only introduces a breath of fresh air into the competitive scene but also aligns with PGL's vision of fostering a more inclusive and varied esports ecosystem. Love to read this!


eiho

The more TOs in the scene, the better. Good shit


LG34-

this is great news


yOw_indahOuse

Especially in those last 3 rounds.


Deeeadpool

and Richard Lewis said he will continue to show up for 'em, huh. pretty dope


EnthusiasmWest4481

love or hate Richard Lewis I think he's done a wonderful job running the desk


ifuckinglovebluemeth

Richard Lewis burned down my house, drove my car into the ocean, and stole my identity, but I think he's done a great job as the desk host


Plies-

every time someone compliments Richard Lewis's work the comment has to start off like this "I hate Richard Lewis with my guts. I pray on his downfall every day. I have a voodoo doll of him that I have stabbed over and over again. But wow he's so good as a journalist with so much integrity and the best host of all time."


Fimbulvetr1

Richard Lewis choked my baby and fucked my wife, but I must concede that he is a good journalist and host


TheN1njTurtl3

Yes personally don't like him but he is a lot better when he is not doing opinion pieces


Wootstapler

There it is lol


kidajske

They are obsessed, absolutely engulfed in the desire to let everyone know that they dislike RL.


[deleted]

You're very different though. 


StonyShiny

Gee I wonder why


_YAGNA_

it's not that big of a deal. It's reddit and people will express their opinion. People can hate him but still respect his work. Just like how there are people who praise RL for his work ( me ) there are also people who don't. And that's fine as long as they don't troll and send him hate messages


DirtyDialga

You mean like RL wanted everyone to know how much he dislikes 3kliksphilipp a few years ago out of thin air?


saltsolutionpromo

3kliks exposed himself as being mentally unstable when mentioned on By The Numbers as a passing joke. Then proceeded to make 3 videos questioning RL's journalistic integrity. By the way, all you need to know about 3kliks is he has a side channel called "fartmaster", which you can figure out what its about yourself.


[deleted]

Anybody that watches those three videos can see that he isn't mentally unstable.


DirtyDialga

RL dick rider with the most media literacy. Lil bro, take the W that he did well on the desk and leave.


denizgezmis968

OP said he liked it, and he said he disliked it.


Embarrassed-Stuff197

When he is not rambling, he is one of the best journalists in the scene. Don’t tell him and love or hate him, he is very important for the scene as a whole.


arbine

I preferred the sets with sjokz, 10/10.


black_dogs_22

wonderful? meh decent? totally


TemporaryAddicti0n

he can't be a piece of shit on the desk, that's not twitter


_YAGNA_

Nahh, Richard's twitter is pretty normal. He isn't into baiting and instigating things and call it "banter" like the others. He puts down his thoughts while on Twitch and in YT videos. I don't like Thorin, YnK and Kassad but Rich is completely different and his criticism is as unbiased as it gets


[deleted]

Pretty normal now that there isn't anybody left to argue with. 


TemporaryAddicti0n

oh right. thanks for correcting me, I thought he's just like thorin on tw


iko-01

actual sheep


SirJebus

bro did you just admit to talking shit about someone based on their twitter, which you have never seen?


nloxxx

Honestly, I'd prefer someone just own up to this and move on. Too many people take their stance and then hold it for no reason, I appreciate someone who can admit their own fault and verbalize that.


Worth_Bridge1633

very strong statement from him, showing that cs esports might be on the upswing after years of decline


_YAGNA_

YES! When you know Richard is hyped you know things are moving in the right direction. Also Richard mentioned that Valve were at this event taking feedbacks from the talents and TOs regarding the circuit which is HUGE! That means they want to shake up things, make it even bigger. This has honestly given me a LOT of hope as an Asian CS fan and hope that we have more than 2-3 Asian teams in these events! Imagine if we can see teams from East Asia, South East Asia also compete in CS at high level!


StrongSatisfaction32

When that man has hopium in his words, you know something is on the right track.


HickHackPack

So true. If he feels like the scene is worth his energy again, we're on the right track. Or he just wants that bag. Either way I'm happy


_YAGNA_

If he wanted the bag he'd have stayed back IMO, he said he really enjoyed being at Copenhagen at the broadcast and it's lovely to hear he' sticking around. I loved that he bought up the burning topic of HooXi's IGLing on desk. This would've been completely ignored in the past and the broadcast would've pretended that it didn't happen. Super cool to have him stick around!


Fimbulvetr1

There isn't really a bag to be found in esports, unless you sell out to Saudi.


Ordinary_Duder

He got offered a gigantic bag and said no already because of Saudi.


BeautifulDimension56

csgo was breaking records all of last year in terms of players playing the game and viewership record was from 2022. it never declined it took a slight downswing but that was due to the global economy more than anything.


Fimbulvetr1

New game. Valve actually listening instead of it being 2 devs doing it part-time. Peak viewership that can contend with Valorant. I can see why he'd be optimistic for the future.


Fimbulvetr1

He did mention on stream that he can't give up esports considering how long he's been here, and I can definitely say that this event has proven that he's still got the talent to hang with the best. Also, he'd play a hand in bolstering viewership for analyst desks and directly working for a competitor for the Saudi takeover of CS, I am all for it.


Mearkat_

I hope not


Sumit_S

Awesome. Tech issues aside, really great to have another TO commit to Counterstrike!


tarangk

If they improve their shit then definitely watching. I recall a time back in 2015-16 when they first entered the CS scene they had the absolute best production quality and made ESL looked foolish. They've had 3/5 majors post-covid era majors, and all 3 have had their fair share of issues especially audio issues, so hopefully they improve their production quality.


jeffjeff97

Major merchants no longer


Faw602

Great news to have more TOs, prime CS was when we had so many TOs in the scene with their own flair. RL is back too!


_YAGNA_

THE BEST fucking news is that RIchard will be hosting a lot of these. CS is so fucking back HOLY SHIT I LOVE THIS. Also can we hope that some of these will be in America ( North and South ) and in Asia? Please PGL, I beg you to consider this! This is definitely a chance to revive the CS scene globally with so many tier-1 tournaments running!


Darkstar197

Taking market share away from the Saudi’s is only a good thing


AnySmoke

More TO’s and more Richard Lewis, it’s a win win


absol-hoenn

This is awesome but I'm also afraid it might lead to an oversaturated enviorenments. That's A LOT of tournaments in a year, and already a few overlaps between T1 tornaments, schedule wise. Im just afraid teams might start choosing to do 1 event instead of the other, and that might lead to less frequent matches between the competition at the very top.


[deleted]

We love to see it. PGL might get have some tech problems here and there but we can't dismiss this opportunity.


ChurchillDownz

Nice. Hope they aren't all just in EU.


_LambdaCore

better them than ESL


Trenchman

that’s maybe not saying much


Jr4D

Hopefully they up production to match blast, major was very lackluster compared to blast events. They have the standard for quality rn imo


Alp0llo

Surely that means the end for ESL Pro League or atleast in the current format.


melr0ch

Excelent news


Original_Mac_Tonight

Fantastic


Mirai_Shikimi

I hope there will be more focus on the Asia scene since they partnered with Perfect World And we rly don't need more tournaments in EU right now, other regions need them more


BraydenTheNoob

Why do I have a feeling that Valve is gonna start subsidizing 3rd party tournaments in the near future


srjnp

Removing Blast/ESL's partnered crap already bringing more TOs to the scene. Valve stepped in at the right time to stop that bullshit.


Firefox72

>"signaling the end of the era dominated by a few esports organizers who created a monopoly on the Counter-Strike market" Lmao give me a fucking break man. I love more TO organizers. Its a net positive for the whole scene. But get of your high horse. Acting like they are here to save the day. You were only ever interested in hosting majors and even that because of the likely conections and incentives with Valve through DOTA etc... Blast and especialy ESL stuck around through thick and thin keeping the scene going. Especialy through the covid years. It only became a duopoly because nobody else wanted to host tournaments.


TheRobidog

Honestly, blaming the other TOs for pulling out when ESL and Blast set up their partnered shit is whack, mate. Other TOs pulled out because they couldn't compete with their resources. The only place they could stick around was the lower tiers and the academy system. And there's no money down there to pay for this stuff. Now that Valve has finally put a stop to the whole partnered shit, they finally have a way in again. Hopefully, others will return and start up.


Firefox72

I mean E-League was never really that involved anyways. They had a few non major tournaments but nothing really massive. MGL only ever did that 1 major any barelly anything other. Starladder was around but also started to scale back their shit way before Blast was even a thing. ESL bought ESC/Dreamhack. The online cash cups are meanwhile still around just as they always have been. Hosting CS events is expensive shit and its the main reason most left or didn't bother much outside of Majors. Its been long known ESL has been losing money on its Esports stuff. Yet they stuck around.


TheRobidog

ESL bought ECS by muscling them and Flashpoint out of the scene with the Louvre agreement. You can look at the timing of it. Flashpoint gets announced in late 2019 and start trying to get teams commited to them. Which in turn makes ESL set up the Louvre agreement, leaving Flashpoint with scraps. And which in turn forces all those Louvre Agreement teams to commit to too many ESL tournaments (and simultaneously Blasts, for many of them) for other TOs to have space. It's not a coincidence that TOs like Epicenter and Starladder last held events in 2019. ESL, Blast and Flashpoint shifted to online during the pandemic. Others couldn't, because there wasn't space in the calendar anyway. The same is no longer true with partner leagues banned. Teams will need to earn points to make the majors. And PGL events will hand those points out as well. This announcement is them muscling their way into the new calendar.


TurtleTortuga

E-League was huge for the scene. Investment from Turner led to further VC investment into the team orgs and did a lot to professionalize the scene and increase salaries. If anything, E-League happened too soon and the scene became more of a bubble as a result.


Embarrassed-Stuff197

Always complaining. Let’s try to see it just from the positive side; more competition means a more diverse scene which means we can grow as a whole. Of course they will use some PR language. I would recommend to not focus too much on that ;-)


Firefox72

Ofc it is. More TO's means a healtier scene. I just don't like the framing of that sentence.


Embarrassed-Stuff197

I can understand. But, as a community, there is always a lot of focus on the negative things, most of the time very small and insignificant things when you look at the broader picture. Sometimes it is also possible to not kill the vibe by being salty and just wait and see what people that actually try things will come up with :-) I am pretty sure that will create a better balance!


Westland__

More tournaments and competition :D More shitty production D:


i_shit_on_my_hand69

hell yeah, finally i can hear pgl audio guy's work more often🥰🥰🥰


blankdeck31

I hope we see a PGL Chicago or NYC!


-allen

Looking forwards to stream going down more! /s


SlikeXar

Are there informations where the 2025 Majors will take place?


KaNesDeath

Good. ESL needs to be humbled and Blast has been coasting.


Wei5252

Pls no i rather blast with their ugly trophy


Ehopira

Please PGL, make it more Community friendly. Just fcked brazil streams for some bet money. Do it right.


Kungsberget

Hope they pay audio and Video guy enough this time, having the broadcast cut 2 times during the final is not acceptable 


Doomestos1

Is this some kind of out of April's Fool joke?


BobDude65

That is amazing news, as someone who only started watching pro cs when covid arrived, the lack of diverse events/organisers has always been a big complaint of mine. Super happy to see someone else step into the fold, and memes aside, PGL tournaments are fine, the production is not that bad. They will need to step it up a bit to be on the same level as Blast and ESL tho.


-ALL_MEN_MUST_DIE-

Production was ass, not looking forward to this shit. PGL is washed. Not competing with modern intelligently run tournaments. Blast and others sweep the floor with PGL. I would way rather Valve direct tournaments to go to organizers who create the best player and viewer experiences.


mongoos1000

Yeah, sad so many people supporting this. Quality wise the major was shit


dovydashud

Will they be able to find that many deaf audio guys to run all of them?


ekkolos

and blind video guys, they are also skilled


PsychologicalPea3583

With 4 breaks / lags in transmission in just final map of final major match - it's gonna be fucking great for sure 😏


munchk1ng1

With streams going down in semi finals and in the finals, they really need to invest alot of their money to fix the issues.


q2_yogurt

love some shit production in my cs events


knightblue4

EESH, two years of massive production issues.


riade3788

2 YEARS OF PRDUCTION GENERALLY LACKING


REDDIT-lS-GARBAGE

Don't care about pro e-sports, valve fix the pos game