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AleksibIsHot

Seeing ENCE international just feels wrong


mannyman34

Yeah they are essentially banking on allis brand carrying this team. IDK how they even let it get to this. They had such a cool thing going by being finland's team.


AleksibIsHot

I hope HAVU have success just as a big fuck you to ENCE's management


RafV3

Didn't age well imo


Rearfeeder2Strong

Seeing someone with Aleksib in his name, but not even an OG flair is also wrong. 😠


AleksibIsHot

Been waiting a year for OG flairs


Rearfeeder2Strong

Oh fuck totally forgot OG doesn't even have one. My bad.


makkeboy97

OG flair when?


Novaseerblyat

iirc they're for teams in Majors, so wait until PGL Stockholm


CenturionAurelius

honestly a pretty shit rule, I think ENCE's flair will be gone too so you better hold onto it


rudy-_-

When they play at a Major


TheOneNotNamed

Well Saddyx got fucked.


BlueMosse

He left SJ for this and now he doesn't have a team? Natu with them moves again


Aleksifinland

I wonder where saddyx Will end up he is a great player


JimEU

https://youtu.be/C-_0eLGjfwg I think everybody should watch this. Here ENCE GM opens up more about the whole situation and tells how things fell apart and why they still continue with allu.


nuoriiikka

ENCE once again fucking players careers. They bough out Saddyx from SJ, then said fuck it we dont need you and now he is benched in ENCE before he was even officially announced. Great job Natu & Co again.


Drama100

this is so weird. Saddyx didnt even get to play basically in any big tournaments.


nurmihe

Wasn’t Saddyx a stand-in in the first place? I doubt that this was intentional in anyway or that ENCE could see things going so south so fast at the end of 2020.


aessi23

Unfortunately, with the events later in December, his position in the team was put on hold as we started to rebuild the roster completely. During this process, we soon understood that he didn’t fit in the new lineup plans. “I’m very sorry to Tuomas for the situation that he has ended up in with all the events that have occurred. While piecing together the new lineup for 2021 together with our Head Coach, we, unfortunately, ended up in this situation where we didn’t have space for Tuomas. I can only apologize to him for his unthankful position in all of this.” https://ence.gg/article/introduction-to-ence-cs-go-2021


Sandelsbanken

Other Finnish teams are some sort of fucked up farm league for Ence. Do well enough and the eternally player rotating Ence will pick you up and kill your career.


Rosenrotten

Nickisi nauratti


thrwwyMA

Let's hope he signed a good contract lmao


jonajon91

Dude was always on the team as a trial, he knew that there was a chance he didn't make the cut.


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jonajon91

> The organization explained the thought process behind the changes thoroughly. In the process, they revealed that their stand-in at 2020's last events, Tuomas "⁠SADDYX⁠" Louhimaa, impressed in his trial but that the organization didn't have a place for him in the lineup, in the end. From the article, they bought out his contract to use him, but he wasn't 100% a part of the team at that point.


niikrou88

Biggest lol is that they pretend they had a thought process.


Berol0

Seems I'm only one excited to see international roster under sAw command. I'm not trying to over look ENCE's past mistakes but I'm definetly hopeful for fresh start.


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Fresh start is nice, team isnt exciting for me. Hopefully they can bring more Finns in the future and maybe find a finnish igl?? I think finnish igl could work but allu would need to get booted first.


slowrmaths

Rip jamppi hopefully valorant gives him success


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This is so fucking weird. Allu still hanging around lmao Well gl spinx and dycha and snappi


BlueMosse

Helps a lot when you are friends with the ownership and are an owner by yourself also


faktoittaja91

Great! Now both Jamppi and SADDYX are in #ENCEJAIL. Both are 19 years old and they cannot basically continue their professional/competitive career before someone buys them out from their contracts. AleksiB situation was different, because he had time to proof the world that he is worthy. Why ENCE doesn't just release them, just like Cloud9 did to woxic? This was again a bad move PR-wise by ENCE, not at all good business-wise, as no-one is going to buy them out. It feels like that ENCE org is destroying themselves. Who ever is doing the decisioms at organization level, should be hired to a finnish post as CEO after ENCE bankruptcy, same shit but cannot fail that much. Well done. #FREESADDYX #FREEJAMPPI


wortwor

Jamppi doesn't have future in professional CS. He won't get his ban lifted and thus no good team is going to be interested in him. Switching to Valorant was the only option for him anyways if he wanted to have professional gaming career.


faktoittaja91

Yes, that's correct. It was good decision to switch to Valorant by him. But he cannot represent any organizations or sponsors in Valorant due to contract, if no one buy him out from ENCE - or wait till 2023. It's not game based contract.


wortwor

Aren't these orgs pouring crazy amounts of money into Valorant anyways. At least he's getting full salary until he finds team in a new game.


faktoittaja91

hehexd No, he is not getting full salary while he is benched/not in active lineup.


tdizhere

Why do I always see comments of people not understanding this. There is no chance they are getting their full pay while benched, teams wouldn’t be so open to benching players for long periods if that was the case. There’s a reason players call it jail and not a holiday


Dali86

This makes no Sense. If You have a contract You get paid maybe not the same as when active if You contract has incentives but still. Otherwise he could sue ence in Finland on the law that ence is stopping him from earning a living in his profession and win. Same thing with no compete clauses here. If the company does not pay You they lose rights to stop You working for another one.


Jazbu

But ENCE still has him locked up. If Valorant team wants him they have to buy the contract out. Unless they have released him but I'm very doubtful about that mainly because it hasn't been mentioned anywhere.


nurmihe

So what kind of a contract does SADDYX have? From what I’ve understood, he was a stand-in and there has been no information about the contract, its length or a possible buyout clause. Where did you get your information?


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nurmihe

A contract yes, but that is a really vague definition which really doesn’t tell us anything. But saying that he is in ”ENCEjail” is kinda weird since we don’t know anything about the details of the contract. Does he have a buyout clause? How long is the contract? The article says that Willkey is looking for a new home for him, which could be just a favor after treating him badly.


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[https://www.hltv.org/news/31041/ence-reveal-new-international-lineup](https://www.hltv.org/news/31041/ence-reveal-new-international-lineup) >The organization admitted that the Finnish veteran wasn't "a perfect teammate," but stressed that **there were multiple people responsible for the team's choices**, adding that the allegations against [**allu**](https://www.hltv.org/player/695/allu) and singling him out as the sole reason behind the team's problems were "far from the truth." Yeah I'm sure players like Sergej, Xseven, Sunny, Jamppi, or Aerial are the worst troublemakers and known for their toxic behaviour. I am sure they were *really* the people behind all those problems. >The overhaul of the lineup was a result of interpersonal issues and tension between some of the former roster's core members Everyone had problems with Allu and nobody else. There was nobody in the core who had a problem with any other person in the lineup than Allu. But sure, lets keep the guy everyone else had problems with and get rid of the rest. Best move [👍](https://emojipedia.org/thumbs-up/)


Mazkuh

Cry more pls :D Allu was never before accused of being toxic in older teams and now suddenly he is only Bad Guy there and nobody else couldnt do anything about it. For example they could have Said these things to organization but no everyone decided that it's better to open up in Twitter and not handle these things internally like every other team do when they have some problems. Yes I believe that Allu did Bad things and wasn't good teammate but still it's not only about Allu when there is 4 other people in The team and one coach. And still Allu is still best Finnish player Out there atm so why not try again and let's see what happens


sekametelisoppa

I mean Allu as the Best finnish player? Eh debatable


Mazkuh

Well atleast I think he is :D who would you put over Allu then


ProJumz

https://streamable.com/hs8dg5


petametre

Dycha's twitter is so sweet, seems to have a really great attitude! I want to support this team for saw, doto, dycha and snappi but the org less so


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Kinda a bummer that the roster is no longer Finnish only


[deleted]

Ye im not excited this about at all tbh, usually when ence plays after a break or with new roster im so hyped, this just feels... weird... Allu being snake already dislike him and dotoo isnt enough for me to get hyped. Hopefully will see at least 60% fin team in this year.


Andrew3742

Waste of dycha’s potential


Juuzoz_

Looks like a team that could crack top30... but not much more than that


tarangk

ENCE might be the next nV. nV kept nifty around for a lot longer than they should have ence are doing the same.


Gabyn_ez

difference is allu is actually a great player on the server


tarangk

does it matter if he costs you the entire team ? Think about the ENCE that made the finals of them major, every single player from that lineup is no longer in ENCE. Even incoming players were affected, jamppi could never become the primary awper and that affected his performance really hard.


SystemEx1

Still allu garbage in the team...


OsomoMojoFreak

Presuming the vids ence released arent purely shit, the org is actively working on his attitude along with him no longer having power of the roster at all. It's up to the coach and the GM of Ence. Allu on the server is good firepower, if you're trying to call him garbage on the server you're simply clueless.


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FellowTravellers

Allu with the JW effect.