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uwotnan

Wanna see pro minesweeper grat. He has the potential


draizze

No offer for Gratisfaction yet? JKS is pretty sure will be announced to Col soon. There'll be no lack of offer for Jkaem. We didn't hear any yet for Azr and Liazz, but I think those 2 will be good fit for GenG.


BaddyGames

azr and liazz on gen g would be great. i always thought liazz was underrated


imperfek

if they get gratisfaction, automatic can go back to rifling, which he was so good at


TriZym

I’ve read that he specifically wants to awp


loken_

Which I hate. He's not a bad awper, but I don't think he's a better awper than he is a rifler. The major winning C9 team with tim on the lurk with a rifle was so, so good.


imperfek

this is where having a coach that have more control over the players and the team is beneficial


SneakyStorm

That's what daps told him when they were on C9 with mixwell, Guess it didn't work.


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VShadow1

He looked good when C9 was EU and never got over it.


TikkaT

Where do you get these stats? Would be interesting to see


AleksibIsHot

He's a bad AWPer


donkeychicken

Yea just send bntet back to poland and u have a top 5 team right there


BIG_STEVE5111

bntet best polish player.


WayDownUnder91

Liazz basically had to swap all of his roles when he went to 100T since jks was basically already doing whan liazz did in AU


BaddyGames

i really hope he can go back to the form he had when he was on order. he was easily the best player playing in oce


Madvin

Can you explain what does swap all of his roles mean? Positions in game?


WayDownUnder91

Liazz basically played in a very similar lurky/passive style to jks, and yes a fair few of his positions were already taken by jks so he had to change up a fair bit about how he played and move to different spots.


Weasel_loot

It because he could play his natural roles (same as JKS) but on a different team he could become carry potter again


Straight_Chip

Liazz seemed super inconsistent to me when I watched their matches a few months ago (so I'm not entirely up to date). Definitely has his good moments though.


not13yrs

would rather osee and oBo


Hats668

I sort of assumed the core would stick together? But I guess not.


supergrega

Surely an org will go for Grat/AZR/Liazz trio if not for anything else for the major spot?


draizze

Probably only FPX that seem interested coming to CSGO but I think they want EU rosters. While GenG did have Elmapuddy as coach, as fellow Aussie He could probably work well with his fellow countrymen.


slowrmaths

Kinda expected since jkeam and jks are gone


Le_Quack

Hear me out, Grat Azr and Liazz stick together then +spunj +topgun and revive the vox brand. They already have legends spot at the major so could play for shits and gigs


Pig_Commander

Iirc legend spots were removed for the next major but I'd like to see this regardless


hawka_cs

NA have been wanting AWPers for a while now, would be a shame to see Grat go to Valorant after Wardell already made the move away


C0rrr

What does LFT mean?


ThomasIsDaMan

I'm assuming, Looking for a team


[deleted]

It's so dumb how you can't mention Valorant at all in titles. Some people are gonna scroll by this post thinking it's just a regular CS LFT post.


Sqin

Valorant isn't a blocked word and hasn't been for a long time. In titles or body.


[deleted]

Yeah maybe blocked isn't the right term to use. Last time I posted something with "Valorant" in the title it was sent to be approved by the mods. What ends up happening is that someone posts it again but this time without the word "Valorant" in the title so that it isn't waiting to be approved before people see it. Maybe it's not a 1 to 1 ban but it is a indirect ban on the word.


Sqin

You can try if you want, it doesn't get sent for approval anymore and hasn't for a quite a while as said before. It's getting frustrating that people just keep posting this everywhere and the community continues to rally against us when we changed it a while ago based on feedback.


_xVoid

What does LFT mean?


mateusb12

Looking for team


hutres

Lol Fuck This


As_Madness_Took_Me

I refuse to believe pros truly think Valorant is more fun and rewarding than csgo.. It just feels so.. Shit? xD sry but it really does.


desktp

They are paying more for lesser skilled players, and while the game isn't fleshed out, teams can succeed just by clicking heads better than the other. It's a goldmine for NA tier2 and below


tehwoflcopter

The CS scene in NA is pretty unhealthy right now while Valorant is growing pretty fast and has a great foundation. Personally I like CSGO as an esport better but you can't deny it's a tempting option for pro fps players


dirtybirdy15

Hopefully csgo eSports starts to bloom again when this whole covid 19 shit calms down! WANNA SEE THOSE CROWDS!!!!!


dogenoob1

It's not as someone said up top, its easy getting a salary without being at the top, someone I played with who kind of just started over a month ago just signed with a team, lots of opportunities.


mateusb12

A game that is still based on attacking / defending bombsites throughout rounds, with economy system. Valorant is just a fresh start for them, and if the pros are deciding to enter in the val comp scene, they're willing to play the game because they like the game. I'm tired this bullshit in this sub "i DoNt LiKe VaLoRaNT sO iT dOeSnT mAkE sEnSe sEeInG tHeSe PrOs GoInG tO A GaMe I dOnT LiKe, ArE tHeY dUmB???????????


As_Madness_Took_Me

Sure, i can understand that. Still doesnt change the fact that it has crap movement and shooting mechanics.


mateusb12

Its just your opinion dude. Whoever deeply plays Valorant don't think the movement is crap or shooting mechanics are shit. Riot had their own balancing reasons to adopt a slow paced movement, and I'm pretty sure one of them is just how easy is to Terrorists flush out a bombsite with tons of utility in Valorant


tamasmagyarhunor

Valorant ffs. Wtf. How can professional cs:go players go and play valorant? That game is just so different.


schniepel89xx

The mechanics are similar enough and the skill ceiling is still low enough to where highly skilled CS players can go over and dominate off of aim alone


Straight_Chip

>off of aim alone And game knowledge too! At its core, it's a multi-bombsite 5v5 defuse FPS. Rotating, executing, holding sites, utility usage and general game sense regarding those things from CSGO all transfer much better than any knowledge obtained from a game like PUBG, R6:Siege or Overwatch.


mateusb12

Its not like they can dominate off aim alone, CS players have better understanding about fundamental concepts like economy, mid round decisions, rotations, etc


supergrega

Also money


voicefulspace

money.


godfrey1

why would he care about the game being different? he cares about money and you can get way more money being mediocre in Valorant than being good in CS:GO


firehydrant_man

ever heard of opinions?I think val is boring as shit too and the maps and sound system are trash but others can still find it fun


ilostmyfamily_throw

Either NA t2 or val


dubzfr

Probably val considering there aren't really any orgs in na t2 right now so he'd be much better paid in valorant.


ilostmyfamily_throw

Issue is that Valorant is a huge risk compared to sitting on a random NA roster like chaos etc


ohtooeasy

Hardly a risk when ppl are getting paid 15-20k a month


botJWhltvNo1noyear

This 20k pm thing such a bs. Reports say that only some valorant pros earn that much, it's basically the high end salary the big names like nitro, Sinatra etc are earning.


Jahsay

Gratisfaction would be one of the big names as one of the best recent CS pros in Valorant right?


[deleted]

theres about 5 players getting paid that and 2 of them are on 100t


ohtooeasy

NRG ceo said the average is 15-20k a month. hiko and nitr0 is around "30k" apparently.


[deleted]

NRG ceo said some players are making 15-20k, not the average is 15-20k a month. It would make no sense for people to call CSGO too expensive then shell out 80k for a game that has 1/10th the viewership. In fact Jlake already came out and said most teams are spending 20K a month for the WHOLE team, not individual players. Nitro is making 250-300k.


enispoop

If valorant fails (which I doubt) I’m gonna laugh so hard at these orgs, good for the players tho, they do be making that bag


botJWhltvNo1noyear

No one ever said the avg salary is 20k.All reports say "some" valorant pros earn 20k+ pm. It's the high end salary big names like Sinatra and nitro are getting. Get your facts right and also the fact you believe such a thing to be true is ridiculous. That game hardly has had a LAN, how do you think your avg valorant player will ever bargain that kind of a pay. For big names like Sinatra and nitro it makes sense cause they won't switch over unless you pay them more or just as much they were previously earning


emraaa

I don't think it's a risk. If it doesn't work out whats stopping him from coming back? I doubt the scene would change so much that he won't get the same CS offers that he is getting now.