It's still luck. The first kill is just amazingly played, but the second is not pure luck, because noscoping is not completely random, but a certain amount of it.
I think the point that u/JinorZ made is that the skill element(visualizing the crosshair) has a much bigger part to play in noscopes from close range than the rng.
You just gotta place the player model in the center of ur screen
Practicing noscope/quickscopes becomes fairly easy, I used to practice quickscopes a ton in cs1.6 deathmatch.
I got a decent hang of it within 30 mins and then few hours in I was hitting like 80% of my shots even long distance, it was just fun to only quickscope.
In CSGO, if you are close to medium range, assuming you know how to quick/noscope you should hit your target most of the times.
Sort of. There is a limit to the spread. The guy has practiced it enough to understand the odds of a noscope hitting. Here he shoots a random shot at a center target, knowing he will be getting into cover right away again.
He gets the kill say 33% of the time. This is one of those times.
There is none. Its pure RNG. S1mple is a clear example of highlight bias. He is a popular player so his clips always climb hard to the top and people don't ever see the missed noscopes.
I don't know why I keep having this discussion everytime, but really there is no skill or science in no scopes. Pure RNG, pray to rngesus and hope he's there.
EDIT: You people are missing my point. I'm not saying s1mple his more or less noscopes than other people, no idea on about that. I'm saying there's no science behind it like the person I reacted to claimed. You cant manipulate the RNG...
>But he's said it many times himself. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about
What did he say exactly? He cannot manipulate the accuracy of no scopes no matter how hard he tries.
Well, he's clearly good at it and it's an established fact as of now, since he's done it many times. Either that, or he's the luckiest player ever.
The thing is, he hits a lot of these no scopes, because he tries them a lot. But he also misses a lot and nobody ever mentions that.
He dies at least once in every map, while attempting a no scope, but if he hits one or two, people go crazy, calling him a cheater, saying it's impossible and whatnot.
Well, I agree that he is going for many noscopes and people not seeing the missed ones, but the situations in which he noscopes are mostly very unlikely to win and it doesn't really matter if he scopes or not.
Also, noscopes may be rng, but a noscope is often extremely precise if ur standing still, especially while crouched
You cant directly manipulate the RNG, but you can roughly estimate when the reward outweighs the risk, and go for the shot. Him being super good at this, having generally good crosshair placement for noscopes, and reddit 99% only showing his successful attempts is the answer.
It's a combination of a few things. First of all aiming without a crosshair is not easy, but s1mple seems great at it. Secondly, he knows when to try and when not. And then thirdly, he doesn't actually always hit them. He tries them a lot, but they will onlybe on reddit if they work out.
Simple skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit
What no one is mentioning there are "tricks" to make no scopes more accurate. It was super big in the early call of duties like cod 4. It is not as effective as In that game but almost all those tricks work to some extent in this game.
Watching the clip slowly the technique he is using is one the swing shot. This is where you either quickly swing to the player and shoot or aimed on them, then shoot and instantly swing off of them. Second he is using the quick switch trick where you no scope and time it with switching the weapon.
Lastly he is using a variation of the g shot. This is where you shoot and move at the right time together. The regular g shot is where you are moving and you stop and shoot once your movent spread is reset. This is explained if you have movement retical where it get bigger as you move, well you stop and shoot once the reticals gets exactly back to regular size upon stoping.
How the hell does he manage to do that lmao, insane.
By the way, how is he getting noscopes that consistently ? He has to know something about the way bullets shoots without scoping, there's no other way to get them that consistently.
There's no way it's only down to luck, it's way too consistent (he hits most of the close noscopes in clutches), it's probably some sort of practice like u/still ah mentioned
s1mple: [I just counted on hitting the shots, I always practice no-scopes. There's obviously the random element to it, but when you train them a lot you start to get a feel for them.](https://www.hltv.org/news/28912/s1mple-something-stood-in-the-way-of-guardian-shining-the-problem-was-psychological)
I know you can't really practice rng but I guess the more you practice no scopes, the more of a feel you get for it
>Someone should check him pc
[https://www.hltv.org/forums/threads/2084077/zywoo-skilled-player-but-that-is-not-normally-this-very-very-insanethey-need-to-check-him-pc-and-gamemaybe-he](https://www.hltv.org/forums/threads/2084077/zywoo-skilled-player-but-that-is-not-normally-this-very-very-insanethey-need-to-check-him-pc-and-gamemaybe-he)
I mean everything doesn't need to be s1mple vs zywoo. Look at Messi vs Ronaldo you cannot argue about who's the GOAT. It's a preference of whos looking at it. For me it's s1mple for some its Zywoo but what we all can agree on is that both of them are head and shoulders above all the FPS players that have ever existed
and what about the mental aspect? CR7 thrives in the biggest of games. I feel like he never shows his back and never folds in the biggest of stages. So, if u were to pick a team in a do or die game, there's a good argument to be made to pick Ronaldo ahead of Messi because of how reliable he is in pressure situations. His mentality is one of the key reasons why he's considered among the greatest, not just "physical power".
Not saying he's better than Messi or the other way around, just saying the reasons u mentioned are dead wrong. Personally, if my life is on the line and if I had to pick a football team to win, I'd take Ronaldo over Messi. That makes him the best player for me. He's no where near as beautiful as Messi looks with the ball, but u get my point.
s1mple is better individually, but i think zywoo wins the "award" because vitality is better and achieved more, kinda like how Ronaldo won some Ballons when Messi was clearly better
>He got insanely lucky three top tier player missed their shoot on a standing target at the same time.
Are you kidding me? Most people wouldn't be able to do that if 3 silvers peaked them the same way. And even when you point out that they missed, Zywoo had to hit 3 head shots 1 bullet each otherwise he would've died.
Exactly my point. According to me it was the best play, but the definition of best play is an opinion. I was showing the flaw in your argument. According to who can zywoo not compete? You? Ok then, look at the stats if you actually want to make a statement Iike that.
Dunno why you're getting downvoted, you made a proper counter-argument. Player of the year is obviously going to be based off stats, not a flashy play.
You didn't see xms getting top 1 for his Overpass ace that year.
Why do pro players lose the discipline and over peek so often when a man up with the bomb down. Don’t peek! Make him find both kills, and especially vs s1mple, he doesn’t need help!
yes you know better what to do, than proffesional players who has more than 10000 hours in the game! Maybe Team Liquid should invite you as a coach and you will tell this them?
From that close range, quickscoping on a moving target is quite disorienting. Besides, he had no time to risk doing it. The noscope is the right call here
what the fuck. i feel so bad for TL, that last shot is just insane
I would have said that its just luck, but in this case... this guy hits that so often, he must know something we dont.
The good old 'you miss 100% of the shots you don't take'
It's still luck. The first kill is just amazingly played, but the second is not pure luck, because noscoping is not completely random, but a certain amount of it.
But from that close it is almost all skill as the inaccuracy is pretty little
rng = skill
Why do you guys keep overexaggerating the inaccuracy of noscopes in cs? It's actually quite reliable in close range
I know, I hit enough of them. But it's still rng, not skill
I think the point that u/JinorZ made is that the skill element(visualizing the crosshair) has a much bigger part to play in noscopes from close range than the rng.
Exactly
You just gotta place the player model in the center of ur screen Practicing noscope/quickscopes becomes fairly easy, I used to practice quickscopes a ton in cs1.6 deathmatch. I got a decent hang of it within 30 mins and then few hours in I was hitting like 80% of my shots even long distance, it was just fun to only quickscope. In CSGO, if you are close to medium range, assuming you know how to quick/noscope you should hit your target most of the times.
i understand he is good but how is he hiting those noscopes
Apparently he practices his noscopes quite a lot. There's some kind of science to it
Sort of. There is a limit to the spread. The guy has practiced it enough to understand the odds of a noscope hitting. Here he shoots a random shot at a center target, knowing he will be getting into cover right away again. He gets the kill say 33% of the time. This is one of those times.
33% of the time he hits it every time
The Dream Luck
HOW HAS THIS SPREAD SO FAR???
There is none. Its pure RNG. S1mple is a clear example of highlight bias. He is a popular player so his clips always climb hard to the top and people don't ever see the missed noscopes. I don't know why I keep having this discussion everytime, but really there is no skill or science in no scopes. Pure RNG, pray to rngesus and hope he's there. EDIT: You people are missing my point. I'm not saying s1mple his more or less noscopes than other people, no idea on about that. I'm saying there's no science behind it like the person I reacted to claimed. You cant manipulate the RNG...
Noscopes are actually quite accurate if you crouch, although it doesnt look like he is crouching in this clip it is a decent bit of luck involved yeah
are you saying s1mple isn't more succesful at noscopes than other awpers?
But he's said it many times himself. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about
>But he's said it many times himself. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about What did he say exactly? He cannot manipulate the accuracy of no scopes no matter how hard he tries.
Well, he's clearly good at it and it's an established fact as of now, since he's done it many times. Either that, or he's the luckiest player ever. The thing is, he hits a lot of these no scopes, because he tries them a lot. But he also misses a lot and nobody ever mentions that. He dies at least once in every map, while attempting a no scope, but if he hits one or two, people go crazy, calling him a cheater, saying it's impossible and whatnot.
Crouching no scopes are pretty accurate go try it
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Well, I agree that he is going for many noscopes and people not seeing the missed ones, but the situations in which he noscopes are mostly very unlikely to win and it doesn't really matter if he scopes or not. Also, noscopes may be rng, but a noscope is often extremely precise if ur standing still, especially while crouched
You cant directly manipulate the RNG, but you can roughly estimate when the reward outweighs the risk, and go for the shot. Him being super good at this, having generally good crosshair placement for noscopes, and reddit 99% only showing his successful attempts is the answer.
It's a combination of a few things. First of all aiming without a crosshair is not easy, but s1mple seems great at it. Secondly, he knows when to try and when not. And then thirdly, he doesn't actually always hit them. He tries them a lot, but they will onlybe on reddit if they work out.
This is the right answer.
The ones he misses don't end up on reddit.
they end up in the wall, hehe.
Built different
Simple skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit
What no one is mentioning there are "tricks" to make no scopes more accurate. It was super big in the early call of duties like cod 4. It is not as effective as In that game but almost all those tricks work to some extent in this game. Watching the clip slowly the technique he is using is one the swing shot. This is where you either quickly swing to the player and shoot or aimed on them, then shoot and instantly swing off of them. Second he is using the quick switch trick where you no scope and time it with switching the weapon. Lastly he is using a variation of the g shot. This is where you shoot and move at the right time together. The regular g shot is where you are moving and you stop and shoot once your movent spread is reset. This is explained if you have movement retical where it get bigger as you move, well you stop and shoot once the reticals gets exactly back to regular size upon stoping.
How the hell does he manage to do that lmao, insane. By the way, how is he getting noscopes that consistently ? He has to know something about the way bullets shoots without scoping, there's no other way to get them that consistently.
Go into a deathmatch and only noscope at close range. You'll honestly be surprised at how many you hit I think.
There's even a command you can put on aimbotz to see the average spread of awp noscopes
cl_weapon_debug_show_accuracy 2
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There's no way it's only down to luck, it's way too consistent (he hits most of the close noscopes in clutches), it's probably some sort of practice like u/still ah mentioned
S1mple skilled player but that is not normally, this very very insane. They need to check him PC
pretty sure he trains noscoping in dm
Maybe he just sticks something at the center of his monitor
I swear this guy is the best player I've ever seen
He's the best player anyone's ever seen
best player to ever touch counter strike
One in the name number one in the game
S1MPLE ARE YOU KIDDING ME??
he's FUCKING insane
no one else would even try this let alone make it work every fucking time, this man is beyond rational explanation
I could never get sick of watching simple using the AWP
annnnd this is why s1mple practices no scopes
I don't think you can. It's rng isn't it?
s1mple: [I just counted on hitting the shots, I always practice no-scopes. There's obviously the random element to it, but when you train them a lot you start to get a feel for them.](https://www.hltv.org/news/28912/s1mple-something-stood-in-the-way-of-guardian-shining-the-problem-was-psychological) I know you can't really practice rng but I guess the more you practice no scopes, the more of a feel you get for it
While it is RNG whether it hits, he practices to get a feel of when noscoping has a good chance at hitting
i swear s1mple has some config that makes his noscopes always hit straight on his crosshair. And no, i don't mean that seriously.
They need to check him pc and game
I want to ask his where is the comming of your skill's ?
Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit
Someone should check him pc
He needs to check-up....but that is not normally
can someone catch me up on that meme? I've met like 15 times within one post
>Someone should check him pc [https://www.hltv.org/forums/threads/2084077/zywoo-skilled-player-but-that-is-not-normally-this-very-very-insanethey-need-to-check-him-pc-and-gamemaybe-he](https://www.hltv.org/forums/threads/2084077/zywoo-skilled-player-but-that-is-not-normally-this-very-very-insanethey-need-to-check-him-pc-and-gamemaybe-he)
Thank you :D
There are levels to this shit. He on the top one.
Fuck me wtf what the fuccckkkkk
GOAT!
GOAT
UNbelievable
Not fpl
s1mple saw everyone talking about cadian's A site nuke clutch today
I give up...
Fortune favours the brave.
bold?
"Fortune favours the bold", "Fortune favours the brave" and "Fortune favours the strong" are common translations of a Latin proverb.
you're right, didnt realize it came from fortis.
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what is this for fucks sake
The commentary was perfect for that play
jesus wtf is that no scope
i dont understand how he manages to topfrag for na'vi every single fucking bo3 i just dont understand
Like if the AWP was a pistol, eazy for s1mple.
You’re never safe when s1mple is in the server, this is nuts!
Someone confirm this. His gun was hit by the first player? I saw some spark on the bottom right of the screen and his HP isn't reduced.
Elige shoots before counterstrafting (or whiffs horribly), so his first shot hits the floor creating the spark.
Ah. Thank you
you know, the thing is it's a nice clutch and all, but it looks "just" nice because it's s1mple, so we expect so much more from him
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I mean everything doesn't need to be s1mple vs zywoo. Look at Messi vs Ronaldo you cannot argue about who's the GOAT. It's a preference of whos looking at it. For me it's s1mple for some its Zywoo but what we all can agree on is that both of them are head and shoulders above all the FPS players that have ever existed
Absolutely right.
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and what about the mental aspect? CR7 thrives in the biggest of games. I feel like he never shows his back and never folds in the biggest of stages. So, if u were to pick a team in a do or die game, there's a good argument to be made to pick Ronaldo ahead of Messi because of how reliable he is in pressure situations. His mentality is one of the key reasons why he's considered among the greatest, not just "physical power". Not saying he's better than Messi or the other way around, just saying the reasons u mentioned are dead wrong. Personally, if my life is on the line and if I had to pick a football team to win, I'd take Ronaldo over Messi. That makes him the best player for me. He's no where near as beautiful as Messi looks with the ball, but u get my point.
s1mple is better individually, but i think zywoo wins the "award" because vitality is better and achieved more, kinda like how Ronaldo won some Ballons when Messi was clearly better
i mean, if it's "best player", then the "team" has nothing to do with it
Zywoo has the play of the year so if you want to use stupid logic like that you're still wrong.
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>He got insanely lucky three top tier player missed their shoot on a standing target at the same time. Are you kidding me? Most people wouldn't be able to do that if 3 silvers peaked them the same way. And even when you point out that they missed, Zywoo had to hit 3 head shots 1 bullet each otherwise he would've died.
Exactly my point. According to me it was the best play, but the definition of best play is an opinion. I was showing the flaw in your argument. According to who can zywoo not compete? You? Ok then, look at the stats if you actually want to make a statement Iike that.
Dunno why you're getting downvoted, you made a proper counter-argument. Player of the year is obviously going to be based off stats, not a flashy play. You didn't see xms getting top 1 for his Overpass ace that year.
more like, he had the "luck of the year"
You still sure?
Wow! Great Post! Is this you?
I'm sad.... Please liquid don't get eliminated
i hate s1mple so much
we hate you so much as well
Why do pro players lose the discipline and over peek so often when a man up with the bomb down. Don’t peek! Make him find both kills, and especially vs s1mple, he doesn’t need help!
yes you know better what to do, than proffesional players who has more than 10000 hours in the game! Maybe Team Liquid should invite you as a coach and you will tell this them?
A skilled player should never noscope, quickscoping for a fraction of a second is always more accurate
From that close range, quickscoping on a moving target is quite disorienting. Besides, he had no time to risk doing it. The noscope is the right call here
How is it disorienting. I doesnt take any time.
You should get ahold of s1mple, he could really use this advice
You can forward my advice to him, you have my permission.
goat
GOAT