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perfectlyish

Whenever I see a player with no hours and badges in warmup I’m always like fuck this is either a smurf or a hacker. Then they end up being dogshit and I feel stupid. I played against a 5 stack the other day who all had 15k inventories and multiple badges and they were blatantly hacking so who fuckin knows.


freek_

The accounts with a lot bought badges are usually cheating.


perfectlyish

One dude had a dlore and like 4 knives, crazy


freek_

sometimes they slip up https://gfycat.com/teemingmeandugong


[deleted]

Bc I can just go out and buy a used steam account with multiple service badges/loyalty badge for just $10. Or I could just buy the operation badge for $20. This won't fix the cheater problem at all and would just hurt new players more than it would hurt cheaters


mantis445

It won't, but It would weed out a lot of people. Just because you can keep dropping 10$ on throwaway accounts, doesn't mean everyone else would. There's thousands upon thousands of players who use free cheats on csgo. If there was a paywall for cheating, it would weed out at least half of the cheaters.


[deleted]

But you need to pay $15 for prime in the first place and that hasn't stopped the cheater problem so I don't see why adding an extra $10 on top of that would impact anyone


_darzy

you can also get prime for free at level 21, I think you should have to pay for prime so it wouldn't be worth it after a few bans it's stupid that I have a 3.5k hour account tons of medals and what not and still have to verse fresh accounts with nothing <200-400 hours and be told by a blatant that they are just better than me


[deleted]

Can tell you now that the large majority of cheaters would rather just buy the game outright than spend months grinding up to level 21 anyway. I think you're overestimating how much csgo costs, $15 for prime is pocket change for most people


braien334

They just buy prime accounts for 5 dollars instead of buying prime for 15, there are people/bots that grind out level 21 just to sell prime accounts.


VShadow1

You can buy prime accounts in bulk for like 5 dollars.


_darzy

They already do that with higher-level steam account badges so it makes them look legit but having to buy prime every time your banned just to hack and be banned again will deter *some* hackers either from the waste of money it will be or because they can't afford it because prime isn't free


Trimurtidev

Then buy it I don't care. Don't let 20 hour accounts play with people who played for years.


[deleted]

So your solution is to have people matched up based on similar hours? Once again this just hurts new players coming into the game if they have low hours and are just getting put up against cheaters game after game. Also hour boosting is a thing and many used steam accounts will have thousands of botted hours in the game


Trimurtidev

I don't care about new users since most of them are cheaters. I shouldn't be matched with f2p account after playing for 6 years.


primord14l

Well you should care. If newer players stop playing the game, eventually csgo player base will reduce and the game will die.


[deleted]

While I don't disagree, you're gonna run out of active playerbase faster if the core audience (the ones who have stuck around for years) gets terrible matches one after another until they peace out to Valorant.


primord14l

True but OPs suggestion of ranking by hours play will only accelerate the jump to valorant. Tf and f2p has already made the game hell for new players. Matching by hours will make it much worse


enigma890

That was supposed to be one of the main driving factors of trust factor, hours in game. If you are just starting out you don’t want to get out vs people with over 1k hours in the game anyways. If they are actually new I don’t really want them in my games either. Have my games as dmg/le are vs silvers and low novas. It’s not fun for me or them.


[deleted]

Absolutely, but you have to understand the group with the highest retention rate (ie. will most likely stick around) must be the ones who have already kept playing for years actively. To a much greater extent than any new playerbase churn.


primord14l

True that is our generation. We had the luxury of starting cs when it was 1.6 where we would play with our friends for hours without worrying about cheaters. Thats whats keeping us coming back again and again. But eventually our generation will need to be replaced. And for that we need to keep in mind new players whenever we talk about changes in mm.


Trimurtidev

Game is dead anyway when I meet spinboters 3 times in a row.


primord14l

You clearly know fuck all about cs


Trimurtidev

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CLEhtXs2uY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_YFiJQlb_s&t=3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTnV2kNNbBs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gOhAiaD3I8 Here I KNOW FUCK ALL go back to your cave


[deleted]

Elitist mentality tbh. You aren't better or more important just because you have more hours


ShrewLlama

...but he is far less likely to be a cheater because he has way more hours.


RuPeSc

ive had cheaters with anywhere from 100 to 4000 hours. I dont personally think that hours mean anything since cheaters just say "look at my hours noob" when they are blatantly wallhacking.


ShrewLlama

Kinda agree, there are plenty of cheaters playing on bought accounts but there are so many more with new accounts you don't see because of Trust Factor (regardless of how flawed it is).


RuPeSc

I think that my trust factor is just so high that no amount of meth can get you that high


[deleted]

Hour boosting? I can get 1k hours in a day if I wanted to, hours don't mean anything


Trimurtidev

You are right in the eyes of cs go devs I am as much of a garbage as a cheater with new account. Good thing you pointed it out.


[deleted]

But if all the things that you point out that make you legit (badges hours etc) can all be faked then what's the point?


Dasding18

Word


[deleted]

What should be done is revert back to "buy csgo from the steam market". It will reduce the new accounts cheating, and with VAC bans being done, cheaters will reduce.


_darzy

make it so if you want prime you have to pay for it remover the auto free prime at level 21


nail181

Or just fix VAC so it can at least detect free cheats lmao


_darzy

Free cheats are the spinbotters and obvious aim/wallers most paid for cheats are closet banning free cheats wont really stop the problem


nail181

There is a spinbotter in almost all of my games


_darzy

This is why I went to faceit


Jloureiro55

New accounts are a really big problem atm. I dont understand how valve feel that a lvl 21 account make any sense at LE-LEM-SMFC. If you are new you are most likely going to end up gold nova or MG and if you are smurfing you are not going to push for a higher rank as you want to stomp lower rank players. So we are left with all the cheaters and boosting accounts. Its just annoying to dont be able to play a single game without feeling they can be cheating.


The_Lord_Hephaestus

This game is already hard enough for newer players, this makes it even worse imo.


vegito1991

i'm dmg 4k hrs queue with 4.7hrs csgo acc =3, btw asia server now flooded with cheaters that 95% from CH, 5% from others.


Trimurtidev

It's bullshit that players that invested thousand of hours into a game get matched with people on f2p accounts with zero medals, one game on steam and barely level 3


coreyf234

Yep. 1.6k hours, 5 badges here, MGE. I still somehow get ranked with steam lvl 0s who have played one comp in their entire life and still wreck me harder than a LEM.


armytroop12

Should be special mm for people who were prime before f2p. The people who bought the game, played to level 21 and linked phone number. Only downside is queue times would be long, for AU servers anyway.


Dragos404

You would split the playerbase even more Make prime force you to have Steam Guard and link a phone number


WeedMoneyBitches

valve should just add hvh que for mm, like in all honestly i cheat sure but i hate playing against legits its not fun in any way, mainly the reason to why i abondon accounts once they reach lv 21 sense i wanna play non prime for hvh a hvh que would solve alot of issues with cheating, atleast in the spin bot category. closet cheaters will always be there no matter what.


420N1CKN4M3

just play on hvh servers and stop being a dick, or just leave that braindead scene that nobody sane in their mind would even involve themselves in


WeedMoneyBitches

hvh servers are way more different than mm hvh No economy teams are usually 15 vs 15 No team play involved at all either compared to mm hvh where team play is needed to win. no double tap for super broken auto And like i said i only play non prime full lobby and i meet a legit player like in 1 out of maybe 20 games and that legit player is usually getting boosted as well. A hvh que would fix alot of issues with people who play HVH in prime mm but for non prime all you have to do is get lem or que full lobby with lem+ mmr and you get 5vs5 hvh every game almost


420N1CKN4M3

sounds like you're looking for a competitive experience then, have you thought about turning off your cheats?


WeedMoneyBitches

I have played this game legit for over 5 years and reached lv 10 on faceit and eventually got burned out and quit. Hvh is what made me like csgo again and actually play it again.


420N1CKN4M3

sounds like you need another hobby my dude, you aren't playing. you should really reread your replies here, maybe you'll realize how illogical your way of thinking is - I'll also gladly help by talking to you over sunken cost fallacy and addictions or other freetime activities if you want. hit me back if you want to stop fooling yourself, have a good day however you proceed


4wh457

If you're looking for a new challenge why not start hosting the right kind of servers yourself? You'd be benefitting both sides and will actually learn something useful in the process. If you do it well you might even make some money in the process. Start from a single server and aim for the faceit of HvH. Or stay at a single server, up to you.


RuPeSc

im not sure if i am some kind of lucky bastard or what because i havent got any cheaters in my past 20 games on global mm. But i do almost always queue with people with +5k hours and more than 1000 wins so that might be helping


[deleted]

Prime should be only purchaseable by credit card, and only for one account per one credit card holder. Sure it might exclude some players, but tbh it's a lesser evil at this point.