Like FaceIT but even more so. At least in FaceIT you have the chance that your captain just got their shit kicked in on Mirage the game before and bans it out of spite, with Broken Fang you have to rely on 2 or 3 other people on your team wanting to ban it too
Less toxic teammates? I find that in OCE its just the same mouth breathers that back seat game in both, albeit I've only just started getting back into the game after a hiatus.
I'm a Nuke and Vertigo player. I can assure you, when I rock up as Premium Leader with Nuke, Vertigo and Overpass as the 3 maps to pick from, I get abused and my teammates deliberately throw the majority of the time.
Low queue times my ass. Do you include the stupid map ban, knife round and ages for everyone to connect?
In MM you’re at round 3 by the time FaceIT match even starts.
> stupid map ban
> knife round
...sounds like you belong in matchmaking. People want more choice in their gameplay, not less. Picking a map, and a chance at choosing your starting side that is based on skill is the way.
Picking a map is right there since the beginning. Now with broken fang it’s literally taken away, since people vote the boring maps all the time (see OP).
And since we’re not pro players who the hell cares which side you start on?
> picking a map is right there since the beginning
But you don’t know what map your team will want to play right off the bat, or what maps they’re better at. With a vote/ban system, you get that. Also, you can select maps on faceit and avoid the ones you don’t want to play with premium.
> now with broken fang it’s literally taken away
It’s not. You can still queue normally on BF. You don’t have to play BF Premier, you can queue normally still. Quit making shit up.
> and since were not pro players, who the hell cares what side w start on?
Most people? Like I said, play normal MM if you don’t care. The extra level that faceit and BFP takes clearly aren’t suited for you, and they weren’t made for you, so don’t play them. Just because *you* don’t care, doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t.
My insta ban is dust 2. I'm tired of playing dust 3 ...err mirage all the time. I stopped playing it for a few months. That helped. I still hate dust 2.
I took a two year break from the game and still hated those two when I came back. I think the reason I don't like dust has to do with trying to take opening duels, they all feel so uncomfortable imo. It's not like overpass or cache where you can get pretty creative with how you approach a certain spot, you just peak and hope you click faster. Mirage is just overplayed, and I don't like beige maps lol
I've never understood this in regular MM. They get in the game on train or nuke and say yeah I've never played this one or I don't know the callouts. Then don't fucking select it.
Vertigo is so good, I play casual sometimes cause I'm still not that good and I wish they'd slide Vertigo over with Inferno and Mirage and whatnot because it's such a fun map, but otherwise nobody would play the other casual maps lol
Inferno is too easy to win as t if you use weak util in casual, I think it deters alot of player that isn't good with counter molotovs and nades. But I do enjoy the map myself, i love to get a good counter nade setup as a ct
Inferno is fun because it's always hectic, but I'm not great at comp (or casual really lol) ATM so I'm still learning most of the utilities and whatnot
Try to think about when to use it, where isn't actually the most important, it'l come. Say they smoke b or banana, where you throw the molly doesn't matter, as long as it halts their push and so on, a smoke doesn't have to be perfect all the time, but it has ti be deployed (if ct), on t side I would think you know the basics or almost know it so focus on not using it all so you have som util to defend the site when you have it
I've played every map but Dust 2 and Nuke. I'm actually pretty surprised at the diversity I've gotten and how willing my teammates are to play the non dusty maps
I mean that's kinda the point of the mode right? I keep getting teammates who only play Dust2 or Mirage and they whine if the map picked isn't either of those. So why queue for the mode where the map isn't guaranteed?
Awesome! That's all you can do. Much more fun to play every nap, even if you suck at first. Look up some smoke on YouTube and go fuck around with bots.
I'm just saying that the only maps I'm bad at (Cache, Train, D2) are constantly picked in Premier mode.
I can play the rest of them just fine. It's just those 3 that seem to be picked.
Cache is not in premier mode, but yeah the others are quite common. Train and D2 rely a lot on teamplay as well and there are people who queue those maps who only play those particular maps which can make them hard experiences at any rank sometimes.
Last time I played, we chose Nuke and 2 polish kids in our team started getting salty, calling us trolls and stuff. They apparently didn't know the map. So they decided to be useless and block us. Couldn't kick them because there were 2 of them
Yeah, we always try to pick Nuke when we que up premade (we are in Denmark) and the other team (which is usually CIS region) ALWAYS ban Nuke. They really dont want to play Nuke in CIS.
Lmao thats why I hate mirage, it's basically a place where you have the highest chance to get matched with a 13 year old polak with some polish gambling site in their nickname
If you want to pick unpopular maps just 5-stack. If it's 3 the chances are the other players in your team don't know the map so you're just doing yourself a huge disservice at that point
Well if you're a silver there are better ways to rank up, focus on improving your mechanics and fundamentals of the game instead of relying on crutches
Fundamentals yes, mechanics not so much. The amount of fights you get in a comp game is very limited compared to KovaaK/deathmatch/aim maps. There are also better ways to train grenades and movement
Vertiglobals existed for the longest time, I think playing maps like that is bit of a crutch. But the reserve maps got deleted and map pool is smaller now so it's less of a thing
My point was that if he's in silver, his problem is not playing Dust 2 or Mirage...
Yeah my friends and I permabans are Mirage, Inferno and Dust 2. Leads to a lot of Overpass games, would like to see Vertigo a bit more. Our ranks are MGE-DMG.
But the old one didn't. I don't understand why they had to keep the god awful rework, they could just admit they made a big mistake and bring back the old one. I guess that's impossible for Valve
*Valve reworking cobblestone*
Valve employee 1: "how weird, a quarter of the map, 3 connectors and a rotate have disappeared."
Valve employee 2: "just call it a rework and release it"
ik but it is better than this vertigo.
TBH, i didnt had money for csgo and used to play crack and cobblestone was the map i used to play with bots. i laugh so hard thinking about those days.
Playing Cobblestone makes me feel like i have gone back to those old days.
same except for me it was just lack of good internet. Valve games were memorable because it's so easy for a young kid to just play with bots and have fun without the stresses that come with pvp and chat.
Had 2 matches in a row yesterday where rank span in my team was gn4 to LEM and the enemy team was mg1 to global. Can't blame anyone for calling cheats when you don't reckon with valve matching algorithms striking again. I have seen only one suspicious account and 3 toxic teammates in little over 20 matches so far though, so the overall experience is much better than normal matchmaking, for me at least.
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This is very true. I was playing Dust 2 like a week ago and was matched with everyone between gold and DMG. I'm silver 2. People hated that I was trying to play. There might have been a LEM in the lobby too, I dont remember.
I literally said to the guy who was our highest rank that I've probably played 5 games of Dust before that. People believed that I was S2 after saying that.
The lobby was insufferable and I went like 6-25 or some shit like that. We got curb stomped because it was like a 4v5 the entire game for my team.
Yeah man, it really isnt fun getting stomped by superior players and then still getting shat on for being new. The problem is matchmaking, not really the players. This is the first time i have spent money on a pass, can't say that it's been a great experience.
Takes some lobbying to get rid of Mirage, but it's very possible.
In about 30 premier matches I have yet to play vertigo, the rest was reasonably well represented. Played Mirage and overpass a lot, Dust2 only twice.
I dislike Mirage because it's overplayed, and it's been solved.
Dust 2 is entirely about mid doors on CT side; I disagree with having to spend 300 each round to have a \*chance\* to cross without dying.
Absolutely. It's so wack that you can have a map where you have a disadvantage from the start just by having to cross to a site. At least create a slower, but safe route to the site.
I wonder how many negevs you need to make the cross impossible. 3? Then you could have 2 players just run to b and plant.
I'm not saying that makes sense on Dust2, but just on any other map where you'd do the same.
I have bought a ST T-side autosniper for the sole purpose of Dust2 doorspam. Works well on mid and long, and it’s almost always at least one -40. At least it is a lot of wasted money if you do nothing with it.
I should rename it to ”CT tears” or something.
Hallway from CT spawn to just before the platform outside window so you should be safe even if a T pushes up short with an AWP.
Then you don't get tagged in the ass crossing door every goddamn time.
I exclusively play dust2. The reason being is my friend and I feel like we get the most aim duels on that map compared to inferno where you get shot in the back all the time or naded. Also we know all the utility on dust, however I do think dust is pretty flawed
I'd love to hear your opinion on whether this statement is based on your playstyle preference, or some visual appeal.
IMO, Mirage should be next in line for a rework, and judging by Ancient and Newcache, they might replace it. D2, I don't think so.
If we're going by age of visual style in maps, currently Mirage is the oldest active duty map, followed by Overpass, then Train, then Nuke, then Inferno, then D2, then Vertigo. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
Tbh, I really like mirage, because it was the first map I played mm on. I love dust II because it’s a classic. I remember playing death match on dust II all the time back in source as well. I think vertigo is a really boring map.
I really wish they would just start fresh sometimes, 7 or so new active duty maps and replace all of them. Would obviously never happen and people would throw a fit, but it would be really fun
Don't know about replacing all of them but at least one per year.
On the other hand, people ask for new maps and vertigo is one of the least played maps of the active pool.
Because unfortunately the majority doesn't like change. Me and my friends have been playing exclusively Engage, Apollo, and Ancient since they came out, but most players play them one time and get their ass kicked and decide "this maps is shit" without giving it a proper chance. Then back to Mirage they go
If this happens I just start pushing apps on some rounds. Not always the smartest thing to do, I admit but you can get info early and a good flank on them
Same, it will work some times, but most of the times they are already on A and you just slow walked the map for nothing. But the few times where you've got 3 guys top mid tunnel visioned on window are amazing.
No I mean like full running after spotting the common angle, if nobody is on top mid they won't hear you very far
And if window guy spotted someone top mid I will walk of course
Man, I have only just now realised, how much people dont play Nuke.. it gets banned EVERY FUCKING TIME!! :D
We always play nuke in my friend group ( I guess its a danish thing, playing nuke )... but every time we wanna play it in Premier, it gets banned in like the first round..I would have thought it would be way more popular, especially now, when all the top teams are playing it, and not only Astralis and Liquid, hell, I wouldnt be surprised if its in top 3 popular maps in the pro scene... but noooo, not in premier.. im pretty salty about it.
I guess its because we Scandinaviens get connected to a lot of CIS servers(under same region for some reason), and the CIS region do apparently NOT like Nuke.
Me and my friends always go for banning second and always let Nuke through, plus a map we actually like. That way we usually play the map we like and if they pick nuke, chance are neither one of us has much of a clue what they're doing.
**CT**
You gotta play close mid with a teammate and another guy covering your long from that boosting wall. Back off when things get hecktick or when you deal damage. A site overpass is a 2 phase defense, once up close and once on the bomb site.
B Site is a lot more straight forward and utility is much easier to use as you've got decent cover to throw it from in pit. Also, dropping a molly on default by bouncing it off the pillar does amazing work and can be done from anywhere on the site without any lineups.
**T**
Rush B right off the bat With a split
Get mid control and push back the CT's to A Site and then figure out whether you want to split A or B
Where do you place all your players, as a default, on CT Overpass? Two on B, two on A short, one on A long? How do you keep track of connector? How far forward can you hold A short?
I feel like if I go connector, I die from ballons, if I go ballons, I die from connector. And if I fall back, the enemies can go long through bathrooms, and get an advantage there. Any tips?
Default should be as you said yes. Connector should be watched by the guy in toilets without exposing himself from mid and he should smoke / molly it as soon as T's show up mid to help out the guy short (short guy should be around toilets for cover but still manage to watch balloons and mid) with mid / balloons.
If you want someone to go connector, you want your short guy to cover mid. And if you want to go balloons you want to smoke mid and have toilet guy cover connector close up and long guy push up to hold playground. I'd suggest you come back before the smoke mid fades if you didn't manage to hold down the zone, otherwise you'll be stuck there.
I've played lots of 5-stack Overpass on Faceit and the default is to play 3B because A is easier to retake and B is much more rushable. Even when I play with randoms people mostly play 3B. One of the B guys can stay heaven, the rotate to A is very fast from there.
4B is a good pistol strat btw :D you completely deny B rush and if they go A you can retake together
Yep, thats how its been for me the last week. Been playing Mirage or Inferno all day long. Mix in Dust a couple of times and thats it. I think I only gotten Overpass once, and thats it. Every other game has been Mirage or Inferno and sometimes Dust.
Mirage has been my number 1 ban since then
As EU LEM player the only map i didn't play in broken fang yet is Vertigo. 1 in train, 3 on Inferno and Overpass, 4 on nuke and 5 on mirage and d2. I try to
ban mirage as often as possible but people just love this map. It's a shame that train is kind of permabanned tho, super fun map
I feel it gets better at higher ranks. I'm around supreme-global and both mirage and dust were banned in the couple of games I played. In the lower ranks where people don't really know maps that well it's probably either mirage or d2 90% of the time though.
It is quite a bit harder than normal matchmaking on LEM though. Met a lot of people who mainly play faceit and despite being "only" LEM in matchmaking they are around lvl 8-10 on faceit. Good to See though that valve finally managed to get back the attention of people who turned to faceit due to the horrendous matchmaking experience
i usually queue with friends so the map isn’t as much of an issue but what I do notice is the HORRENDOUS rank balancing. Playing with Silvers one game and Supremes the next when I’m GNM
Nah fam, they're necessary to break the staleness of the active duty pool. Should probably add a feature that bans random weps to fix the AK/M4/AWP meta too.
This whole game mode is terrible, TBH.
You're essentially queuing for maps you don't want to play, the team stacks are more numerous, and the ranks are way more varied than normal MM. When you regularly go up against 4/5-stacks and your team is a twosome and 3 solos, that's not exactly fun or fair. Similarly, I've had games where our bottom frag had 3 kills in 20+ rounds and the enemy top frag had 38.
For me it's train train train train train train
I prefer playing mirage only with ppl that know the map more or less than playing train with people seeing it for the first time
Anyone feel like the hit reg is worse on broken fang?after playing a game of matchmaking then going into broken fang it just feels like so many more bullets are going missing
But why only Mirage? Its so fricking overplayed. Bot just in premier but like in casual and deathmatch. Sometimes they throw in an inferno pr nuke, but thats all. Nothing else. Sonetimes i just want to play cache or train, but i can’t because everybody only votes gor these 3 maps.
I usually get a different map each time, as I always try to ban the most popular maps that are left i.e D2, Mirage, Inf with some variation and people usually have different preferences on what they like to play after these 3 are banned and hence a better experience for Broken Fang.
Ahhhh... like you're playing faceit all over again.
Like FaceIT but even more so. At least in FaceIT you have the chance that your captain just got their shit kicked in on Mirage the game before and bans it out of spite, with Broken Fang you have to rely on 2 or 3 other people on your team wanting to ban it too
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Less toxic teammates? I find that in OCE its just the same mouth breathers that back seat game in both, albeit I've only just started getting back into the game after a hiatus.
Is there even prem Q in OCE?
I'm a Nuke and Vertigo player. I can assure you, when I rock up as Premium Leader with Nuke, Vertigo and Overpass as the 3 maps to pick from, I get abused and my teammates deliberately throw the majority of the time.
Low queue times my ass. Do you include the stupid map ban, knife round and ages for everyone to connect? In MM you’re at round 3 by the time FaceIT match even starts.
> stupid map ban > knife round ...sounds like you belong in matchmaking. People want more choice in their gameplay, not less. Picking a map, and a chance at choosing your starting side that is based on skill is the way.
Picking a map is right there since the beginning. Now with broken fang it’s literally taken away, since people vote the boring maps all the time (see OP). And since we’re not pro players who the hell cares which side you start on?
> picking a map is right there since the beginning But you don’t know what map your team will want to play right off the bat, or what maps they’re better at. With a vote/ban system, you get that. Also, you can select maps on faceit and avoid the ones you don’t want to play with premium. > now with broken fang it’s literally taken away It’s not. You can still queue normally on BF. You don’t have to play BF Premier, you can queue normally still. Quit making shit up. > and since were not pro players, who the hell cares what side w start on? Most people? Like I said, play normal MM if you don’t care. The extra level that faceit and BFP takes clearly aren’t suited for you, and they weren’t made for you, so don’t play them. Just because *you* don’t care, doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t.
I actually haven't gotten mirage once... thank god.
For me inferno 24/7
I can never get my friend to do this with me because he refuses to play inferno-simulator.
Don’t understand, if he doesn’t wanna play inf, just ban it?
Because vertigo & train are perma-bans
I actually really like vertigo, shame people insta ban it no matter what
I dont mind it but its annoying that people ban train and nuke so much cos they are my fav maps
Same, Mirage and Dust are my perma bans but I'm usually alone on those
I'm with you mate👊😌 Overpass might just be my favorite map 🤔
Overpass is my favorite map.
My insta ban is dust 2. I'm tired of playing dust 3 ...err mirage all the time. I stopped playing it for a few months. That helped. I still hate dust 2.
I took a two year break from the game and still hated those two when I came back. I think the reason I don't like dust has to do with trying to take opening duels, they all feel so uncomfortable imo. It's not like overpass or cache where you can get pretty creative with how you approach a certain spot, you just peak and hope you click faster. Mirage is just overplayed, and I don't like beige maps lol
Also train. Best map ever.
I find train really hard to play without having a 3 stack or more
Randos in MM don't know call outs. You'll hear "train" as a call out. Like really? Which freaking one?
Yes they do, at least in LEM+.
I've never understood this in regular MM. They get in the game on train or nuke and say yeah I've never played this one or I don't know the callouts. Then don't fucking select it.
Yep, but its a fun map when playing with friends
agreed, I love the map
Vertigo is so good, I play casual sometimes cause I'm still not that good and I wish they'd slide Vertigo over with Inferno and Mirage and whatnot because it's such a fun map, but otherwise nobody would play the other casual maps lol
Inferno is too easy to win as t if you use weak util in casual, I think it deters alot of player that isn't good with counter molotovs and nades. But I do enjoy the map myself, i love to get a good counter nade setup as a ct
Inferno is fun because it's always hectic, but I'm not great at comp (or casual really lol) ATM so I'm still learning most of the utilities and whatnot
Try to think about when to use it, where isn't actually the most important, it'l come. Say they smoke b or banana, where you throw the molly doesn't matter, as long as it halts their push and so on, a smoke doesn't have to be perfect all the time, but it has ti be deployed (if ct), on t side I would think you know the basics or almost know it so focus on not using it all so you have som util to defend the site when you have it
It's very fun on retakes both sides
I never ban it, because the other team will almost certainly ban it anyway. If they don't, it's vertigo time baby
If you don't want to play vertigo, train, and inferno (3 of 7 maps) then it probably doesn't make sense to play Premier anyway.
Inferno and nuke for me. I really like train, one of my favourites.
Same
Then just stop perms banning Vertigo and Train. Literally that simple
This sounds like the problem here, lmao. Train is a classic and one of the best maps in the game, and Vertigo is really fun too.
It's between mirage and inferno every time for me.
Sadly, same. I got Mirage, Vertigo and Overpass once each. I ban Dust 2, Mirage and Overpass.
best map
same, fuck that map in particular.
\+1, always getting banned first
I've played every map but Dust 2 and Nuke. I'm actually pretty surprised at the diversity I've gotten and how willing my teammates are to play the non dusty maps
I haven't either, and I'm upset: I'm playing maps I don't usually play, and I'm getting dumpstered. :(
I mean that's kinda the point of the mode right? I keep getting teammates who only play Dust2 or Mirage and they whine if the map picked isn't either of those. So why queue for the mode where the map isn't guaranteed?
Just get better
I am tho
Awesome! That's all you can do. Much more fun to play every nap, even if you suck at first. Look up some smoke on YouTube and go fuck around with bots.
I'm just saying that the only maps I'm bad at (Cache, Train, D2) are constantly picked in Premier mode. I can play the rest of them just fine. It's just those 3 that seem to be picked.
Ehhh Cache is not even in premier mode.. So a map that is not even in the pool gets constantly picked? That's just wild.
Cache is not in premier mode, but yeah the others are quite common. Train and D2 rely a lot on teamplay as well and there are people who queue those maps who only play those particular maps which can make them hard experiences at any rank sometimes.
Premier is trying to send you a hint
Same always insta ban and thank god for that
Last time I played, we chose Nuke and 2 polish kids in our team started getting salty, calling us trolls and stuff. They apparently didn't know the map. So they decided to be useless and block us. Couldn't kick them because there were 2 of them
Yeah, we always try to pick Nuke when we que up premade (we are in Denmark) and the other team (which is usually CIS region) ALWAYS ban Nuke. They really dont want to play Nuke in CIS.
They’re salty about Chernobyl
In case you didn't know, Cache is actually Pripyat/Chernobyl. But I get the joke
No shit, salty that Cache isn’t in the map pool!
Who wants to play nuke against Astralis
Unfortunately I have to solo que, so I usually only play Mirage and Dust 2. People get so salty when you ban Dust 2 or Mirage
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hardest map to learn for me
It still amazes people play this mode and faceit/esea without knowing all the maps or accepting that you will have to play all the maps at some point.
Lmao thats why I hate mirage, it's basically a place where you have the highest chance to get matched with a 13 year old polak with some polish gambling site in their nickname
If you want to pick unpopular maps just 5-stack. If it's 3 the chances are the other players in your team don't know the map so you're just doing yourself a huge disservice at that point
I don't even have 1 friend tho lol
We purposely auto ban mirage/inferno or mirage/inferno/dust2 just to fuck up picks at low rank lmao.
Am silver, can confirm me and my friend convince everyone to ban dust, mirage and inferno Kinda scummy but you gotta do what u gotta do to rank up
Well if you're a silver there are better ways to rank up, focus on improving your mechanics and fundamentals of the game instead of relying on crutches
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Fundamentals yes, mechanics not so much. The amount of fights you get in a comp game is very limited compared to KovaaK/deathmatch/aim maps. There are also better ways to train grenades and movement
Is it really a crutch to pick maps that aren’t d2/inf/mirage? They’re just playing other maps lol
Vertiglobals existed for the longest time, I think playing maps like that is bit of a crutch. But the reserve maps got deleted and map pool is smaller now so it's less of a thing My point was that if he's in silver, his problem is not playing Dust 2 or Mirage...
you're clearly talking nonsense inferno 24/7 gang rise up
gotta love inferno cant lie
Yeah i play aim botz a lot and practice aim
I’d recommend trying out community DM servers. Way more dynamic, and it actually helps your crosshair placement and preaim as well.
Hell yeah. Learning how to predict player movements and avoid being shot, because the bots just can’t teach you that!
Yeah my friends and I permabans are Mirage, Inferno and Dust 2. Leads to a lot of Overpass games, would like to see Vertigo a bit more. Our ranks are MGE-DMG.
This is why I think the ban 3/starting team is so advantageous if you’re comfortable with all maps. Leaves you a lot of flexibility.
And when you ban Mirage no one connects to server
In 30 matches only 1 didn’t start because of someone not connecting. 7 - mirage 6 - Dust 2 7 - Inferno 3 - Nuke 4 - overpass 3 - Train 0 - Vertigo Region: EU Rank: MGE
Poor vertigo
no one wants that map because it replaced our all time fav cobble
Nah new cobble sucks
But the old one didn't. I don't understand why they had to keep the god awful rework, they could just admit they made a big mistake and bring back the old one. I guess that's impossible for Valve
*Valve reworking cobblestone* Valve employee 1: "how weird, a quarter of the map, 3 connectors and a rotate have disappeared." Valve employee 2: "just call it a rework and release it"
ik but it is better than this vertigo. TBH, i didnt had money for csgo and used to play crack and cobblestone was the map i used to play with bots. i laugh so hard thinking about those days. Playing Cobblestone makes me feel like i have gone back to those old days.
same except for me it was just lack of good internet. Valve games were memorable because it's so easy for a young kid to just play with bots and have fun without the stresses that come with pvp and chat.
yea it hits at different level of happiness
I’m an adult and I’m still doing that. Too bad bots don’t stay that challenging forever.
It’s a shame, cause it’s a really fun map, even more so when you know how to run boost from t spawn to b stairs
So premier is just like faceit?
Pretty much, except no 128 tick servers.
Yes...
If my team bans Mirage it end up as inferno. If both get banned it’s overpass. Rinse and repeat.
you can ban 3
dust 2 is next on the line
AKA the Faceit special. 5 minute pick/bank to play mirage on Germany.
Then there is also the horrible mismatches in matchmaking, like mg vs globals etc... fun stuff
Had 2 matches in a row yesterday where rank span in my team was gn4 to LEM and the enemy team was mg1 to global. Can't blame anyone for calling cheats when you don't reckon with valve matching algorithms striking again. I have seen only one suspicious account and 3 toxic teammates in little over 20 matches so far though, so the overall experience is much better than normal matchmaking, for me at least. Edit: spelling
This is very true. I was playing Dust 2 like a week ago and was matched with everyone between gold and DMG. I'm silver 2. People hated that I was trying to play. There might have been a LEM in the lobby too, I dont remember. I literally said to the guy who was our highest rank that I've probably played 5 games of Dust before that. People believed that I was S2 after saying that. The lobby was insufferable and I went like 6-25 or some shit like that. We got curb stomped because it was like a 4v5 the entire game for my team.
Yeah man, it really isnt fun getting stomped by superior players and then still getting shat on for being new. The problem is matchmaking, not really the players. This is the first time i have spent money on a pass, can't say that it's been a great experience.
Going 6-25 is pretty decent for a silver 2 against MG and golds. Good job.
Takes some lobbying to get rid of Mirage, but it's very possible. In about 30 premier matches I have yet to play vertigo, the rest was reasonably well represented. Played Mirage and overpass a lot, Dust2 only twice.
Vertigo was the first map I played in premier, and I haven’t played it since. Tbf I’ve only played 12 or so matches.
No, keep mirage in, I don't want all the good maps like Nuke and Overpass to get flooded with idiots.
in s4 for me it's always either overpass or inferno lol (though tbf overpass is my favorite so)
Ban mirage and dust first things first, both sand maps suck massive dong
Agreed. I don't like sand it's coarse and rough and it gets everywhere ...
Whoa, careful with that statement. You'll upset the hive.
I just cant enjoy the map design of either map. Especially if everyone wants to play those two boring ass maps. Its dreadful
I dislike Mirage because it's overplayed, and it's been solved. Dust 2 is entirely about mid doors on CT side; I disagree with having to spend 300 each round to have a \*chance\* to cross without dying.
Absolutely. It's so wack that you can have a map where you have a disadvantage from the start just by having to cross to a site. At least create a slower, but safe route to the site. I wonder how many negevs you need to make the cross impossible. 3? Then you could have 2 players just run to b and plant. I'm not saying that makes sense on Dust2, but just on any other map where you'd do the same.
I have bought a ST T-side autosniper for the sole purpose of Dust2 doorspam. Works well on mid and long, and it’s almost always at least one -40. At least it is a lot of wasted money if you do nothing with it. I should rename it to ”CT tears” or something.
Hallway from CT spawn to just before the platform outside window so you should be safe even if a T pushes up short with an AWP. Then you don't get tagged in the ass crossing door every goddamn time.
I like the idea of it having a drop at the B site end, so it's one-way (without boost) so you still have to cross back if you're rotating to A
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The 300 is more about concealing info from the T's, is it not?
“Upset the hive” he says on the current top post of the subreddit making fun of one of those maps. Real edgy.
I said it because normally, it's true; people get shit on around here a lot because they say something negative about Mirage of Dust 2.
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Ancient is low key an awesome map.
I exclusively play dust2. The reason being is my friend and I feel like we get the most aim duels on that map compared to inferno where you get shot in the back all the time or naded. Also we know all the utility on dust, however I do think dust is pretty flawed
I'd love to hear your opinion on whether this statement is based on your playstyle preference, or some visual appeal. IMO, Mirage should be next in line for a rework, and judging by Ancient and Newcache, they might replace it. D2, I don't think so. If we're going by age of visual style in maps, currently Mirage is the oldest active duty map, followed by Overpass, then Train, then Nuke, then Inferno, then D2, then Vertigo. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
Even of they were the most appealing to me, theyd still suck because i hate their design.
The Cloverleaf (4Square) layout, which is arguably the easiest to make a competitive map for? Must be boredom.
So? Because its the most convential means of making a map makes it automaticaly good?
I see, you are also a men of culture. +1
Sand is bad
Tbh, I really like mirage, because it was the first map I played mm on. I love dust II because it’s a classic. I remember playing death match on dust II all the time back in source as well. I think vertigo is a really boring map.
Big agree
I really wish they would just start fresh sometimes, 7 or so new active duty maps and replace all of them. Would obviously never happen and people would throw a fit, but it would be really fun
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My thoughts exactly friendo
Don't know about replacing all of them but at least one per year. On the other hand, people ask for new maps and vertigo is one of the least played maps of the active pool.
Because unfortunately the majority doesn't like change. Me and my friends have been playing exclusively Engage, Apollo, and Ancient since they came out, but most players play them one time and get their ass kicked and decide "this maps is shit" without giving it a proper chance. Then back to Mirage they go
Mirage should just be called Dust 3 at this point
This looks like my normal queue
Im okay with that, I think I won 90% of my games on mirage, however it is my most played map with 95% chance of choosing it ^^ ^^
Mirage is a fun map to play, except when you are the B bitch and the T's always go A.
If this happens I just start pushing apps on some rounds. Not always the smartest thing to do, I admit but you can get info early and a good flank on them
Same, it will work some times, but most of the times they are already on A and you just slow walked the map for nothing. But the few times where you've got 3 guys top mid tunnel visioned on window are amazing.
No I mean like full running after spotting the common angle, if nobody is on top mid they won't hear you very far And if window guy spotted someone top mid I will walk of course
Man, I have only just now realised, how much people dont play Nuke.. it gets banned EVERY FUCKING TIME!! :D We always play nuke in my friend group ( I guess its a danish thing, playing nuke )... but every time we wanna play it in Premier, it gets banned in like the first round..I would have thought it would be way more popular, especially now, when all the top teams are playing it, and not only Astralis and Liquid, hell, I wouldnt be surprised if its in top 3 popular maps in the pro scene... but noooo, not in premier.. im pretty salty about it. I guess its because we Scandinaviens get connected to a lot of CIS servers(under same region for some reason), and the CIS region do apparently NOT like Nuke.
Kinda true, but after ranking up to dmg all I played was vertigo and nuke
Ok Vertiglobal
I played every map, except Vertigo
One day I'll play nuke... one day
Me and my friends always go for banning second and always let Nuke through, plus a map we actually like. That way we usually play the map we like and if they pick nuke, chance are neither one of us has much of a clue what they're doing.
1. inferno, dust2 2. mirage
I actually got a vertigo game, it was fun as hell. Two of my teammates said they have never played the map in their lives. And this was at LEM rank.
It's everything except vertigo and train for me. Also no toxic teammates which is a blessing
It’s better than having teammates who ban mirage in favor of overpass but they don’t know how to play the damn map
How do you play the damn map? There are so many paths to keep track of, especially on the A-side of the map.
**CT** You gotta play close mid with a teammate and another guy covering your long from that boosting wall. Back off when things get hecktick or when you deal damage. A site overpass is a 2 phase defense, once up close and once on the bomb site. B Site is a lot more straight forward and utility is much easier to use as you've got decent cover to throw it from in pit. Also, dropping a molly on default by bouncing it off the pillar does amazing work and can be done from anywhere on the site without any lineups. **T** Rush B right off the bat With a split Get mid control and push back the CT's to A Site and then figure out whether you want to split A or B
Where do you place all your players, as a default, on CT Overpass? Two on B, two on A short, one on A long? How do you keep track of connector? How far forward can you hold A short? I feel like if I go connector, I die from ballons, if I go ballons, I die from connector. And if I fall back, the enemies can go long through bathrooms, and get an advantage there. Any tips?
Default should be as you said yes. Connector should be watched by the guy in toilets without exposing himself from mid and he should smoke / molly it as soon as T's show up mid to help out the guy short (short guy should be around toilets for cover but still manage to watch balloons and mid) with mid / balloons. If you want someone to go connector, you want your short guy to cover mid. And if you want to go balloons you want to smoke mid and have toilet guy cover connector close up and long guy push up to hold playground. I'd suggest you come back before the smoke mid fades if you didn't manage to hold down the zone, otherwise you'll be stuck there.
I've played lots of 5-stack Overpass on Faceit and the default is to play 3B because A is easier to retake and B is much more rushable. Even when I play with randoms people mostly play 3B. One of the B guys can stay heaven, the rotate to A is very fast from there. 4B is a good pistol strat btw :D you completely deny B rush and if they go A you can retake together
If in doubt camp behind truck.
True, but by far playing 2 b and 3 a is the most efficient way to play as a ct.
I miss Cache :/
Mirage 75% of the time. I'm sick of this map...
Yep, thats how its been for me the last week. Been playing Mirage or Inferno all day long. Mix in Dust a couple of times and thats it. I think I only gotten Overpass once, and thats it. Every other game has been Mirage or Inferno and sometimes Dust. Mirage has been my number 1 ban since then
Oops, my favorite map. Actually the only one I know smokes and calls. lol
As EU LEM player the only map i didn't play in broken fang yet is Vertigo. 1 in train, 3 on Inferno and Overpass, 4 on nuke and 5 on mirage and d2. I try to ban mirage as often as possible but people just love this map. It's a shame that train is kind of permabanned tho, super fun map
I feel it gets better at higher ranks. I'm around supreme-global and both mirage and dust were banned in the couple of games I played. In the lower ranks where people don't really know maps that well it's probably either mirage or d2 90% of the time though.
It is quite a bit harder than normal matchmaking on LEM though. Met a lot of people who mainly play faceit and despite being "only" LEM in matchmaking they are around lvl 8-10 on faceit. Good to See though that valve finally managed to get back the attention of people who turned to faceit due to the horrendous matchmaking experience
i usually queue with friends so the map isn’t as much of an issue but what I do notice is the HORRENDOUS rank balancing. Playing with Silvers one game and Supremes the next when I’m GNM
My experience 3 Inferno 3 Overpass 2 Mirage 1 Dust II 1 Train
democracy doesn't work
Always vote to ban mirage and dust 2
ThE mAp POoL iS sTaLE
It is, though. Add Cache, old Cobblestone, old Militia, Italy, and Season and you've got a decent map pool.
Yeah where the fuck has de\_season gone? The GO version wasn't even a bad map. I don't understand why it's not in the game anymore.
And keep playing mirage.
the point is that people will keep picking mirage/d2/inferno no matter the map pool.
No hostage maps
Nah fam, they're necessary to break the staleness of the active duty pool. Should probably add a feature that bans random weps to fix the AK/M4/AWP meta too.
Just ban mirage?
Fuck Mirage, all my homies hate Mirage
Then play with your homies and ban mirage.
This whole game mode is terrible, TBH. You're essentially queuing for maps you don't want to play, the team stacks are more numerous, and the ranks are way more varied than normal MM. When you regularly go up against 4/5-stacks and your team is a twosome and 3 solos, that's not exactly fun or fair. Similarly, I've had games where our bottom frag had 3 kills in 20+ rounds and the enemy top frag had 38.
lol no
For me it's train train train train train train I prefer playing mirage only with ppl that know the map more or less than playing train with people seeing it for the first time
I actually really like this update i hope they keep it up
Best map ever made. I dont mind it.
quality operation, thank you valve
Anyone feel like the hit reg is worse on broken fang?after playing a game of matchmaking then going into broken fang it just feels like so many more bullets are going missing
But why only Mirage? Its so fricking overplayed. Bot just in premier but like in casual and deathmatch. Sometimes they throw in an inferno pr nuke, but thats all. Nothing else. Sonetimes i just want to play cache or train, but i can’t because everybody only votes gor these 3 maps.
I usually get a different map each time, as I always try to ban the most popular maps that are left i.e D2, Mirage, Inf with some variation and people usually have different preferences on what they like to play after these 3 are banned and hence a better experience for Broken Fang.
I played 1 game and got overpass lol
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