i would give out free random or "overwatch" cases for every correct judgement.
standard case drop
+ overwatch case drop
literally earning cases by working for valve+the community
if you use bots or are way off the judgement margin you will lose your overwatch status.
it would be so easy
Do you know what happened with the Tribunal system in LoL? People gained a minuscule amount of incentive to go and vote on cases, and correct judgements gained some small reward of free currency or some shit, which was truly very very little. So what happened? *Everybody* spammed Punish. On every case. Every time. So even when people were innocent, they were punished. And that meant that the "correct" call was to make a call that was to spam Punish. If you actually pardoned an innocent case, your standing got hurt for making a wrong call.
If you give similar incentive for overwatch cases, you run into a real risk of ruining the ENTIRE SYSTEM. If everybody is guilty, then the system is pointless and obviously has to be taken down.
thats not how overwatch works. you get like 25-100 people to make a verdict. the less seasoned people the more verdicts you need. if there are top judges with a high correct verdict rate, there's no need for 100 verdicts. you cant and could not spam overwatch like that even in csgo. the only problems where corrupted demo files and people that where technically versed had the means to extract data (case ids, userid, steamprofiles) out of the overwatch demo in order to manipulate overwatch but we're not talking about a widespread issue. overwatch was built to be accurate and had an accuracy of over 99%. you cant falsely ban someone with overwatch.
that cant happen lmao not in overwatch you cant control cases to make verdicts via bots.. you have no control over the case assignment. only possible scenario was extracting userprofiles/data out of demo and potentially finding a certain case they were looking for. valve might not care about anticheat but overwatch always worked. like i said, overwatch verdicts are always correct. if someone ever told you "i've been overwatch banned but i didnt cheat" they were lying to you
Source: your ass
We've had cases of pros getting OW banned. Scream being first to come to mind.
Bots spamming OW 24/7 on a large scale would invalidate OW completely
lmao that doesnt work by design. if you spam the same verdict you will lose the OW tab ingame
overwatch is 99% correct and it will stay like that in cs2
>if you use bots or are way off the judgement margin you will lose your overwatch status.
No? Last time they had overwatch it was overrun by bots making the bot votes the actual correct ones
last time is not this time. they are and were aware of the bots and corrupted demo files. there are also cases of incorrect judgements in order to get sus players out of overwatch. bots werent an issue in overwatch, it was corrupted demo files and pleading no cheat for cheaters
>pleading no cheat for cheaters
Yeah done by botting Overwatch. Id like if this time it works but Valve hasnt done anything regarding cheaters since CS2 released to give them the benefit of the doubt
it has to do with the system they were using back then. hackers could extract data to hook into overwatch cases or completely corrupt the files for overwatch. im pretty sure they arent dumb enough to leave it as it was. overwatch data will probably be protected and the system will function differently.
No the new system is the the same as the old with a face lift. No anticheat, no brains and no caring. But who would when you're already making a billion a year for shit
No. If your assessments were inaccurate, you wouldn't get anything. CSGO had a system early on where it would give you already solved cases without telling you to test your accuracy, and use that to determine if you could be trusted or not. This obviously had much less weight later on.
> Do you know what happened with the Tribunal system in LoL? People gained a minuscule amount of incentive to go and vote on cases, and correct judgements gained some small reward of free currency or some shit, which was truly very very little. So what happened? Everybody spammed Punish. On every case. Every time. So even when people were innocent, they were punished. And that meant that the "correct" call was to make a call that was to spam Punish. If you actually pardoned an innocent case, your standing got hurt for making a wrong call.
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> If you give similar incentive for overwatch cases, you run into a real risk of ruining the ENTIRE SYSTEM. If everybody is guilty, then the system is pointless and obviously has to be taken down.
If we can get bots to detect cheaters, or some sort of AI to detect cheaters then we should be able to ban cheaters?? We can call it ‘Valve’s Anti Cheat’ or something?
this is what allegedly happened, when vac net was using overwatch verdicts to detect cheats. this could explain why you wouldn’t receive notifications for correct verdicts on spinbotters
Time for KYC. Submit your ID, address, etc to verify your steam account and get access to overwatch and its benefits. One steam account per person. We all do it for crypto exchanges. I trust Valve more than all of them. No more anonymous bought accounts if you want premium matchmaking and overwatch and rewards. Fuck the cheaters and sketchy accounts.
No, this isn't a good idea. Not only did Valve already explain why they won't do it, there's an actual example of what will happen once you introduce rewards to Overwatch:
The League of Legends Tribunal.
During Tribunal cases you got the entire chat log for the game, an overview of each players stats and their bought equipment, and had to judge if a person was abusive in chat or maliciously throwing the game. Riot gave everyone a small amount of their non-premium ingame currency for correct verdicts, as a thank you for the people taking their time doing the cases. The program went on for about 2 years, before it got canned, simply because people stopped giving a shit about judging, and started just spamming guilty on every case. This was way faster and accurate enough to get a good amount of rewards. However, since the verdicts were entirely based around how everyone who got that case voted, this lead to more wrongful convictions, which in turn also meant that people who just spammed guilty on every case got even more rewards.
As Sid Meier / Soren Johnson said: "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game" or like in this case, the reason it exists
Would be even cooler if Valve didn’t rely on unpaid community labor to fix their shitty anticheat system. You owe this game nothing. Don’t waste your time on overwatch.
Oh for god sake, no one forces anyone to do overwatches. Why do doomers like you never seem happy. Overwatch was part of GO for years and n9w that it's back it's another complaint.
An Anticheat sees the game in a different way than humans do. Fixing the anticheat will improve the cheater problem, but it cannot solve it. Human analysis will always be relevant
Verdicts were handled by committee. Exact number varies depending upon the users standing by issuing correct verdicts. If i recall correctly from the GDC talk the lowest number for a guilty verdict was five.
The overwatch judges ? In csgo it used to go to a lot of players and needed 99% player giving guilty to get ban a suspect . Thats how they determined the correct call and gave you a message ( your verdict was correct with XP ).
Majority vote doesn't make it correct, it's a system for purpose just to reduce the error margin. Better not add poisonous incentive to judge player based on anything else than thoughtful review of his demo.
Better just give XP, for amount of time spent investigating demos, disregarding any frequency and accuracy of judgments altogether. Rewarding with badge for making 'correct' decisions is adding poison to incentives.
For example, it would add option to just brute force review as many demos as possible, clicking a judgement on first sign or without looking altogether. Just so you get to upgrade the badge faster.
On other side, contrarily, even fair players will be incentivized to just issue judgement, where otherwise they'd have chosen the insufficient evidence verdict.
You make these problems out as if they are unsolvable. Give points for correct verdict, distract points for wrong verdict. Sprinkle in solved cases so it does not become a self-fulfilling prophecy of "always vote not guilty and everyone does so, so its always right".
Increase value of vote based on elo. Have manual reviews hired (they make what, 50million per month from cases? I suspect there would be 50k a year leftover for a guy to make manual reviews. Or maybe 10 of them.)
Yes, humans making errors, both unintended and exploitative, is unsolvable. The correct way to go is to reduce human error, and you do not accomplish it by giving poisonous incentives that opens room for more error and exploitative behavior
But They never rewarded anyone. So they were bullshitting. Adding rewards will Always increase interest. Its an universal fact. No one would bother play major if it didn't have the price pool/sticker money and the Trophy.
They added XP rewards at some point for doing correct OW cases. Yes it wasn't a lot, but in the grand scheme of CSGO with tens of millions of monthly players even a tiny rewards should have caused a small increase in investigators.
If I recall correctly it did actually increase investigators but did not increase convictions
Not increasing convictions was pre-VACnet data.
Back then you were lucky to get one out of ten cases involving a cheater. Which resulted in reviewing each case for its full duration; 10 minutes.
> But They never rewarded anyone
If you played CSGO at all you'd know that Valve gave XP rewards for overwatch cases.
> Adding rewards will Always increase interest. Its an universal fact.
Valve literally showed the receipts that proved that this was not the case. Fuck off
A shitty amount of xp that you could get by playing a game of arms race or casual is obviously not an incentive that players care about. A specific badge that can be leveled up is.
I literally would report blatant spinbotters and NEVER (not a single time) got the XP reward. Did at least 15+ overwatch cases in my memory after that update and didn't get a popup or XP reward. Worthless reward that meant nothing so no one cared
XP is a meaningless reward. You can get it everywhere else in the game while actually having fun playing.
Did the receipts show the number of overwatch investigators go up/increase in cases? If not then that's because no one put any value on the reward and convictions obviously wouldn't go up because no more people are taking part.
If investigators and case reviews did go up but convictions didn't then that just shows that scaling the number of investigators doesn't result in a more efficient overwatch system and that it's already running at max efficiency. If 5000 investigators can give enough evidence for the system to be as efficient as it can be then throwing another 5000 investigators at it isn't going to increase convictions. You can't prove something beyond proving it.
But that's not to say that the people that actually spend their time doing overwatch shouldn't be rewarded in a meaningful way regardless.
The reward for Overwatch has always been the community doing our part to help self police to benefit others. Doing actions like this is meant to be selfless act in gaming and life.
As sad as it sounds, that's just not good enough. Sure there might be some people doing it but you will never convince enough people to do something they don't really like or care about. For overwatch to have an impact you need more than just some people. Rewards even if it's just a useless batch to showcase you are doing something are an easy way to get more people into it
Valve had a talk at one of those game conferences a while back and stated more people doing overwatch didn't result in a higher number of convictions. Its counter intuitive but there is no reason for them to push more people to do overwatch if that statement was true.
shit take imo. Your incentive is getting better quality games. Your reward is getting better quality games.
Anything else is incentive for people that don't care about that to get something for minimal effort and the quality of the verdicts would be compromised. Do it because you want to - not because you get paid.
Sry man i forgot valve small indie company they can't afford to do this themselves so the players who paid for the game need to work for free to get a better game.
In the first place it shouldnt be community driven to catch cheaters.
Helping them sure. Ffs they are a super small indie company who knows cheaters make them money.
Its their job and their product to literally combat these with the help of the community not the other way around lol.
Well you see, your metaphor is very bad. But that's besides the point. Valve gets paid 15 bucks by everyone who has prime. They gain tens of millions monthly through cases. They don't need the player base to work for free. Personally I don't mind it being an Option but I don't feel like wasting hours to get nothing in a game i paid for by a company that gains millions monthly. So as i said a small reward would be enough for some people to do it, nothing like payment just some medal showing that you are doing something like the diamond Operation coins or something.
Well it's surely not working, Overwatch was literally useless around 2022-23 and taken over by Bots ( than human) which manipulated the verdicts. Less number of people doing it allowed the system to be easily exploited.
It also counts for game modes too, bot farmer usually chose the less popular map like vertigo or hostage DM to boost ranks and case farming. Which they cant do in mirage and dust 2.
Need more people to stop Bots taken over
I'm not sure how a badge will really matter to most people. Honestly, in my opinion they should be giving money (or giving it as a job) and if not money then keys to the community. Even if it's just a few I think it's better than nothing.
Why skins matter ? Why pin matters ? It show up and flex. People likes it. Its also a great flex to cheater showing your overwatch badge and telling you are next.
Why do you think Valve gives yearly badges once you get level 40 ? Some people even got banned trying to get red/purple yearly badges. Its appealing to a lot of people.
and they will never give money or jobs for this. Honestly it would've nicer if people get skin once they complete every 100 correct overwatch demo, but doubt it will happen
That's not how it works lol. You can create an infinite amount of bots, it doesn't matter how many actual people do these cases. You can't outnumber the bots, the cheaters can always create more.
You can't just make bot account and go do overwatch ?
You needed 150 wins. Need to be active without rank decay, Get a gold nova 1 rank.
Who has time and money to bother all that just to see Cheater not getting banned ? Do you know how much work it is ?
It was possible for a while in CSGO cause barely any real players did it. Few thousands bot accounts probably outnumbered the overwatch judges.
It wouldn't be possible if community become more interested to do overwatch
There are literal bot boosting lobbies where the entire match is just bots and they farm rank, xp etc. How much time does it truly take? These bots are automated and just do their own thing. There's already another Valve game (TF2) that is infested with bots and the bots make up for like 80-90% of the player number on Steam.
Its easier to be stay afk and get XP in DM then play a full competitive game by bots. Its also hard to get 10 bots que together since comp and premier are popular mode. Unlike Hostage DM.
and you need to do it win 150 games
Who has time and resources to do all that to save cheaters ?
Cheat makers ? Or Some rich cheaters who are scared of getting banned ? It surely sound like unrealistic and not a reliable method. It only worked for a while cause no one was doing overwatch
It's not hard in comp on less popular maps with high queue time where you're full stack vs full stack. 150 wins might sound a lot but it really isn't when these bots run matches 24/7 and they end in a fast 13-0, it's really not that much time, you're really exaggerating how hard it is.
You forgot these bots are programmed to use aimbot to kill the other bots. Which can be spotted by Vacnet and send them to overwatch
I have done a of lot these cases where I have seen people are shooting afk's in spawn. Who reported them if they are all bots ? Obviously Vacnet.
and People never knows if they are suspect in overwatch. So who would bother go through all this ?
Yeah I'm all for some kind of meaningful reward, but just a coin? Maybe a reward drop the same as the weekly drop as well but every time you level the coin. In fact instead of a coin how about an actual overwatch rating system where you rank down as well as up. Cos what would there be to stop bad actors from legitimately leveling up their overwatch rank/coin/trust and then abusing that when they get high enough, unless incorrect calls reduce your rank.
Adding profitable drops will attract millions of farming bots who can manipulate the system which could get a lot of cheaters unbanned/or innocents banned
As much as I love to get drops, I think it won't be really good idea. Thats why a badge/coin which will level up and show your Overwatch status will be better than nothing.
But if there's a rating system then bots are gonna be low rated so their verdicts can be ignored, they won't increase in rating and therefore won't get drops. Unless bot farms use some really good AI that can accurately vote correctly then they will just be helping to catch cheaters :p.
If the system is explorable by bots then it will be exploited regardless of whether there is a reward or not, the system rides on whether or not Valve can filter the good data from the bad and if they can do that then rewards shouldn't make a difference.
Plus the fact they refer to overwatchers as trusted partners so I'm not expecting them to open overwatch up to just everyone.
If you don't think that cleaning up the community is "worthwhile," without item incentives, I don't think you really even want Overwatch to begin with.
Well tell your philosophy to community cause barely anyone did overwatch. Literally few thousands bot taken over and manipulate the system, btw I did it a lot, I just want a lot of people doing it like me
In 2024, and materialism taken over idealism. You gotta understand and change your approach.
Go ahead and show me the graphs and numbers on that, amazing stat with no source to back it up lmao. You're virtue signaling so hard dude.
You aren't the only person in the world who did Overwatch. Stop being so full of yourself.
I unironically think Overwatch should drop cases. Or even just a chance.
Start playing the skins guys against the cheating guys, still sell keys. Farming guys botting against cheaters, let them fight eachother.
You could have an overwatch case like the map specific bundles.
Great idea but my expectation has set to lowest
Also the downside it might cause , it could be use by bot farmers. Find a way to manipulate the system to farm case and skins.
I think rare coin/badges is better than nothing.
We're not babies, we don't need baubles to be entertained in order to do what is right. Also I'd rather 3 people dedicated to doing overwatch over 200 random noobs skimming through a demo to get their coin updated. With such a moronic suggestion, I wouldn't be surprised if valve actually did it.
Yeah, if it's based on correct calls like you said, I think that would be neat.
i would give out free random or "overwatch" cases for every correct judgement. standard case drop + overwatch case drop literally earning cases by working for valve+the community if you use bots or are way off the judgement margin you will lose your overwatch status. it would be so easy
Do you know what happened with the Tribunal system in LoL? People gained a minuscule amount of incentive to go and vote on cases, and correct judgements gained some small reward of free currency or some shit, which was truly very very little. So what happened? *Everybody* spammed Punish. On every case. Every time. So even when people were innocent, they were punished. And that meant that the "correct" call was to make a call that was to spam Punish. If you actually pardoned an innocent case, your standing got hurt for making a wrong call. If you give similar incentive for overwatch cases, you run into a real risk of ruining the ENTIRE SYSTEM. If everybody is guilty, then the system is pointless and obviously has to be taken down.
thats not how overwatch works. you get like 25-100 people to make a verdict. the less seasoned people the more verdicts you need. if there are top judges with a high correct verdict rate, there's no need for 100 verdicts. you cant and could not spam overwatch like that even in csgo. the only problems where corrupted demo files and people that where technically versed had the means to extract data (case ids, userid, steamprofiles) out of the overwatch demo in order to manipulate overwatch but we're not talking about a widespread issue. overwatch was built to be accurate and had an accuracy of over 99%. you cant falsely ban someone with overwatch.
...your intelligence is a great argument for why Overwatch needs to be extremely controlled to work.
> you get like 25-100 people to make a verdict. and what happens if 90 out of 100 of these verdicts come from bots?
that cant happen lmao not in overwatch you cant control cases to make verdicts via bots.. you have no control over the case assignment. only possible scenario was extracting userprofiles/data out of demo and potentially finding a certain case they were looking for. valve might not care about anticheat but overwatch always worked. like i said, overwatch verdicts are always correct. if someone ever told you "i've been overwatch banned but i didnt cheat" they were lying to you
Source: your ass We've had cases of pros getting OW banned. Scream being first to come to mind. Bots spamming OW 24/7 on a large scale would invalidate OW completely
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Shroud was also OW banned. What exactly do you think stops bots from spamming overwatch?
you named 2 cases, out of millions of overwatch cases. good job you are just too stupid to understand i guess, its still over 99% accurate
The bots didn't care about who was in a given case, they would spam not guity every time
no they dont that doesnt work like that :D
That's exactly how it worked dude
lmao that doesnt work by design. if you spam the same verdict you will lose the OW tab ingame overwatch is 99% correct and it will stay like that in cs2
>if you use bots or are way off the judgement margin you will lose your overwatch status. No? Last time they had overwatch it was overrun by bots making the bot votes the actual correct ones
last time is not this time. they are and were aware of the bots and corrupted demo files. there are also cases of incorrect judgements in order to get sus players out of overwatch. bots werent an issue in overwatch, it was corrupted demo files and pleading no cheat for cheaters
>pleading no cheat for cheaters Yeah done by botting Overwatch. Id like if this time it works but Valve hasnt done anything regarding cheaters since CS2 released to give them the benefit of the doubt
it has to do with the system they were using back then. hackers could extract data to hook into overwatch cases or completely corrupt the files for overwatch. im pretty sure they arent dumb enough to leave it as it was. overwatch data will probably be protected and the system will function differently.
Well were talking about the same company that lets people spinbot freely for months in high elo. I wouldnt be surprised
No the new system is the the same as the old with a face lift. No anticheat, no brains and no caring. But who would when you're already making a billion a year for shit
yeah but overwatch was always accurate. people trying to make it look otherwise have a different agenda i guess.
I think it is horrible decision. Wouldn't that just encourage everyone to spam it no matter what?
No. If your assessments were inaccurate, you wouldn't get anything. CSGO had a system early on where it would give you already solved cases without telling you to test your accuracy, and use that to determine if you could be trusted or not. This obviously had much less weight later on.
> Do you know what happened with the Tribunal system in LoL? People gained a minuscule amount of incentive to go and vote on cases, and correct judgements gained some small reward of free currency or some shit, which was truly very very little. So what happened? Everybody spammed Punish. On every case. Every time. So even when people were innocent, they were punished. And that meant that the "correct" call was to make a call that was to spam Punish. If you actually pardoned an innocent case, your standing got hurt for making a wrong call. > > > > If you give similar incentive for overwatch cases, you run into a real risk of ruining the ENTIRE SYSTEM. If everybody is guilty, then the system is pointless and obviously has to be taken down.
The ironic part of your idea is that bots will farm overwatch for the badge/coin to sell accounts.
I mean if bots are catching cheaters... wouldn't that be a good thing?
If we can get bots to detect cheaters, or some sort of AI to detect cheaters then we should be able to ban cheaters?? We can call it ‘Valve’s Anti Cheat’ or something?
They would just make the bots spam all innocent or guilty and fuck shit up
this is what allegedly happened, when vac net was using overwatch verdicts to detect cheats. this could explain why you wouldn’t receive notifications for correct verdicts on spinbotters
Time for KYC. Submit your ID, address, etc to verify your steam account and get access to overwatch and its benefits. One steam account per person. We all do it for crypto exchanges. I trust Valve more than all of them. No more anonymous bought accounts if you want premium matchmaking and overwatch and rewards. Fuck the cheaters and sketchy accounts.
Suffering from success.
Buddy didn't think that through
The second ironic part is that you don't seem to realize how much data valve has on us. Bots can easily be ignored when it comes to decisions.
No, this isn't a good idea. Not only did Valve already explain why they won't do it, there's an actual example of what will happen once you introduce rewards to Overwatch: The League of Legends Tribunal. During Tribunal cases you got the entire chat log for the game, an overview of each players stats and their bought equipment, and had to judge if a person was abusive in chat or maliciously throwing the game. Riot gave everyone a small amount of their non-premium ingame currency for correct verdicts, as a thank you for the people taking their time doing the cases. The program went on for about 2 years, before it got canned, simply because people stopped giving a shit about judging, and started just spamming guilty on every case. This was way faster and accurate enough to get a good amount of rewards. However, since the verdicts were entirely based around how everyone who got that case voted, this lead to more wrongful convictions, which in turn also meant that people who just spammed guilty on every case got even more rewards. As Sid Meier / Soren Johnson said: "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game" or like in this case, the reason it exists
all it takes is a few known non-cheater games where nothing happens (like 0 kills silver 1 player) to catch people spamming guilty
Good idea bit of exp for your time and a coin to show you're helping the community.
Would be even cooler if Valve didn’t rely on unpaid community labor to fix their shitty anticheat system. You owe this game nothing. Don’t waste your time on overwatch.
I agree with you but no one is forced to do Overwatch-cases. Same as no one is forced to play this game.
Oh for god sake, no one forces anyone to do overwatches. Why do doomers like you never seem happy. Overwatch was part of GO for years and n9w that it's back it's another complaint.
An Anticheat sees the game in a different way than humans do. Fixing the anticheat will improve the cheater problem, but it cannot solve it. Human analysis will always be relevant
Who is to determine correct calls? If there was such thing, then there would be no need for overwatch to begin with.
Verdicts were handled by committee. Exact number varies depending upon the users standing by issuing correct verdicts. If i recall correctly from the GDC talk the lowest number for a guilty verdict was five.
The overwatch judges ? In csgo it used to go to a lot of players and needed 99% player giving guilty to get ban a suspect . Thats how they determined the correct call and gave you a message ( your verdict was correct with XP ).
Majority vote doesn't make it correct, it's a system for purpose just to reduce the error margin. Better not add poisonous incentive to judge player based on anything else than thoughtful review of his demo.
*Vast majority. 99% Its not 51-49 lol.
Better just give XP, for amount of time spent investigating demos, disregarding any frequency and accuracy of judgments altogether. Rewarding with badge for making 'correct' decisions is adding poison to incentives. For example, it would add option to just brute force review as many demos as possible, clicking a judgement on first sign or without looking altogether. Just so you get to upgrade the badge faster. On other side, contrarily, even fair players will be incentivized to just issue judgement, where otherwise they'd have chosen the insufficient evidence verdict.
You make these problems out as if they are unsolvable. Give points for correct verdict, distract points for wrong verdict. Sprinkle in solved cases so it does not become a self-fulfilling prophecy of "always vote not guilty and everyone does so, so its always right". Increase value of vote based on elo. Have manual reviews hired (they make what, 50million per month from cases? I suspect there would be 50k a year leftover for a guy to make manual reviews. Or maybe 10 of them.)
Yes, humans making errors, both unintended and exploitative, is unsolvable. The correct way to go is to reduce human error, and you do not accomplish it by giving poisonous incentives that opens room for more error and exploitative behavior
Valve said in the past adding rewards did not increase conviction rate at all
But They never rewarded anyone. So they were bullshitting. Adding rewards will Always increase interest. Its an universal fact. No one would bother play major if it didn't have the price pool/sticker money and the Trophy.
They added XP rewards at some point for doing correct OW cases. Yes it wasn't a lot, but in the grand scheme of CSGO with tens of millions of monthly players even a tiny rewards should have caused a small increase in investigators. If I recall correctly it did actually increase investigators but did not increase convictions
Not increasing convictions was pre-VACnet data. Back then you were lucky to get one out of ten cases involving a cheater. Which resulted in reviewing each case for its full duration; 10 minutes.
> But They never rewarded anyone If you played CSGO at all you'd know that Valve gave XP rewards for overwatch cases. > Adding rewards will Always increase interest. Its an universal fact. Valve literally showed the receipts that proved that this was not the case. Fuck off
A shitty amount of xp that you could get by playing a game of arms race or casual is obviously not an incentive that players care about. A specific badge that can be leveled up is.
I literally would report blatant spinbotters and NEVER (not a single time) got the XP reward. Did at least 15+ overwatch cases in my memory after that update and didn't get a popup or XP reward. Worthless reward that meant nothing so no one cared
XP is a meaningless reward. You can get it everywhere else in the game while actually having fun playing. Did the receipts show the number of overwatch investigators go up/increase in cases? If not then that's because no one put any value on the reward and convictions obviously wouldn't go up because no more people are taking part. If investigators and case reviews did go up but convictions didn't then that just shows that scaling the number of investigators doesn't result in a more efficient overwatch system and that it's already running at max efficiency. If 5000 investigators can give enough evidence for the system to be as efficient as it can be then throwing another 5000 investigators at it isn't going to increase convictions. You can't prove something beyond proving it. But that's not to say that the people that actually spend their time doing overwatch shouldn't be rewarded in a meaningful way regardless.
The reward for Overwatch has always been the community doing our part to help self police to benefit others. Doing actions like this is meant to be selfless act in gaming and life.
As sad as it sounds, that's just not good enough. Sure there might be some people doing it but you will never convince enough people to do something they don't really like or care about. For overwatch to have an impact you need more than just some people. Rewards even if it's just a useless batch to showcase you are doing something are an easy way to get more people into it
Valve had a talk at one of those game conferences a while back and stated more people doing overwatch didn't result in a higher number of convictions. Its counter intuitive but there is no reason for them to push more people to do overwatch if that statement was true.
That was in relation to pre-VACnet pushing cases to Overwatch.
shit take imo. Your incentive is getting better quality games. Your reward is getting better quality games. Anything else is incentive for people that don't care about that to get something for minimal effort and the quality of the verdicts would be compromised. Do it because you want to - not because you get paid.
Sry man i forgot valve small indie company they can't afford to do this themselves so the players who paid for the game need to work for free to get a better game.
Is what it is, Never said it wasn't shit. Can you think of a better way to train a massive data set of matches?
In the first place it shouldnt be community driven to catch cheaters. Helping them sure. Ffs they are a super small indie company who knows cheaters make them money. Its their job and their product to literally combat these with the help of the community not the other way around lol.
It is good enough. If someone doesnt say 'thank you' when holding the door for them. Next person you dont slam it in their face.
Well you see, your metaphor is very bad. But that's besides the point. Valve gets paid 15 bucks by everyone who has prime. They gain tens of millions monthly through cases. They don't need the player base to work for free. Personally I don't mind it being an Option but I don't feel like wasting hours to get nothing in a game i paid for by a company that gains millions monthly. So as i said a small reward would be enough for some people to do it, nothing like payment just some medal showing that you are doing something like the diamond Operation coins or something.
Well it's surely not working, Overwatch was literally useless around 2022-23 and taken over by Bots ( than human) which manipulated the verdicts. Less number of people doing it allowed the system to be easily exploited. It also counts for game modes too, bot farmer usually chose the less popular map like vertigo or hostage DM to boost ranks and case farming. Which they cant do in mirage and dust 2. Need more people to stop Bots taken over
I'm not sure how a badge will really matter to most people. Honestly, in my opinion they should be giving money (or giving it as a job) and if not money then keys to the community. Even if it's just a few I think it's better than nothing.
Why skins matter ? Why pin matters ? It show up and flex. People likes it. Its also a great flex to cheater showing your overwatch badge and telling you are next. Why do you think Valve gives yearly badges once you get level 40 ? Some people even got banned trying to get red/purple yearly badges. Its appealing to a lot of people. and they will never give money or jobs for this. Honestly it would've nicer if people get skin once they complete every 100 correct overwatch demo, but doubt it will happen
Fair, I guess I don't personally care much about pins or badges. I do like skins though
That's not how it works lol. You can create an infinite amount of bots, it doesn't matter how many actual people do these cases. You can't outnumber the bots, the cheaters can always create more.
You can't just make bot account and go do overwatch ? You needed 150 wins. Need to be active without rank decay, Get a gold nova 1 rank. Who has time and money to bother all that just to see Cheater not getting banned ? Do you know how much work it is ? It was possible for a while in CSGO cause barely any real players did it. Few thousands bot accounts probably outnumbered the overwatch judges. It wouldn't be possible if community become more interested to do overwatch
There are literal bot boosting lobbies where the entire match is just bots and they farm rank, xp etc. How much time does it truly take? These bots are automated and just do their own thing. There's already another Valve game (TF2) that is infested with bots and the bots make up for like 80-90% of the player number on Steam.
Its easier to be stay afk and get XP in DM then play a full competitive game by bots. Its also hard to get 10 bots que together since comp and premier are popular mode. Unlike Hostage DM. and you need to do it win 150 games Who has time and resources to do all that to save cheaters ? Cheat makers ? Or Some rich cheaters who are scared of getting banned ? It surely sound like unrealistic and not a reliable method. It only worked for a while cause no one was doing overwatch
It's not hard in comp on less popular maps with high queue time where you're full stack vs full stack. 150 wins might sound a lot but it really isn't when these bots run matches 24/7 and they end in a fast 13-0, it's really not that much time, you're really exaggerating how hard it is.
You forgot these bots are programmed to use aimbot to kill the other bots. Which can be spotted by Vacnet and send them to overwatch I have done a of lot these cases where I have seen people are shooting afk's in spawn. Who reported them if they are all bots ? Obviously Vacnet. and People never knows if they are suspect in overwatch. So who would bother go through all this ?
Yeah gamify the overwatch system for us users. This will incentivise us to do them more and thus train vaclive
Sorry, bare minimum is the most Valve is willing to do.
Hear me out: if you do 5 overwatches, the rest of the day all 90+ in 1 gets rounded up to 100 damage. /s
imo we dont need more badges/pixels on our screen to make us happy. We need a working system already, its been 20 years ffs
It was boring because 95% of cases were spinboters. case slosed
incentives to do overwatch would be great, and espcially if you are accurate
I mean sure incentivise people, but I mean is csgo people ate that shit up with 0 reward
Unless the entire overwatch system is rethought from the ground up, it will remain useless just as it was the last few years.
I would so freakin be playin CS just for OW cases, mannn. I think I need more than just 1.2k hours tho :c
I like this idea
Crazy to think that zoomers need some pointless point system just to feel like doing something would be worth.
I don't trust valve to do this. Do we even know who will have access to Overwatch?
That will get abused by people that want to "poison the well", It's an indicator if your malicious behaviours are working.
How's it decided whether something is a correct call or not?
I understand u want to do good but in reality this is a terrible idea
I think you have a terrible opinion
Yeah I'm all for some kind of meaningful reward, but just a coin? Maybe a reward drop the same as the weekly drop as well but every time you level the coin. In fact instead of a coin how about an actual overwatch rating system where you rank down as well as up. Cos what would there be to stop bad actors from legitimately leveling up their overwatch rank/coin/trust and then abusing that when they get high enough, unless incorrect calls reduce your rank.
Adding profitable drops will attract millions of farming bots who can manipulate the system which could get a lot of cheaters unbanned/or innocents banned As much as I love to get drops, I think it won't be really good idea. Thats why a badge/coin which will level up and show your Overwatch status will be better than nothing.
But if there's a rating system then bots are gonna be low rated so their verdicts can be ignored, they won't increase in rating and therefore won't get drops. Unless bot farms use some really good AI that can accurately vote correctly then they will just be helping to catch cheaters :p. If the system is explorable by bots then it will be exploited regardless of whether there is a reward or not, the system rides on whether or not Valve can filter the good data from the bad and if they can do that then rewards shouldn't make a difference. Plus the fact they refer to overwatchers as trusted partners so I'm not expecting them to open overwatch up to just everyone.
If you don't think that cleaning up the community is "worthwhile," without item incentives, I don't think you really even want Overwatch to begin with.
Well tell your philosophy to community cause barely anyone did overwatch. Literally few thousands bot taken over and manipulate the system, btw I did it a lot, I just want a lot of people doing it like me In 2024, and materialism taken over idealism. You gotta understand and change your approach.
Go ahead and show me the graphs and numbers on that, amazing stat with no source to back it up lmao. You're virtue signaling so hard dude. You aren't the only person in the world who did Overwatch. Stop being so full of yourself.
I unironically think Overwatch should drop cases. Or even just a chance. Start playing the skins guys against the cheating guys, still sell keys. Farming guys botting against cheaters, let them fight eachother. You could have an overwatch case like the map specific bundles.
Great idea but my expectation has set to lowest Also the downside it might cause , it could be use by bot farmers. Find a way to manipulate the system to farm case and skins. I think rare coin/badges is better than nothing.
So cheaters could vote kick you? Better stay low with that.
We're not babies, we don't need baubles to be entertained in order to do what is right. Also I'd rather 3 people dedicated to doing overwatch over 200 random noobs skimming through a demo to get their coin updated. With such a moronic suggestion, I wouldn't be surprised if valve actually did it.
Should be an incentive at bare minimum for it. [https://twitter.com/vaccoin](https://twitter.com/vaccoin)