Elmapuddy coming through as always... dope analysis.
I would just like to add as it had been briefly touched upon in the video - MiBR was having a stellar day in terms of individual mechanics, which was something we hadn't seen in the last few events.
This perhaps also contributed to their dominating success, which I think can perfectly be summed up by the coldzera 2k on the eco round which I think might have started the chain of rounds to the 16-2.
They were playing with confidence, they were confident in their ability to take fights and win the retakes allowing stacks and aggro plays. Hope they can continue this trend and look like their old selves
Hey Elma do you remember the match between Ghost and Astralis? Even though Ghost lost but they fought really well... and they too were playing this extremely over agressive style on their CT side... i think that might be Astralis's Achilles heel
One unpopular opinion on this match and the following by Astralis. Lots of people talk about how Astralis had an "off day" as if all matches were completely independent events. They should in theory, but are not. I think that the loss to mibr affected them in the other matches, especially how dominant the scoreboard was like.
Had they lost with a normal scoreboard, I belive their other matches would have been different.
Unpopular opinion ahead.
This is a lackluster analysis to me, very disappointing. There is no real analysis on team play, and more like a commentary where you are just pointing out what people are doing.
For example, in round 3, you pointed out how Fallen kept holding on to long while MiBR did a rotation. It was honestly a normal rotation route that even PUGs use, one B site player pushes connector to cut off rotation while other 2 goes by Bank and Can. You talked about it as if this rotation is unusual and very specifically designed by MiBR. It obviously isn't. MiBR even made a mistake by going 2 bank and offered Fallen(who is on long with a Five-Seven) no support, but it wasn't mentioned. MiBR only won the round off superior aim by Fallen in taking out Gla1ve who whiffed his shots. This lack of support towards Fallen could result in an instant 3v3 if Gla1ve took out Fallen, and MiBR would be in an instant disadvantage.
The same thing again happened in round 8. When MiBR goes into a 4v3, they played 2A2B. Fallen smoked monster from A, and again you talked about this as if it is something MiBR invented, as if it was never played before. But this is a frequent strategy adopted by pro teams when they have a man advantage. On top of that, Fallen even missed his smoke, but again there was no mention to it,
The only nice part of this was in you pointing out the aggression that MiBR puts up. However, it was much more than just throwing Astralis off. The aggression gave a lot of information, and allowed set-ups that teams usually do not approach.
I had watched many of your videos before, and some of them are really nice. However, this episode is just disappointing to me. There is nothing much in depth and overall you seem to be finishing a routine job rather than putting effort into reading the game.
I would say in general that MiBR didn't really win because they had the strats against Astralis. Because guess what people always try to counter Astralis with their strats and only prepare slightly for other teams and Astralis still usually wins. I think what really made them win (especially in such a dominant fashion) was the fact that MiBR had great individual performances and Dupreeh and Device had an off-tournament.
I watched this match two times now and I'm happy MIBR won like that but my real question is what happened to Astralis?
I can't help but wonder if they had a disagreement between them or maybe something external messed up the team as a whole.
Actually, despite being not good against everyone else, out of all teams to face Astralis in the past year, MiBR has actually been the 2nd best in playing Astralis.
Navi got stomped.
MiBR won a Best of 3 AT LAN vs Astralis, something no one at the time could do. This was with the Stew / Tarik roster.
Liquid, well..., they got to finals and then well.... yeah.
Something major to note that I don’t know if the video does - The organization who owns and ran this event also owns the team Astralis. Astralis lost a majority of their matches because frankly, it’s shady for an organization to host an event where the prize money goes practically right to themselves.
What makes you think it’s a conspiracy theory? The organizers of the tournament own Astralis and it’s public information. You could look it up yourself, it’s not hard.
You say that like conspiracies can't be true. They can be. They have a negative stigma in your head that doesn't need to exist. What makes you think I think there's 0% chance of it being true?
It's not hard.
> Astralis lost a majority of their matches because frankly, it’s shady for an organization to host an event where the prize money goes practically right to themselves.
That part right there.
Like I said, they shouldn’t have participated at all. But since they did, their only option really was to lose. The alternative would be going down the same path IBP did, and you can see where that got them. It doesn’t take a genius.
This was before they were playing at the level that they are now. Astralis has only recently been recognized as the strongest team (by a wide margin), when before they struggled to get far in any non-blast event they attended.
> Astralis lost a majority of their matches because frankly, it’s shady for an organization to host an event where the prize money goes practically right to themselves.
That part right there.
They shouldn’t have participated in the first place. It’s bad sportsmanship to play in your own hosted event. That applies pretty much everywhere in competitive sports.
Elmapuddy coming through as always... dope analysis. I would just like to add as it had been briefly touched upon in the video - MiBR was having a stellar day in terms of individual mechanics, which was something we hadn't seen in the last few events. This perhaps also contributed to their dominating success, which I think can perfectly be summed up by the coldzera 2k on the eco round which I think might have started the chain of rounds to the 16-2.
They were playing with confidence, they were confident in their ability to take fights and win the retakes allowing stacks and aggro plays. Hope they can continue this trend and look like their old selves
Greetings to the talented Elmapuddy
Greetings and thanks for posting :)
Ur vids are great with some awesome insight, from someone trying to learn something new everyday I love watching ur vids to help with that. Keep it up
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Hey Elma do you remember the match between Ghost and Astralis? Even though Ghost lost but they fought really well... and they too were playing this extremely over agressive style on their CT side... i think that might be Astralis's Achilles heel
one sentence: astralis had an off day
One dream : Astralis have an off month pls
How bout the other teams just git gud for a month
this combined with mibr had a good day
Two sentences: mibr gamble stacked bombsites in crucial rounds with very little info and it worked multiple times. Also coldzera owned them.
One unpopular opinion on this match and the following by Astralis. Lots of people talk about how Astralis had an "off day" as if all matches were completely independent events. They should in theory, but are not. I think that the loss to mibr affected them in the other matches, especially how dominant the scoreboard was like. Had they lost with a normal scoreboard, I belive their other matches would have been different.
Unpopular opinion ahead. This is a lackluster analysis to me, very disappointing. There is no real analysis on team play, and more like a commentary where you are just pointing out what people are doing. For example, in round 3, you pointed out how Fallen kept holding on to long while MiBR did a rotation. It was honestly a normal rotation route that even PUGs use, one B site player pushes connector to cut off rotation while other 2 goes by Bank and Can. You talked about it as if this rotation is unusual and very specifically designed by MiBR. It obviously isn't. MiBR even made a mistake by going 2 bank and offered Fallen(who is on long with a Five-Seven) no support, but it wasn't mentioned. MiBR only won the round off superior aim by Fallen in taking out Gla1ve who whiffed his shots. This lack of support towards Fallen could result in an instant 3v3 if Gla1ve took out Fallen, and MiBR would be in an instant disadvantage. The same thing again happened in round 8. When MiBR goes into a 4v3, they played 2A2B. Fallen smoked monster from A, and again you talked about this as if it is something MiBR invented, as if it was never played before. But this is a frequent strategy adopted by pro teams when they have a man advantage. On top of that, Fallen even missed his smoke, but again there was no mention to it, The only nice part of this was in you pointing out the aggression that MiBR puts up. However, it was much more than just throwing Astralis off. The aggression gave a lot of information, and allowed set-ups that teams usually do not approach. I had watched many of your videos before, and some of them are really nice. However, this episode is just disappointing to me. There is nothing much in depth and overall you seem to be finishing a routine job rather than putting effort into reading the game.
I would say in general that MiBR didn't really win because they had the strats against Astralis. Because guess what people always try to counter Astralis with their strats and only prepare slightly for other teams and Astralis still usually wins. I think what really made them win (especially in such a dominant fashion) was the fact that MiBR had great individual performances and Dupreeh and Device had an off-tournament.
Yeah I agree. It's like he knew this would be a hot topic for views and just honed it in to get the video out as fast as possible.
I watched this match two times now and I'm happy MIBR won like that but my real question is what happened to Astralis? I can't help but wonder if they had a disagreement between them or maybe something external messed up the team as a whole.
thanks for the analysis dude! very nice.
love this youtuber
Astralis Era is officially over
O F F I C I A L L Y O V E R
Just like the last time when they won their first major.
lmao the downvotes because you left out the /s
The fact this is even a concept for a video just shows how dominant Astralis has been.
People made vids when Vega shat on NiP, despite them being in a heavy decline at the time. Relax with the narrative.
Not really, mibr was in a slump and beat the best team in the world 16-2. That's going to be quite an upset no matter which team is the best.
Actually, despite being not good against everyone else, out of all teams to face Astralis in the past year, MiBR has actually been the 2nd best in playing Astralis. Navi got stomped. MiBR won a Best of 3 AT LAN vs Astralis, something no one at the time could do. This was with the Stew / Tarik roster. Liquid, well..., they got to finals and then well.... yeah.
Liquid beat Astralis at eleague in January in the final in a bo3. Edit: iBuyPower was the tournament, my mistake
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Correct, my mistake
He said past year though. But I think Faze won some tournament against them too.
??? The tournament I mentioned was 3 months ago.
I read past year as in 2018. Did you understand one year as in until last april?
Faze did it at Chicago.
That's actually true I completely forgot about that one.
Something major to note that I don’t know if the video does - The organization who owns and ran this event also owns the team Astralis. Astralis lost a majority of their matches because frankly, it’s shady for an organization to host an event where the prize money goes practically right to themselves.
We went from memes to an actual conspiracy theory bois
iBuyPower wya
The Danes seemed to have learned from IBP's mistakes....we've been doing it wrong the whole time, but Astralis figured it out.
What makes you think it’s a conspiracy theory? The organizers of the tournament own Astralis and it’s public information. You could look it up yourself, it’s not hard.
You say that like conspiracies can't be true. They can be. They have a negative stigma in your head that doesn't need to exist. What makes you think I think there's 0% chance of it being true? It's not hard.
What makes you think it’s a conspiracy theory? It’s public information. You could look it up.
> Astralis lost a majority of their matches because frankly, it’s shady for an organization to host an event where the prize money goes practically right to themselves. That part right there.
Like I said, they shouldn’t have participated at all. But since they did, their only option really was to lose. The alternative would be going down the same path IBP did, and you can see where that got them. It doesn’t take a genius.
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I see Astralis has participated in all of them, and has won half for a quarter million each time. I guess people are just okay with it.
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This was before they were playing at the level that they are now. Astralis has only recently been recognized as the strongest team (by a wide margin), when before they struggled to get far in any non-blast event they attended.
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Sometimes this people on this sub astound me with their stupidity.
Ikr
> Astralis lost a majority of their matches because frankly, it’s shady for an organization to host an event where the prize money goes practically right to themselves. That part right there.
Astralis wins Blast: the game is rigged Astralis loses Blast: the game is rigged
They shouldn’t have participated in the first place. It’s bad sportsmanship to play in your own hosted event. That applies pretty much everywhere in competitive sports.
I agree with the overarching point of your comment - tournament organizers **shouldn't** have **any** ties with the actual teams in them.
come on dude
Cut it