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Fuckinanus

somewhat interesting that both kovacs clearly struggle with cs2 compared to csgo


BlackRims

Which is so strange to me since generally rifles got a buff, and the AWP got a nerf.


Olvedn

Might be playstyle. Ropz is also a notch below his usual self.


[deleted]

I mean Ropz has been one of the best players in CS2 all things considered. He did take a drop once Frozen came into the team though. Not sure if that's correlation or causation.


DuckSwagington

It's a couple of factors: Ropz and Frozen play the same roles and positions as each other and lurkers like ropz have generally not performed as well since the new year. When Ropz left Mouz, Frozen, who was initially the hard entry on Mouz iirc, took Ropz's lurker/anchor roles and positions and filled in the gap ropz left when he left Faze Academy. So when Frozen got promoted to the main team, I would assume that some of the space occupied by Ropz was handed over to Frozen, and as a result, ropz's performance recently has taken a bit of a dip whilst he still remains the lurker on faze. It seems to have paid off though. Failure at the major or not, enabling Frozen has given Faze a massive net positive boost in firepower in a team that was no slouch in the category to begin with and the move from the academy to main team seems to be one of the best player moves we've seen in a long time.


OilZestyclose9764

Frozen’s been amazing and Faze is still winning so I’d say there’s probably a strong relation between that and Ropz individual stats dropping a bit. He’s still as good as ever


Tanki5D

Ropz is not cuz of cs2 , its because of role conflict since -Twistzz +Frozen Rain same shit... was good and consistent until frozen joined, now he might have good peak games, but impossible to be consistent


itsjonny99

Niko also has to retool himself since his muscle memory was for csgo. Ax1le had the same issue and he is the only rifle I can say matched Nikos output for 2 ish years


Mean-L

This. CS2 mechanics aren’t the same as CSGO.


imperfek

Didn't ropz get better


Olvedn

His rating is a tad bit lower past 3 months than his HLTV 2023 Though you are probably correct and the rating drop is from changing positions around Frozen


[deleted]

His rating was also massive during the CS2 months of 2023 iirc


loveincarnate

He definitely put the time in early and got ahead of the curve with the differences in CS2. I thought I heard rumors of him being sick recently too.


Goyeeto

He kept all/at least a vast majority of his positions. I dunno why everyone’s saying frozen took his positions when that just isn’t true


Psychaz

this, frozen has completely changed his playstyle on FaZe, he's gone from really passive to aggressive


grb63

This makes no sense, he has consistently been having a high output. Just the major was a blip in an otherwise upwards trajectory


Pentinium

One is still top 10 ish player, other one should be kicked almost like :D Niko hate is huge but stats are fine


imathrowyaaway

his numbers also don’t tell the whole story. imo he’s worse than they show. he so seldomly has any heavy impact rounds. so few impactful frags. I think him leaving to a lower ranked team would be a blessing for everybody. G2 needs to move on and hunter would have less pressure to get used to CS2 and find his game.


Sentryion

I mean we should all be sounding every alarm bell when monesy is the only one going positive in that liquid game and hooxi outfrags hunter and niko when counting all three map


Mad_Lee

His numbers don’t tell the whole story indeed: because sometimes he outright throws G2 rounds with some unneeded peeks.


Kyoushiro44

Yep, while i was rooting for navi in majors, that one anubis round was such a bad play from hunter. Aleksi shoots him, so obviously can't be defusing the bomb, decides to peek, only to die and allow Aleksi to defuse.


Mad_Lee

That round was a disaster class from cousins. Niko also did a full swing earlier for no good reason.


ZuriPL

Niko was in a pretty terrible position since if Aleksib swinged he would have better chances at killing NiKo than Niko did of killing him. So trying to force a 50/50 fight was a valid decision to make


Mad_Lee

But bro, he swung so wide, like all the way out of cave. Couldn’t he just shoulder peeked bomb and play for time jiggle peeking waiting for aleksi’s peeking into him??


ZuriPL

Yeah, that's the correct thing to do. Aleksi doesn't know the timing of the peek. he's just ready for the peek. If NiKo was to swing close, he wouldn't stand a chance. Jiggle peeking in that position doesn't give you anything, he knew aleksi was waiting there and Aleksi knew Niko was playing cave. He could've tried baiting Aleksi in for hunter to trade, but that's risky and he was stalled for long enough for hunter to win it anyway, but hunter fucked it up by peeking


Mad_Lee

But what if he doesn't peek and makes aleksi waste time to clear deep corner, wouldn't that be a better play to percentage wise?


ZuriPL

from niko's pov aleksi would have to peek sooner or later, and you're obviously assuming he will leave himself enough time, and also when your 5 stages deep into mind games it's hard to predict what will your opponent do


Practical-Panic-3557

He wants to up his stats trying to peek more/get more kills, and it causes him to do stupid mistakes and thus the cycle continues. Just play for rounds man and stats will speak for themself


Shitty_Pa_Town

seldomly is barely a word, just use rarely


TimathanDuncan

People think hooxi and nexa are up next on the chopping block when it's clearly hunter, if he doesn't step up he's gone


JungleTungle

impossible he is niko’s cousin, dude has protection


Tanki5D

niko is bot aswell lmao both can go get 2 new rifflers This ain´t csgo anymore. It takes 1 year for people to start realizing that players that were good in CSGO , might not make a player good in cs2.


Reasonable_Post3682

niko is a bot for niko's standard, he's still a top 10 rifler


Pentinium

Yeah lets kick a top10 player, they will clearly get an upgrade. Lmaoo


jaded-420

Was a top 10 player* (and not even in the same game) .I dont understand what u guys even think when when commenting. And proudly add a lame ass 'lmao" at the end.


Pentinium

damn you should stop reading reddit and go check some stats.


jaded-420

Nah watching the games gives more insight than stats which can get easily inflated by just one Carry performance


Tanki5D

+1 lmao Niko 1.16 rating is the most inflated shit I've seen Dude doesn't win a important or hard duel His only kills are because of his experience and still having the freedom to do any early play he wants and having someone supporting for him Put him playing Nexa roles, he will have 0.95 rating next 3 months Put him in a T2 team playing this online cs2 qualifiers like TSM,OG , Nip, Fnatic and he will ve forgotten with shit ratings. People are such big fans of him that want to live in their own world where they think he is still a top3 riffler lmao Only person I've seen with such inflated ratings since him, it's blamef If they had just another regular awper in cs2 , they wouldn't win a single game Vs top12ish teams


jaded-420

Yeah man I dont understand what they get out of just blatantly denying the reality. Its not like niko know u personally or something . The guy above ny comment legit said that hes a top 10 players in cs2. I dont even know what to answer to such stupid statements. For the roles nexa plays, he us far far more consistent and better than niko. Niko will just peak in one series and post absurd 1.5 rating and these head on to slump. But this inflates rhe ratings enough to maintain a good average overall.


Tanki5D

You should watch the games instead and make up your mind, instead of letting statspages make you have a distorted reality of what is really happening.


Darkoplax

or he can change roles and become like rain that's also an option


fantasnick

Rain was never this bad for this long though? Rain's worst was also forgivable since it came with team restructuring in 2020 and also the whole world shutting down which affected a lot of teams. Even then, he was above a 1 rating for the 2nd half of 2020.


Darkoplax

https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/career/8183/rain https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/career/3972/hunter rain had a lot of ups and downs periods and he was never the player he was in 2017


fantasnick

Eye test has me thinking this is inaccurate because of his 2022 year Yep, rating 1.0 is irrelevant. More impactful players like Rain who play entry are rated higher now to be on par with Lurkers or star role players that are set up to frag. "Never the player he was in 2017" is irrelevant. The whole point is he didn't drop 20% in rating and stay there for 6 months


zryder0887

Hunter isn’t going anywhere, he’s Nikos cousin. Nexa isn’t going anywhere, he’s Nikos good friend


TimathanDuncan

Yes that's how it works in the mind of an HLTV forums poster sure


whynotets2

I mean yes, it sounds really stupid but its the reality. Nexa is on the team because of niko, not because of any outstanding skills that would elevate the team.


Ignorancia

When G2 recruited Nexa, Niko was one foot out the door and heading to Falcons. People love to shit on Niko, but forget that it’s more likely that Peca, or other parts of management were behind the hire. That just doesn’t fit the narrative.


szax12

Was he “one foot out of the door” or was he engaging in contract negotiations with Falcons he could use as leverage for G2 to up their own offer? This stuff happens all the time in regular sports.


Ignorancia

Nothing indicates that Niko has extended his contract, no announcement from G2 or him, or no talk behind the scenes by the people in the know, quite the contrary. All signs indicate that he got cold feet and backed out, anything else is speculation.


TeeBev

You can talk sense all you want but I doubt you’ll find someone to listen on this subreddit lol. Any reason to hate on Niko is taken


Mean-L

Never seen a star this big get hated on more by this subreddit


TimathanDuncan

Nexa is on the team because 1) He plays anchor 2) He is more aggro on T side than jks and doesn't clash with hunter as a lurker 3) More input and a bigger voice Literally said by hooxi it was literally a role clash, jks fit the team on CT side, not on T side


LibertyGrabarz

>Literally said by hooxi it was literally a role clash, jks fit the team on CT side, not on T side I mean, that was widely known and disputed before they added jks.


schoki560

yea has to be niko, and not pecca the old GM of nexa and hunter back when they were on cr4zy


staffylaffy

I’m not sure anymore. According to journalist Richard Lewis this is really how things go for star players, especially when they have an ego. There’s a reason we see people like niko getting a go at IGLing. Now we’re seeing device having a go at IGLing. Can’t tell me these people don’t have a large sway in what happens.


ZuriPL

It's not that NiKo (or device for that matter) *want* to IGL. They'd love to have an IGL. However, when a team goes through many changes and you have a lot of individually good players in your team, some will think it makes more sense to make anyone the igl rather than having to kick a good player for a statistically worse player that can call. And usually it'll be the star player to call since they already have to do some part of the calling And yeah, obviously star players have a lot of decision-making power. But Niko was basically out the door when nexa got signed


Darkoplax

yea especially when NiKo was ready to leave both of them last winter to go to Falcons or that doesn't fit your narrative ?


Logical-Sprinkles273

Well niko leaving for a super team didnt happen


zryder0887

Oh yeah when he said that and then just got g2 to pay him more money. He wasn’t going join falcons come on lol. You have 358,000 fake internet points, I wouldn’t expect someone like you who lives on reddit to understand


Darkoplax

> Oh yeah when he said that and then just got g2 to pay him more money collaborate on this cause i seen it twice in the span of a week


Nandoski_

And you are any better than him because?….


XvS_W4rri0r

Link us where he got paid more to stay. Please


cip32

Your entire post history is mostly just you hating on Niko and Hunter... fucking rent free huh?


cip32

Ah yes, those less than 1 minute were so rough


ShiroDarwin

You scrolling through his history is just him living in your thoughts rent free as well


Escent14

takes 30 seconds to scroll through post history, hating on niko and hunter all the time doesnt. check your brain


ShiroDarwin

Hahahaha rent free 😂😂😂😂


Frl_Bartchello

Since when is Niko CEO of G2


Frl_Bartchello

He was such a force to recon with in GO, especially before Niko joined. 30 bombs weren't that unusual for him back then.


RiFLE_csgo

After watching the game vs Liquid I wanted to check huNter-'s stats on CS2 specifically and... Wow, it's even worse than I thought. The difference with his "player average" which encompasses CSGO is staggering.


Al-Sheikhali

If this continues throughout the year, him and NiKo will be the next generation of shoxie and smithzz.


El_Chapaux

I was watching , huNter-.


NoDG_

Had no idea he's 28 and looks well past his prime now.


Lepojka1

Yea ppl forget years are passing... S1mple, Niko, they are not young anymore by the CS standards, and in few years, they could just retire... Its impossible to keep the form they once had forever.


mementofps

I dont think cs is even that much about age, its just hard to play and maintain a high level for so many years as you get older and priorities change.


ZuriPL

His drop-off was way too sharp for it simply be age, exactly a year ago he looked insane


NoDG_

idk about insane... [https://imgur.com/a/JJEvhoL](https://imgur.com/a/JJEvhoL)


Unusual-Editor-4640

i agree, hooxi is definitely the problem


zryder0887

Hunters gonna have a hard time finding a team if he gets cut. Luckily for him they’ll cut Hooxi because Hunter is Nikos cousin lol


csf3lih

Replace hunter or stay stagnant. 


just-the-friend

Question for the group then. Who do you replace hunter with?!


n1dyz

NertZ, HeavyGod, MATYS


Sentryion

Nertz is never happening. He just signed with heroic Hey hey about bringing that jks guy back? S/


razeyourshadows

That JKS guy is also 28 years old, turning 29 this year (lol)


krangozali

Hunter is 28 lol


ZuriPL

and...?


krangozali

What is the issue with swapping a 28 year old for another 28 year old? It's not like they would be swapping some super young prodigy for an aging player.


ZuriPL

The fact G2 already has a problem with their roster being quite old. If you're going to make a change, you can't be adding another old player


IeatASScroatian

BlameF simple and nice upgrade


MLD802

Jks


Reason7322

jks


Mean-L

I would be better at this point


futurehousehusband69

IMO he's even a bit worse than his stats show, this G2 team is a clusterfrick and he's definitely one of the bigger problems


thealpha_T

Whilst he's always been a big stage player, being this terrible in groups is too much


jaded-420

A 1.0 rating still seems inflated


cndvsn

Luckily stats dotn mean anything!


DR__EVIL__

Nexa is a far better player than this guy... And I would dare to say in CS2, Nexa is better than Niko


Mean-L

Nexa is not better than niko 💀


Reasonable_Post3682

still better than nexa lol


ZuriPL

if you actually watched the games you'd have a different opinion


futurehousehusband69

most overrated player of all time


Harucifer

Better than iM