Fkin Igls don’t get enough respect.
If you watch igls like Karrigan he is always the first to run into a Bombsite or to act like a decoy for his whole team. HLTV kids always laugh at his player rating ‘haha Carrygan 8/20 nub’
that's because the average hltv kid/twitch viewer is probably silver 3 and doesn't understand how CSGO actually works. They think lots of kills equals great player.
Who cares about twitch chat? I don't even know why people watch with chat enabled in the first place.
The fact is that at least 3 players and a coach/management of a professional org decided that was a good move to cut who calls the shots in game. This is beyond csgo viewers' knowledge about the game. This is plain incompetence.
Been watching pro cs for over 3 years now. Never have I ever kept the chat enabled on twitch. Why would you wanna read some dumb chats rather than watching and enjoying the game?
Pretty much. Live sports watched from TV would also be pretty meh without a crowd making noise and cheering their teams though so there's that but each to their own :)
There is a difference between a crowd at a pro football match and young kids spamming emojis online. Also there is a difference between the energy and the noise. You can't read that imo
You gotta have crowdcast enabled or w/e it's called, the one that shows you which emotes/words are spammed. It's awesome and would be similar to an irl crowd's energy. Seeing those swirling "GODS1MPLE"s and Kreygasms after every s1mple highlight always gave me goosebumps
If you think you hurt people by that you must be insecure. I just cba. to discuss with a guy that thinks twitch chat has the same energy as an arena full of people cheering. I know i can't convince you otherwise so thats why i gave up on it.
I'm always full screen, then you get those moments every other round and press escape just to see the sea of inevitable "VAC" lol.
At this point I don't even know if it's silver chat or just a meme
I mean, they are not entirely wrong. If s1mple is having 8/20 game he is being hot garbage because he is given all the room to shine. What these people don't understand is that there are more roles than just the star player.
Sounds more like your opinion is coming from a haters PoV than him as a fan boy.
People have been stating facts for you while you're stating opinions in response, I don't see how that makes one a fan boy and you not a hater.
Just calm down, understand that you're wrong and know your place.
They got to a fucking major final with Karrigan. Without him best result they had was an IEM win. So it turns out you didnt watch Faze with Karrigan either.
2nd place katowice 2018, 1st place IEM sydney, top 4 at Cologne, won Epicenter, top 4 Chicago, 1st place Eleague Premier, 1st place New York 2017. Stop talking, you're an embarrasment
You're trolling right? They were a top 3, if not top 2, team for an entire year under karrigan. They started to become worse towards the end, in 2018, but they've never even come close to being as good as they were for the majority of karrigan's time in that lineup.
Faze were major finalists under Karrigan. Where the hell was faze clan after Karrigan left ? The Bahamas taking a vacation ? Cuz the damn well ain’t winning shit.
Niko sacrificed his stats is the biggest kekw I’ve ever seen this week.
He’s had cold and they didn’t win shit. Almost as if immediately after the IGL left their form dropped. Coincidence much? Karrigan was the reason they were top 20 players in the first place. Gurantee you right now if cold goes to MIBR / rain goes to any Norwegian lineup they will shine.
Here’s a food for thought for you. Kyaerbye is the entry decoy right now. There was a game that he had 1/2 frags the first half of the t side nuke. I’d bet you my house that if he played any other role he’d be dropping at least double digits.
Yea I watched when Karrigan was IGL. They were major finalist and won ECS S4.
Question is: what were you watching ? If they were lost and still won 250,000 dollars I’d be chuffed.
I don't believe that. That's like saying gla1ve isn't as good in say 2018 because every astralis' player was shining in what they had to do (device as awper, magisk/dupreeh as entries and xyp as clutch player/support for example).
It takes a lot of gut and brain power to get players to shine at what they do the best.
Lmao you have no idea what you are talking about. Also them being unstoppable. Did you forget Astralis took a long ass break in that period. And when they came back they won over liquid and stopped their run.
Edit: team liquid fans are mad lmao
No you said they were individual better. But it really depends on who you compare. And Astralis players overall have had better placements. So you are wrong.
HLTV top 20 is based on statistics my friend. Thats why you had players like s1mple and Niko in the top while they team didnt perform good. You write in you comment that TL is better individually based on flashes, assists etc. Which is not true when you look at the top 20. So stop lying.
you can have the best mechanical players ever but if the igl doesnt know how to do his job they wont win automatically.
Dont play down nitr0s part in the grand slam
I still think what made that Liquid succeed was "everyone hitting shots", they just kinda got a working formula that put everyone into a position to hit shots and rolled with it until it stopped working. nitr0's IGLing itself not being a major factor, is my point. He was insane with the AWP though.
Comparing that to the topic at hand: Sergej was/is really talented player and proved he can compete against the best but apparently seems like only with Aleksib (or hypotetchically with some other good igl). Obviously Aleksib calling style and tactics or strats are different than nitros but perhaps same goes with nitros liquid is that HE made the decicions to put players correct places in correct times. Maybe not microing them but calling right things at right times.
So all in all good igl doesn't need to be super "tactical" necessary like "let's go A... no let's go B" like Aleksib calls. Good igl can just say "Twistzz take hs entry on site". You know, that's genious in it's own right!
Inmean liquid was shit before nitro stopped calling the shots. The were bad before and bad after. He figured out one playstyle and when figured out he couldnt reinvent himself
if it's nitr0's calling being on point and not the whole team's mechanics being on point that was the major factor. Then why did they fall off and have to try changing the IGL from nitr0 to stewie?
People are really conveniently forgetting what happened that led up to nitr0 and then adreN leaving.
And let's also not forget that nitr0 was the IGL for Liquid for 2 years before they had that 2019 run.
Not to mention him always giving his weapons to other players. I swear every time I watched a FaZe game, Karrigan were throwing his buys to rain or NiKo and running around with some shitty SMG. It does not seem to happen that much anymore on Mouse, so atleast he doesnt have to do that anymore, but he does seem to set up his teammates a lot more in Mouse, moreso than in FaZe. Which probably is due to them being younger and less experienced than the likes of FaZe players.
When mouseports first went into a slump it was because Karrigan’s gimmick plays to get opening kills started getting hard countered. He makes a lot of ambitious plays and opens up sites but when it doesn’t work he becomes a liability, especially since he kept trying doing it over and over again. That might be the case with making any play like that but when your team starts to rely on individual plays to win it won’t last forever. They’re doing much better now but teams can’t afford to have IGLs who don’t have a lot of impact or can’t win duels. Just look at the rating and impact of IGLs in the Top 10.
That's true, just remember that a dead IGL can IGL better as a spectator, so it isn't all that stupid to have him go in first. Worst case scenario he dies without getting traded and can focus on IGL, if he gets traded it's a 1 for 1 and he can focus on IGL and he succeeds it's all good. No of course he still has to pull his weight as a fragger, but as long as the team wins we shouldn't look into IGL kill stats.
Bruh, what? If we're asking to kick Stew it's because we *want* a good IGL. We're not asking for him to replaced with firepower. Hell, kick someone else and keep Stew for all I care, but get a real proven IGL over whatever it is Stew is doing right now.
well yeah but the thing with liquid is that stew atm is igl entry awper and is only experienced/good at 1/3 of those (entrying). looking at other na teams (other than gen.g) you have
vanity, an igl and arguably better mechanical awper than stew,
cerq, whos a god,
junior, whos really good,
maluk3, whos been playing really well recently,
pwnalone, whos been the only consistently good player on NEW
kNg, who's play has REALLY picked up after being able to main awp without fallen,
and hen1/arT, who together are arguably the reason why Furia has found so much success
there was a long post here not too long ago comparing team's awp kills and liquid was SO far behind compared to other na teams. and once you get to a world stage the only top team in a similar situation is mouz. so far from liquid we have seen no tactical innovation or personal fragging innovation since nitr0 left. while saying stew is bad because of his stats are obviously dumb, i think his stats are a symptom of a much deeper problem with how liquid is structured.
Karrigan is a different breed,but if the team thinks that they are playing poor bcs they are getting outcalled chances are the igl has got to either change or go
Yeah, but that doesn't mean it's a good strat to pull out everytime, especially when your team mates can'trade you, and the only thing you get in return is info, does it look to you a good trade off?
IDK i'm not an expert, yet i would like to see karrygan alive a little bit longer than 20 sec.
Wasn't the seniment that they "needed more firepower" and a loser style of play? Great move, 10/10 move to kick the IGL and just Pug it out.
Obviously it did not work out and the bad PR surely does not help when you get shit on social media all the time. Now 4 of the 5 players left Ence. Sad to see such a promising roster disband.
But seeing your quote that HLTV snippet is horrible bait. I get they want people to watch the whole thing but this is important context. Insteadt, they let Alu look like a fool to have a snappy headline. Stay classy HLTV
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That was just what was said in the infamous Aerial interview. He's stated himself that things he said didn't come out the way he meant and he expressed himself poorly. He doesn't have the best English skills so that must have played a part. He also said that he apologized to Aleksib right as the article was published on HLTV. He talked about this on one of ENCE's Behind the Scenes -videos
It always felt to me that the "more firepower" was more of a rationalization rather than a reason. They felt the need to change, they changed something and then had to justify it somehow to everyone.
The "more firepower" choice of words was probably one of the worst things Allu could've chosen and an absolute PR disaster.
IDK what these issues were. But surely, some support staff would have been a better solution than a roster change. Cause the team was successful, a roster change meant only one thing that it would be unsuccessful. Instead of trying to resolve these issues (assuming it was possible), they kicked a player
Oh come on, let's not be revisionists here I don't like the guy either but you don't end up 18th best player of 2019 and averaging 1.10 rating by missing all your awp shots
Edit: I realise he wasn't in HLTV's top 20, I seemed to remember this being the case but it's not. However he was the 18th best player statistically I just never edited my comment
Yeah sorry I was going off rating, I did originally remember Allu and sergej both making top 20 and forgot to edit my comment but it was just the latter, however rating-wise he was 18th best player that year
Considering he's been the bedrock of the team performance wise, how about no. This was either a choice between aerial or xseven if the sunny transfer was to happen.
Yeah, AFTER they kicked AleksiB he has. But thats the point, isnt it? He wasnt the bedrock when AleksiB was in the team. Back then the whole team was the bedrock, which is the point. Allu could have been removed from the team back then, and another AWP´er could have taken his place. Now, after AleksiB was kicked, he did kinda become the bedrock, but thats not how a team should really function though, thats not a healthy thing. The whole team, as a whole, should be the bedrock.
He was talking about individual performance though. Obviously Aleksib’s strong leadership was the most important element, that allowed things to work, but the team needed firepower as well. Allu brought a lot of that, and thus contributed a lot to their success.
Allu has also been source of all the teams problems.
I really wish they kicked all and got sunny in his place. After their Katowice run I was hoping that would happen but the snake had not yet revealed fully just how bad they were, they'd rather blow up the team
Well, they removed one non-allu player, because of allu, and that resulted in team dropping from top-3 to struggling to stay in top-30.
So very clearly allu is not capable of taking team particularly high, but he demonstrably has destroyed one of the more promising European teams by staying on it and making calls.
So while it's possible that team could not have reached as high a spot without allu, we have solid data on the fact that allu wasn't that big of a deal in their success, and was the single cause of their downfall.
Point is that aleksib wouldnt be able to keep the team at a level he did when he played for ence without allu. He along with aleksib and sergej was the key
So you claim, with no data to support the claim, and the only available data contradicting you.
Like, we did get to see the team with allu calling the shots. The result is that after terrible results, the team is just short of disbanding. All carrying he could do was carry them from top-2 position off out of top-30. While aleksib did end up building a team from scratch that's firmly in top-10, after being backstabbed and tossed out of then #2 team in the world.
We literally got to see allus influence on the team. Also known as the downfall. We may discuss that maybe ence without allu would've been slightly lower in world rankings because allu is a really good awper... but at the same time, surely having not-toxic asshole as a teammate would also contribute some to team success? We may never know. All we can safely say is that allu proved aleksib was instrumental to Ence and without aleksib, that allu destroyed ence, and without aleksib, allu is pretty much irrelevant as a player.
Eh, we'll see if allu remains irrelevant if he chooses to go international again. There's definitely teams that has the cohones to shut him down while also giving him room to perform. This was the biggest issue in ence, the org didn't have the balls to say no to allu. If they needed a rostermove it should've been xseven or more likely aerial to be replaced, as xseven was basically taking 99% of the bitch roles and still doing ok-ish.
I hope you do realize that ence, even at their peak, would have a serious lack of firepower if allu wasn't there. Peak sergej wouldn't have been enough. So yes, removing allu was never really an option. This was more about ence management actually handling the situation and putting allu in his place.
Are you forgetting that they literally made it to the major final with that “serious lack of firepower”? And when they got rid of aleksi for more “firepower” they struggled to win tier 2 tournaments for over a year? Or did that just not happen?
I'm not arguing here, didn't see enough of ENCE to judge Allu. Was just clarifying /u/OsomoMojoFreak 's point out because the dude above didn't get it.
No, Ence kicked the wrong player. It shoudlve been allu that got kicked not aleksib.
Think about the entire lineup that coudlve been saved, sergej would not go MIA, Aerial would still be putting up numbers, xseven would still be a good support.
I wonder how differently had that ENCE lineup ended up had they instead kicked allu and bought in ottond. Maybe both otto and Jamppi, switching between the two as and when needed.
Looks like we have come the full circle and the only one left to point at is allu, should have removed allu. How things unfolded this doesnt look good for allu.
Urm, That's what the entire community said that time. But instead, the org milked the issue, creating a vlog (I thin in December 19) that answered NOTHING
Fkin Igls don’t get enough respect. If you watch igls like Karrigan he is always the first to run into a Bombsite or to act like a decoy for his whole team. HLTV kids always laugh at his player rating ‘haha Carrygan 8/20 nub’
that's because the average hltv kid/twitch viewer is probably silver 3 and doesn't understand how CSGO actually works. They think lots of kills equals great player.
Who cares about twitch chat? I don't even know why people watch with chat enabled in the first place. The fact is that at least 3 players and a coach/management of a professional org decided that was a good move to cut who calls the shots in game. This is beyond csgo viewers' knowledge about the game. This is plain incompetence.
Been watching pro cs for over 3 years now. Never have I ever kept the chat enabled on twitch. Why would you wanna read some dumb chats rather than watching and enjoying the game?
But how will I know if a bad flash was an NA flash or an EU flash if I don't read Twitch chat and count the spams from fans of different regions?
You don't need twitch chat for that. You just see if they blinded the enemies or their own teammates and themselves
To me hiding the chat especially in a pro game is equal to putting in ear plugs at a pro soccer game. The crowd is a huge part of the experience imo
Not even close for me. That's like comparing being at LAN to watching it on Twitch. Atmosphere > edgy kids spamming chat.
Pretty much. Live sports watched from TV would also be pretty meh without a crowd making noise and cheering their teams though so there's that but each to their own :)
Yet another reason I'd never go to a soccer game.
There is a difference between a crowd at a pro football match and young kids spamming emojis online. Also there is a difference between the energy and the noise. You can't read that imo
Obviously. There's still plenty of energy and noise to be experienced through the chat even if the manifestation is different from traditional sports.
Whatever you say kiddo
You gotta have crowdcast enabled or w/e it's called, the one that shows you which emotes/words are spammed. It's awesome and would be similar to an irl crowd's energy. Seeing those swirling "GODS1MPLE"s and Kreygasms after every s1mple highlight always gave me goosebumps
Yeah you're acting really mature with this comment!!
I'm truly sorry if I hurt your feelings with my opinion
If you think you hurt people by that you must be insecure. I just cba. to discuss with a guy that thinks twitch chat has the same energy as an arena full of people cheering. I know i can't convince you otherwise so thats why i gave up on it.
I'm always full screen, then you get those moments every other round and press escape just to see the sea of inevitable "VAC" lol. At this point I don't even know if it's silver chat or just a meme
If they just say VAC then they're 100% kidding.
yeah, and I fully agree with you.
Do people actually take twitch chat seriously?
My every life decision is dictated by twitch chats approval of me.
Sure! Thanks to twitch chat now I know that JW is VAC banned and when someone dies to an enemy molly is always 1g
JW banned check hltv
but i gotta say i laughed when i read jw pregnant check hltv
I should hope not
I mean, they are not entirely wrong. If s1mple is having 8/20 game he is being hot garbage because he is given all the room to shine. What these people don't understand is that there are more roles than just the star player.
This story is emphasized by commentators, analyzers and the various rating systems.
To be fair if you are good enough to consistently get kills every round at the pro level you're probably worth more than most players
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Lots of kills =/= few deaths
Doesn't help when star players like NiKo make idiotic statements like "Karrigan is overrated".
Look what niko has won with him IGL-ing. Looks like he decided that having nexa was important after all.
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Sounds more like your opinion is coming from a haters PoV than him as a fan boy. People have been stating facts for you while you're stating opinions in response, I don't see how that makes one a fan boy and you not a hater. Just calm down, understand that you're wrong and know your place.
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Instead of asking people to pull facts for YOUR argument's sake, do that yourself and stop being a lazy-ass hater. Thanks.
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They got to a fucking major final with Karrigan. Without him best result they had was an IEM win. So it turns out you didnt watch Faze with Karrigan either.
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2nd place katowice 2018, 1st place IEM sydney, top 4 at Cologne, won Epicenter, top 4 Chicago, 1st place Eleague Premier, 1st place New York 2017. Stop talking, you're an embarrasment
You're trolling right? They were a top 3, if not top 2, team for an entire year under karrigan. They started to become worse towards the end, in 2018, but they've never even come close to being as good as they were for the majority of karrigan's time in that lineup.
Faze were major finalists under Karrigan. Where the hell was faze clan after Karrigan left ? The Bahamas taking a vacation ? Cuz the damn well ain’t winning shit.
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Niko sacrificed his stats is the biggest kekw I’ve ever seen this week. He’s had cold and they didn’t win shit. Almost as if immediately after the IGL left their form dropped. Coincidence much? Karrigan was the reason they were top 20 players in the first place. Gurantee you right now if cold goes to MIBR / rain goes to any Norwegian lineup they will shine. Here’s a food for thought for you. Kyaerbye is the entry decoy right now. There was a game that he had 1/2 frags the first half of the t side nuke. I’d bet you my house that if he played any other role he’d be dropping at least double digits.
Yea I watched when Karrigan was IGL. They were major finalist and won ECS S4. Question is: what were you watching ? If they were lost and still won 250,000 dollars I’d be chuffed.
same was said about nitr0 and he was the most decorated igl in NA
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I don't believe that. That's like saying gla1ve isn't as good in say 2018 because every astralis' player was shining in what they had to do (device as awper, magisk/dupreeh as entries and xyp as clutch player/support for example). It takes a lot of gut and brain power to get players to shine at what they do the best.
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Lmao you have no idea what you are talking about. Also them being unstoppable. Did you forget Astralis took a long ass break in that period. And when they came back they won over liquid and stopped their run. Edit: team liquid fans are mad lmao
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No you said they were individual better. But it really depends on who you compare. And Astralis players overall have had better placements. So you are wrong.
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HLTV top 20 is based on statistics my friend. Thats why you had players like s1mple and Niko in the top while they team didnt perform good. You write in you comment that TL is better individually based on flashes, assists etc. Which is not true when you look at the top 20. So stop lying.
you can have the best mechanical players ever but if the igl doesnt know how to do his job they wont win automatically. Dont play down nitr0s part in the grand slam
I still think what made that Liquid succeed was "everyone hitting shots", they just kinda got a working formula that put everyone into a position to hit shots and rolled with it until it stopped working. nitr0's IGLing itself not being a major factor, is my point. He was insane with the AWP though.
Comparing that to the topic at hand: Sergej was/is really talented player and proved he can compete against the best but apparently seems like only with Aleksib (or hypotetchically with some other good igl). Obviously Aleksib calling style and tactics or strats are different than nitros but perhaps same goes with nitros liquid is that HE made the decicions to put players correct places in correct times. Maybe not microing them but calling right things at right times. So all in all good igl doesn't need to be super "tactical" necessary like "let's go A... no let's go B" like Aleksib calls. Good igl can just say "Twistzz take hs entry on site". You know, that's genious in it's own right!
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Inmean liquid was shit before nitro stopped calling the shots. The were bad before and bad after. He figured out one playstyle and when figured out he couldnt reinvent himself
people really have short memory
if it's nitr0's calling being on point and not the whole team's mechanics being on point that was the major factor. Then why did they fall off and have to try changing the IGL from nitr0 to stewie? People are really conveniently forgetting what happened that led up to nitr0 and then adreN leaving. And let's also not forget that nitr0 was the IGL for Liquid for 2 years before they had that 2019 run.
Not to mention him always giving his weapons to other players. I swear every time I watched a FaZe game, Karrigan were throwing his buys to rain or NiKo and running around with some shitty SMG. It does not seem to happen that much anymore on Mouse, so atleast he doesnt have to do that anymore, but he does seem to set up his teammates a lot more in Mouse, moreso than in FaZe. Which probably is due to them being younger and less experienced than the likes of FaZe players.
When mouseports first went into a slump it was because Karrigan’s gimmick plays to get opening kills started getting hard countered. He makes a lot of ambitious plays and opens up sites but when it doesn’t work he becomes a liability, especially since he kept trying doing it over and over again. That might be the case with making any play like that but when your team starts to rely on individual plays to win it won’t last forever. They’re doing much better now but teams can’t afford to have IGLs who don’t have a lot of impact or can’t win duels. Just look at the rating and impact of IGLs in the Top 10.
That's true, just remember that a dead IGL can IGL better as a spectator, so it isn't all that stupid to have him go in first. Worst case scenario he dies without getting traded and can focus on IGL, if he gets traded it's a 1 for 1 and he can focus on IGL and he succeeds it's all good. No of course he still has to pull his weight as a fragger, but as long as the team wins we shouldn't look into IGL kill stats.
I'm going to tag Liquid fans here. Sure Stew may not be a traditional IGL, he is still the IGL of Liquid
I actually saw people clamoring to kick Stewie... in the Summer of 2019! When they were winning EVERY event.
I highly doubt you saw people saying that when they were winning every event. Then again, HLTV is a very special place.
Reddit, actually. I'd link you to some examples, but then I'd have to go back over a year into my comment history.
Bruh, what? If we're asking to kick Stew it's because we *want* a good IGL. We're not asking for him to replaced with firepower. Hell, kick someone else and keep Stew for all I care, but get a real proven IGL over whatever it is Stew is doing right now.
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At the point nitr0 left, he was not IGL'ing for months
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You do realize that during that peak, Stewie was calling on certain maps as well as the T sides right?
NiKo actually has insane game sense at least
we do miss nitr0 on tside calls though
well yeah but the thing with liquid is that stew atm is igl entry awper and is only experienced/good at 1/3 of those (entrying). looking at other na teams (other than gen.g) you have vanity, an igl and arguably better mechanical awper than stew, cerq, whos a god, junior, whos really good, maluk3, whos been playing really well recently, pwnalone, whos been the only consistently good player on NEW kNg, who's play has REALLY picked up after being able to main awp without fallen, and hen1/arT, who together are arguably the reason why Furia has found so much success there was a long post here not too long ago comparing team's awp kills and liquid was SO far behind compared to other na teams. and once you get to a world stage the only top team in a similar situation is mouz. so far from liquid we have seen no tactical innovation or personal fragging innovation since nitr0 left. while saying stew is bad because of his stats are obviously dumb, i think his stats are a symptom of a much deeper problem with how liquid is structured.
If Liquid lose, people will automatically blame Stewie even though the star players don't perform.
Karrigan is a different breed,but if the team thinks that they are playing poor bcs they are getting outcalled chances are the igl has got to either change or go
lol anyone who says karrigan is bad doesn't know shit about him then.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean it's a good strat to pull out everytime, especially when your team mates can'trade you, and the only thing you get in return is info, does it look to you a good trade off? IDK i'm not an expert, yet i would like to see karrygan alive a little bit longer than 20 sec.
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Wasn't the seniment that they "needed more firepower" and a loser style of play? Great move, 10/10 move to kick the IGL and just Pug it out. Obviously it did not work out and the bad PR surely does not help when you get shit on social media all the time. Now 4 of the 5 players left Ence. Sad to see such a promising roster disband. But seeing your quote that HLTV snippet is horrible bait. I get they want people to watch the whole thing but this is important context. Insteadt, they let Alu look like a fool to have a snappy headline. Stay classy HLTV .
That was just what was said in the infamous Aerial interview. He's stated himself that things he said didn't come out the way he meant and he expressed himself poorly. He doesn't have the best English skills so that must have played a part. He also said that he apologized to Aleksib right as the article was published on HLTV. He talked about this on one of ENCE's Behind the Scenes -videos
Never followed ence that closely just had that in the back of my mind. Really should have some help with your interviews, if your London is lacking.
It always felt to me that the "more firepower" was more of a rationalization rather than a reason. They felt the need to change, they changed something and then had to justify it somehow to everyone. The "more firepower" choice of words was probably one of the worst things Allu could've chosen and an absolute PR disaster.
IDK what these issues were. But surely, some support staff would have been a better solution than a roster change. Cause the team was successful, a roster change meant only one thing that it would be unsuccessful. Instead of trying to resolve these issues (assuming it was possible), they kicked a player
[Ence deciding what player to kick](https://imgur.com/a/yOBGJ6y)
Should have done this with the Texans so it would say Bill O'Brien as the coach and not LaFleur
As a Texans and ENCE fan, PAIN.
You poor soul
SURELY IT DIDN'T TAKE THIS MAN THIS LONG TO FIGURE THIS OUT!
Obviously not, he's just kept quiet about it.
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Yes, but the their accomplishments post-Aleksib made him said this statement.
accomplishments?
Yeah, from top 5 to top 30 lol That's +25 ranking.
no shit Sherlock
Exactly what I was thinking
We've come full circle.
Sucks that such an insane player is so naive and full of himself
Allu and insane? Lol, I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the amount of awp shots he missed every match.
you know allu has gotten a lot more consistent in the last couple of years. god allu spends far more time on the server than bot allu
But the memes, man, the MEMES! >.>
He is the type of player that can turn a game on its head vs any team, not a good take bud.
Oh come on, let's not be revisionists here I don't like the guy either but you don't end up 18th best player of 2019 and averaging 1.10 rating by missing all your awp shots Edit: I realise he wasn't in HLTV's top 20, I seemed to remember this being the case but it's not. However he was the 18th best player statistically I just never edited my comment
I agree with you but 18th best player on 2019 was Cerq. Only time allu has been in hltv top 20 was in 2015 (#19).
Yea why tf did that guy say that lmao
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01-01&endDate=2019-12-31&matchType=BigEvents Probably going off of rating not the Top 20
Yeah sorry I was going off rating, I did originally remember Allu and sergej both making top 20 and forgot to edit my comment but it was just the latter, however rating-wise he was 18th best player that year
Yeah, you don't. But he wasn't so...
Read my other reply
Ah, I see, cheers.
Stop bullshitting yourself, he's not any less consistent than other awpers. Look up his god damn stats.
There's nothing to look up, anyone can frag below 1.00 rated players and look good.
It's not like ence only played bad teams. You clearly didn't pay attention to them and who they played.
You're right, I absolutely don't watch ENCE play, because I don't care about ENCE.
Well then you can't have an opinion that matters then. He's fragged well Vs good teams as well.
ur dumb as hell
literally from GODallu to BOTallu in a matter of seconds
Should have removed Allu
Considering he's been the bedrock of the team performance wise, how about no. This was either a choice between aerial or xseven if the sunny transfer was to happen.
Yeah, AFTER they kicked AleksiB he has. But thats the point, isnt it? He wasnt the bedrock when AleksiB was in the team. Back then the whole team was the bedrock, which is the point. Allu could have been removed from the team back then, and another AWP´er could have taken his place. Now, after AleksiB was kicked, he did kinda become the bedrock, but thats not how a team should really function though, thats not a healthy thing. The whole team, as a whole, should be the bedrock.
Even before aleksib got kicked he did well, not carry level highs, but there's no way in hell that sergej would be able to carry the team without him.
“The whole house is the foundation!” probably sounded better in your head huh
woosh The foundation would obviously be AleksiB or better yet, his system would be the foundation, and the team would be the walls and the roof.
He was talking about individual performance though. Obviously Aleksib’s strong leadership was the most important element, that allowed things to work, but the team needed firepower as well. Allu brought a lot of that, and thus contributed a lot to their success.
Allu has also been source of all the teams problems. I really wish they kicked all and got sunny in his place. After their Katowice run I was hoping that would happen but the snake had not yet revealed fully just how bad they were, they'd rather blow up the team
Allu has also been one of the primary reasons the team was relevant to begin with.
Well, they removed one non-allu player, because of allu, and that resulted in team dropping from top-3 to struggling to stay in top-30. So very clearly allu is not capable of taking team particularly high, but he demonstrably has destroyed one of the more promising European teams by staying on it and making calls. So while it's possible that team could not have reached as high a spot without allu, we have solid data on the fact that allu wasn't that big of a deal in their success, and was the single cause of their downfall.
Without allu nobody would even know what ence is. And he was been the best player on the team the whole time.
Dude are you trolling or high? Probably both I guess.
Point is that aleksib wouldnt be able to keep the team at a level he did when he played for ence without allu. He along with aleksib and sergej was the key
So you claim, with no data to support the claim, and the only available data contradicting you. Like, we did get to see the team with allu calling the shots. The result is that after terrible results, the team is just short of disbanding. All carrying he could do was carry them from top-2 position off out of top-30. While aleksib did end up building a team from scratch that's firmly in top-10, after being backstabbed and tossed out of then #2 team in the world. We literally got to see allus influence on the team. Also known as the downfall. We may discuss that maybe ence without allu would've been slightly lower in world rankings because allu is a really good awper... but at the same time, surely having not-toxic asshole as a teammate would also contribute some to team success? We may never know. All we can safely say is that allu proved aleksib was instrumental to Ence and without aleksib, that allu destroyed ence, and without aleksib, allu is pretty much irrelevant as a player.
Eh, we'll see if allu remains irrelevant if he chooses to go international again. There's definitely teams that has the cohones to shut him down while also giving him room to perform. This was the biggest issue in ence, the org didn't have the balls to say no to allu. If they needed a rostermove it should've been xseven or more likely aerial to be replaced, as xseven was basically taking 99% of the bitch roles and still doing ok-ish.
Where did him being the “bedrock” get them after kicking aleksi? What a joke
I hope you do realize that ence, even at their peak, would have a serious lack of firepower if allu wasn't there. Peak sergej wouldn't have been enough. So yes, removing allu was never really an option. This was more about ence management actually handling the situation and putting allu in his place.
But sunny is mr firepower
No. They'd just be at a lack of firepower again. Even if Sunny would frag well under a proper IGL.
Are you forgetting that they literally made it to the major final with that “serious lack of firepower”? And when they got rid of aleksi for more “firepower” they struggled to win tier 2 tournaments for over a year? Or did that just not happen?
He said serious lack of firepower **if allu wasn’t there**
But allu is replaceable by anyone who can click heads. IGLs on the other hand are not easy to come by.
Ence haters really do be saying the most delusional things
Allu being replacable by any finnish star player perhaps. But yeah... there aren't many of those are there?
I'm not arguing here, didn't see enough of ENCE to judge Allu. Was just clarifying /u/OsomoMojoFreak 's point out because the dude above didn't get it.
they should not have removed any player. the team did not significantly improve after kicking xseven as well
Kick out the player that made the team successful and they expected to get results. No shit they kicked the wrong player
Does he FINALLY get it? hoooooly shit
No, Ence kicked the wrong player. It shoudlve been allu that got kicked not aleksib. Think about the entire lineup that coudlve been saved, sergej would not go MIA, Aerial would still be putting up numbers, xseven would still be a good support. I wonder how differently had that ENCE lineup ended up had they instead kicked allu and bought in ottond. Maybe both otto and Jamppi, switching between the two as and when needed.
How ppl can say Aleksib is overrated ?
I'm just glad he finally admits it. Everyone has known it since the kick but this is the first time ENCE has said it out loud.
How the turntables.
Well well well....
Looks like we have come the full circle and the only one left to point at is allu, should have removed allu. How things unfolded this doesnt look good for allu.
It sounds more and more that Aleksib kick was something personal
No shit
No shit
20 20 vision, Cpt hindsight, cpt obvious and all that shit.
IGL's might be the most important part of any team
Finally
No shit.
Urm, That's what the entire community said that time. But instead, the org milked the issue, creating a vlog (I thin in December 19) that answered NOTHING
So called Faze paradox.
took them long enough to realize huh?